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Post by colfoley on Jun 17, 2024 20:37:29 GMT
I don't think ad hominum means what you think it means. There is no personal attack against you in what I've written and I defy you to find it. If it's against Solas he's a fictional character and therefore I can make no ad hominum attack against someone who does not actually exist. I think arguing further about this is pointless as you will be determined to take every countering argument personally. Ad hominem is not just "a personal attack", it's something directed against a person rather than position they are holding - so yes, "you're holding your position because you like them" is a type of ad hominem attack. Keep that in mind in the future. If you don't want "silly theatrics", then focus on actual argument rather than starting with "I get it - you're a 100% Solas diehard", immediately suggesting that a person you're talking with is hopelessly biased. You must've therefore missed part like when Inquisitor asked why Solas created the Veil and he responded with "because every other alternative was worse". Also - information corroborating Solas's assessment of what happened, and e.g. how big of arseholes Evanuris were they are is supported by evidence separate from Solas that we can find in Inquisition, Trespasser, and materials like Tevinter Nights. Bits of DAve too. I would've gone with strawman personally. Though there is certainly a insinuation that anyone who supports Solas even a little, or tries to understand him, is nuts.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 17, 2024 20:56:24 GMT
You must've therefore missed part like when Inquisitor asked why Solas created the Veil and he responded with "because every other alternative was worse". I remembered this but the problem I've always had, which the Inquisitor raises in Trespasser, is that if this was the least bad option, why does he want to reverse it? He admitted it would free the evil gods, even if he maintained he "had plans" for them. He admits the alternatives to the Veil last time were worse, so what's changed? What plan could he have this time round that he hadn't thought of before? He seems convinced that reversing his action may make things better for those that survive it but it all seems a bit vague to me. He even says to Charter that those who remain " may even find it better, when it is done." So he isn't even certain it will be better or that those elves who survive will appreciate that it is. So really it is all going to be down to chance again and that once again he thinks his ritual is the least bad option. The really ironic part is that he maintains he isn't a god, yet he sure as hell is acting like one, thinking he should be the sole arbiter of the fate of the world.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 17, 2024 20:58:50 GMT
You must've therefore missed part like when Inquisitor asked why Solas created the Veil and he responded with "because every other alternative was worse". I remembered this but the problem I've always had, which the Inquisitor raises in Trespasser, is that if this was the least bad option, why does he want to reverse it? He admitted it would free the evil gods, even if he maintained he "had plans" for them. He admits the alternatives to the Veil last time were worse, so what's changed? What plan could he have this time round that he hadn't thought of before? He seems convinced that reversing his action may make things better for those that survive it but it all seems a bit vague to me. He even says to Charter that those who remain " may even find it better, when it is done." So he isn't even certain it will be better or that those elves who survive will appreciate that it is. So really it is all going to be down to chance again and that once again he thinks his ritual is the least bad option. The really ironic part is that he maintains he isn't a god, yet he sure as hell is acting like one, thinking he should be the sole arbiter of the fate of the world. probably the Blight got out anyway.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Jun 17, 2024 21:11:00 GMT
I remembered this but the problem I've always had, which the Inquisitor raises in Trespasser, is that if this was the least bad option, why does he want to reverse it? For one, it's possible he decided that the consequences just wasn't worth it once he saw it in front of his eyes. It's also possible that his actions last time were rash out of desperation, and that he now feels like he has time to plan and make counter-measures. It's also possible that the magisters entering the Fade caused something to be set into motion he feels can't be ignored (perhaps the very thing that initially made him put up the Veil?).
