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Post by Iakus on Oct 11, 2016 21:17:28 GMT
- Speculation. Not actual proof. And furthermore does not explain why we cannot get after both factions. Why not? Solas slept through all the Blights. He has no idea how dangerous Corypheus really was. As far as he's concerned, let him blow himself up!
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Post by Cantina on Oct 11, 2016 21:45:04 GMT
- Speculation. Not actual proof. And furthermore does not explain why we cannot get after both factions. Why not? Solas slept through all the Blights. He has no idea how dangerous Corypheus really was. As far as he's concerned, let him blow himself up! Yet he is aware of The Grey Wardens and what their purpose is.
Honestly it does not take a genius to figure out Darkspawn are not cute little nugs who just want a hug.
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Post by Iakus on Oct 11, 2016 21:52:34 GMT
Why not? Solas slept through all the Blights. He has no idea how dangerous Corypheus really was. As far as he's concerned, let him blow himself up! Yet he is aware of The Grey Wardens and what their purpose is.
Honestly it does not take a genius to figure out Darkspawn are not cute little nugs who just want a hug. Of course not. But who could have anticipated he could survive an Earth Shattering KABOOM!? Heck, the Grey Wardens wouldn't have anticipated that!
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Post by thats1evildude on Oct 11, 2016 22:49:22 GMT
Solas DIDN'T "trust" Corypheus with the orb. The whole idea was for Corypheus to die unlocking it.
It was, in theory, a sound plan. Not only could Corypheus unlock the orb, but he also posed a real threat to Solas' plans; if he managed to enter the Fade and reach the Black City, he would either achieve godhood or unleash greater catastrophe upon Thedas. Either way, Solas likely wouldn't be tearing down the Veil and restoring ancient Thedas. So giving him the orb killed two birds with one stone: it eliminated Corypheus AND got Solas' orb unlocked.
What Solas didn't know — what no one currently living in Thedas knew — was that the Elder One was essentially immortal.
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Post by Cantina on Oct 11, 2016 23:38:23 GMT
Solas DIDN'T "trust" Corypheus with the orb. The whole idea was for Corypheus to die unlocking it. It was, in theory, a sound plan. Not only could Corypheus unlock the orb, but he also posed a real threat to Solas' plans; if he managed to enter the Fade and reach the Black City, he would either achieve godhood or unleash greater catastrophe upon Thedas. Either way, Solas likely wouldn't be tearing down the Veil and restoring ancient Thedas. So giving him the orb killed two birds with one stone: it eliminated Corypheus AND got Solas' orb unlocked. What Solas didn't know — what no one currently living in Thedas knew — was that the Elder One was essentially immortal. But there likes my point and the problem. Why give your orb to some creature you know nothing about.
Yes the plan sounded good on paper but Solas seems to be a smart lad, He appears the type to dotted his Is and crossed his Ts.
Its like his words: "Like a fair maiden chasing a butterfly off a cliff" could have been applied to him as well.
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Post by thats1evildude on Oct 11, 2016 23:46:48 GMT
Again, if Corypheus beat Solas into the Fade, Solas would lose. So he was eliminating the competition AND getting his orb unlocked.
You can keep insisting that Solas should have known better or you can accept that Solas made a mistake.
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Post by Gold Dragon on Oct 12, 2016 0:18:45 GMT
Did Solas actually know that Mythal (as Flemeth) was still alive?
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Post by oyabun on Oct 12, 2016 0:36:53 GMT
If Cory wanted the anchor all along why he did not corrupted the Inq when he grabbed them in your heart shall burn so that he could have body jumped in their body?
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Post by xerrai on Oct 12, 2016 1:43:03 GMT
If Cory wanted the anchor all along why he did not corrupted the Inq when he grabbed them in your heart shall burn so that he could have body jumped in their body? I thought the same thing once. But that was before I wondered if Cory actually has any control on who he would body jump to. We know he can jump from blighted person to blighted person, but other than that we know nothing of the details. If he operates under the same rule as archedemons, he would jump to the nearest blighted creature, but its possible he operates under different rules. So in general I just think it has a high possibility of being a story oversight, but I won't deny that it may have some logic in it. (Of interesting note though is the case of Anders who is possessed and infected with the taint. Apparently with his condition, being merged with a spirit can affect the level of corruption. On possibility being that it will drastically reduce the rate of corruption, or it will continue till the point that it corrupts the spirit. And while a spirit and the mark are not the same things, they are similar. So perhaps the mark may contribute to how the Inquisitor cannot be corrupted easily?)
