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Post by Grog Muffins on May 6, 2024 17:31:15 GMT
I really don´t want Varric for a third time in a row so is there any many better candidate than Harding? She was no real romance in DAI, she lives in all world states and stays with Inquisition regardless. She's also rather boring and uncomplicated to be a companion. The most interesting part of her character was already explored in Jaws of Hakkon and I genuinely don't think there's anything more interesting left unexplored about her. I haven't read the comic with her and Varric so I have no idea how she was handled there but if she suddenly becomes a murder hobo or suddenly has a dark past, that seems like a misrepresentation of the character type she was supped to be. She was fine to portray the normal person who joins the Inquisition just because she's that nice and she just wants to do the right thing that much and there isn't any dark secret or trauma or unresolved issues in her past, and she was a breath of fresh air for that portrayal (like a D&D character whose parents are still alive and actually quote loving and supportive) but that kind of character is also just rather boring from a meta perspective of what people you want to focus on when you write a story. It's the characters with issues, the ones a bit unhinged, the ones who struggle morally, that are the most entertaining to watch/follow. The sensible ones who have their lives together are nice as a switch up and meme but as a focus, a bit uninteresting.
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Post by Sartoz on May 6, 2024 17:32:04 GMT
I can see Harding being more of an Advisor than a full companion, if we stick with the "we need people Solas doesn't know". That may open up a place for another Dwarven companion. And what´s Varric role than Harding isn´t a companion? Sorry guys like it or not someone from Inquisition (game and faction) will be joining the DAD party. Aka the typical crossover companion like Oghren, Anders / Justice and Varric before. I really don´t want Varric for a third time in a row so is there any many better candidate than Harding? She was no real romance in DAI, she lives in all world states and stays with Inquisition regardless.
Last but not least for our usual companion DAD discussion well i have to brink up Calpernia and Mae(varis).
Isn't Calpernia loyal to Corypheus? This one mage is more likely a powerful adversary and on the side of Solas... I see someone that we must put down.... probably in ACT 3 when we are strong enough.
What I find interesting is Maevaris... a Tevinter Magister and a widow of the late Thorold who happens to be Varric's cousin. She's a good candidate to be seen in DA4. Why you ask? Maevaris was born male and identifies as a female. No-News-Bio will definitely promote this trans char into DA4, imo.
These two chars will be well written, if they appear.
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Post by Sartoz on May 6, 2024 17:37:00 GMT
I can see Harding being more of an Advisor than a full companion, if we stick with the "we need people Solas doesn't know". That may open up a place for another Dwarven companion. And what´s Varric role than Harding isn´t a companion? Sorry guys like it or not someone from Inquisition (game and faction) will be joining the DAD party. Aka the typical crossover companion like Oghren, Anders / Justice and Varric before. I really don´t want Varric for a third time in a row so is there any many better candidate than Harding? She was no real romance in DAI, she lives in all world states and stays with Inquisition regardless.
Last but not least for our usual companion DAD discussion well i have to brink up Calpernia and Mae(varis).
Harding is on the wish list of many around here. But, besides the "crossover' argument I see no compelling reason for this char to be in the game. However, given that closeup scene of her face in DAI,there's no surprise if she shows up. ... But I still see no justification.
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Post by celestielf on May 6, 2024 17:45:57 GMT
I mean, technically why can't we have two lady dwarf companions? We've been asking for them for a while now. No because Bioware focus way more on humans than the other races. If Dorian hadn´t a romance in DAI well no surprise he would be 100% returning as companion but he is a romance and Bioware won´t bring back previous romances as companions back. Harding is the next best option if they don´t choose Varric again.
Bioware's focus on humans is why I'd love to see more companions of other races instead . . . but yeah, whether they would actually do that remains to be seen. Did Bioware say somewhere that they won't re-use romanced companions? I know Leliana was just an advisor in DAI (and maybe that's all Dorian will be too, idk) but she could have been the HoF's romance and that was acknowledged in the game through dialogue.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on May 6, 2024 17:50:17 GMT
She's also rather boring and uncomplicated to be a companion. Again this argument. If Bioware can make DAO Merrill into an interesting companion they can do with everyone else. Also many years have passed since DAI and Trespasser so who knows.
