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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 20:03:39 GMT
Would you please then go back and edit your posts to take those comments directed towards him out of the second person. Sure, but is it not clear enough when I say his name, that I am addressing him, not you? I'm pretty sure nobody's going to mistake you for him. So hold on, I'm editing it to clarify it as we speak. Thank you.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 1, 2019 21:41:49 GMT
Sure, but is it not clear enough when I say his name, that I am addressing him, not you? I'm pretty sure nobody's going to mistake you for him. So hold on, I'm editing it to clarify it as we speak. Thank you.
I'm guessing Ben Irving isn't a fan favourite, huh? I hear he's done a lot of bad things for ToR.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 21:43:40 GMT
I'm guessing Ben Irving isn't a fan favourite, huh? I hear he's done a lot of bad things for ToR. Honestly, I really don't know. I know he's a lead something for Anthem, but my internet is almost as 3rd-world as the hospitals around here (since I'm rural) so I simply can't play online games. On the plus side, I do have a terrific view outside my window complete with a moose and several deer grazing in our pasture..
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 1, 2019 21:58:04 GMT
I'm guessing Ben Irving isn't a fan favourite, huh? I hear he's done a lot of bad things for ToR. Honestly, I really don't know. I know he's a lead something for Anthem, but my internet is almost as 3rd-world as the hospitals around here (since I'm rural) so I simply can't play online games. On the plus side, I do have a terrific view outside my window complete with a moose and several deer grazing in our pasture.. Sounds fantastic. My dad lives in the countryside with my mom. They've got cats, dogs and chickens, they grow their own produce and make their own wine. It's a different world compared to the city. So much nicer there. But my job is in the city.
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 2, 2019 16:39:29 GMT
The italed is simply false. Ryder isn't in the room until he steps into view. The door mechanism sound can be heard. I think you're confused because the scene jumps back in time about a minute from where you left off with Ryder. I'm not sure what's left of your argument after this. Does it reduce to "Lexi should have locked the door," or is there something more? If it's the former, I'll just reiterate that the procedure Lexi's performing doesn't require this. Thanks for entirely dismissing my argument about dialogue, camera placement, voice acting, realism and immersion with just that one line. It's like we weren't even having this discussion, at all. And yes, doctor/patient confidentiality means, unless you want to break that trust and also make yourself liable to a lawsuit, that Lexi should also have locked the door. In this one instance, though, since it was pointed out, Lexi did in fact ask Ryder to come in, just to break that doctor/patient confidentiality. Which doesn't make it right, only more stupid. *shrugs* I didn't find the dialogue, camera placement, voice acting, and immersion arguments persuasive in the least, but those points are so subjective that I didn't figure there was anything else to do with them besides dismiss them. (I suppose we could try to get technical about the camera angles.) Lexi didn't break any confidentiality. She stops talking when Ryder enters, until Drack explicitly waives confidentiality. (I thought that argument depended on the timing of Ryder's entry, so I assumed it was no longer operative.)
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 2, 2019 17:27:53 GMT
*shrugs* I didn't find the dialogue, camera placement, voice acting, and immersion arguments persuasive in the least, but those points are so subjective that I didn't figure there was anything else to do with them besides dismiss them. (I suppose we could try to get technical about the camera angles.) Lexi didn't break any confidentiality. She stops talking when Ryder enters, until Drack explicitly waives confidentiality. (I thought that argument depended on the timing of Ryder's entry, so I assumed it was no longer operative.) Well, it's very good that you didn't find anything wrong with the scene. I've already explained my stance as to why I didn't like it, why I think it is static, feels lazy, though I'm quite sure plenty of work went into it, outdated, poorly delivered, unrealistic and sold for cheap feels. Now, you can disagree and say it is subjective, but if this was a movie, I'd argue it's been 40-30 years since we stopped doing this approach, simply because it is overdone, the tech has improved to allow for a different approach, better scenebuild equipment has been implemented and directors/cinematographers have become more creative, imaginative and intuitive. In a 3D engine, where the assets are already produced, camera placement, to hide potential studio crew and equipment isn't an issue, to keep on doing something with antiquated means, especially in a scene with the gravity you want it to have, well, nobody's stopping you from doing so. And it's perfectly functional, sure. But you're going to miss out on a lot of impact, in that scene of yours. So yeah, does it get the point through? Sure. Is it one of the most emotional scenes in the history of mass effect as was claimed? No. Not by a long shot. It informs the player and it doesn't glitch out. That's the best I can say about it.
