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Post by Rascoth on Jun 17, 2024 17:34:51 GMT
I wonder if there will be achievements based on the difficulty you completed the game; I know they had them in ME, but not sure they ever did in DA. They had some difficulty-related achievements for DAO's DLCs (iirc for The Golems of Amgarrak and Witch Hunt) and base DAI.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jun 17, 2024 17:45:07 GMT
If that's what they did, then from my perspective they ruined mage combat. I was initially excited about having healing spells back, but it doesn't matter now because with only 3 spells I will never take a healing spell. I love doing spell combos. 2 combo spells + an aoe spell would be all my slots filled. You'll be doing combos with the companions abilities (or combo your companions ability together) or slot healing to one of your companions and use the ability from the wheel (it's core mage, so all 3 mages should have it and Harding is also getting an healing ability). And nothing says that aoe spells can't prime effects or detonate.
I find it crazy how people call something ruined before they can even try the new version. It's going to be different, players will have to adapt, but you can't say it's bad until you actually try it. Agreed I ha dquestion marks over Andromeda a tfirs twit hth ewhol eno pause t oaim stuf lik ethe yhad in the trilog yand the fact the y ewnt foonl y3 activ epowers instead o f 8in th etrilog y but in the en d after playin gaftre playin gAndromeda it mad esens et ome as you don' tneed the paus et oaim in MEA you jus tchoos ethe power an dit'l lautomaticall yhit th etarget. Yes yo don' t hav eas ma ny optoins but b yho wth egam eworks at leas tfo rme I fel tcool downs ewre quicker an th game as a whole felt a faster flowing gam e. I still hav em ydoubts about Veilguards speed but unti lI hav em yhands on th egame I'm no tgoing t ojudge i tunfairly becaus ei tdoes look like at least to me as though there's a lo tof good stuff in there. So until then I'm saving any judgements I make unti lI play
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Post by fairdragon on Jun 17, 2024 17:53:00 GMT
What do you all think Solas fate be? I love her videos and this is interessting.
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Post by Reznore on Jun 17, 2024 18:08:27 GMT
Folks needs to stop drinking the Kool Aid ASAP, Solas is willing to "sacrifice himself"? The guy who is causing another wave of mass casualties (third one we know of) and the same guy who goes " this isn't the story of my downfall, Varric". I find some people take on Solas worrying.
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Post by fairdragon on Jun 17, 2024 18:09:05 GMT
so, what can we expect from this Game Informer coverage tomorrow? more details about things that were already revealed? more reveals? She talk about it here. So have a look.
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What do you all think Solas fate be? I love her videos and this is interessting. I've no idea. However whether or not he lives or dies a theme of this game is "regret." Solas must be made to feel more keenly that he and the arrogance of the other elf mages that became would-be gods brought about their own destruction and the destruction of their nation. He may come to realize that by tearing apart the veil anew he may bring about the destruction of what little remains of the elves. It might be far better for the elves of Thedas if they found a homeland to discover themselves anew without worship of their false gods.
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Post by g_scoundrel on Jun 17, 2024 18:13:18 GMT
Maker's breath, I can't wait for expansion of the lore. The Executors, Kal Sharok, the First Warden, lesser known Magisters, and solid proof on whose Evanuris helmet/headpiece belongs to whom. It's a good thing fall's not that far.
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Post by sloth on Jun 17, 2024 18:18:56 GMT
so, what can we expect from this Game Informer coverage tomorrow? more details about things that were already revealed? more reveals? She talk about it here. So have a look.
great! I'll have a look, thanks!
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Post by Beerfish on Jun 17, 2024 18:24:40 GMT
Folks needs to stop drinking the Kool Aid ASAP, Solas is willing to "sacrifice himself"? The guy who is causing another wave of mass casualties (third one we know of) and the same guy who goes " this isn't the story of my downfall, Varric". I find some people take on Solas worrying. If they pull a third Saren, then T.I.M. and now solas at the last minute being talked into offing himself for the great good I'll be enraged.
