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Post by caladrius on Jan 6, 2019 18:00:20 GMT
It's sad Hepler left and more sad that she got a ton of abuse before she did. I would have loved to see more romances from her. Yeah, it's a shame. The romance written by her and whoever did Kaidan's were the only I really enjoyed so far, so it would have been nice to see more of her work... I agree, those were the two best written romances for m/m, imo. Jaal has that emotional openness, too, I think he's just too weird for some people. lol Either in appearance or personality. It feels like the romances where they wrote bi characters and didn't pull back on the m/m side too much are the best. I wish bioware would just write as they would for a straight woman and abandon preconceptions about gay men wanting "less" romance.
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Jan 6, 2019 18:15:16 GMT
my gay spells are even stronger in 2019 cant believe my summoning spell worked! WELCOME BACK gaycaravaggio !!!!!! need to catch up with the thread since opening gifts time is today in spain lol
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Post by Lady Artifice on Jan 6, 2019 19:09:05 GMT
So my absolute favorite romanceable character in Bioware history has always been Kaidan. I've always found his personality to be the most appealing. He's stable, thoughtful and reflective, and I like how things end up balancing between he and Shepard. He starts at a lower rank, eventually makes up and surpasses the difference, but the two still find a medium.
That said, while the character might be my favorite, his was not my favorite story arc. I felt like they fell kind of shy of where it could have been in a few key ways. For example, I'm in the camp of thinking that the virmire survivor should have come to the rescue in the arrival DLC, rather than have Shepard just superhuman themselves out of being captured. I also really felt like it was missing a cutscene after they came back onto the ship in ME3.
When it comes to my favorite role for a love interest to play, I think Josephine and Cullen take that. I often like it best the love interest has some kind of authority role, rather than being only a part of the party. I'm not talking ethics or anything here, just flavor. The power dynamic is a little less skewed toward the protagonist, and since the kind of protagonist I'd most want to play would be actually...the slightly more....passive, one in the couple.
I don't know if that's the word I want to use, but that's what I've got right now. I don't really mean that they wouldn't be an active agent in their own right, I mean that the romance option would be more active and assertive than love interests often are.
Anyway, that's also one of the reasons I liked Reyes so much. Not specifically the outside the law, shady aspects, but the idea that they have their own story going on, their own thing to run. It connects to the protagonist's concerns and duties, but aren't entirely the same ones.
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Jan 6, 2019 19:11:30 GMT
For me, it was Kaidan with MShep, which I explained a few pages earlier. A major character in the story; emotional and believable dialogue; they weren’t afraid to show genuine affection between two men (likely because it was dialogue written for FemShep, but, hey, I’ll take what I can get); and on a superficial level, he’s hot and his voice is sexy. Without counting ny modded Alistair experience (y.y) I would say Jaal as man and Isabela as woman, I think they are my absolute favs. Bull/ Kaidan being third and Anders/Fenris being in forth placeI would fucking DIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE for a male Isabela. Where is my gay sassy pirate? Do I love melting-a cold-heart narratives 😭 And Jaal is the closest to a BatB romance I ever get in a game or elsewhere really, but no curse, no sweet angst, but a lot of fluffiness to make it up for also SPACE CAT-SQUID-MAN FROM OUTER SPACE, my furry ass was delighted
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Post by mousestalker on Jan 6, 2019 20:09:07 GMT
What I would love to have a romanceable companion is an apostate Qunari. It would be really neat to have the perspective of someone who was raised in the Qun and yet turned their back upon it.
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Post by Catilina on Jan 6, 2019 20:11:32 GMT
What I would love to have a romanceable companion is an apostate Qunari. It would be really neat to have the perspective of someone who was raised in the Qun and yet turned their back upon it. You mean an unleashed Saarebas?
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Post by mousestalker on Jan 6, 2019 20:14:56 GMT
What I would love to have a romanceable companion is an apostate Qunari. It would be really neat to have the perspective of someone who was raised in the Qun and yet turned their back upon it. You mean an unleashed Saarebas? Wouldn't that be fun?
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Post by phoray on Jan 6, 2019 20:17:41 GMT
I really didn't like Jaal's romance. I struggled to finish it, and if Reyes had had an honorable duel instead of bringing a sniper, I would have dropped Jaal easily and gone for Reyes with no regrets. (sigh, still salty that he's such an honorless rogue. I love honorable rogues.)