Edit: Isabela in DAO was basically just Sex and the trainer for the Duelist specialization and Cassandra in DA 2 has only interrogated Varric.
Good writers will find a way for Harding if they want her in the game. And Bioware clearly have plans for Harding because the Netflix show wasn´t allowed to use Harding to be killed off.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on May 6, 2024 18:00:05 GMT
Isn't Calpernia loyal to Corypheus? This one mage is more likely a powerful adversary and on the side of Solas...
No because Corypheus is dead dead and second Corypheus wasn´t loyal towards Calpernia and only saw her as the vessel. Maybe you should really her quest in DAI again. Why? Calpernia isn´t a bad (also not a goody-two-shoes) person. I see her much more as unlikely ally which is the theme of DAD. The Inquisition as a faction was that important in DAI that it would feel wrong to have no one to represent this group in the DAD party.
Also who else from the Inquisition who isn´t a romance and always alive in all worldstates? Charter, Hector Dagna, Baron Edouard Desjardins, Rylen, Marius or Tessa? Sorry but Harding is still the best choice here. Did Bioware say somewhere that they won't re-use romanced companions? I know Leliana was just an advisor in DAI (and maybe that's all Dorian will be too, idk) but she could have been the HoF's romance and that was acknowledged in the game through dialogue.
This PC Gamer interview is a little than 10 years old but i highly doubt that they change their minds about this stuff.
PC Gamer: "Fair enough. What is your criteria for determining which characters do come back? Actually, not simply from the dead, but I mean from game to game. Why would Varric make the cut and not somebody else?"
Mark Darrah: "That's a good question. Some of it's based on just what the writers are excited about writing. But also, we look for a certain amount of balance between the character. There's a bunch of things that we're trying to do for balance. You want a certain degree of balance between the classes. You want a certain amount of balance between the genders and then a certain amount of balance between the romance options.
If you've had a character in a previous game that was a romance option typically we won't bring them back because they carry a lot of extra baggage with them. You're not going to have a romance option come back and certainly not have them be a romance option again because there's a lot of baggage that comes with that.
The player might get angry as well. “But they're in love with my previous character forever and ever and ever. How dare you?” I think there's validity to that. You can start to cross off a few characters because of that. We often don't bring back characters, at least not as followers, if they were previously romance options. You might see them. Alistair comes back because we can do cameos and have them have an influence on the story.
But additionally, some characters, Varric's a very good character because one of Varric's primary motivations is he's the guy that's got your back. He's your friend. He's a very good character to have because it's good to have someone in your camp no matter what. That makes him a very attractive character. It makes him an interesting character to have because he offers a nice counterpoint to a lot of other kinds of characters.
The other thing that causes us to bring someone back is someone that we're just simply not done with. That the arc is incomplete. Isabella between Origins and Dragon Age 2 is a good example of that. We introduced her, but there's just a lot more to be done with that. That's actually usually how we choose. Often characters move. We don't reuse followers very often. Obviously, we are reusing Varric. We typically promote secondary characters between games.
PC Gamer: "Right, so someone graduates from being a quest-giving NPC to being a companion."
Mark Darrah: "Yes."
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Post by QuizzyBunny on May 6, 2024 18:12:34 GMT
Yeah, companions whether it's DA or ME is usually pretty... human-centric. I'd be stoked if that ever changed, but I don't think it will happen in DA. I think in DAO it was 4 out of 9, in DA2 it was 5 out of 8 (counting your sibling) and in DAI it was 4 out of 9 (not counting one technically being a spirit but presenting as a human), so I expect about half of them to continue being human.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on May 6, 2024 18:21:38 GMT
Yeah, companions whether it's DA or ME is usually pretty... human-centric. I'd be stoked if that ever changed, but I don't think it will happen in DA. I think in DAO it was 4 out of 9, in DA2 it was 5 out of 8 (counting your sibling) and in DAI it was 4 out of 9 (not counting one technically being a spirit but presenting as a human), so I expect about half of them to continue being human. Agree. I would say that DAD has atleast 4 humans. 2 males and 2 females. Maybe even one more female. But to honest it doesn´t bother me that much as in ME. Controversy would be would prefer if Kasumi would have something else rather than the third human female.