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Post by thats1evildude on Oct 12, 2016 1:49:51 GMT
Did Solas actually know that Mythal (as Flemeth) was still alive? He did not.
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Post by thats1evildude on Oct 12, 2016 1:53:17 GMT
If Cory wanted the anchor all along why he did not corrupted the Inq when he grabbed them in your heart shall burn so that he could have body jumped in their body? 1) The corruption doesn't work like that. A darkspawn can't just will someone into becoming a ghoul. 2) It's not clear if Corypheus can jump to any corrupted body or if he specifically needs Wardens. 3) Even if he could jump into a non-Warden, doing so may have destroyed the Anchor.
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Post by Cantina on Oct 12, 2016 4:55:53 GMT
Again, if Corypheus beat Solas into the Fade, Solas would lose. So he was eliminating the competition AND getting his orb unlocked. You can keep insisting that Solas should have known better or you can accept that Solas made a mistake. No.
Coloring outside the lines is a mistake. Giving an orb to an Ancient Darkspawn Magister is a fuck up.
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Post by Gold Dragon on Oct 12, 2016 6:57:35 GMT
Did Solas actually know that Mythal (as Flemeth) was still alive? He did not. Which means that Solas taking Flemeth/Mythal's power/strength was a backup plan that was formulated after the inquisitor's trip to the Temple of Mythal.
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Post by Ieldra on Oct 12, 2016 7:12:03 GMT
Again, if Corypheus beat Solas into the Fade, Solas would lose. So he was eliminating the competition AND getting his orb unlocked. You can keep insisting that Solas should have known better or you can accept that Solas made a mistake. No.
Coloring outside the lines is a mistake. Giving an orb to an Ancient Darkspawn Magister is a fuck up. No. It was a Batman Gambit that failed for no reason he could foresee. Solas could rightly expect Corypheus to act in character and recklessly try to unlock the orb's secrets. Which in fact, he did, and which in fact, resulted in an explosion, which in fact, killed everyone in its close range including Corypheus. He could hardly expect Corypheus to come back from the dead by using an Archdemon's body-jumping ability.
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Post by thats1evildude on Oct 12, 2016 7:43:52 GMT
Which means that Solas taking Flemeth/Mythal's power/strength was a backup plan that was formulated after the inquisitor's trip to the Temple of Mythal. Yup. Solas never gave up on recovering the orb until it was destroyed.
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Post by thats1evildude on Oct 12, 2016 7:54:29 GMT
Again, if Corypheus beat Solas into the Fade, Solas would lose. So he was eliminating the competition AND getting his orb unlocked. You can keep insisting that Solas should have known better or you can accept that Solas made a mistake. No.
Coloring outside the lines is a mistake. Giving an orb to an Ancient Darkspawn Magister is a fuck up. I'm not disputing that fact. Solas made a huge error. Ironically, by not dying when he was supposed to, Corypheus unwittingly saved modern Thedas from Solas.
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Oct 12, 2016 9:28:28 GMT
And you think you're going to win against a mountain sized spider? There isn't enough Raid for that on the planet. The point I was trying to make was that the end-boss of the encounter, which at least in my case usually burns the last of my potions, was a mere Aspect of that thing you think you can kill. The thing you did kill has nowhere near the power of the mountain-sized main creature. Unless you managed to completely break the game to the point where that boss died in one round I'm not even sure why you think you have a snowball's chance in hell, and even if you did there's still gameplay and story segregation to consider. Dear sweet Maker! What are your characters wearing? Charmin? I have yet to use a single pot in that fight. This ain't God of War. If you watch the cutscene closely, you'll notice that Stroud/Loghain/Hawke/Alistair goes down in about 10 seconds. The only ridiculous part about that cutscene is Mage Hawke attacking Nightmare with their staff. Now THAT is senseless. Wait! Its not? Well son of a biscuit! I thought it was! I've watched that cut scene numerous times and not once did I ever see the person drop in 10 seconds. Of course it could be glitched on my end or yours.
