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Post by thats1evildude on Oct 18, 2016 21:32:54 GMT
They do not come from Mythal alone. Again, the Inquisitor can hear the whispers even after Mythal's death.
Look at it this way: if Flemeth alone controlled the whispers of the Well, then what would be the point of her saying "What do the voices tell you" when you doubt her claims of being Mythal?
That'd be like me saying "I'm the President of the World" and handing you a poorly-made pamphlet stating "thats1evildude is President of the World" to prove my point.
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Post by oyabun on Oct 18, 2016 21:41:12 GMT
They do not come from Mythal alone. Again, the Inquisitor can hear the whispers even after Mythal's death. Look at it this way: if Flemeth alone controlled the whispers of the Well, then what would be the point of her saying "What do the voices tell you" when you doubt her claims of being Mythal? That'd be like me saying "I'm the President of the World" and handing you a poorly-made pamphlet stating "thats1evildude is President of the World" to prove my point. Mythal isn't dead. Mythal and Flemeth are not the same being they are just linked until Solas decided to kill Flemeth so Flemeth saying those words is not Mythal directly speaking with you. The well of sorrow as Solas implied is tied to Mythal,if Mythal die the well doesn't exist anymore. The only informations that can be stolen are those that Mythal decided to share and she shared nothing with Samson and Calpernia.
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Post by WardenKelda on Oct 18, 2016 21:45:22 GMT
King Alistair: Haven is in the Frostbacks and they sit on the border between Ferelden and Orlais. As you yourself noted, Marquis Durellion - an Orlesian - owns the land. That really bugged me. Like, really bugged me.
Nobody knew Haven even existed until ten years ago when the Warden showed up and (in my case at least) slaughtered a metric fuckton of people and a dragon to get to the Temple and the Ashes.
And now they're talking about ancient treaties. DuRellion's exact quote is "My wife, Lady Machen of Denerim, has claim to Haven by ancient treaty with the monarchs of Ferelden."
Yeah, ancient. That's why nobody went there and noticed a. giant fucking dragon, b. giant fucking temple or c. giant lyrium vein/sacred relic of Jesus Andraste. I mean it's not like anyone would have any investment in finding another passage through the Frostbacks, say.
And even then, the fact they're owned by a Ferelden and only might move into the possession of Orlais through the consent of the Ferelden monarchs means they're Ferelden.
Which leads me to the other thing that bugged me and is at least 30% of the reason I don't do Champions of the Just.
When you start In Hushed Whispers, the reason you can't take an army to storm Redcliffe castle is "An Orlesian Inquisition’s army marching into Ferelden would provoke a war.” Now the 'Orlesian-ness' of the Inquisition is debatable. True, the Inquisition was created by the Orlesian Divine but she's dead. Leading it you have Cullen (Ferelden), Leliana (both Orlesian and Ferelden, but well known to Alistair), Cassandra (Nevarran) and the Inquisitor (Free Marcher nobility/Free Marcher Dwarf/Qunari or Free Marcher Dalish).
But it's a-OK to march a posse of proper Orlesian nobles (plus their retinues, staff etc) into the heart of Ferelden? That's not going to bother anyone? We don't know how old Lord Abernache is but it's possible he's old enough to remember the end of the occupation and even if he isn't, chances are good he's the son of someone who occupied Ferelden. You think that's not going to bother the Banns.
While we're at it. The Storm Coast. If the Inquisition's that Orlesian how come they get to pretty much take over the Bannorn belonging to the grandfather/uncle/aunt/cousin of the Teyrn of Highever. (No seriously. The Storm Coast is in Ferelden and its last referenced Bann was Fearchar Mac Eanraig 'The Storm Giant', father of Eleanor Cousland and unnamed siblings)
As for the Nightmare. You fight it pretty much the same way you fight every other monster that's fifty times bigger than you (*cough* Archdemon *cough* High dragon *cough*). Climb and stab or knock over and stab. Mostly, just stab.