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 17, 2024 21:32:36 GMT
You must've therefore missed part like when Inquisitor asked why Solas created the Veil and he responded with "because every other alternative was worse". I remembered this but the problem I've always had, which the Inquisitor raises in Trespasser, is that if this was the least bad option, why does he want to reverse it? He admitted it would free the evil gods, even if he maintained he "had plans" for them. And as we see in fragments of DAVe we have access to already, it's quite apparent that Evanuris are unleashed only after the ritual goes sideways. Anyway, I'm pretty sure we're going to hear more of Solas' reason in DAVe, but it's not like Solas isn't upfront about at least some things in Trespasser, like the Veil cutting most people's conscious connection to the Fade, and pushing the Fade itself away from the physical world. Things could have changed, but why even assume they did? If the Veil was indeed a last-ditch effort, we can't assume that it was a Perfect Solution that's meant to be permanent (or that only its existence prevents Evanuris from returning - both myths and Cole mention springing some sort of trap on mage-kings) - otherwise, why would Solas cling to life and let his Orb soak-up power, if he didn't plan to return and do something to the Veil; be it either dismantle it, or enforce another part of the plan related to it. After all, Solas makes it quite clear in Trespasser (supported by Cole saying that the Wolf chewed its leg off to escape the trap) that lifting the Veil had an adverse effect on him - it injured him in some esoteric way and drained him so much, that he was unconscious for millennia and awoke still weak, and thus unable to open his Orb. So the reason why he only awoke right now and plans to do something about the Veil may as well be as simple as him only now regaining strength to do so (the other plausible reason being that Something Else Is About To Happen, probably related to the Blight or - as Mythal put it - the reckoning that will shake the very heavens). You mean, like Inquisitor? Or Warden? Most of our heroes were put in situations when they've had to make decisions that put the fate of the world (or at least: the fate of many) at stake. In Trespasser Inquisitor was even called out for that. Yet they also decide to make chasing Solas their personal mission only a small group of people is clued in - be it because of circumstances, or the fact that they know Solas, and they know many things about the world that others are quite ready to dismiss, disbelieve or even treat as punishable heresy.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Jun 17, 2024 21:47:41 GMT
Like, our Warden potentially preserved the soul of an Old God... And we have no idea what consequences that could have. Or potentially sparing the Architect.
And look at Hawke having the brilliant idea of releasing Cory-face to kill him, that went according to plan am I right?
Point being, our heroes sometimes make choices where the outcome can't easily be predicted. It's easy to sit with hindsight and dictate what's a good idea or not.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 17, 2024 21:55:02 GMT
Like, our Warden potentially preserved the soul of an Old God... And we have no idea what consequences that could have. Or potentially sparing the Architect. And look at Hawke having the brilliant idea of releasing Cory-face to kill him, that went according to plan am I right? Point being, our heroes sometimes make choices where the outcome cant easily be predicted. It's easy to sit with hindsight and dictate what's a good idea or not. I think we can add our future Inquisitor rushing in to discover and disrupt Corypheus sacrificing Justinia, and lifting an artefact they have no first clue about what it can do, only to have an... explosive revelation
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Jun 17, 2024 22:17:40 GMT
It'd definitely put the events behind the birth of the Imperium, and the enslavement of the elves on a even more twisted path if the Evanuris are the OG. I do personally find the theory of the OG being more reasonable, personally, but I do think we're going to find the truth either way. While I'm curious about Evanuris, their relation to the Blight and events that led to mage-kings downfall and the destruction of Elvenhan I have a feeling that a lot of DAVe will revolve around untangling those mysteries - but I hope that we're going to get some new information on Forgotten Ones, Forbidden Ones and factions like Executors as well. We're up to DA4 so logically it is time to punch the last (as far as we know) Forbidden One in the face! Perhaps if we hit it hard enough lore will fall out?
I hope the Formless One is a tougher fight than Imshael; I'm hoping for a return to the puzzle boss quality of Kangaxx and Xebenkeck. (Sure 'use all the magebane you have' and 'simply leave the room' are easy tricks once you know them, but that doesn't mean I didn't die like a chump the first time I fought those two.)
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Post by The Loyal Nub on Jun 17, 2024 22:20:13 GMT
Can the mods create a thread for Solas discussions and move all discussions of Solas that are not Veilguard NEWS to that section and I will promise not to participate in the Solas thread until the game is released.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 17, 2024 22:33:26 GMT
While I'm curious about Evanuris, their relation to the Blight and events that led to mage-kings downfall and the destruction of Elvenhan I have a feeling that a lot of DAVe will revolve around untangling those mysteries - but I hope that we're going to get some new information on Forgotten Ones, Forbidden Ones and factions like Executors as well. We're up to DA4 so logically it is time to punch the last (as far as we know) Forbidden One in the face! Perhaps if we hit it hard enough lore will fall out?
