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Post by witchcocktor on Dec 9, 2018 2:03:33 GMT
So a dead wife for Thane is A-OK, but a dead husband for Steve is a travesty? Forget the bigots. It often strikes me that the gay fans are the most unpleasable when it comes gay characters. Just mix it up a little. That's all I want. They're doing well with the lesbian side of things - Traynor is much easier to accept when there are characters like Sera and Suvi that aren't so stereotypical.
I'll also point to Avitus as an example of "gay man with dead partner" done right.
Oh Avitus rooocked. Would date in Andromeda 2.
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Post by 10k on Dec 9, 2018 2:19:06 GMT
So a dead wife for Thane is A-OK, but a dead husband for Steve is a travesty? Forget the bigots. It often strikes me that the gay fans are the most unpleasable when it comes gay characters. That's because gay characters, note, gay, not bi, are often enough side characters who don't get the same importance in the plot as the straight and sometimes bi cast, and sometimes even less content too. It's hard to not be critical. And for BWs gay dudes, only Dorian breaks the mold, but then his characterization can be a but divisive for those of us who don't like gay soap opera. When we get a wider variety of gay characters, there'll be someone for everyone. Just because I'm gay, don't mean I'll love all things gay and be happy with getting crumbs. So do the majority of characters have to be gay for you not to get "crumbs" Because as I remember it, everyone in inquisition and DA2 had the same number of romances. Not counting bi characters, for inquisition, there is literally someone for everyone. If you don't like that someone...well... Straight male: Cassandra Lesbian: Sera Gay male: Dorian. Also I find it a bit hypocritical that you have issues with dorian (His characterization), but when people voice their issues about Cass (Her looks) it's somehow wrong or upsetting, at the very least. Edit: forgot straight females. They're the only ones with more options than anyone else. Be angry at them.
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Post by thats1evildude on Dec 9, 2018 2:19:25 GMT
I’m not saying you have to like everything, but I’m pointing out that the argument for “more representation!” is undermined by the fact that you’re constantly complaining about the representation that there’s there, even when it’s not that objectionable.
What incentive is there to bow to your demands when the inevitable result is a slap to the face?
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Post by duskwanderer on Dec 9, 2018 2:23:13 GMT
If they are going to include Maevaris, or any transgender character, they need a better reason than "muh representation"
The dialogue about Krem was extremely heavy-handed (to his credit, I think Weekes admits this).
Also, don't pull a Battlefield V.
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Post by witchcocktor on Dec 9, 2018 2:30:12 GMT
That's because gay characters, note, gay, not bi, are often enough side characters who don't get the same importance in the plot as the straight and sometimes bi cast, and sometimes even less content too. It's hard to not be critical. And for BWs gay dudes, only Dorian breaks the mold, but then his characterization can be a but divisive for those of us who don't like gay soap opera. When we get a wider variety of gay characters, there'll be someone for everyone. Just because I'm gay, don't mean I'll love all things gay and be happy with getting crumbs. So do the majority of characters have to be gay for you not to get "crumbs" Because as I remember it, everyone in inquisition and DA2 had the same number of romances. Not counting bi characters, for inquisition, there is literally someone for everyone. If you don't like that someone...well... Straight male: Cassandra Lesbian: Sera Gay male: Dorian. Also I find it a bit hypocritical that you have issues with dorian (His characterization), but when people voice their issues about Cass (Her looks) it's somehow wrong or upsetting, at the very least. I said Dorian breaks the mold. How about you reference ME:A where we only had Gil who - wasn't a companion - had a fade to black sex scene - had a CC generated face instead of a unique face scan - absolutely no importance in the story and only spoke in one quest, wasn't even invited to all the meetings - had a completely bonkers romance and story that underlined his gayness, even as a negative trait jokingly Compare that to Cora, he is NOTHING. And I have no problem with people calling Cassandra ugly, that's a matter of taste.
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Post by smilesja on Dec 9, 2018 2:54:18 GMT
If they are going to include Maevaris, or any transgender character, they need a better reason than "muh representation" The dialogue about Krem was extremely heavy-handed (to his credit, I think Weekes admits this). Also, don't pull a Battlefield V. I think BFV has more problems than the whole social justice angle which I personally found overblown.
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Post by duskwanderer on Dec 9, 2018 2:55:17 GMT
If they are going to include Maevaris, or any transgender character, they need a better reason than "muh representation" The dialogue about Krem was extremely heavy-handed (to his credit, I think Weekes admits this). Also, don't pull a Battlefield V. I think BFV has more problems than the whole social justice angle which I personally found overblown. In the immortal words of Flemeth "It dictated all that followed."
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Post by smilesja on Dec 9, 2018 2:56:32 GMT
She is my second favorite companion in that game because she's actually pretty interesting. From her story, and perspective on everything from her group to the various factions and politics of the Mojave, and the fact that she only brought her sexuality in a conversation you initiate is appreciated, but then again Obsidian actually knows how to do quality companions. First has to go to Raul though, just has to. Danny T playing a ghoul cowboy is just the best thing ever BioWare does it better.
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Post by smilesja on Dec 9, 2018 2:56:52 GMT
I think BFV has more problems than the whole social justice angle which I personally found overblown. In the immortal words of Flemeth "It dictated all that followed." Not really.