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Post by fairdragon on Jun 17, 2024 18:24:45 GMT
Maker's breath, I can't wait for expansion of the lore. The Executors, Kal Sharok, the First Warden, lesser known Magisters, and solid proof on whose Evanuris helmet/headpiece belongs to whom. It's a good thing fall's not that far. Dragon age lore is always the best . Their will be much to learn. Maybe Bioware hear my pray and we get another race. This is all so exciting.
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Post by fairdragon on Jun 17, 2024 18:27:26 GMT
Folks needs to stop drinking the Kool Aid ASAP, Solas is willing to "sacrifice himself"? The guy who is causing another wave of mass casualties (third one we know of) and the same guy who goes " this isn't the story of my downfall, Varric". I find some people take on Solas worrying. If they pull a third Saren, then T.I.M. and now solas at the last minute being talked into offing himself for the great good I'll be enraged. They have to give us more than one ending with him. I cann't see them say: "Oh year, what your Inquisitior decieded doesn't matter, even when the person is in the game"
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 17, 2024 18:31:47 GMT
What do you all think Solas fate be? I love her videos and this is interessting.
I've no idea. However whether or not he lives or dies a theme of this game is "regret." Solas must be made to feel more keenly that he and the arrogance of the other elf mages that became would-be gods brought about their own destruction and the destruction of their nation. He may come to realize that by tearing apart the veil anew he may bring about the destruction of what little remains of the elves. It might be far better for the elves of Thedas if they found a homeland to discover the Um... the theme of this game isn't "make someone experience regret". AFAIK this is more in line with what devs said: "A prominent theme for the game is how regret shapes peoples lives; how people deal with their regret, how people can move past regret, etc."And it makes sense, because if one listens to what actually Solas says in Inquisition and Trespasser, he's actually full of regret: he keeps beating himself for myriad things he's done, and it's *exactly* the reason why he acts. Not pride - or, at least, not just pride: regret. If anything, we'll likely be there to help him move past his crippling regret (at least those of us who won't choose the 'just stab him' route, I guess).
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Post by The Loyal Nub on Jun 17, 2024 18:31:48 GMT
Lore?
I just got done watching this: over 90 minutes of Thedas history and lore.
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Post by luketrevelyan on Jun 17, 2024 18:34:20 GMT
If they pull a third Saren, then T.I.M. and now solas at the last minute being talked into offing himself for the great good I'll be enraged. They have to give us more than one ending with him. I cann't see them say: "Oh year, what your Inquisitior decieded doesn't matter, even when the person is in the game" I really hope our choices (along with our Inquisitor's) shape the final outcome for Solas. I'd like to play through with different outcomes for different types of characters.
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Post by The Loyal Nub on Jun 17, 2024 18:38:54 GMT
I've no idea. However whether or not he lives or dies a theme of this game is "regret." Solas must be made to feel more keenly that he and the arrogance of the other elf mages that became would-be gods brought about their own destruction and the destruction of their nation. He may come to realize that by tearing apart the veil anew he may bring about the destruction of what little remains of the elves. It might be far better for the elves of Thedas if they found a homeland to discover the Um... the theme of this game isn't "make someone experience regret". AFAIK this is more in line with what devs said: "A prominent theme for the game is how regret shapes peoples lives; how people deal with their regret, how people can move past regret, etc."And it makes sense, because if one listens to what actually Solas says in Inquisition and Trespasser, he's actually full of regret: he keeps beating himself for myriad things he's done, and it's *exactly* the reason why he acts. Not pride - or, at least, not just pride: regret. If anything, we'll likely be there to help him move past his crippling regret (at least those of us who choose the 'just stab him' route, I guess). I get it. You're 100% behind Solas. Solas was one of the elven mages who became living-gods and tyrants. Bully for him that Mythal and he decided to become "kind" to the peons. Solas got so kind that he literally destroyed an entire civilization just to attempt to imprison the false gods (of which he was one). Elven society collapsed. They lost immortality. They were defeated and their lands taken by Tevinter and worse they were taken as slaves for over a millennia. Then when some were freed they trekked to a new home and oh irony they continued to worship the false gods until they lost their new kingdom and even more of the memories of their culture. Solas is responsible for so much misery and suffering and death. He's like a mad scientist who must be locked out of his laboratory. Yes, I'd stab him immediately. He should not get to decide the fate of Thedas or the fate of the elves. Solas is the mistake.