And I like Fluffy romances, I liked Alistair and Cullen a lot. Jaal was a giant cringe fest. There is a line between sharing your feelings and talking about feelings that made it feel way too much like I was having a conversation with a Camp Counselor instead of a lover.
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Post by caladrius on Jan 6, 2019 20:32:10 GMT
What I would love to have a romanceable companion is an apostate Qunari. It would be really neat to have the perspective of someone who was raised in the Qun and yet turned their back upon it. I really want this too. Even if not a romance, we need a companion like this. We've never gotten a qunari character with a genuinely negative view of the qun and I really want to see it, especially if they had some authority and deeper understanding of the inner workings of qun society before leaving. Every other group we've gotten a pretty nuanced assortment of perspectives from, but the qunari perspective has been pretty one sided.
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Post by Lady Artifice on Jan 6, 2019 20:36:41 GMT
For female romances, I'm so evenly split between my wish for a more calculating, intense regal mage option and a valiant lady knight.
I imagine the mage as some kind of fusion between Morrigan and Vivienne. She'd be icy on the surface, with fiery passion once she opens up. That romance would have more spice to it, and sharper edges. Political intrigue, concerns about loyalty, secrets.
For the knight, self-sacrificing and utterly just, kind without being a pushover. Fiercely protective. Solidly professional in public and tender in private.
Sigh. The only problem would be trying to choose in game.
edit: Oh, I wouldn't just want two options though. Three or four of each gender is my preference.
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Post by caladrius on Jan 6, 2019 20:40:26 GMT
I really didn't like Jaal's romance. I struggled to finish it, and if Reyes had had an honorable duel instead of bringing a sniper, I would have dropped Jaal easily and gone for Reyes with no regrets. (sigh, still salty that he's such an honorless rogue. I love honorable rogues.) And I like Fluffy romances, I liked Alistair and Cullen a lot. Jaal was a giant cringe fest. There is a line between sharing your feelings and talking about feelings that made it feel way too much like I was having a conversation with a Camp Counselor instead of a lover. It doesn't bother me that Reyes tricked her during the duel. It actually kind of made me like him more. lol I'm more of a "play smart, not hard" kind of person and I don't care about what I see as misplaced honor. Did Reyes make that planet better? Did his methods overthrow a tyrant? If they did, then I don't care if he was honest in making it happen. I feel like Reyes was a better leader and the population, especially the native population, was better off with him. So, to me, there's nothing wrong with what he did. I know some people question if he was better, but I can't manage to feel sympathy for the previous leader, so it's easier for me to give him the benefit of the doubt.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2019 20:46:11 GMT
Yeah, it's a shame. The romance written by her and whoever did Kaidan's were the only I really enjoyed so far, so it would have been nice to see more of her work... I agree, those were the two best written romances for m/m, imo. Jaal has that emotional openness, too, I think he's just too weird for some people. lol Either in appearance or personality. It feels like the romances where they wrote bi characters and didn't pull back on the m/m side too much are the best. I wish bioware would just write as they would for a straight woman and abandon preconceptions about gay men wanting "less" romance. I think it's pretty clear that Cathleen Rootsaert is a hero for her work with Kaidan and Jaal. Bless her soul! I hope she survives whatever Anthem does for her (or to her more likely).
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Post by Catilina on Jan 6, 2019 20:46:15 GMT
I really didn't like Jaal's romance. I struggled to finish it, and if Reyes had had an honorable duel instead of bringing a sniper, I would have dropped Jaal easily and gone for Reyes with no regrets. (sigh, still salty that he's such an honorless rogue. I love honorable rogues.) And I like Fluffy romances, I liked Alistair and Cullen a lot. Jaal was a giant cringe fest. There is a line between sharing your feelings and talking about feelings that made it feel way too much like I was having a conversation with a Camp Counselor instead of a lover. It doesn't bother me that Reyes tricked her during the duel. It actually kind of made me like him more. lol I'm more of a "play smart, not hard" kind of person and I don't care about what I see as misplaced honor. Did Reyes make that planet better? Did his methods overthrow a tyrant? If they did, then I don't care if he was honest in making it happen. I feel like Reyes was a better leader and th00population, especially the native population, was better off with him. So, to me, there's nothing wrong with what he did. I know some people question if he was better, but I can't manage to feel sympathy for the previous leader, so it's easier for me to give him the benefit of the doubt. Whatever: I'm for that the tyranny always must be crushed, the people must see the tyrant able to fall. Even if the next perhaps not much better, must to try. This is always a hope. It is very important that people see that the change is possible.