Well Dorian attacks two shades with his staff too. Then add in the fact your character cannot beat someone senseless with their staff.
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I remember watching whoever was left behind collapse when I played on the PS3. The Youtube videos I've found of that scene don't visibly show it, though. I remember seeing a cloud of dust kicked up by Nightmare on the Youtube videos where I remembered clearly seeing Loghain/Hawke collapse in my game. I get that you disagree that the Nightmare is credibly unbeatable, but I don't think you've explained why you disagree. Even if you were wearing stuff that put my... mostly adequate... gear to shame, which of its ankles has a vital organ you could mangle with it?
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Post by Cantina on Oct 12, 2016 10:17:42 GMT
No.
Coloring outside the lines is a mistake. Giving an orb to an Ancient Darkspawn Magister is a fuck up. No. It was a Batman Gambit that failed for no reason he could foresee. Solas could rightly expect Corypheus to act in character and recklessly try to unlock the orb's secrets. Which in fact, he did, and which in fact, resulted in an explosion, which in fact, killed everyone in its close range including Corypheus. He could hardly expect Corypheus to come back from the dead by using an Archdemon's body-jumping ability. OMG! Batman can throw kinetic cards now?!?! Saweet!
Dear sweet Maker! What are your characters wearing? Charmin? I have yet to use a single pot in that fight. Wait! Its not? Well son of a biscuit! I thought it was! I've watched that cut scene numerous times and not once did I ever see the person drop in 10 seconds. Of course it could be glitched on my end or yours.
Well Dorian attacks two shades with his staff too. Then add in the fact your character cannot beat someone senseless with their staff.
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And I get it about the Fear Spider. No need to drill it in my head like a railway spike. I still however disagree. But that could be because I really like fighting huge monsters. Better then fighting freaking hyenas or bears all the sodding time.
I remember watching whoever was left behind collapse when I played on the PS3. The Youtube videos I've found of that scene don't visibly show it, though. I remember seeing a cloud of dust kicked up by Nightmare on the Youtube videos where I remembered clearly seeing Loghain/Hawke collapse in my game. I get that you disagree that the Nightmare is credibly unbeatable, but I don't think you've explained why you disagree. Even if you were wearing stuff that put my... mostly adequate... gear to shame, which of its ankles has a vital organ you could mangle with it? Because I don't believe in something that cannot be killed. I saw Stroud hacking away at the spider causing some nasty damage.
And....what in Andraste's name was that last sentence?
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Oct 12, 2016 10:41:36 GMT
No. It was a Batman Gambit that failed for no reason he could foresee. Solas could rightly expect Corypheus to act in character and recklessly try to unlock the orb's secrets. Which in fact, he did, and which in fact, resulted in an explosion, which in fact, killed everyone in its close range including Corypheus. He could hardly expect Corypheus to come back from the dead by using an Archdemon's body-jumping ability. OMG! Batman can throw kinetic cards now?!?! Saweet!
I remember watching whoever was left behind collapse when I played on the PS3. The Youtube videos I've found of that scene don't visibly show it, though. I remember seeing a cloud of dust kicked up by Nightmare on the Youtube videos where I remembered clearly seeing Loghain/Hawke collapse in my game. I get that you disagree that the Nightmare is credibly unbeatable, but I don't think you've explained why you disagree. Even if you were wearing stuff that put my... mostly adequate... gear to shame, which of its ankles has a vital organ you could mangle with it? Because I don't believe in something that cannot be killed. I saw Stroud hacking away at the spider causing some nasty damage.
And....what in Andraste's name was that last sentence?In retrospect, that last sentence was not as well phrased as I'd thought. Let's try again. Even if you gear was as good as you say, what good does that do? What can you reach with those swords or daggers, or hope to be able to hit with an arrow from that bow or a blast from that staff, that Nightmare needs to survive? And even if your armor protects you practically perfectly against a being like the Aspect, what good would it do against being swatted by a being with enough muscle to move a mountain-sized body? The injuries Stroud was causing to its ankles looked nasty, but in relation to the being's mountain-sized body those cuts were insignificant. It lost a lot of blood, but given how much a body that large must have it probably cared less for that blood than a human would care for the blood they lose to a mosquito. I'm not saying it's unkillable. But I can't think how I'd do it with Thedas's technology, and there's no way anything the Inquisitor has on them would do it.
