The Maevaris Tilani Discussion Thread

This seems like the best way to handle it, and probably gives BioWare the least amount of backlash. There are some people that believe not wanting to date a trans person is transphobic. So I can definitely see some people taking issue with the option, to back out the relationship once she reveals she's trans.

Did my comment read as an attack towards you? Because if so, I'm sorry, that wasn't the case. I don't think I deserve this condescending reply. 

Characters who are romanceable should have a '' I'm interested in you '' option whether or not they are interested in you back, whether it's because of your ideals or because of your gender. That's part of roleplaying and part of making the characters feel more human, to me. I also don't believe in it being out of character for Solas to hear someone's flirts, he IS available for a romance for female elves, isn't he? So obviously he isn't above romance. 

That wasn't your argument, though. You said it would be out character for Solas. WC is pointing out that having a flirt option for the PC has nothing to do with Solas's character, it's something for our character to say. The NPC can respond however they wish, including telling the PC to piss off or shouting, "Elven glory!"


Yeah. That's why it's an option. I only ever flirt with my intended LI for whatever play, but I don't care that the exists for other characters.

Exactly. No one is asking for the devs to make everyone receptable to flirts. Only that it would be nice to allow flirts regardless of the character’s preferences. The PC wouldn’t know that Solas is only into lady elves. So why not allow a dwarf male to flirt with him — and to then be let down by Solas who isn’t interested. It’s happened before with Aveline, Cullen, Sera, Dorian, etc. I believe the request is just to say that Mae should be able to be flirted with regardless of her sexual orientation (which, it seems, is straight and open to various races). Especially since she’s a flirtatious lady already. I’m sure if she’s not a romance option OR if she is but isn’t into the PC, she’ll have a fun, quippy way to let her preferences known.

Why wouldn't you be able to? I'm sure if someone has been dating a trans person for a while, then that trans person came out to them. I'm sure that person who didn't know the trans person was trans would be hurt. The decision rather or not to date the trans character in game wouldn't be forced. They come out to the player as trans, before the relationship in game becomes serious, and the player can choose rather or not to continue the pursuit of that relationship. Easy.

Edit: Also like I said before, If there is going to be a trans character I just want that character to be represented as every other character in game. Them being trans shouldn't make them special. 

Yeah, I don't see why Mae having been with Thorold means she's only interested in male dwarves. Only interested in men, maybe - we know she's into men, whether or not she's also into women is up in the air - but before playing their respective games it's like saying that Leliana is ONLY into humans because she was with Marjolaine, or Anders is ONLY into humans because he was with Karl. One relationship doesn't have to be the sum of all your attractions.

i would love to see her in the next game, she seem like an interesting character. i don't really see why it matter if she's a transgender. i mean her being born with a penis is not what is interesting about her character, it's just a fact about her. she is who she is regardless. will be interesting to see who they get to voice her though =D

 In the Fade, she is being tended to exclusively by male servants so all evidence points to her being straight. 

If the choice is between making her bi and not making her a romance option, I'd prefer the latter because as I'd said, she seems pretty much established as straight so making her available to both genders (especially on the reasoning that she's a transgender character) feels like putting her status as a romance before her status as a character by retconning a part of her character solely for the sake of player desire. 

Note: The bracket bit is in reference to a previous post a while ago where a poster expressed that they felt it would be unfair if Maevaris Tilani was made a straight-only option specifically because she was a transgender character and so, in their eyes, it would be unfair to gay people and equivalent to leaving them out. Essentially, they felt entitled to romancing Maevaris with a female character and didn't really care if that didn't fit with how Maevaris had been written. 

As with any character, I never assume unless they or the devs tell us outright. 👀

Usually i would agree but in this case i don't based on what was shown about Mae so far.

While I understand it would be challenging, I would still like for them to do it. I'm hopeful they will since Patrick Weekes has said they want to, they're just thinking how they would do it. Until then I just hope they at least allow the option for that kind of relationship with some of the characters like they have in the past. Maybe even just look at those kinds of romances and remove the ambiguity from it, even if just in a meta sense like they did with The Iron Bull being pansexual. I definitely agree that the romance shouldn't focus on that though. To use a character I hope becomes one, Vaea from the comics springs to mind since while her writers at this point in time have made her have a general lack of sexual attraction to anything so if they continued with that it wouldn't be the focus of her character since her character is already established without that.