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Post by pessimistpanda on Jan 29, 2019 3:49:47 GMT
Yes indeed, venerable elder * kowtow* You are cranky wise beyond your years! On a more serious note, I gotcha on Blackwall. Perhaps when I say he's my favorite I'm damning him with faint praise. Varric's old news and Inquisition doesn't really do anything interesting with his character, Dorian's fun and comes with a compelling conflict vis a vis Tevinter but all that seems to have gotten pushed to the next game in favor of daddy issues, Iron Bull is just Zevran 3.0/Isabela 2.0 with a sprinkling of Sten, Vivienne may be the most despicable companion we've had to date and not even in a compelling way, Solas is similar to Dorian in that depth and character development appear to be in standstill until DA4 rolls around, Cassandra is Strong Warrior Woman TM, and while Cole and Sera are cool in theory I don't think they quite come together or add much to the plot or setting. Which perhaps isn't their fault, since in DA:i these are scanty to begin with. I agree Blackwall has little to do with the main action, but that's for the better since the main action's boring. He has his own functional, self-contained character arc, and if you find him likable (which I do) it's easy to get invested in it. On a more personal level, he straddles two archetypes I'm fond of: the redemption arc and the down-to-earth exception to an otherwise extravagant cast. I pretty much agree with all of this. Overall I do not like DAI that much. I played it twice (the second time because I finally got around to the DLC). I played DA:O 5+ times, and DA2 dozens of times, even though I made nearly the exact same choices each go around. DA:I is just not a compelling story, for many reasons.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jan 29, 2019 4:40:30 GMT
ANYWAY.
PRETTY GOOD BANGIN'.
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Post by witchcocktor on Jan 29, 2019 6:58:00 GMT
I started my DA journey with DA:I, and have played it more than 1000 hours. With that said, it's severely flawed and after so many hours of doing Dorian's and IB's romances, I started to loathe both romances.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jan 29, 2019 7:15:06 GMT
I started my DA journey with DA:I, and have played it more than 1000 hours. With that said, it's severely flawed and after so many hours of doing Dorian's and IB's romances, I started to loathe both romances. Lol, I can't imagine logging 1000 hours in a game that is only okay. And I played Star Ocean 4.
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Post by witchcocktor on Jan 29, 2019 7:43:17 GMT
I started my DA journey with DA:I, and have played it more than 1000 hours. With that said, it's severely flawed and after so many hours of doing Dorian's and IB's romances, I started to loathe both romances. Lol, I can't imagine logging 1000 hours in a game that is only okay. And I played Star Ocean 4. Dragon Age Inquisition was a whole new experience for me in terms of gaming. Gay romances played a huge part in that, too. But even if you love a game, you don't have to be blind to it's flaws. And the flaws started coming out more and more as I played the game more and more. Still doesn't make the game any less important to me.
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Post by Rouccoco on Jan 29, 2019 7:43:23 GMT
Good point, BW games should learn how to talk to strangers, steal brooms, and swim, before they decide to have kids. But only if they want to. Cute, but you dodged my point that creating a realistic and relatable world is just as important as player interactivity. How exactly do you explain the logic, or lack thereof, of a quasi-medieval setting with no children? More importantly, why do you even care if their are child NPCs in the background, regardless of whether you interact with them or not?
Fine, thanks to people nagging me about NPC kids my heart grew 3 sizes and I will now reject any post-war quasi-medieval world that doesn't have a population pyramid that's 80% widows and kids. Thank you for dissecting my off-hand comment. Now how about them romances?
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jan 29, 2019 13:57:03 GMT
Cute, but you dodged my point that creating a realistic and relatable world is just as important as player interactivity. How exactly do you explain the logic, or lack thereof, of a quasi-medieval setting with no children? More importantly, why do you even care if their are child NPCs in the background, regardless of whether you interact with them or not?
Fine, thanks to people nagging me about NPC kids my heart grew 3 sizes and I will now reject any post-war quasi-medieval world that doesn't have a population pyramid that's 80% widows and kids. Thank you for dissecting my off-hand comment. Now how about them romances? NOT GOOD ENOUGH. REPORT TO THE BREEDING CAGES.