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 17, 2024 18:59:02 GMT
Um... the theme of this game isn't "make someone experience regret". AFAIK this is more in line with what devs said: "A prominent theme for the game is how regret shapes peoples lives; how people deal with their regret, how people can move past regret, etc."And it makes sense, because if one listens to what actually Solas says in Inquisition and Trespasser, he's actually full of regret: he keeps beating himself for myriad things he's done, and it's *exactly* the reason why he acts. Not pride - or, at least, not just pride: regret. If anything, we'll likely be there to help him move past his crippling regret (at least those of us who choose the 'just stab him' route, I guess). I get it. You're 100% behind Solas. Solas was one of the elven mages who became living-gods and tyrants. Bully for him that Mythal and he decided to become "kind" to the peons. Solas got so kind that he literally destroyed an entire civilization just to attempt to imprison the false gods (of which he was one). Elven society collapsed. They lost immortality. They were defeated and their lands taken by Tevinter and worse they were taken as slaves for over a millennia. Then when some were freed they trekked to a new home and oh irony they continued to worship the false gods until they lost their new kingdom and even more of the memories of their culture. Solas is responsible for so much misery and suffering and death. He's like a mad scientist who must be locked out of his laboratory. Yes, I'd stab him immediately. He should not get to decide the fate of Thedas or the fate of the elves. Solas is the mistake. Well no, apparently you don't get it, so could you please refrain from using an ad hominem to try and win an argument? Viewing Solas as something different than "mad scientist" doesn't mean I'm "100% behind Solas." You sound exactly like people who doubted Inquisitor would be back, and their argument was almost always "You just say they'll be back because you're attached to them". No, I'm simply following what's present in the story. And the "mad scientist" version of Solas is simply not there. What is there, however, is someone who's decided to act - like Warden, Hawke, Inky or Rook - and in a dire moment of time, when the mad god-kings were at the cusp of doing something that could destroy the entire world, he's made a difficult decision. It has destroyed a civilization, but has otherwise allowed people/Thedas to survive. I find it surprising that it's the sort of version of events that some people just refuse to consider even as a possibility - and I have to wonder why? Is it because good deeds of decent people should always be rewarded with objectively good outcomes? Decent people can never be put in a hopeless situations and crappy dilemmas? And then, by being decent people, regardless how few options they've had, they can't be scarred by trauma and regret for having to make those decisions? You know, kinda like how it often happens IRL?
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 17, 2024 18:59:36 GMT
Folks needs to stop drinking the Kool Aid ASAP, Solas is willing to "sacrifice himself"? The guy who is causing another wave of mass casualties (third one we know of) and the same guy who goes " this isn't the story of my downfall, Varric". I find some people take on Solas worrying. "Willing to sacrifice himself for his cause" Please, if you're quoting someone, quote them fully. Also, please portray character actions in full context - Solas didn't just 'cause waves of mass casualties' for the lulz. We can have different opinions about his motivations and means he employs towards the ends he wants to achieve, but each time he acts, he at least thinks he does it for justifiable reasons. And in case of first mass casualty event, we have enough evidence to infer (and I suppose we'll going to learn more of what happened in DAVe), that his actions may have caused the destruction of a civilization, but at the same time prevented something worse from happening.