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Post by phoray on Jan 6, 2019 20:52:05 GMT
I really didn't like Jaal's romance. I struggled to finish it, and if Reyes had had an honorable duel instead of bringing a sniper, I would have dropped Jaal easily and gone for Reyes with no regrets. (sigh, still salty that he's such an honorless rogue. I love honorable rogues.) And I like Fluffy romances, I liked Alistair and Cullen a lot. Jaal was a giant cringe fest. There is a line between sharing your feelings and talking about feelings that made it feel way too much like I was having a conversation with a Camp Counselor instead of a lover. It doesn't bother me that Reyes tricked her during the duel. It actually kind of made me like him more. lol I'm more of a "play smart, not hard" kind of person and I don't care about what I see as misplaced honor. Did Reyes make that planet better? Did his methods overthrow a tyrant? If they did, then I don't care if he was honest in making it happen. I feel like Reyes was a better leader and th00population, especially the native population, was better off with him. So, to me, there's nothing wrong with what he did. I know some people question if he was better, but I can't manage to feel sympathy for the previous leader, so it's easier for me to give him the benefit of the doubt. That whole scene was dumb. I didn't like the Tyrant Lady at all. (oh ya, sloan wasn't it?) I had no inclination to want to be her back up at such a meeting and I thought it was an odd request on her part. I only agreed to go because Content but also because that storyline and Kadara in general won't be completed unless you do it. So I go with her. WE enter a cave. And Reyes didn't even have to alert her to his presence. He could have sniped her then and there. and it wouldn't have even been a big issue to me. This isn't the Godfather, there are no honorable criminals who meet up just to talk. But he announces himself to the Cave room like an idiot, we get the big reveal secret of how he's lied about his identity. And then presents a Duel Idea (while the sniping literally could have happened even in this conversation) But once you start a duel, you finish a duel. And he could have won it easily enough, it's not like Sloan was touted as the best Gunslinger around. In games where previously romanced characters can lie and betray you for a variety of reasons, primarily based on their idealogy, this man just showed me that he could lie on several different levels. And then he just watches Sloane suffer for pure pyschopathic enjoyment, which is another huge red flag to me. I don't know how they're going to carry that romance come MEA2, but I just don't trust him to not decide something against my favor, regardless of where I've let him put his dick. If a guy treats the waitress badly, he'll treat me badly, kinda thing.
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Jan 6, 2019 20:59:25 GMT
I agree, those were the two best written romances for m/m, imo. Jaal has that emotional openness, too, I think he's just too weird for some people. lol Either in appearance or personality. It feels like the romances where they wrote bi characters and didn't pull back on the m/m side too much are the best. I wish bioware would just write as they would for a straight woman and abandon preconceptions about gay men wanting "less" romance. I think it's pretty clear that Cathleen Rootsaert is a hero for her work with Kaidan and Jaal. Bless her soul! I hope she survives whatever Anthem does for her (or to her more likely). I would say that Cathleen Rootsaert is our m/m equivalent to Sheryl Chee to f/f, sadly both time we had to fight for them. I really hope she sticks somehow for future m/m romances, because Kaidan and Jaal were fantastic, and very special, at least to me 😭 Talking about Mass Effect, rondeeno's mods gave us the full gay Kaidan experience, but we never got a m/m romance that evolves to posterior games. I would love to experience this but I like a different PC (DA formula) every game too because 1- I like to create characters and 2- it seems unlikely for posterior games to repeat companions/LIs T_T so torn about this
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Post by caladrius on Jan 6, 2019 20:59:35 GMT
It doesn't bother me that Reyes tricked her during the duel. It actually kind of made me like him more. lol I'm more of a "play smart, not hard" kind of person and I don't care about what I see as misplaced honor. Did Reyes make that planet better? Did his methods overthrow a tyrant? If they did, then I don't care if he was honest in making it happen. I feel like Reyes was a better leader and th00population, especially the native population, was better off with him. So, to me, there's nothing wrong with what he did. I know some people question if he was better, but I can't manage to feel sympathy for the previous leader, so it's easier for me to give him the benefit of the doubt. Whatever: I'm for that the tyranny always must be crushed, the people must see the tyrant able to fall. Even if the next perhaps not much better, must to try. This is always a hope. It is very important that people see that the change is possible.This is why we're both huge Anders fans. I feel like most people identify most with certain types of characters and lean out on the opposite side. There's traditionalists (Cullen, Cassandra, Sten), reformists (Dorian, Lelianna, Wynne, Iron Bull), revolutionaries (Anders, Reyes, Calpernia, Solas) and then the "got mine bitches" types, like Isabella and Zevran that people either see as refreshing or annoying. lol I lean hard towards revolutionaries and have a soft spot for the "got mine" types, but tend to side eye reformists and think traditionalists are the worst. I even sometimes find myself rationalizing for Solas lmao. "Maybe he was speaking figuratively when he said he was going to kill everyone.. I mean, those elf gods did sound like jerks, how bad could he be."