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Post by Reznore on Jan 29, 2019 14:24:52 GMT
I think I'd like a Vivienne like male character romance. Someone with political/power ambition, maybe not totally palatable although not mouhahaha level either.
I still remember fondly the Alistair romance and the fact you can make him king, and sleep with Morrigan. There's a level of unhealthy manipulation at play when you have to wonder if you're making choices to fit your character agenda, or if you're doing it for Ferelden or Alistair.
I'm older now, so I'd rather not have the "naive" Alistair character arc again. But I like the ethical question it raises in a romance.
Also I like romance integrated in the main plot adding some personal nuance to the story.
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Post by Artemis on Jan 29, 2019 16:13:55 GMT
Yes indeed, venerable elder * kowtow* You are cranky wise beyond your years! On a more serious note, I gotcha on Blackwall. Perhaps when I say he's my favorite I'm damning him with faint praise. Varric's old news and Inquisition doesn't really do anything interesting with his character, Dorian's fun and comes with a compelling conflict vis a vis Tevinter but all that seems to have gotten pushed to the next game in favor of daddy issues, Iron Bull is just Zevran 3.0/Isabela 2.0 with a sprinkling of Sten, Vivienne may be the most despicable companion we've had to date and not even in a compelling way, Solas is similar to Dorian in that depth and character development appear to be in standstill until DA4 rolls around, Cassandra is Strong Warrior Woman TM, and while Cole and Sera are cool in theory I don't think they quite come together or add much to the plot or setting. Which perhaps isn't their fault, since in DA:i these are scanty to begin with. I agree Blackwall has little to do with the main action, but that's for the better since the main action's boring. He has his own functional, self-contained character arc, and if you find him likable (which I do) it's easy to get invested in it. On a more personal level, he straddles two archetypes I'm fond of: the redemption arc and the down-to-earth exception to an otherwise extravagant cast. I don't need characters to be intrinsically linked to the main narrative in order for me to love them; that would be quite the tall order. If we look at DA2, for example, only two companions, possibly three, fulfill this criteria: Anders and Isabela, and possibly Varric. Yet my favorites from that games are Isabela and Fenris. Isabela is one of my favorites not because she is closely linked to the plot of the game but because of her. Who she is, her personality, her dialogue, her design, her voice acting, how she relates and interacts with my character and others. And the same goes for Fenris. In the past I've been disappointed that he wasn't linked to the main story at all, and that's because ALL the characters who are usually open to mine as a LI are fringe characters. BioWare has a nasty habit of making the straight characters the plot important ones. That's just annoying, and after using the Solas romance mod, I got a small taste of what it felt like to be in that coveted group of folks whose romance gets to be linked with the main story. It's pretty cool, and made the story feel more... personal, I guess. But that's totally separate from "do I like this character or not?" That shit is literally just personal opinion. Like I see Vivienne above listed as "despicable" but she's literally one of my favorite characters from that game. Dorian is praised, yet he's one of my most hated characters in the franchise. And personal opinion's totally fine xD It just gets a little irritating when folks make statements about characters or romances as if any other opinion is less or even invalid. Like, no one can make an argument that Blackwall is objectively not a good character. Sorry, you can't. You (not "you" but anyone xD) might dislike him, but that doesn't make him a "bad" character.
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Post by Liadan on Jan 29, 2019 16:22:30 GMT
I wouldn`t mind a romance option like professor Kenric, a cute nerdy scholar, more into books and research than weapons. And i`m still wishing for a male dwarf romance and having recently played through the Descent dlc i wouldn`t mind a character as badass as Renn (still sad that poor Renn had to die )
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Post by Artemis on Jan 29, 2019 16:50:48 GMT
I wouldn`t mind a romance option like professor Kenric, a cute nerdy scholar, more into books and research than weapons. And i`m still wishing for a male dwarf romance and having recently played through the Descent dlc i wouldn`t mind a character as badass as Renn (still sad that poor Renn had to die ) I like both of these ^^ Though I don't remember Kenric. I do remember the scholar in the Western Approach. He was cool, too.