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I get it. You're 100% behind Solas. Solas was one of the elven mages who became living-gods and tyrants. Bully for him that Mythal and he decided to become "kind" to the peons. Solas got so kind that he literally destroyed an entire civilization just to attempt to imprison the false gods (of which he was one). Elven society collapsed. They lost immortality. They were defeated and their lands taken by Tevinter and worse they were taken as slaves for over a millennia. Then when some were freed they trekked to a new home and oh irony they continued to worship the false gods until they lost their new kingdom and even more of the memories of their culture. Solas is responsible for so much misery and suffering and death. He's like a mad scientist who must be locked out of his laboratory. Yes, I'd stab him immediately. He should not get to decide the fate of Thedas or the fate of the elves. Solas is the mistake. Well no, apparently you don't get it, so could you please refrain from using an ad hominem to try and win a argument? Viewing Solas as something different than "mad scientist" doesn't mean I'm "100% behind Solas." You sound exactly like people who doubted Inquisitor would be back, and their argument was almost always "You just say they'll be back because you're attached to them". No, I'm simply following what's present in the story. And the "mad scientist" version of Solas is simply not there. What is there, however, is someone who's decided to act - like Warden, Hawke, Inky or Rook - and in a dire moment of time, when the mad god-kings were at the cusp of doing something that could destroy the entire world, he's made a difficult decision. It has destroyed a civilization, but has otherwise allowed people/Thedas to survive. I find it surprising that it's the sort of version of events that some people just refuse to consider this even as a possibility - and I have to wonder why? Is it because good deeds should always be rewarded with objectively good outcomes? Decent people can never be put in a hopeless situations and crappy dilemmas? And then, by being decent people, regardless how few options they've had, they can't be scarred by regret for having to make those decisions? You know, kinda like how it often happens often IRL? I don't think ad hominum means what you think it means. There is no personal attack against you in what I've written and I defy you to find it. If it's against Solas he's a fictional character and therefore I can make no ad hominum attack against someone who does not actually exist. I think arguing further about this is pointless as you will be determined to take every countering argument personally. You've offered nothing but your gut instincts that Solas meant to save Thedas from something worse. That is not supported by anything. I just finished Trespasser this weekend to refresh myself and it's just not there. As for Solas's regret it's immaterial if he is once again deciding that he can murder millions to make a mistake right. You've heard of two wrongs can't make a right? But this is pointless. I've no ill-will against you. I do not even know you but this argument is clearly headed towards some silly emotional theatrics and I am not excluding myself from that so I bow out.
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Post by azarhal on Jun 17, 2024 19:10:35 GMT
Um... the theme of this game isn't "make someone experience regret". AFAIK this is more in line with what devs said: "A prominent theme for the game is how regret shapes peoples lives; how people deal with their regret, how people can move past regret, etc."And it makes sense, because if one listens to what actually Solas says in Inquisition and Trespasser, he's actually full of regret: he keeps beating himself for myriad things he's done, and it's *exactly* the reason why he acts. Not pride - or, at least, not just pride: regret. If anything, we'll likely be there to help him move past his crippling regret (at least those of us who choose the 'just stab him' route, I guess). I get it. You're 100% behind Solas. Solas was one of the elven mages who became living-gods and tyrants. Bully for him that Mythal and he decided to become "kind" to the peons. Solas got so kind that he literally destroyed an entire civilization just to attempt to imprison the false gods (of which he was one). Elven society collapsed. They lost immortality. They were defeated and their lands taken by Tevinter and worse they were taken as slaves for over a millennia. Then when some were freed they trekked to a new home and oh irony they continued to worship the false gods until they lost their new kingdom and even more of the memories of their culture. Solas is responsible for so much misery and suffering and death. He's like a mad scientist who must be locked out of his laboratory. Yes, I'd stab him immediately. He should not get to decide the fate of Thedas or the fate of the elves. Solas is the mistake. They were salves for millennia before Tevinter and their previous "owners" magically branded them like cattle and had magical Kool-Aid that allowed to directly control their slaves. Tevinter didn't invent anything there, in fact you could say they gave them what they knew and they probably fell back into it super easily for the majority of them.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 17, 2024 19:27:27 GMT
I don't think ad hominum means what you think it means. There is no personal attack against you in what I've written and I defy you to find it. If it's against Solas he's a fictional character and therefore I can make no ad hominum attack against someone who does not actually exist. I think arguing further about this is pointless as you will be determined to take every countering argument personally. Ad hominem is not just "a personal attack", it's something directed against a person rather than position they are holding - so yes, "you're holding your position because you like them" is a type of ad hominem attack. Keep that in mind in the future. If you don't want "silly theatrics", then focus on actual argument rather than starting with "I get it - you're a 100% Solas diehard", immediately suggesting that a person you're talking with is hopelessly biased. You must've therefore missed part like when Inquisitor asked why Solas created the Veil and he responded with "because every other alternative was worse". Also - information corroborating Solas's assessment of what happened, and e.g. how big of arseholes Evanuris were they are is supported by evidence separate from Solas that we can find in Inquisition, Trespasser, and materials like Tevinter Nights. Bits of DAve too.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 17, 2024 19:30:55 GMT
They were salves for millennia before Tevinter and their previous "owners" magically branded them like cattle and had magical Kool-Aid that allowed to directly control their slaves. Tevinter didn't invent anything there, in fact you could say they gave them what they knew and they probably fell back into it super easily for the majority of them.