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 6, 2019 21:36:29 GMT
So here’s a follow up question for the thread: Which was your single favorite romance option in a BioWare game and why? And, if the character is bisexual, what gender was your PC? For me, it was Kaidan with MShep, which I explained a few pages earlier. A major character in the story; emotional and believable dialogue; they weren’t afraid to show genuine affection between two men (likely because it was dialogue written for FemShep, but, hey, I’ll take what I can get); and on a superficial level, he’s hot and his voice is sexy. Lol y'all know how I'm gonna answer this. There are a LOT of romances I enjoy - in DA, ME, NWN, BG, etc... - because I love a love story. But Sera's has been the most personally meaningful for me, to the extent that I find it exceedingly difficult to romance anyone else in a game rife with lovely love interests. But I love how much content there is - between her journal, how her banters change if you romanced someone else before her, how her banter and dialogue changes based on your race and class, etc. I love her vulnerability and rough edges and how she just FEELS things and can't always articulate them, and other times I think her way of phrasing things is way more on-point than characters who're "supposedly" more eloquent lol. I love that she doesn't care about the delicate sensibilities of the nobles, or politicking, or letting anyone get away with thinking they're better people because they dress well or have a title. And I love, love, love, that in her "gift" scene, the greatest gift you can give her is to tell her you're proud to be with her by telling all your friends about your relationship. Inquisitor: I asked everyone and still don't know what to get you. Sera: Waitwaitwait. You went to everyone and said I was your lover? Right to their faces? Ohhhh, Vivienne must have puckered pinky-tight.. best gift ever.
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Post by Artemis on Jan 6, 2019 22:27:37 GMT
So here’s a follow up question for the thread: Which was your single favorite romance option in a BioWare game and why? And, if the character is bisexual, what gender was your PC? For me, it was Kaidan with MShep, which I explained a few pages earlier. A major character in the story; emotional and believable dialogue; they weren’t afraid to show genuine affection between two men (likely because it was dialogue written for FemShep, but, hey, I’ll take what I can get); and on a superficial level, he’s hot and his voice is sexy. I vacillate between my three faves... Kaidan and male Shepard for me, too. Their story has an epic feel to it... the way they start out together, then become separated, then years later reunite. The scene on Horizon is one of my favorites, when Kaidan is so upset with Shepard, and Shepard's so bewildered. Then later TIM seems to suss out his feelings and pointedly asks Shepard about Kaidan, only for Shepard to shout "None of your damn business!" I love the fact that Shepard is probably realizing he has feelings for Kaidan at that point, and I wonder if Kaidan had them for Shepard but never said anything (of course I have to headcanon here because we know his romance was simply removed in ME1). I like the mod that adds it back in, but even canonical mShenko is really beautiful to me. I also really love my Shepard and enjoy playing him because (and I sort of just realized this) we are the same age (he was 32 when ME3 came out, right?? So I was). Anyway, a love that spans years, has its ups and downs, but concludes happily? (assuming Kaidan comes back and finds Shepard). yes, please. Reyes and male Ryder. I really really love Ryder; he's just such a sweet cinnamon roll and I love playing as him. He's so excited and curious about the world. Reyes is this sort of jaded guy who I guess is probably a little bit older? He has this mysterious past that he doesn't want to talk about. But what I loved about the romance is how he flirted with Ryder first (!!), the shoulder nudge, the wink... aieeee, I love. Everything from there is just perfect. Ryder's friends teasing him about his crush. Ryder learning from Keema that Reyes is crazy about him. The kiss in the storeroom, the rooftop chat and kiss, the sweet dance... it's so perfect. Isabela and female Hawke. I don't normally like to play as a woman, but I learned to enjoy female Hawke... I gave her short hair, no make-up, and used the aggressive dialogue options, so she was a bad bitch and I loved her. She really fell for Isabela. Isabela is sexy, confident, and has her own thing going on; she's no damsel in distress. She is also jaded, and I know Hawke's heart was broken when she found that letter from Isabela and thought her gone for good. (Of course she expressed it through anger, but her friends knew she was upset). Then when Isabela shows up at the end of Act 2... ahh, it's such a great moment; it would've been great to experience that on my first playthrough, but of course I had played male Hawke before that several times, so I already knew it was going to happen. I DO NOT like that BioWare has MY Hawke say that she and Isabela don't believe in being tied down in DAI. That really pissed me off. I hate when they FORCE my character into relationship agreements that I didn't make, or that I don't want to make but if I don't I lose the romance (i.e. Iron Bull). So that's one thing I hated about Isabela. This is long and no one cares, oh well xD