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Post by 10k on Dec 9, 2018 2:57:16 GMT
I said Dorian breaks the mold. How about you reference ME:A where we only had Gil who - wasn't a companion - had a fade to black sex scene - had a CC generated face instead of a unique face scan - absolutely no importance in the story and only spoke in one quest, wasn't even invited to all the meetings - had a completely bonkers romance and story that underlined his gayness, even as a negative trait jokingly Compare that to Cora, he is NOTHING. And I have no problem with people calling Cassandra ugly, that's a matter of taste. You know what. I agree with you, only because I think all of the writing for the characters were bad in Andromeda to begin with. The only thing Cora did have over Gil was the sex scene, her actual personality was as dull as Gil's. But I boil it all down to the team who did Andromeda. The same team who did Inquisition did not do Andromeda, so with that comes different visions. DA games were always a step ahead of "inclusion" and great characterization of gay character's because of writers like Gaider (who is gay). This is why Dorian was a well liked character and Krem really wasn't.
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Post by arcanistranger on Dec 9, 2018 3:05:46 GMT
You know what. I agree with you, only because I think all of the writing for the characters were bad in Andromeda to begin with. Let's not pretend you actually played the game for yourself, or that you actually thought about what you "think" about the characters.
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Post by 10k on Dec 9, 2018 3:12:00 GMT
You know what. I agree with you, only because I think all of the writing for the characters were bad in Andromeda to begin with. Let's not pretend you actually played the game for yourself, or that you actually thought about what you "think" about the characters. I did play the game bud. here's my psn list of games to prove it. I played both Inquisition and Andromeda and beat them psnprofiles.com/MosesARose
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Post by masterwarderz on Dec 9, 2018 3:13:46 GMT
She is my second favorite companion in that game because she's actually pretty interesting. From her story, and perspective on everything from her group to the various factions and politics of the Mojave, and the fact that she only brought her sexuality in a conversation you initiate is appreciated, but then again Obsidian actually knows how to do quality companions. First has to go to Raul though, just has to. Danny T playing a ghoul cowboy is just the best thing ever BioWare does it better. It hasn't for a long time now, last memorable companion I actually enjoyed was free DLC for ME2
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 9, 2018 3:13:57 GMT
*watches the arguments while sitting in my corner of 0 characters canonically representing me*
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Post by witchcocktor on Dec 9, 2018 3:18:03 GMT
*watches the arguments while sitting in my corner of 0 characters canonically representing me* Asexual characters would be okay though, but I want to have sex with my guy that I romance.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 9, 2018 3:19:42 GMT
*watches the arguments while sitting in my corner of 0 characters canonically representing me* I was referring to people on the Ace Spectrum.
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Post by thats1evildude on Dec 9, 2018 3:21:45 GMT
If they are going to include Maevaris, or any transgender character, they need a better reason than "muh representation" The dialogue about Krem was extremely heavy-handed (to his credit, I think Weekes admits this). Also, don't pull a Battlefield V. I think BFV has more problems than the whole social justice angle which I personally found overblown. The biggest problem being who fucking cares Battlefield at this point?
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Post by 10k on Dec 9, 2018 3:23:40 GMT
I was referring to people on the Ace Spectrum. Thank You. I think people like myself do need more representation.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 9, 2018 3:25:27 GMT
I was referring to people on the Ace Spectrum. Thank You. I think people like myself do need more representation. You’re Ace? I didn’t know that.
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Post by 10k on Dec 9, 2018 3:29:25 GMT
Thank You. I think people like myself do need more representation. You’re Ace? I didn’t know that. Yes I am. I am aromantic. You didn't know, because I don't tell anyone lol.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 9, 2018 3:35:00 GMT
You’re Ace? I didn’t know that. Yes I am. I am aromantic. You didn't know, because I don't tell anyone lol. You're welcome then. And yeah I'm hoping that they have characters who are on the Ace Spectrum in this next game.
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Post by Artemis on Dec 9, 2018 3:38:26 GMT
*watches the arguments while sitting in my corner of 0 characters canonically representing me* Asexual characters would be okay though, but I want to have sex with my guy that I romance. imo I should have the option to play my character however I like, so if I am asexual, I should be able to share that with my partner and perhaps they are fine with it and we have a loving relationship minus the love scene. I think this was done with Jaal? And I could easily headcanon it with Solas b/c I took the "nice/professional" dialogue options and there was never a reference to sex throughout the whole game. I don't need a character to tell me they're ace and that they won't sleep with me. Video games aren't PSAs.
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Post by Aliaspig on Dec 9, 2018 4:00:19 GMT
Any time someone says "I don't want politics in my media" what they really mean is "I don't want politics I don't personally agree with to be in my media." Don't pretend like this isn't the case. Instead of being ornery about it, you could try, I don't know, not engaging with the media in question? Better than bringing negativity to yourself and others.
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Post by thats1evildude on Dec 9, 2018 4:20:09 GMT
Varys from Game of Thrones is asexual. Even before he was castrated, he said he wasn’t interested in men or women.
The difficulty with portraying asexuality is that it’s defined by the absence of sexual attraction, and to be honest, portraying the absence of something is pretty difficult.
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Post by General Mahad on Dec 9, 2018 4:21:38 GMT
Not going to happen. BioWare's last game got slandered just because a bunch of raging neo-Nazi troglodytes shit their pants about the game, then gaming journalists saw that horde of psychotic losers and decided they wanted rabid assholes like that to be their audience. If Maevaris was included, gaming journalists would once again gladly invent bullshit to attack the game with, just to get clicks from human garbage. Such a shame, really. That’s interesting, I thought people hated it because it was a buggy mess with a forgettable plot, antagonist, squadmates, and main character. Anyway, remember that one minor Trans NPC in Andromeda? She dead named herself and that caused massive criticism about how she was written.
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