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Post by Liadan on Jan 29, 2019 17:42:07 GMT
I wouldn`t mind a romance option like professor Kenric, a cute nerdy scholar, more into books and research than weapons. And i`m still wishing for a male dwarf romance and having recently played through the Descent dlc i wouldn`t mind a character as badass as Renn (still sad that poor Renn had to die ) I like both of these ^^ Though I don't remember Kenric. I do remember the scholar in the Western Approach. He was cool, too. Kenric is from the Jaws of Hakkon dlc. He`s the one that is investigating the last resting place of the inquisitor Ameridan. Edit: to add screenshots of some of his nerdy moments
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Post by Artemis on Jan 29, 2019 17:53:50 GMT
I like both of these ^^ Though I don't remember Kenric. I do remember the scholar in the Western Approach. He was cool, too. Kenric is from the Jaws of Hakkon dlc. He`s the one that is investigating the last resting place of the inquisitor Ameridan. Ohh okay, makes sense; i never played that
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Post by Rouccoco on Jan 29, 2019 19:14:43 GMT
NOT GOOD ENOUGH. REPORT TO THE BREEDING CAGES. PLEASE PUT DOWN THAT BASTER
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 29, 2019 19:18:27 GMT
NOT GOOD ENOUGH. REPORT TO THE BREEDING CAGES. PLEASE PUT DOWN THAT BASTER It’s getting Ubisoft in here.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jan 29, 2019 21:58:10 GMT
I would totally dick down a cute nerdy guy, but that hat needs to fuckin DIE.
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Post by TabithaTH on Jan 30, 2019 12:18:46 GMT
But Kenric and Harding are so cute together . But seriously I wouldn't mind if they made the KISA either gay or female (though I think I'd slightly prefer romancing the female as what ever gender they'd prefer). In fact I think it'd be much more interesting than a straight one. Thing is, after Alistair I'm having trouble really accepting any other KISA unless they are really different in some way. Cullen was just too much like Alistair 2.0 to me. I LOVE this kind of romance, but I felt like I had already done it to my satisfaction. Seriously, if I had to chose between warden Alistair cameo talking about the love of his life and the Cullen romance, I'd take Alistair any day. I mean, there's a reason why my Solavellan has a save so she can switch to Cullen If need be. I didn't feel the need to romance him fully on his own (and he was the reason I even made my Lavellan in the first place). Maybe that's the reason I didn't like him as much as I though I would. Maybe a Cullen who'd romance a qunari would have been more my type? I dunno, I just didn't feel like actually romancing him properly, as much as trying it just to check it off a list. BTW, I actually LOVED Blackwall and his romance (and prefer it to Cullens). I've mentioned it before, I love to pair up unconventional characters, because it gives me a sense of acceptance I lack IRL. Blackwall calling my Adaar Mylady gives me a hell of a smile on my face exactly because of this. It's actually funny. In my previous PT, if Blackwall sticks around, I liked making him a Warden, because he idolized them so. I saw it as helping him become what he wished he was. However, In my Blackwall romance PT I opted for freeing him to atone for his sins (Just so they could stay together). Surprisingly I found that the epilogue gave me a sense of Blackwall actually finding himself. What I mean is, him becomming a warden was like him becoming who he thought he wanted to be, whereas him being free made him into who he actually was. On a different note. I actually wouldn't mind an actual Grey Warden (as LI or just companion). Alistair saw Duncan as a representation of the wardens and he idolized him, plus he was almost a rookie like the HoF. Anders's status as a warden was barely noticeable (plus, he had run away, so he wan't an active warden, so to speak). Because Blackwall wasn't a real warden, he idolized them and only represented the ideal of them, not the true gritty nature of being a warden. I would therefore like someone more seasoned, someone like Duncan, who has seen the bad things, maybe someone who's close to the calling. Someone who can represent the dark side of being a warden, the side that most people are not aware of. Someone who knows the true meaning of the sacrifice you make when you become a warden. Re WoT: People should remember that they need to be vague in order to accommodate all variable outcomes. Like they can't talk about Alistair being neither king nor warden, because he could be both depending on choices.