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Post by Ieldra on Oct 12, 2016 11:14:19 GMT
No. It was a Batman Gambit that failed for no reason he could foresee. Solas could rightly expect Corypheus to act in character and recklessly try to unlock the orb's secrets. Which in fact, he did, and which in fact, resulted in an explosion, which in fact, killed everyone in its close range including Corypheus. He could hardly expect Corypheus to come back from the dead by using an Archdemon's body-jumping ability. OMG! Batman can throw kinetic cards now?!?! Saweet! Uh....sorry, not getting the reference. BTW, it should be "Vive La Revolution"
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Post by Cantina on Oct 12, 2016 11:18:37 GMT
OMG! Batman can throw kinetic cards now?!?! Saweet! Uh....sorry, not getting the reference. BTW, it should be "Vive La Revolution" Oh! Well, shit. Comic Book joke.
And the miss spell was on purpose. You know with Ander's Manifesto -Hawke made a comment of the spelling errors. Bah! <shakes head> NM. LOL! The point is: it was intentional.
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Post by Ieldra on Oct 12, 2016 11:24:57 GMT
You know with Ander's Manifesto -Hawke made a comment of the spelling errors. He did? Have I forgotten so much about DA2 that I don't recall that? When does this happen?
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Post by thats1evildude on Oct 12, 2016 14:27:54 GMT
A Batman Gambit is a reference from TV Tropes. Basically, it's a complicated plan that relies on other people acting in a certain way. tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BatmanGambitSolas' plan relied on Corypheus unlocking the orb and then dying in the resulting explosion. It worked perfectly until Corypheus returned to life, taking the orb with him and leaving Solas with a huge tear in the Veil to deal with.
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Post by Iakus on Oct 12, 2016 14:52:14 GMT
Solas DIDN'T "trust" Corypheus with the orb. The whole idea was for Corypheus to die unlocking it. It was, in theory, a sound plan. Not only could Corypheus unlock the orb, but he also posed a real threat to Solas' plans; if he managed to enter the Fade and reach the Black City, he would either achieve godhood or unleash greater catastrophe upon Thedas. Either way, Solas likely wouldn't be tearing down the Veil and restoring ancient Thedas. So giving him the orb killed two birds with one stone: it eliminated Corypheus AND got Solas' orb unlocked. What Solas didn't know — what no one currently living in Thedas knew — was that the Elder One was essentially immortal. But there likes my point and the problem. Why give your orb to some creature you know nothing about.
Yes the plan sounded good on paper but Solas seems to be a smart lad, He appears the type to dotted his Is and crossed his Ts.
Its like his words: "Like a fair maiden chasing a butterfly off a cliff" could have been applied to him as well.
Solas is smart. He's also very arrogant (heck his name even means "pride") He thought he had every angle covered and he was wrong. Corypheus turned out to have Body Surfing abilities like an archdemon. Actually, more than an archdemon, even they can't possess a Grey Warden.
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Post by oyabun on Oct 12, 2016 15:40:18 GMT
If Cory wanted the anchor all along why he did not corrupted the Inq when he grabbed them in your heart shall burn so that he could have body jumped in their body? I thought the same thing once. But that was before I wondered if Cory actually has any control on who he would body jump to. We know he can jump from blighted person to blighted person, but other than that we know nothing of the details. If he operates under the same rule as archedemons, he would jump to the nearest blighted creature, but its possible he operates under different rules. So in general I just think it has a high possibility of being a story oversight, but I won't deny that it may have some logic in it. (Of interesting note though is the case of Anders who is possessed and infected with the taint. Apparently with his condition, being merged with a spirit can affect the level of corruption. On possibility being that it will drastically reduce the rate of corruption, or it will continue till the point that it corrupts the spirit. And while a spirit and the mark are not the same things, they are similar. So perhaps the mark may contribute to how the Inquisitor cannot be corrupted easily?) His ability work on distance the body that is more close to him is the one who receive his soul,that's why he got Janeka and Larius rather than some other blighted beings in the prison. He is aware of this,that's why he called the false archdemon at the temple after that he was killed not before,to not risk to kill his own dragon with his own hands.
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