Mind you, I'm not entirely sure how big it is because I just have cutscenes with a giant empty space thanks to my no-spider mod.
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Post by thats1evildude on Oct 18, 2016 21:52:04 GMT
She was always dead. What exists inside Flemeth is just a fragment of Mythal. Solas just finished the job the Evanuris started.
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Post by thats1evildude on Oct 18, 2016 21:55:45 GMT
And now they're talking about ancient treaties. DuRellion's exact quote is "My wife, Lady Machen of Denerim, has claim to Haven by ancient treaty with the monarchs of Ferelden."
Yeah, ancient. That's why nobody went there and noticed a. giant fucking dragon, b. giant fucking temple or c. giant lyrium vein/sacred relic of Jesus Andraste. I mean it's not like anyone would have any investment in finding another passage through the Frostbacks. Haven likely always belonged to Lady Machen, but nobody cared about the land in the Frostbacks until the Temple of Sacred Ashes is discovered. Well, Ferelden's borders are not closed. Orlesian merchants and nobles do come into the country quite frequently.
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Post by WardenKelda on Oct 18, 2016 22:28:13 GMT
Haven likely always belonged to Lady Machen, but nobody cared about the land in the Frostbacks until the Temple of Sacred Ashes is discovered. You'd think they might investigate it. Besides which, it's owned by a Ferelden and it's still in Ferelden which makes Haven Ferelden territory. Well, Ferelden's borders are not closed. Orlesian merchants and nobles do come into the country quite frequently. But if it's not okay to take a force of miscellaneous nationality down to Redcliffe to take a castle back from somebody else because that would start a war why is it okay to march Orlesian nobles to a castle in the middle of Ferelden (which looks reasonably defensible) and recruit a private army.
And while small groups of Orlesian nobility or merchants might come in and out of Ferelden occasionally, this is a supposedly Orlesian Inquisition leading Orlesian nobles to hook up with the Lord Seeker (who may or may not be Orlesian, I'm not sure) who essentially has his own army. That does look pretty bad.
Let me guess, picture includes giant spider-Nightmare.
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Post by thats1evildude on Oct 18, 2016 22:34:48 GMT
The nobles are there on a diplomatic mission. Those are allowed.
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Oct 19, 2016 7:24:30 GMT
It would be incoherent if there was any actual proof that the voices literally could not go against Mythal's will even under the influence of Corypheus's binding spell. As it is, there's room to think that either the spell can grant knowledge without Mythal's permission (even if only because Mythal isn't there to say the voices nay,) or that Corypheus's control spell or his power over Red Lyrium could override that requirement. And why do you assume the non-canon timeline follows different rules than the real timeline? You don't have any proof to claim the contrary other than a non canon timeline epilogue while Flemeth was clear about the words she spoke about the control she has over the voices of the well.The non-canon timelines have no meaning(Darkspawns chronicles,death of protagonists before the end game ecc..). Corypheus binding spell can't torture people who are no longer Alive just as the Inquisitor proves the voices are not always there,they speak because they come from Mythal just as the well of sorrow who endure because Mythal exist. The voices cannot go against Mythal will,the well of sorrow is a bound to her of people who no longer exist. Again: what does it matter that the timeline isn't what canonically happens? How is that sufficient proof that it operates under different rules than the actual game? And my understanding is that the binding doesn't torture you to make you talk, but rather tortures you as a side effect of making you talk. Even if the voices can't feel pain, that doesn't necessarily render them immune to the compulsion. Nor can we be sure that Corypheus's compulsion can't override Mythal's. I'd guess Mythal's binding was stronger barring evidence to the contrary, but there is evidence to the contrary. She was always dead. What exists inside Flemeth is just a fragment of Mythal. Solas just finished the job the Evanuris started. She is, of course, dead. For the most part. But as for Solas finishing her off, she has two possible outs. The first is that Solas might have her inside of him now. The second is that the energy we see Flemeth putting into the Eluvian before Solas kills her might contain Mythal.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 19, 2016 9:19:21 GMT