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jan 6, 2019 22:39:50 GMT
Mine is Anders, with Kaidan second. I romanced them both as a male PC. I liked the emotional depth of both romances. I relate especially to Anders' very strong feelings ("I would drown us in blood to keep you safe").
Considering how my relationships play out in real life (ie, with me ultimately being thrown away like garbage, every single time), it's nice to see even just a fake someone who would love me the way that I love. And right now I don't care that that sounds extremely pathetic and insane, lol.
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Post by Artemis on Jan 6, 2019 22:43:32 GMT
Mine is Anders, with Kaidan second. I romanced them both as a male PC. I liked the emotional depth of both romances. I relate especially to Anders' very strong feelings ("I would drown us in blood to keep you safe"). Considering how my relationships play out in real life (ie, with me ultimately being thrown away like garbage, every single time), it's nice to see even just a fake someone who would love me the way that I love. And right now I don't care that that sounds extremely pathetic and insane, lol. I mean but that's the beauty of video games, and there's no shame in enjoy very much what they have to offer. I have no interest in romance irl but in video games, I get to inhabit another body, live another life, and it's awesome. I really really love romance in literature, media, etc. so it's probably the most important thing to me in a game. I mean I've played a shit ton of games in my life, so I'm kind of over everything else xD
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 6, 2019 22:46:15 GMT
Whatever: I'm for that the tyranny always must be crushed, the people must see the tyrant able to fall. Even if the next perhaps not much better, must to try. This is always a hope. It is very important that people see that the change is possible.This is why we're both huge Anders fans. I feel like most people identify most with certain types of characters and lean out on the opposite side. There's traditionalists (Cullen, Cassandra, Sten), reformists (Dorian, Lelianna, Wynne, Iron Bull), revolutionaries (Anders, Reyes, Calpernia, Solas) and then the "got mine bitches" types, like Isabella and Zevran that people either see as refreshing or annoying. lol I lean hard towards revolutionaries and have a soft spot for the "got mine" types, but tend to side eye reformists and think traditionalists are the worst. I even sometimes find myself rationalizing for Solas lmao. "Maybe he was speaking figuratively when he said he was going to kill everyone.. I mean, those elf gods did sound like jerks, how bad could he be." Huh, I never thought about it in those terms exactly. I react pretty badly to most revolutionary characters but I am very fond of Calpernia, so who knows. I like reformist characters and characters who dgaf. I DO NOT like that BioWare has MY Hawke say that she and Isabela don't believe in being tied down in DAI. That really pissed me off. I hate when they FORCE my character into relationship agreements that I didn't make, or that I don't want to make but if I don't I lose the romance (i.e. Iron Bull). So that's one thing I hated about Isabela. FWIW, even though I consider my Hawke and Isabela to have an open relationship, that's not the way I read that particular line. I think Hawke was pulling a Morrigan and saying, essentially, "we're not joined at the hip, she understands I have to do this (take care of Corypheus), we'll see each other again." Though I personally like that different characters have different relationship preferences in that way. Zevran's perfectly willing to be monogamous with the Warden, but he has been in a polyamorous relationship before, and says that "you are free to seek your pleasures where you wish and I would have it no other way." He just wants to know he has a future with you. Isabela doesn't think twice about a threesome with Zev or sharing Hawke with Tallis. Sera explicitly says she doesn't share, Morrigan likewise insists on being the only one in your bed, etc. It can get in the way of player preference (my Inquisitor would be totally okay if Sera also wanted to date Dagna, for instance), but it gives the characters themselves a little more agency. Then the option is for the player to either say, "Nope, this is not for me" or "Alright, let's do this." I get that it's frustrating when there are already a limited number of romances per game, but I still kind of like it.