I hope the Formless One is a tougher fight than Imshael; I'm hoping for a return to the puzzle boss quality of Kangaxx and Xebenkeck. (Sure 'use all the magebane you have' and 'simply leave the room' are easy tricks once you know them, but that doesn't mean I didn't die like a chump the first time I fought those two.) I occasionally keep thinking about JOH and Geldauran's Claim... like: dude, who exactly are you and what do you mean by all that???Anyway, do we assume that all the demons we killed we *actually* killed, or will they show up for some more arse kicking?
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I occasionally keep thinking about JOH and Geldauran's Claim... like: dude, who exactly are you and what do you mean by all that???I feel like the game has to tell us SOMETHING about the Forgotten Ones this time around. Surely one of the released Evanuris will spill the beans about what they even are? We know that spirits can reform themselves, so I certainly don't think they're gone forever. I don't know which is the funnier option: the Formless One shows up with all of its friends, or Rook beats it up in Veilguard and walks away whistling and dusting off their hands only for the DA5 protagonist to have to fight all four of them at once.
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Post by The Loyal Nub on Jun 17, 2024 23:05:50 GMT
ad ho·mi·nem /ˌad ˈhämənəm/ adjective (of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining. "vicious ad hominem attacks" adverb 1. in a way that is directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining. "these points come from some of our best information sources, who realize they'll be attacked ad hominem" 2. in a way that relates to or is associated with a particular person. "the office was created ad hominem for Fenton"
I am really pissed about this insufferable bullshit and pissed enough to post the dictionary's definition of ad hominen. Pin it. That way you'll know what it is.
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Post by azarhal on Jun 17, 2024 23:46:34 GMT
This game info is all over the place. I've been wondering what the resource for Warrior was and it's called Rage. I found it in an article I haven't seen before while trying to find another article I read last week. Rogue momentum: build via attacking, dodging, parrying and lose some when hit. Warrior rage: build more slowly, but they don't lose any on hit. Another article I saw mentioned that Rogue had the resource that built the fastest of the 3.
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This game info is all over the place. I've been wondering what the resource for Warrior was and it's called Rage. I found it in an article I haven't seen before while trying to find another article I read last week. Rogue momentum: build via attacking, dodging, parrying and lose some when hit. Warrior rage: build more slowly, but they don't lose any on hit. Another article I saw mentioned that Rogue had the resource that built the fastest of the 3. Three different resources for each class? Seems they are going out of their way to make each class fully distinct in this one rather then all the same ish. One of my big wishes if classes were to return.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 17, 2024 23:53:09 GMT
ad ho·mi·nem /ˌad ˈhämənəm/ adjective (of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining. "vicious ad hominem attacks" adverb 1. in a way that is directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining. "these points come from some of our best information sources, who realize they'll be attacked ad hominem" 2. in a way that relates to or is associated with a particular person. "the office was created ad hominem for Fenton" I am really pissed about this insufferable bullshit and pissed enough to post the dictionary's definition of ad hominen. Pin it. That way you'll know what it is. I don't see anything here that goes against anything I've said before - because using someone's likes or dislikes (a personal thing), instead of focusing on argument, falls decidedly into an argument/reaction being directed against a person, instead of a position they're maintaining. That's all I have to say in this area, as the discussion has moved on.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 17, 2024 23:59:42 GMT
I occasionally keep thinking about JOH and Geldauran's Claim... like: dude, who exactly are you and what do you mean by all that???I feel like the game has to tell us SOMETHING about the Forgotten Ones this time around. Surely one of the released Evanuris will spill the beans about what they even are? We know that spirits can reform themselves, so I certainly don't think they're gone forever. I don't know which is the funnier option: the Formless One shows up with all of its friends, or Rook beats it up in Veilguard and walks away whistling and dusting off their hands only for the DA5 protagonist to have to fight all four of them at once. I've been wondering if Forgotten Ones may perhaps be friends of Solas (Solas did mention that Fen'Harel inspired fear in his enemies and courage in his friends, or something like it), but then again the codex in DAI mentions something about them being involved in some sort of "endless war" with Evanuris. Also, I have to wonder whether - if they do show up - they're going to be more friends or foes? Because that manifesto of Geldauran did feel rather sinister... As for the Forbidden Ones - we're told there's 4 of them, but I have a sneaking suspicion that Cekorax from Tevinter Nights is one too? So it may as well be that we'll defeat them all, and then - suddenly - there's more!