I always found the idea that we were taking Orlesian nobility into Ferelden to plead with Lord Seeker Lucius faintly ridiculous. At the very least it should have been a combined party of both Ferelden and Orlesian nobility. Actually getting those two parties to co-operate would have been quite an impressive feat, probably enough to convince the Lord Seeker to heed their call, but on the face of it we had a huge group of Orlesians in a country that was not their own. Mind you, I thought the nobility of Ferelden kept their status because of the idea that the Freeholders offered their allegiance in return for being protected against dangers that threatened them. The noble of Ferelden were conspicuous by their absence in this respect. It would seem that much of the commoner population of the Hinterlands would have perished but for the intervention of the Inquisition. Which is why I was particularly angry with Teagan in Trespasser for suggesting our prolonged presence in Ferelden was unwelcome. By him may be, since he had abandoned his responsibilities and fled to Denerim when things got tough, but I'm sure a vote by the Freeholders would have been in favour of the Inquisition remaining in occupation of Caer Bronach and safeguarding the surrounding area. They had better hope nothing serious arises in the future in Ferelden because it would seem the people will likely be left to fend for themselves again.
As for the assertion that Mythal is dead, you seem to forget the whole splitting the soul between different vessels thing that Flemeth pulled off before in DA2, likely through the knowledge supplied by Mythal. There was some vestige of Mythal still in the Well of Sorrows; that rose up and confronted Corypheus. This could be the same as the essence that Flemeth sent through the eluvian prior to her confrontation with Solas, or another piece of her, but she definitely sent something. Part of Mythal may also be living now in Solas, hence him seeming considerably powered up in Trespasser from what he was in DAI. Morrigan said the Grimmoire stated that it was easier for the soul to bed in if the target was similar to the previous host. Solas is much closer to the nature of what Mythal was in physical form than Flemeth was, so it would be easy to make the jump, if we assume that Solas wanted it to happen.
Essentially I think they wanted to kill off Flemeth, so we won't be meeting Mythal in that guise again, but the ancient being called Mythal is not so easily killed. Flemeth once said "Bodies are such limiting things", when Hawke asked how she could be in two places at once. So I'm anticipating that spiritually Mythal is alive and well.
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Post by Iakus on Oct 19, 2016 14:36:35 GMT
I always found the idea that we were taking Orlesian nobility into Ferelden to plead with Lord Seeker Lucius faintly ridiculous. At the very least it should have been a combined party of both Ferelden and Orlesian nobility. Actually getting those two parties to co-operate would have been quite an impressive feat, probably enough to convince the Lord Seeker to heed their call, but on the face of it we had a huge group of Orlesians in a country that was not their own. Mind you, I thought the nobility of Ferelden kept their status because of the idea that the Freeholders offered their allegiance in return for being protected against dangers that threatened them. The noble of Ferelden were conspicuous by their absence in this respect. It would seem that much of the commoner population of the Hinterlands would have perished but for the intervention of the Inquisition. Which is why I was particularly angry with Teagan in Trespasser for suggesting our prolonged presence in Ferelden was unwelcome. By him may be, since he had abandoned his responsibilities and fled to Denerim when things got tough, but I'm sure a vote by the Freeholders would have been in favour of the Inquisition remaining in occupation of Caer Bronach and safeguarding the surrounding area. They had better hope nothing serious arises in the future in Ferelden because it would seem the people will likely be left to fend for themselves again.
Personally, I headcanon that there were both Ferelden and Orlesian Houses in Josephine and Leliana's little coalition (between the two of them, they are just that awesome)
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Post by WardenKelda on Oct 20, 2016 22:53:18 GMT
I just figured that Lord Seeker Lucius was Orlesian enough that even an Envy demon pretending to be him wasn't able to pretend that he held Ferelden nobility in any regard.