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Post by arvaarad on Jan 30, 2019 12:57:34 GMT
But Kenric and Harding are so cute together . But seriously I wouldn't mind if they made the KISA either gay or female (though I think I'd slightly prefer romancing the female as what ever gender they'd prefer). In fact I think it'd be much more interesting than a straight one. Thing is, after Alistair I'm having trouble really accepting any other KISA unless they are really different in some way. Cullen was just too much like Alistair 2.0 to me. I LOVE this kind of romance, but I felt like I had already done it to my satisfaction. Seriously, if I had to chose between warden Alistair cameo talking about the love of his life and the Cullen romance, I'd take Alistair any day. I mean, there's a reason why my Solavellan has a save so she can switch to Cullen If need be. I didn't feel the need to romance him fully on his own (and he was the reason I even made my Lavellan in the first place). Maybe that's the reason I didn't like him as much as I though I would. Maybe a Cullen who'd romance a qunari would have been more my type? I dunno, I just didn't feel like actually romancing him properly, as much as trying it just to check it off a list. BTW, I actually LOVED Blackwall and his romance (and prefer it to Cullens). I've mentioned it before, I love to pair up unconventional characters, because it gives me a sense of acceptance I lack IRL. Blackwall calling my Adaar Mylady gives me a hell of a smile on my face exactly because of this. It's actually funny. In my previous PT, if Blackwall sticks around, I liked making him a Warden, because he idolized them so. I saw it as helping him become what he wished he was. However, In my Blackwall romance PT I opted for freeing him to atone for his sins (Just so they could stay together). Surprisingly I found that the epilogue gave me a sense of Blackwall actually finding himself. What I mean is, him becomming a warden was like him becoming who he thought he wanted to be, whereas him being free made him into who he actually was. On a different note. I actually wouldn't mind an actual Grey Warden (as LI or just companion). Alistair saw Duncan as a representation of the wardens and he idolized him, plus he was almost a rookie like the HoF. Anders's status as a warden was barely noticeable (plus, he had run away, so he wan't an active warden, so to speak). Because Blackwall wasn't a real warden, he idolized them and only represented the ideal of them, not the true gritty nature of being a warden. I would therefore like someone more seasoned, someone like Duncan, who has seen the bad things, maybe someone who's close to the calling. Someone who can represent the dark side of being a warden, the side that most people are not aware of. Someone who knows the true meaning of the sacrifice you make when you become a warden. Re WoT: People should remember that they need to be vague in order to accommodate all variable outcomes. Like they can't talk about Alistair being neither king nor warden, because he could be both depending on choices. I can definitely see the warden thing happening if we end up addressing the Weisshaupt drama in DA4. Agree that we need to meet more veteran wardens... though I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re even shadier than Blackwall, when it comes to sharing information.
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Post by Walter Black on Jan 30, 2019 17:29:31 GMT
Regarding the Gay Knight in Shining Armor, it would be interesting to speculate what such a character could logically, actually be in Dragon Age 4, as opposed to just wish fulfillment. If DA4 continues having an even split, having 3 of each class, then the Warriors would be tank, DPS, and support/utility, respectively. Race wise, I think elves and dwarves are more likely than humans or qunari, and here's why:
-With Qunari, Sten exemplified what a KISA could be by the standards of the Qun, but I don't know if that's good enough for some of the people here interested in this trope. Iron Bull cared about the little guy, but was no KISA. Given fan desires, previous characters and some dev comments, I honestly expect any kossith Companion to be a female tal-vashoth saarebas. They might include Gatt as a viddithari Qunari Companion, though I doubt it.
-I don't think any KISAs would be Tevinter proper, as I see any human soldiers being closer to the Black Knight and Gladiator archetypes, respectively. Since Imperial Templars don't have access to lyrium, I see them being closer to Rogues, using stealth and spec ops tactics to fight mages. The only way I could see a human GKISA making sense would be if they were a foreign knight errant. Though hopefully NOT Ser Aaron Hawthorne, as he strikes me as a watered down Blackwall.
-An Ambassidoria dwarf could work, but considering most previous dwarven characters have been from Orzimmar or surfacers, finally getting someone from Kal-Sharok would make more sense. Especially if they upheld traditional Kal-Sharok notions of honor, and not necessarily generic ones. Shaper Valta is iffy, considering she could be made a Spirit Warrior or full mage.
-A Dalish Emerald Knight freedom fighter might work, but in light of the major plots, I think an Ancient Arlathan Knight awoken to the present more likely. The writers can make up whatever they want, but these are the ones I feel best fit the projected setting of DA4.