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Post by Sartoz on May 6, 2024 18:24:59 GMT
I mean, technically why can't we have two lady dwarf companions? We've been asking for them for a while now. Re: Harding, I could see her as either an advisor or companion. But she doesn't really count as a carryover companion because she wasn't a companion in DAI. She'd be more like Isabela, who was an npc in DAO and a companion in DA2. I still think the carryover companion for DA4 will be Dorian. I think Varric will be an advisor and/or something will happen to him.
Yeah... but I see only one dwarf companion. Harding may be loyal, resourceful, daring and has a unique perspective but was not a romance option in DAI. So if she does show up it's to make her into a pivotal character and a romance option.... probably BI. Two (as companions)? stretching things I think.
Maevaris is more likely to show up rather that the big D. Other than as a facillitator for getting around the Tevinter High Class, there is no justification for him to show up. M is a trans char and that's up the studio's alley as promotional material. This char has a unique rep... fear and respect and few dare oppose M. Plus, has political experience and has ties to the dwarven Ambassadoria. M can be written as a powerful and influential figure.... thought gallivanting around Thedas may not be this trans choice of fun.
Question. Did the writers initially envisioned this char as a drag queen?
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Post by Grog Muffins on May 6, 2024 18:30:25 GMT
Again this argument. If Bioware can make DAO Merrill into an interesting companion they can do with everyone else. Also many years have passed since DAI and Trespasser so who knows.
Edit: Isabela in DAO was basically just Sex and the trainer for the Duelist specialization and Cassandra in DA 2 has only interrogated Varric.
Good writers will find a way for Harding if they want her in the game. And Bioware clearly have plans for Harding because the Netflix show wasn´t allowed to use Harding to be killed off.
Try with more eye rolling next time, you're not portraying your smugness enough in how right you think you are and I'm wrong in my subjective opinion. Your character examples aren't characters, they are talking plot devices that had barely anything to begin with so of course there was more to be added to them to make them into actual characters rather than lists of checkmarks. Harding is more complex than both Merrill and Isabela in DAO put together and, again, if she suddenly goes full edgy battlemaiden, that won't be Harding anymore. I'll say it again: I think Harding is boring. And that's fine. Boring people exist and have perfectly happy lives. They're just not usually the focus of stories.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on May 6, 2024 18:32:30 GMT
Maevaris is more likely to show up rather that the big D. Other than as a facillitator for getting around the Tevinter High Class, there is no justification for him to show up.
Like Mae Dorian is the leader of the Lucerni faction so i would be shock if he doesn´t have a major part in a game which likely focus more on Tevinter. Mae is a statement and apology. Remember Andromedas Hainly Abrams?
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on May 6, 2024 18:45:55 GMT
Try with more eye rolling next time, you're not portraying your smugness enough in how right you think you are and I'm wrong in my subjective opinion. I'll say it again: I think Harding is boring. And that's fine. Boring people exist and have perfectly happy lives. They're just not usually the focus of stories. Maybe i really should because our argument isn´t something new over the last 8 years. So yeah i find this quite annoying to hear this argument over and over again. So you shouldn´t take this too personal. Why not? We don´t know what happen to her over the years and people can change / grow up.
If Dreadwolf really take place at 9:52 or even later that´s atleast 8 years after Trepasser. And we haven´t seen her in Trespasser.
Also i don´t think that Harding will be a boring character. Why what is boring exactly? Blackwall or Sebastian level? Or really not care like the dwarven Dace brothers from the Golems of Amgarrak DLC? Edit: By the way of all of the three DAD companions candidates Calpernia, Lace Harding and Maevaris. Lace would be my least favourite. Calpernia is way more interesting as character but she less of a sympathetic person than Lace Harding.
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Post by Grog Muffins on May 6, 2024 19:07:00 GMT
Try with more eye rolling next time, you're not portraying your smugness enough in how right you think you are and I'm wrong in my subjective opinion. I'll say it again: I think Harding is boring. And that's fine. Boring people exist and have perfectly happy lives. They're just not usually the focus of stories. Maybe i really should because our argument isn´t something new over the last 8 years. So yeah i find this quite annoying to hear this argument over and over again. So you shouldn´t take this too personal. Why not? We don´t know what happen to her over the years and people can change / grow up.