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Post by Prince on Oct 22, 2016 3:29:48 GMT
I always found the idea that we were taking Orlesian nobility into Ferelden to plead with Lord Seeker Lucius faintly ridiculous. At the very least it should have been a combined party of both Ferelden and Orlesian nobility. Actually getting those two parties to co-operate would have been quite an impressive feat, probably enough to convince the Lord Seeker to heed their call, but on the face of it we had a huge group of Orlesians in a country that was not their own. Mind you, I thought the nobility of Ferelden kept their status because of the idea that the Freeholders offered their allegiance in return for being protected against dangers that threatened them. The noble of Ferelden were conspicuous by their absence in this respect. It would seem that much of the commoner population of the Hinterlands would have perished but for the intervention of the Inquisition. Which is why I was particularly angry with Teagan in Trespasser for suggesting our prolonged presence in Ferelden was unwelcome. By him may be, since he had abandoned his responsibilities and fled to Denerim when things got tough, but I'm sure a vote by the Freeholders would have been in favour of the Inquisition remaining in occupation of Caer Bronach and safeguarding the surrounding area. They had better hope nothing serious arises in the future in Ferelden because it would seem the people will likely be left to fend for themselves again.
As for the assertion that Mythal is dead, you seem to forget the whole splitting the soul between different vessels thing that Flemeth pulled off before in DA2, likely through the knowledge supplied by Mythal. There was some vestige of Mythal still in the Well of Sorrows; that rose up and confronted Corypheus. This could be the same as the essence that Flemeth sent through the eluvian prior to her confrontation with Solas, or another piece of her, but she definitely sent something. Part of Mythal may also be living now in Solas, hence him seeming considerably powered up in Trespasser from what he was in DAI. Morrigan said the Grimmoire stated that it was easier for the soul to bed in if the target was similar to the previous host. Solas is much closer to the nature of what Mythal was in physical form than Flemeth was, so it would be easy to make the jump, if we assume that Solas wanted it to happen.
Essentially I think they wanted to kill off Flemeth, so we won't be meeting Mythal in that guise again, but the ancient being called Mythal is not so easily killed. Flemeth once said "Bodies are such limiting things", when Hawke asked how she could be in two places at once. So I'm anticipating that spiritually Mythal is alive and well. Alive yes,well no. The Evanuris destroyed a great portion of her spirit,maybe they decided to spare that fragment of soul so that she could suffer the torment for the eternity.I cannot honestly see 7 gods fail so miserably at murdering someone,i think it was their choice to let a fragment of her live.
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Post by oyabun on Oct 22, 2016 5:42:51 GMT
As for the assertion that Mythal is dead, you seem to forget the whole splitting the soul between different vessels thing that Flemeth pulled off before in DA2, likely through the knowledge supplied by Mythal. There was some vestige of Mythal still in the Well of Sorrows; that rose up and confronted Corypheus. This could be the same as the essence that Flemeth sent through the eluvian prior to her confrontation with Solas, or another piece of her, but she definitely sent something. Part of Mythal may also be living now in Solas, hence him seeming considerably powered up in Trespasser from what he was in DAI. Morrigan said the Grimmoire stated that it was easier for the soul to bed in if the target was similar to the previous host. Solas is much closer to the nature of what Mythal was in physical form than Flemeth was, so it would be easy to make the jump, if we assume that Solas wanted it to happen.