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Post by opuspace on Apr 3, 2019 0:48:36 GMT
The italed is simply false. Ryder isn't in the room until he steps into view. The door mechanism sound can be heard. I think you're confused because the scene jumps back in time about a minute from where you left off with Ryder. I'm not sure what's left of your argument after this. Does it reduce to "Lexi should have locked the door," or is there something more? If it's the former, I'll just reiterate that the procedure Lexi's performing doesn't require this. Thanks for entirely dismissing my argument about dialogue, camera placement, voice acting, realism and immersion with just that one line. It's like we weren't even having this discussion, at all. And yes, doctor/patient confidentiality means, unless you want to break that trust and also make yourself liable to a lawsuit, that Lexi should also have locked the door. In this one instance, though, since it was pointed out, Lexi did in fact ask Ryder to come in, just to break that doctor/patient confidentiality. Which doesn't make it right, only more stupid. Ehhhhh, I don't know if that's necessarily breaking patient/doctor confidentiality. Drack works with Ryder and the others on a frequent daily basis, sharing quarters and meals to the point they're basically roommates as well as coworkers. Everyone there has a vested interest in keeping Drack alive and well so what is witnessed is just vague enough to remain secret. Breaking patient/doctor confidentiality would be if she leaked Drack's information to people on the Hyperion. HIPAA regulations, for example, can seem weirdly contradictory but are actually very specific. You can talk about someone involved in a system, but you can't release specific details like name, address, description or anything that can be tracked down to a specific individual. Speaking in generalities are usually enough to respect confidentiality so there's enough wiggle room for Lexi in that scene to allow Ryder in while Drack is going through basic routine maintenance. It's like when she announces everyone on the ship needs shots. We don't know what for, what kind or why. We can assume they're for innoculation, but until it's specified, there's nothing broken.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 3, 2019 8:58:25 GMT
Ehhhhh, I don't know if that's necessarily breaking patient/doctor confidentiality. Drack works with Ryder and the others on a frequent daily basis, sharing quarters and meals to the point they're basically roommates as well as coworkers. Everyone there has a vested interest in keeping Drack alive and well so what is witnessed is just vague enough to remain secret. Breaking patient/doctor confidentiality would be if she leaked Drack's information to people on the Hyperion. HIPAA regulations, for example, can seem weirdly contradictory but are actually very specific. You can talk about someone involved in a system, but you can't release specific details like name, address, description or anything that can be tracked down to a specific individual. Speaking in generalities are usually enough to respect confidentiality so there's enough wiggle room for Lexi in that scene to allow Ryder in while Drack is going through basic routine maintenance. It's like when she announces everyone on the ship needs shots. We don't know what for, what kind or why. We can assume they're for innoculation, but until it's specified, there's nothing broken. This isn't some vague insinuation, here. Lexi has directly asked Ryder to be there for Drack's examination, in order to see first hand Drack's condition. Imagine if I had cancer, and while my doctor was talking to me about how worse my condition was getting, my boss just walked in. I would be livid.
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Post by opuspace on Apr 3, 2019 12:12:39 GMT
Ehhhhh, I don't know if that's necessarily breaking patient/doctor confidentiality. Drack works with Ryder and the others on a frequent daily basis, sharing quarters and meals to the point they're basically roommates as well as coworkers. Everyone there has a vested interest in keeping Drack alive and well so what is witnessed is just vague enough to remain secret. Breaking patient/doctor confidentiality would be if she leaked Drack's information to people on the Hyperion. HIPAA regulations, for example, can seem weirdly contradictory but are actually very specific. You can talk about someone involved in a system, but you can't release specific details like name, address, description or anything that can be tracked down to a specific individual. Speaking in generalities are usually enough to respect confidentiality so there's enough wiggle room for Lexi in that scene to allow Ryder in while Drack is going through basic routine maintenance. It's like when she announces everyone on the ship needs shots. We don't know what for, what kind or why. We can assume they're for innoculation, but until it's specified, there's nothing broken. This isn't some vague insinuation, here. Lexi has directly asked Ryder to be there for Drack's examination, in order to see first hand Drack's condition. Imagine if I had cancer, and while my doctor was talking to me about how worse my condition was getting, my boss just walked in. I would be livid. Except that Ryder is Drack's team leader and has a need to know the state of his health to determine whether to take him into combat, to decide whether Drack is able to handle certain risks (taking a drink from Kadara's waters anyone?) and to be watchful for anything that isn't working right. If it was Tann or heaven forbid, another krogan, there would then be a risk. But this isn't a breach of protocol. I'm currently privy to certain things where I work that are extremely private of certain coworkers but because I work there, I'm entrusted not to blab outside the office. There is explicit warning that I will be fired if I give away specific information to strangers, but until then, I am entrusted with being notified of it so that I can operate fully functional without drag.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2019 12:22:11 GMT
Ehhhhh, I don't know if that's necessarily breaking patient/doctor confidentiality. Drack works with Ryder and the others on a frequent daily basis, sharing quarters and meals to the point they're basically roommates as well as coworkers. Everyone there has a vested interest in keeping Drack alive and well so what is witnessed is just vague enough to remain secret. Breaking patient/doctor confidentiality would be if she leaked Drack's information to people on the Hyperion. HIPAA regulations, for example, can seem weirdly contradictory but are actually very specific. You can talk about someone involved in a system, but you can't release specific details like name, address, description or anything that can be tracked down to a specific individual. Speaking in generalities are usually enough to respect confidentiality so there's enough wiggle room for Lexi in that scene to allow Ryder in while Drack is going through basic routine maintenance. It's like when she announces everyone on the ship needs shots. We don't know what for, what kind or why. We can assume they're for innoculation, but until it's specified, there's nothing broken. This isn't some vague insinuation, here. Lexi has directly asked Ryder to be there for Drack's examination, in order to see first hand Drack's condition. Imagine if I had cancer, and while my doctor was talking to me about how worse my condition was getting, my boss just walked in. I would be livid. You're stuck on this idea that the "examination" involved is something you're equating first to a colonscopy and now cancer? She's scanning his prosthetics and callibrating them. That's all... and she knows he doesn't have cancer, etc. She also knows Ryder knows he has prosthetics. All she says is that it is "a lot" and "nothing he doesn't know about" and then tells him to "fight smart." It is a vague insinuation.