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Jan 6, 2019 22:47:24 GMT
For me these games mean a lot, I know I was in a dark place when I played DAO for first time and that's why Alistair means a lot to me. And I have read a lot about how these games have meant a lot for other people for similar or different reasons than mine and that is a wonderful thing. Maybe it because of that I'm so visceral sometimes when it comes the kind of rep I would love to have in this way of escapism.
edit. Also I'm a monster trash and love me some monster love, that too lol
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Jan 6, 2019 22:53:20 GMT
My favourite BioWare romance of all time (and I have played a loooooooot of them) is Fenris. I don't have any particular preference for romancing him with male vs. female Hawke, but I do like it best rivalmancing him as a sarcastic mage. It's like trying to get an angry stray cat to like you!
As for why it's my favourite: I could just say 'the wall-pushing' because that kind of sums it up, but I guess what it comes down to is that I like a romance with plenty of drama in the middle but where a happy end is achievable. (At least if I don't throw Hawke into the Fade. Which I am inclined to do. Poor Fenris ...) And I just love his spiky but surprisingly warm and funny underneath personality.
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Post by Artemis on Jan 6, 2019 22:59:07 GMT
My favourite BioWare romance of all time (and I have played a loooooooot of them) is Fenris. I don't have any particular preference for romancing him with male vs. female Hawke, but I do like it best rivalmancing him as a sarcastic mage. It's like trying to get an angry stray cat to like you! As for why it's my favourite: I could just say 'the wall-pushing' because that kind of sums it up, but I guess what it comes down to is that I like a romance with plenty of drama in the middle but where a happy end is achievable. (At least if I don't throw Hawke into the Fade. Which I am inclined to do. Poor Fenris ...) And I just love his spiky but surprisingly warm and funny underneath personality. I loooove Fenris. He's a kitty cat. It's so hard to choose a favorite
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Post by Artemis on Jan 6, 2019 23:01:50 GMT
I DO NOT like that BioWare has MY Hawke say that she and Isabela don't believe in being tied down in DAI. That really pissed me off. I hate when they FORCE my character into relationship agreements that I didn't make, or that I don't want to make but if I don't I lose the romance (i.e. Iron Bull). So that's one thing I hated about Isabela. FWIW, even though I consider my Hawke and Isabela to have an open relationship, that's not the way I read that particular line. I think Hawke was pulling a Morrigan and saying, essentially, "we're not joined at the hip, she understands I have to do this (take care of Corypheus), we'll see each other again." Though I personally like that different characters have different relationship preferences in that way. Zevran's perfectly willing to be monogamous with the Warden, but he has been in a polyamorous relationship before, and says that "you are free to seek your pleasures where you wish and I would have it no other way." He just wants to know he has a future with you. Isabela doesn't think twice about a threesome with Zev or sharing Hawke with Tallis. Sera explicitly says she doesn't share, Morrigan likewise insists on being the only one in your bed, etc. It can get in the way of player preference (my Inquisitor would be totally okay if Sera also wanted to date Dagna, for instance), but it gives the characters themselves a little more agency. Then the option is for the player to either say, "Nope, this is not for me" or "Alright, let's do this." I get that it's frustrating when there are already a limited number of romances per game, but I still kind of like it. Oh okay. I like your interpretation I definitely like the idea of them being their own people and always coming to each other. But I also feel like it (along with all the other romances) was just an excuse to explain why Isabela wasn't in the game with Hawke. I hate Hawke's excuse for Fenris, too; almost made it sound like he sneaked out of the house while Fenris was asleep or something. It was just weird. That's fine if Isabela made that implicit in her relationship dialogue in DA2. I wouldn't have gone through with it if so. But I was just pissed that they'd spring this on me after the fact, and have my own character say she was okay with it. That's all.
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