Essentially I think they wanted to kill off Flemeth, so we won't be meeting Mythal in that guise again, but the ancient being called Mythal is not so easily killed. Flemeth once said "Bodies are such limiting things", when Hawke asked how she could be in two places at once. So I'm anticipating that spiritually Mythal is alive and well. We have no proof to say that the water-woman in the fountain of sorrow was a piece of Mythal because it may had be the ghost of a female ancient elf priestess of Mythal or a spell in the well of sorrow. These souls of supposed gods are designed to glow in blue color and that water-ghost wasn't blue. If the Evanuris damaged Mythal to the point where only a fragment of her exist i can't imagine that she is able to split her soul in too many pieces. Keep in mind that in DAO Flemeth decided to put Mythal'soul into an amulet but decided to keep her magical powers in her body, if she wasn't killed in DAO in DA2 she simply teleport(like in DAI in the altar)after Merrill call her in the altar,Flemeth does not have multiple bodies and minds at the same time. The final scene with Solas is ambiguos because is probably meant to fit different scenarios: 1)For the 3 endings of DAO that involve the destruction of the old god essence: Solas took Flemeth's magical powers while Mythal soul was sent into the Giant eluvian,since Solas took her powers unlike to what happened in DA2 Mythal soul will not receive her powers back. 2)If Urthemiel was not killed Flemeth will absorb it(powers and soul)Solas may have absorbed Urthemiel powers instead of Mythal powers as a result of it Mythal will not lose her powers and maybe Solas in DA4 would be more powerful. Or Flemeth did something with that soul,i assume revive the body of the original old god Urthemiel from it's essence(because she had it's complete soul) like she did to herself in DA2 where she build off-screen so that Urthemiel will not need any fake body like Kieran before she meet Solas.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 22, 2016 9:51:30 GMT
I disagree about the colour of the water spirit. I have a still shot that clearly has a blue outline. After confronting Corypheus, giving your party the time to escape, it clearly disappears through the eluvian. Where else would it go but to rendezvous with Flemeth/Mythal? Mythal was originally born of the sea, so she has a close connection with water. Hence her priests passing on their knowledge through a Well and the water spirit rising up to protect your party (protection being another aspect of Mythal). Solas even seemed to sense the presence of Mythal in that inner sanctum because on entering it, he says "So Mythal lives", so clearly something about it suggested that Mythal was not dead and gone.
Actually I have realised there is another problem with the whole Well of Sorrows business and that is the assertion that the priests of Mythal used it to pass their wisdom on before death. Back before the Veil, everyone was meant to be ageless. True the elders would enter Uthenera when they grew tired of life but the Dalish believe they could still contact their followers through the Fade, which would make sense really. Still, I really don't see the point of the Well when no one ever really died. So did they set up the Well after Mythal's death, anticipating they might be killed by their enemies, but before the raising of the Veil? After the Veil, the priesthood simply entered Uthenera to survive to the present. That is what Abelas did. If they truly thought Mythal was dead, then for what purpose did then enter uthenera? Clearly they were bound by her will, as Abelas declares, and so expected her to return at some point, yet then he just ups and leaves with his surviving sentinels.
Also what was the purpose of storing the knowledge; for whom were the holding it? It does seem a bit crazy that they would have spent millennia guarding this treasure of knowledge and then Abelas would simply destroy it out of hand, but it made even less sense that he would suddenly change his mind and give you free access because you danced on a bunch of pretty tiles. If he truly believed that the drinker would be bound to the will of Mythal, then that would explain why he did not fear the knowledge being misused against his people but if that was the case, then why destroy it if he felt you weren't worthy? Whatever purpose they had to guard the Well for so long was surely important enough not to throw it away that easily?
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Post by oyabun on Oct 22, 2016 20:13:26 GMT
Abelas could have used the well for himself to prevent others from gaining it(assuming he isn't already imbued with it)
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on Oct 23, 2016 20:31:12 GMT
My impression is that this Mythal is slowly restoring her magical powers by body jumping into new hosts for thousands of years. Now she just jumped into Solas so that she could gain more magical powers from his body,in fact SolMythal is a more powerful mage than Flemythal.
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Post by Cantina on Oct 24, 2016 21:17:17 GMT
My impression is that this Mythal is slowly restoring her magical powers by body jumping into new hosts for thousands of years. Now she just jumped into Solas so that she could gain more magical powers from his body,in fact SolMythal is a more powerful mage than Flemythal. Don't forget having Urthemiel too. Unless of course that was the power Flemeth released into her eluvian.