ETA: Another possibility is that, completely off-camera, Lexi asked Drack about inviting Ryder to come talk to him and he agreed to it in advance of when the scene starts.
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Post by cloud9 on Apr 3, 2019 19:24:53 GMT
This is why BioWare should get the head out of their asses and do better. Look how incompetence, indecisiveness, poor leadership, and EA got them.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 3, 2019 22:33:23 GMT
Except that Ryder is Drack's team leader and has a need to know the state of his health to determine whether to take him into combat, to decide whether Drack is able to handle certain risks (taking a drink from Kadara's waters anyone?) and to be watchful for anything that isn't working right. If it was Tann or heaven forbid, another krogan, there would then be a risk. But this isn't a breach of protocol. I'm currently privy to certain things where I work that are extremely private of certain coworkers but because I work there, I'm entrusted not to blab outside the office. There is explicit warning that I will be fired if I give away specific information to strangers, but until then, I am entrusted with being notified of it so that I can operate fully functional without drag. Ryder would normally be informed by Lexi that Drack passed his physical and that he is cleared for operations.
So you're saying you have access to private information, that should a third party be versed in by you, you'd get fired? And you see no relation between that and what Lexi did?
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 3, 2019 22:34:27 GMT
You're stuck on this idea that the "examination" involved is something you're equating first to a colonscopy and now cancer? She's scanning his prosthetics and callibrating them. That's all... and she knows he doesn't have cancer, etc. She also knows Ryder knows he has prosthetics. All she says is that it is "a lot" and "nothing he doesn't know about" and then tells him to "fight smart." It is a vague insinuation.
ETA: Another possibility is that, completely off-camera, Lexi asked Drack about inviting Ryder to come talk to him and he agreed to it in advance of when the scene starts.
On the contrary, you are are getting extremely caught up on the type of condition, rather than the fact that Lexi brought an outsider in, to hear about his condition, who is also, technically, his boss. What doctor does that? The colonoscopy part was a joke/example as to why the examination room's door should remain locked during an examination. You are intertwining different arguments together and from different posts. If you had a problem with my wording, you could have just asked for a clarification from me.
It doesn't look to me like Ryder knows about Drack's prosthetics and it also doesn't look like Drack had agreed to talk to Ryder about them, in Lexi's presence. It looks to me more like Ryder strolled in, heard the conversation, understood something was wrong after he heard Lexi and Drack, asked Drack and after the latter showed the bare minimum of resistance, told Ryder everything about his health condition. Which, again, I am going to point out that it seems to me like a serious breach of trust, doctor/patient confidentiality and examination room protocol and those are just my qualms about the writing in this scene, as I find it outdated compare to its contemporaries, in terms of use of setting, cinematography and real life limitations that we've managed to overcome through the use of advanced tech and props over the years, which don't even exist as limitations in a 3D CG scenebuild to begin with. They literally copied a random scene from a TV medical drama from 40 years ago, in terms of direction.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2019 23:32:49 GMT
You're stuck on this idea that the "examination" involved is something you're equating first to a colonscopy and now cancer? She's scanning his prosthetics and callibrating them. That's all... and she knows he doesn't have cancer, etc. She also knows Ryder knows he has prosthetics. All she says is that it is "a lot" and "nothing he doesn't know about" and then tells him to "fight smart." It is a vague insinuation.
ETA: Another possibility is that, completely off-camera, Lexi asked Drack about inviting Ryder to come talk to him and he agreed to it in advance of when the scene starts.
