DA 4 Romances! New info for real this time!!! Zom-bangin'?

I'll never not be baffled by this. Who looks at a romance - which, by definition, ought to invoke some level of feels - and says, "Nope, too sappy for the men!! We can keep that line/hug/affection in for the women tho."

Yeeeaaah.

Sexuality was by far the least of that game's problems, especially at launch 

Yep, that was me.  I reached out them through the forums and a community manager on staff at Spiders replied and said that they recognized that they dropped the ball on including s/s romance in Bound by Flame and that they would rectify that in their games going forward.  And then the very next game was Technomancer which, as others have pointed out, did include a s/s romance for the male PC (but didn't have gender options for the PC unfortunately).  I'm expecting Greedfall to do better.  I feel like they are "Baby Bioware" in that way.  Like where Bioware was back in the ME/DA:O years.
I'm not at all confident about Cyberpunk, given some of the devs' past comments.  Plus, the game just isn't what I'm looking for.  There are too many things about it that don't seem great to me at this point.  Mainly the first person perspective, which is a hard deal breaker for me.  I don't need first person for a 'greater sense of immersion', so that's troubling for me to hear from a dev.  I'm definitely going in cautious and a pre-order isn't even remotely on my mind.  

And I would argue that Dorian and Sera are not that shady.

Dorian is a rather well-mannered man, with good intention who was born under another cultural norm. He is victim of having been taught one thing his entire life, but upon seeing current evidence he is willing to, even if it destroys his entire worldview, to rectify.

Sera, whilst some may paint her as a petty criminals, perhaps. Is far more of a Robin Hood character.

Fighting for the little people against the rich, evil overlords, always there as a reminder to the Inquisitor, that even if he or she is a being larger than life, he or she should never forget the normal people.

As mentioned, characters are incredibly nuanced and labelling them is doing them and Bioware's writers a great disservice.

It does make me a little sad, to be honest.

People are stuck with their heads so far up their own ends "I don't like this representation of that!" "Blah blah blah, what about this representation?! Damn you bioware!"

It is hard to cater to all of the almost impossible demands based on personal likes, dislikes and whatever.

Granted... all of that is, or possibly is not, a result of me meddling and arguing all of this in the first place 

Really interesting observation! FWIW, those of us wlw longing for a butch/tol/strong/warrior lady are loud partly because we're thirsty, but also because having such women be lesbians (or bi) is so rare in fiction. Writers are so afraid of the "butch lesbian stereotype" and we're like..... no, bruh, that's what we're looking for, gimme a woman who can and will benchpress me. 👌 BUT I've seen plenty of interest in a Lady of Black Magic, femme fatale, Morrigan/Yennefer/Viconia type because they're so often straight as well..... Isabela has shades of this, and I'm eternally grateful for that plot-relevant epic femme fatale Arishok-if-you-want-her-you'll-go-through-me romance narrative that's so often reserved for men romancing women. But she is more of a party girl/rogueish type than the aforementioned step-on-me-pls dark seductress type. 👀

I still want Calpernia and she is neither of these things.

I know it's not the same but isometric classic rpgs have been giving me the gay content I deserve (DOS2 and POE). I wish those games could have the content that modern rpgs have though, I would definitely DIE to see Tekehu with present graphics from an AAA game company and sweet animations 

Just say Ekera and I'm dead



I posted a list of games I'm waiting and Greedfall is one of them for sure. The Waylanders (heavily based on DAO gameplay) too since it's a spanish indie company and I hope my people can make me feel proud, they have lgbtq devs and the lead writer for the characters and romances is a bisexual woman, and lgbtq romances are already confirmed (long wait till 2020 though ) cant wait since DAO is my favorite DA game.

That's super subjective. BW is known for story focus and deeply developed relationships with squad-members, and I can get only one of those elsewhere. Getting the same quality and quantity of content as other paying customers is important to me, so the state of m/m romances at launch was a big issue for me.

And according to the internet, MEA's biggest issues were glitches and bad animations. The same people didn't care that Bethesda's games have had glitches and terrible animations for years. So again, what the most major issues are is an opinion.

I think the combination of m/m options that would cover the most gaps are elf mage and dwarf KISA, I think that would be ideal. But really all I want is a romance that has the same depth and plot relevance that Anders and Morrigan and Solas had, and stuff like their class and race are less relevant. Most likely I’ll just have to settle for another human, but I can dream. lol

I think there will be less disappointment if there are more than just two m/m options. In ME and DA games, there are at most 2 m/m options (except for MEA where bi Jaal was added later), meanwhile straight male players get many more female LIs in ME games, and there are 4 LIs for straight female player. So, I think it's a good time that there should be 3 m/m options or, Maker forbids, 4 but that seems very unlikely.

They have confirmed that there will be gay romance(s) for both male and female PC in Greedfall. 

They said that they won't go all bi approach and there will be 5 companions. So, I think we may get 1 or 2 m/m option in that game. 

Oh yes! I am surprised by how great Ifan romance in DOS2 is so far even though he is not a KISA, and I can't wait to experience that sweet dwarf romance! I am quite curious about Fane's romance as well since he seems to be the most plot relevant and he is a skeleton. It would be interesting to bone him.  

I guess it's lucky for us that there are 4 m/m romances in that game that are quite varied, but it is unfortunate that there are only 2 female options. I would not mind if Red Prince were to be Red Princess instead.

I don’t think I’ve had a LI that was plot-relevant since Bastila in KOTOR.

It would be nice so I understand the desire.