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on Oct 24, 2016 22:22:49 GMT
My impression is that this Mythal is slowly restoring her magical powers by body jumping into new hosts for thousands of years. Now she just jumped into Solas so that she could gain more magical powers from his body,in fact SolMythal is a more powerful mage than Flemythal. Don't forget having Urthemiel too. Unless of course that was the power Flemeth released into her eluvian. I think so,FLemeth release the same thing in the eluvian even if Urthemiel was destroyed so i think that the thing she sent in the mirror was not the old god soul,it is entirely possible that Solas was able to take it from her and it is more powerful in the DR world(merged with the old god) and less powerful in the other world-states(merged with the fragment of Mythal).
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Post by Cantina on Oct 24, 2016 22:38:25 GMT
Don't forget having Urthemiel too. Unless of course that was the power Flemeth released into her eluvian. I think so,FLemeth release the same thing in the eluvian even if Urthemiel was destroyed so i think that the thing she sent in the mirror was not the old god soul,it is entirely possible that Solas was able to take it from her and it is more powerful in the DR world(merged with the old god) and less powerful in the other world-states(merged with the fragment of Mythal). That is true. I had forgotten The Dark Ritual was an option.
Perhaps it was a fragment of herself. Flemeth seems to be one step ahead. Maybe she knew Solas was going to do something. Suppose we won't know for sure unless it is covered in DA4.
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Post by oyabun on Oct 24, 2016 22:48:29 GMT
I guess we shall see what Solas took from Flemeth in DAI because the issue with these two souls(Mythal and Urthemiel) is that they are not distinguishable from one another.For certain if Bioware is trying to make the old god soul disappear out of the blue to nullify choices it will feel like poor writing imho.
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Post by oyabun on Oct 24, 2016 22:53:30 GMT
I think so,FLemeth release the same thing in the eluvian even if Urthemiel was destroyed so i think that the thing she sent in the mirror was not the old god soul,it is entirely possible that Solas was able to take it from her and it is more powerful in the DR world(merged with the old god) and less powerful in the other world-states(merged with the fragment of Mythal). That is true. I had forgotten The Dark Ritual was an option.
Perhaps it was a fragment of herself. Flemeth seems to be one step ahead. Maybe she knew Solas was going to do something. Suppose we won't know for sure unless it is covered in DA4. Flemeth knew that Solas was coming for her i think that was clear enough,however i think that even if she was able to predict his arrival she wasn't able to remove the old god soul from her to prevent Solas from stealing it.Aftrerall she may control the soul of Mythal but she has no control whatsoever on the archdemon soul,in fact she had to use a ritual to take it from Kieran a ritual that required time. Flemeth may be clever but Solas isn't stupid either,i think Mythal wanted to abandon FLemeth for Solas.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 25, 2016 12:53:08 GMT
If Mythal knew that Solas would come for her and she didn't want the old god's power, just to neutralise it, then jumping from Flemeth to Solas and leaving the old god stuck in the petrified body would work rather well.
Clearly we know that Flemeth/Mythal wanted to stop the arch demon soul from jumping to the Warden but we only have Morrigan's word that it was in order to save it and even she may not be aware of the truth. Likewise the Wardens just think that making the arch demon soul jump to the Warden will destroy them both. How do they know it doesn't just kill the Warden and allow the demon soul to return to the Fade?
If you think about it, we have a clear instance of a "god" spirit being called into a mortal vessel with Hakkon. Normally when the mortal vessel is killed, this frees the spirit and allows it to return to the Fade until the next time it is needed. So what if the Blight magic is what prevents this from happening? The spirit is then caught in an endless cycle of jumping from one darkspawn to the next. However, using the Warden as a cleansing mechanism frees it from the cycle. Now if the spirit is in some way connected with the Evanuris and freeing the spirit back into the Fade went against Flemeth/Mythal's plan for revenge, that would account for why she wanted it captured on her behalf. Solas did seem beside himself that the Wardens might be going after the last two old gods and this seemed to have nothing to do with the actual morality of the act, the affect on spirits of summoning a demon army or anything to do with the actual participants but far more to do with the old gods themselves.