On the contrary, you are are getting extremely caught up on the type of condition, rather than the fact that Lexi brought an outsider in, to hear about his condition, who is also, technically, his boss. What doctor does that? The colonoscopy part was a joke/example as to why the examination room's door should remain locked during an examination. You are intertwining different arguments together and from different posts. If you had a problem with my wording, you could have just asked for a clarification from me.
It doesn't look to me like Ryder knows about Drack's prosthetics and it also doesn't look like Drack had agreed to talk to Ryder about them, in Lexi's presence. It looks to me more like Ryder strolled in, heard the conversation, understood something was wrong after he heard Lexi and Drack, asked Drack and after the latter showed the bare minimum of resistance, told Ryder everything about his health condition. Which, again, I am going to point out that it seems to me like a serious breach of trust, doctor/patient confidentiality and examination room protocol and those are just my qualms about the writing in this scene, as I find it outdated compare to its contemporaries, in terms of use of setting, cinematography and real life limitations that we've managed to overcome through the use of advanced tech and props over the years, which don't even exist as limitations in a 3D CG scenebuild to begin with. They literally copied a random scene from a TV medical drama from 40 years ago, in terms of direction.
Ryder absolutely knows about Drack's prosthetics because Drack can tell Ryder about them in the very first conversation you have with him onboard Tempest (this is dependent on how deeply Ryder inquires). Drack also jokes about them with other members of the crew in the Nomad (Nomad banter is randomly triggered and dependent on which pairs of squad mates are together). A comment like that just tells me again that you haven't really played the game or at least paid any attention to it while playing it.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 3, 2019 23:37:34 GMT
Ryder absolutely knows about Drack's prosthetics because Drack tells him about them in the very first conversation you have with him onboard Tempest. Drack also jokes about them with other members of the crew in the Nomad. A comment like that just tells me again that you haven't really played the game or at least paid any attention to it while playing it. Truth is, I did skip a lot of dialogue. But if that is the case, then what's the point of this scene?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2019 23:55:29 GMT
Ryder absolutely knows about Drack's prosthetics because Drack tells him about them in the very first conversation you have with him onboard Tempest. Drack also jokes about them with other members of the crew in the Nomad. A comment like that just tells me again that you haven't really played the game or at least paid any attention to it while playing it. Truth is, I did skip a lot of dialogue. But if that is the case, then what's the point of this scene? It reflects a change in Drack's attitude after his loyalty mission is completed. Until that point, he doesn't care whether or not he lives or dies and throws himself rather carelessly into battle. Saving his future grandson-in-law during his LM and what that son-in-law tells him causes him to realize that he has more live for and is more useful to those who love him than he thought. It's the first time he talks seriously about it.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 4, 2019 0:11:49 GMT
Truth is, I did skip a lot of dialogue. But if that is the case, then what's the point of this scene? It reflects a change in Drack's attitude after his loyalty mission is completed. Until that point, he doesn't care whether or not he lives or dies and throws himself rather carelessly into battle. Saving his future grandson-in-law during his LM and what that son-in-law tells him causes him to realize that he has more live for and is more useful to those who love him than he thought. It's the first time he talks seriously about it. Alright, then.
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Post by opuspace on Apr 4, 2019 1:12:01 GMT
Except that Ryder is Drack's team leader and has a need to know the state of his health to determine whether to take him into combat, to decide whether Drack is able to handle certain risks (taking a drink from Kadara's waters anyone?) and to be watchful for anything that isn't working right. If it was Tann or heaven forbid, another krogan, there would then be a risk. But this isn't a breach of protocol. I'm currently privy to certain things where I work that are extremely private of certain coworkers but because I work there, I'm entrusted not to blab outside the office. There is explicit warning that I will be fired if I give away specific information to strangers, but until then, I am entrusted with being notified of it so that I can operate fully functional without drag. Ryder would normally be informed by Lexi that Drack passed his physical and that he is cleared for operations.
So you're saying you have access to private information, that should a third party be versed in by you, you'd get fired? And you see no relation between that and what Lexi did? I think you're seeing Ryder as the outside party instead of being part of the select group of people who are on a need to know basis. Exceptions to confidentiality when it comes to things like medical or mental health can be broken for exceptional circumstances, like legal or medical intervention. Nothing is necessarily truly confidential if the need for its awareness supercedes the need for discretion. The point I'm trying to make is that personal information can be made aware to those working with you if it's relevant to your performance. Ryder is on the same level as Lexi: a party who has an investment in aiding Drack, not harming him. Even then, there's nothing Lexi revealed that compromises Drack. What can you use from what you've seen of him in those moments before he personally said anything that gives you an advantage over what you'd already start without if you had to kill him? It's basically nothing useful.
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