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Post by arvaarad on Jan 31, 2019 2:13:15 GMT
Seeing the discussion in the twitter thread made me realize how much I’d be into having more nonverbal flirting options. Like, there’s a whole spectrum of touch between talking and kissing.
* shifting in a chair to touch shoulders * lingering on a passed object so their fingers wrap around your hand * working a splinter or muscle tightness out of a limb * adjusting their hair or clothes * ye olde classic “teaching someone archery” (or other skill that provides an excuse to get close)
Stuff that’s on the borderline between touchy-feely platonic friends and actual signals. Not overtly romantic, but possibly testing the waters in that direction.
I’m sure these kinds of things have come up in previous romances, but I feel like they’re usually initiated by the LI rather than the PC, and usually after the romance is solid.
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Post by Gwydden on Jan 31, 2019 2:36:21 GMT
* shifting in a chair to touch shoulders * lingering on a passed object so their fingers wrap around your hand * working a splinter or muscle tightness out of a limb* adjusting their hair or clothes * ye olde classic “teaching someone archery” (or other skill that provides an excuse to get close)Okay, what kind of Pornoland do you live in? All of these except maybe the second one strike me as at least a little invasive, though I realize people's notions of boundaries may vary.
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Post by arvaarad on Jan 31, 2019 2:59:08 GMT
* shifting in a chair to touch shoulders * lingering on a passed object so their fingers wrap around your hand * working a splinter or muscle tightness out of a limb* adjusting their hair or clothes * ye olde classic “teaching someone archery” (or other skill that provides an excuse to get close)Okay, what kind of Pornoland do you live in? All of these except maybe the second one strike me as at least a little invasive, though I realize people's notions of boundaries may vary. Would definitely have to be between people who are at least close friends already. And yeah, for a couple of them — very close. Like, “2 flirts away from kissing” close. Though they’re all less committed than kissing, IMO. I could see doing most of them with a very close platonic friend, with no expectation of escalation. Buuut I also think a lot of modern cultures don’t touch enough. Chimps and bonobos are over there grooming each other for hours on end, and we expect all of our touch needs to be filled by lovers? That seems... unlikely. And lest I come across as one of those overly familiar hug-people, I can’t stand clothing tags or mildly busy bars. My senses are confusing and loud and too much, and I still think humans should touch more.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jan 31, 2019 3:00:57 GMT
* shifting in a chair to touch shoulders * lingering on a passed object so their fingers wrap around your hand * working a splinter or muscle tightness out of a limb* adjusting their hair or clothes * ye olde classic “teaching someone archery” (or other skill that provides an excuse to get close)Okay, what kind of Pornoland do you live in? A nightmare I can never leave. All I wanted was a pizza. I've tried every place in town. There's no other food. I haven't eaten in three days. PLEASE GOD JUST LET ME EAT A SLICE OF PIZZA. I'm so hungry. So hungry.
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Post by arvaarad on Jan 31, 2019 3:15:45 GMT
Okay, what kind of Pornoland do you live in? A nightmare I can never leave. All I wanted was a pizza. I've tried every place in town. There's no other food. I haven't eaten in three days. PLEASE GOD JUST LET ME EAT A SLICE OF PIZZA. I'm so hungry. So hungry. Do people actually watch the pizza delivery pornos? Plumbing I can understand, but the very last thing I want to be thinking about is any food that involves cheese.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jan 31, 2019 3:40:31 GMT
A nightmare I can never leave. All I wanted was a pizza. I've tried every place in town. There's no other food. I haven't eaten in three days. PLEASE GOD JUST LET ME EAT A SLICE OF PIZZA. I'm so hungry. So hungry. Do people actually watch the pizza delivery pornos? Plumbing I can understand, but the very last thing I want to be thinking about is any food that involves cheese. All I know is that when I got here, all my savings had vanished. The only currency is sex. I'm late for every job interview because I always get pulled over for speeding, even though there are no speed limit signs ANYWHERE. Employers never even LOOK at my resume, and when I get home every night, my landlord is waiting with his cock out, chafed and bloody. He begs me not to. He pleads for rest. But an eldritch force pulls me to my knees. He breaks into trembling sobs. He says we must be dead. That this must be Hell. I hope he's wrong. I would welcome death.
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