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Post by secretrare on Oct 27, 2016 23:33:22 GMT
If Mythal knew that Solas would come for her and she didn't want the old god's power, just to neutralise it, then jumping from Flemeth to Solas and leaving the old god stuck in the petrified body would work rather well. Clearly we know that Flemeth/Mythal wanted to stop the arch demon soul from jumping to the Warden but we only have Morrigan's word that it was in order to save it and even she may not be aware of the truth. Likewise the Wardens just think that making the arch demon soul jump to the Warden will destroy them both. How do they know it doesn't just kill the Warden and allow the demon soul to return to the Fade? If you think about it, we have a clear instance of a "god" spirit being called into a mortal vessel with Hakkon. Normally when the mortal vessel is killed, this frees the spirit and allows it to return to the Fade until the next time it is needed. So what if the Blight magic is what prevents this from happening? The spirit is then caught in an endless cycle of jumping from one darkspawn to the next. However, using the Warden as a cleansing mechanism frees it from the cycle. Now if the spirit is in some way connected with the Evanuris and freeing the spirit back into the Fade went against Flemeth/Mythal's plan for revenge, that would account for why she wanted it captured on her behalf. Solas did seem beside himself that the Wardens might be going after the last two old gods and this seemed to have nothing to do with the actual morality of the act, the affect on spirits of summoning a demon army or anything to do with the actual participants but far more to do with the old gods themselves. I don't think Solas left any magical energy inside the stone-body of Flemeth,he took everything that remained in it. That's what i believe: 1)Death in Dragon age does not have the same meaning of Death IRL. Only the body can be killed in Thedas while souls are never destroyed,they instead return in the fade.Then via metempsychosis they return in the world into unborn childs after have being consumed of their memories in the fade. 2)When the AD jump into an host with a will of it's own (GW,Discples,ecc..) their consciousness is erased and the same happen to the host,their souls go in the fade and since them both have lost their body and brain ,they lose their memories. 4)When someone die the soul will reach the fade to be consumed(same thing happened to Corypheys codex of WoT2)but consumed doesn't mean destroyed it means the loss of the identity ,the loss of memory.Justice implied in DAA that souls are not destroyed in the fade and he saw many souls there,they are however consumed and their memories devoured to create spirits. 5)Flemeth wanted the old god soul because it's probably just a piece of Mythal that's why the soul willingly abandoned the child to reach her. The Evanuris casted a magic on her and sepateted her soul into little pieces that they sent in different prisons inside different beings. If you listen to both Sandal and Kieran they said they had dreams of the old lady and they both can foresee to some degree the future Luke Flemeth,this mean that Mythal pieces are scattered into these people: Flemeth Sandal Urthemiel soul=Mythal soul Zinovia Eleni=piece of Mythal
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Post by colfoley on Oct 28, 2016 5:31:00 GMT
Don't know if this has been said or not but the bit about the orb is relatively easy. Essentially the orb could open a breach into the fade, causing a giant magical explosion, and the anchor could enter the breach by itself. Yet when the Inquisitor touched the Orb the power to open rifts AND traverse into the fade was transfered to them. The orb and Corypheus maintained the ability to open up rifts and especially the breach, but likely could not traverse into the fade without some other mechanism...hence the looking into Elven artifacts. By the end of the game Cory really didn't give a crap anymore/ was trying to do one more desperate gambit.
As far as sneaking into the Conclave is concerned. I suspect he either piggy backed on a Grey Warden and then transformed when he wanted to into Corypheus proper, or snuck a bunch of Wardens into the Conclave and then killed himself somewhere else so he could transfer in.
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