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Post by colfoley on Jun 18, 2024 0:02:53 GMT
I feel like the game has to tell us SOMETHING about the Forgotten Ones this time around. Surely one of the released Evanuris will spill the beans about what they even are? We know that spirits can reform themselves, so I certainly don't think they're gone forever. I don't know which is the funnier option: the Formless One shows up with all of its friends, or Rook beats it up in Veilguard and walks away whistling and dusting off their hands only for the DA5 protagonist to have to fight all four of them at once. I've been wondering if Forgotten Ones may perhaps be friends of Solas (Solas did mention that Fen'Harel inspired fear in his enemies and courage in his friends, or something like it), but then again the codex in DAI mentions something about them being involved in some sort of "endless war" with Evanuris. Also, I have to wonder whether - if they do show up - they're going to be more friends or foes? Because that manifesto of Geldauran did feel rather sinister... As for the Forbidden Ones - we're told there's 4 of them, but I have a sneaking suspicion that Cekorax from Tevinter Nights isn't one of them? So it may as well be that we'll defeat them all, and then suddenly find out there's more of them Just because one side of a war was crap does not automatically make the other side any good or even better then the side we do know about. Still likely that the Forgotten Ones were quite horible to. Indeed maybe the Evanuris started off as being fairly benign but got more twisted the more they had to fight the war + ANdruil's discovery of what was likely the proto blight.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 18, 2024 0:10:28 GMT
I've been wondering if Forgotten Ones may perhaps be friends of Solas (Solas did mention that Fen'Harel inspired fear in his enemies and courage in his friends, or something like it), but then again the codex in DAI mentions something about them being involved in some sort of "endless war" with Evanuris. Also, I have to wonder whether - if they do show up - they're going to be more friends or foes? Because that manifesto of Geldauran did feel rather sinister... As for the Forbidden Ones - we're told there's 4 of them, but I have a sneaking suspicion that Cekorax from Tevinter Nights isn't one of them? So it may as well be that we'll defeat them all, and then suddenly find out there's more of them Just because one side of a war was crap does not automatically make the other side any good or even better then the side we do know about. Still likely that the Forgotten Ones were quite horible to. Indeed maybe the Evanuris started off as being fairly benign but got more twisted the more they had to fight the war + ANdruil's discovery of what was likely the proto blight. True, but they are consistently characterized as foes of Evanuris, and at least 2 of those are likely the main baddies of DAVe. So it's not that unlikely that perhaps they'd pop up from somewhere and offer some sort of advantage against them. If that (or something similar) would ever be the case, it'd be nice to know if they could at least be allies of convenience, or will they be complete and utter chaos monkeys?
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Post by colfoley on Jun 18, 2024 0:15:47 GMT
Just because one side of a war was crap does not automatically make the other side any good or even better then the side we do know about. Still likely that the Forgotten Ones were quite horible to. Indeed maybe the Evanuris started off as being fairly benign but got more twisted the more they had to fight the war + ANdruil's discovery of what was likely the proto blight. True, but they are consistently characterized as foes of Evanuris, and at least 2 of those are likely the main baddies of DAVe. So it's not that unlikely that perhaps they'd pop up from somewhere and offer some sort of advantage against them. If that (or something similar) would ever be the case, it'd be nice to know if they could at least be allies of convenience, or will they be complete and utter chaos monkeys? Well the most likely candidate for them in this case would be the Titans, some of them, so the most likely answer is we will see them in DAV.
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Jez @jezcordenwe all agree it's called Dragon Age: Veilguard, right? not "The" Veilguard. Lol... I've already forgotten the " The".
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Post by colfoley on Jun 18, 2024 0:27:55 GMT
It be like: Dragon Age: the Veilguard.
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Post by eaglepursuit on Jun 18, 2024 0:28:33 GMT
Jez @jezcordenwe all agree it's called Dragon Age: Veilguard, right? not "The" Veilguard. Lol... I've already forgotten the " The". Patrick Weekes has been omitting "the" as well. I think we are all of like mind in this.
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