If Dreadwolf really take place at 9:52 or even later that´s atleast 8 years after Trepasser. And we haven´t seen her in Trespasser.
Also i don´t think that Harding will be a boring character. Why what is boring exactly? Blackwall or Sebastian level? Or really not care like the dwarven Dace brothers from the Golems of Amgarrak DLC?
If after 8 years this is your reaction to opinions you don't agree with maybe you're taking things a bit too personally. You know what else is not new? People thinking that their favorite characters being called boring is some kind of personal attack on them or something they need to make internet discourse about. So what if I think Harding is boring? I already explained why I think she's boring, read my full post you dismissed if you're actually interested (I doubt you are, you seem to just wanna be right, good luck with that when you're talking about subjective opinions). I don't have any power with Bioware that if I find her boring that means she won't be in the game , I'm just expressing an opinion, sorry for not perpetuating an echo chamber. I think she's boring, I think other characters are boring, there are plenty of characters I don't like for various reasons, and they're all still around. My opinion means nothing to Bioware's plans, I'm writing into the void just like you. Maybe I'm crotchety and waifu culture is just irritating to me.
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Post by The Loyal Nub on May 6, 2024 19:16:07 GMT
Man, they really need to drop a trailer don't they?
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Post by g_scoundrel on May 6, 2024 19:21:27 GMT
I'm a bit jealous of those who'll be awake in two hours and afterwards cause the earnings call will be held when I'll be sleeping (unless I'm confusing timezones like I always do)
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on May 6, 2024 19:25:41 GMT
If after 8 years this is your reaction to opinions you don't agree with maybe you're taking things a bit too personally. No i find your argument nothing new and quite boring. I still stand with my statement regardless what i think about character x if Bioware can DAO Merill make into a companion there is no reason besides being a quantum character of course why character y can´t be a companion in the next game.
Do want to know a shocking twist? You aren´t wrong that Harding isn´t a bit boring of a character. On a personal note like i said i prefer Calpernia and Maevaris over her but that doesn´t change my more factually view that Harding is the best and most logic choice for a cross over companion within the Bioware rules. Do i like Dorian more? Yes i do but we can rule out Dorian and therefore Harding does make more sense.
So no that´s not a personal attack or so because it doesn´t matter for this discussion if person A likes something what person B doesn´t like. For Bioware its totally ok that the players don´t like all of the characters. I am arguing more on the factual position what is the best choice for a crossover companion.Oh it isn´t that hard to speculate if you read their interviews and have a bit of understanding of their overall plans and design process. Sure there are things that clearly have surprise me like Sandal and Bodahn not being in DAI and Samson had returned so yeah there would be a few characters which surprise me but Harding, Maevaris and Calpernia come on.
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Post by Sandetiger on May 6, 2024 19:31:00 GMT
Mae is a statement and apology. Remember Andromedas Hainly Abrams? Maevaris is definitely not "an apology and a statement" with the implication that her appearance is subsequently causative to what happened with Hainly Abrams from MEA. She first appeared in Those Who Speak (2012), then Until We Sleep (2013), and then she is mentioned in Dragon Age: Inquisition several times. We learn that Mae is trans in Until We Sleep (2013), long before Krem is revealed in the base game and long long long before the issues with Hainly Abrams.
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Post by Sandetiger on May 6, 2024 19:32:02 GMT
I'm a bit jealous of those who'll be awake in two hours and afterwards cause the earnings call will be held when I'll be sleeping (unless I'm confusing timezones like I always do) Sorry to break it to ya, but you are mistaken! The earnings call isn't for another ~25.5 hours. Some rough breakdowns of timezones/dates Tuesday May 7th 20242pm PT (Pacific) 3pm MT (Mountain) 4pm CT (Central) 5pm ET (Eastern) 6pm UTC-1 (Brazil) 10pm UTC+1 (UK) 11pm UTC+2 (Most of the rest of western Europe) May 8th 2024 12am UTC+3 (Eastern Europe) 6am UTC+9 (Japan) (plus or minus an hour for Australia)
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Post by Grog Muffins on May 6, 2024 19:34:07 GMT
[...] I still stand with my statement regardless what i think about character x [...] but that doesn´t change my more factually view that Harding is the best and most logic choice
My guy, I don't have an issue with your opinion. I wanted to have a discussion with you based on different opinions. What I have an issue with is the attitude you have towards opinions different from yours. Shockingly, you can talk to people who hold different views without acting all smug and superior. How is that such a hard concept to understand? I'm done. Bring on that reveal already so I know if there're going to be other threads on this forum to visit.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on May 6, 2024 19:35:50 GMT
Maevaris is definitely not "an apology and a statement" with the implication that her appearance is subsequently causative to what happened with Hainly Abrams from MEA. She first appeared in Those Who Speak (2012), then Until We Sleep (2013), and then she is mentioned in Dragon Age: Inquisition several times. We learn that Mae is trans in Until We Sleep (2013), long before Krem is revealed in the base game and long long long before the issues with Hainly Abrams. I know that. And still think that having a good writen transgender companion which hasn´t to be Mae by the way would be a big statement and after Andromeda (haven´t played Anthem so i don´t know if this game has any trans character in it) this would a fine apology.
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Post by Grog Muffins on May 6, 2024 19:39:33 GMT
Mae is a statement and apology. Remember Andromedas Hainly Abrams? Maevaris is definitely not "an apology and a statement" with the implication that her appearance is subsequently causative to what happened with Hainly Abrams from MEA. She first appeared in Those Who Speak (2012), then Until We Sleep (2013), and then she is mentioned in Dragon Age: Inquisition several times. We learn that Mae is trans in Until We Sleep (2013), long before Krem is revealed in the base game and long long long before the issues with Hainly Abrams. There were 2 instances of trans/drag queen characters in DA presented in a not so favorable light and used mainly for shock or comedy value (one was in the Pearl in Denerim and the other was Bran's escort in the Mark of the Assassin DLC). If memory serves, Bioware was criticized for these characters so Mae is a much better and thoughtful portrayal of a trans character.
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Post by colfoley on May 6, 2024 19:41:22 GMT
I'm a bit jealous of those who'll be awake in two hours and afterwards cause the earnings call will be held when I'll be sleeping (unless I'm confusing timezones like I always do) Sorry to break it to ya, but you are mistaken! The earnings call isn't for another ~25.5 hours. ugh that means I'll be awake for it most likely. Was hoping to get up and be surprised pleasantly or disappointed since most news either happens when I'm sleeping or at work. Either way though so nervous about it.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on May 6, 2024 19:45:40 GMT
My guy, I don't have an issue with your opinion. I doubt that but whatever... Well sorry that i am too direct. Maybe my german and dutch heritage is too strong that i sometimes say honestly what i think. And yes sorry to say but the truth is your argument which has been brought up by many other people here (in this forum or in others) has irritated in a bad way. So you shouldn´t take this too personal.
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Post by g_scoundrel on May 6, 2024 19:47:46 GMT
I'm a bit jealous of those who'll be awake in two hours and afterwards cause the earnings call will be held when I'll be sleeping (unless I'm confusing timezones like I always do) Sorry to break it to ya, but you are mistaken! The earnings call isn't for another ~25.5 hours. Some rough breakdowns of timezones/dates Tuesday May 7th 20242pm PT (Pacific) 3pm MT (Mountain) 4pm CT (Central) 5pm ET (Eastern) 6pm UTC-1 (Brazil) 10pm UTC+1 (UK) 11pm UTC+2 (Most of the rest of western Europe) May 8th 2024 12am UTC+3 (Eastern Europe) 6am UTC+9 (Japan) (plus or minus an hour for Australia) Thank you for clarification. It means I may go to sleep peacefully.
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Post by Sandetiger on May 6, 2024 19:52:09 GMT
For those that want to listen in, the Event Details page can be accessed here. There is an option to select "webcast" and sign up for the webcast to listen to it in real time. You can either create a Q4 account, sign up with an existing Q4 account, or there is an option to sign up for the webcast as a guest.
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