Tevinter is basically Elvenhan 2.0, down to potentially being led by Evanuris themselves in the guise of Old Gods. ...Although I do wonder if this is going to be confirmed in DAVe. There are also the Forgotten Ones, as well as potentially strange and mysterious ancient entities that whisper through the Blight and Red Lyrium.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Jun 17, 2024 19:33:01 GMT
I get it. You're 100% behind Solas. Solas was one of the elven mages who became living-gods and tyrants. Bully for him that Mythal and he decided to become "kind" to the peons. Solas got so kind that he literally destroyed an entire civilization just to attempt to imprison the false gods (of which he was one). Elven society collapsed. They lost immortality. They were defeated and their lands taken by Tevinter and worse they were taken as slaves for over a millennia. Then when some were freed they trekked to a new home and oh irony they continued to worship the false gods until they lost their new kingdom and even more of the memories of their culture. Solas is responsible for so much misery and suffering and death. He's like a mad scientist who must be locked out of his laboratory. Yes, I'd stab him immediately. He should not get to decide the fate of Thedas or the fate of the elves. Solas is the mistake. Well no, apparently you don't get it, so could you please refrain from using an ad hominem to try and win an argument? Viewing Solas as something different than "mad scientist" doesn't mean I'm "100% behind Solas." You sound exactly like people who doubted Inquisitor would be back, and their argument was almost always "You just say they'll be back because you're attached to them". No, I'm simply following what's present in the story. And the "mad scientist" version of Solas is simply not there. What is there, however, is someone who's decided to act - like Warden, Hawke, Inky or Rook - and in a dire moment of time, when the mad god-kings were at the cusp of doing something that could destroy the entire world, he's made a difficult decision. It has destroyed a civilization, but has otherwise allowed people/Thedas to survive. I find it surprising that it's the sort of version of events that some people just refuse to consider even as a possibility - and I have to wonder why? Is it because good deeds of decent people should always be rewarded with objectively good outcomes? Decent people can never be put in a hopeless situations and crappy dilemmas? And then, by being decent people, regardless how few options they've had, they can't be scarred by trauma and regret for having to make those decisions? You know, kinda like how it often happens often IRL? I can so much relate to this (possible) course of events - I don't know how many times in my life I've done something with the best intentions, only for it to turn out all wrong. I think this is likely the closest to the truth of what happened (why else would he destroy the thing he clearly loved the most, the fade?). As I've mentioned before, to me Solas isn't like Cory-fiction, full of entitlement and ideas about domination, but closer to Loghain; desperate in trying to protect what he cares for, even if it means making painful and questionable choices.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 17, 2024 19:42:14 GMT
I can so much relate to this (possible) course of events - I don't know how many times in my life I've done something with the best intentions, only for it to turn out all wrong. I think this is likely the closest to the truth of what happened (why else would he destroy the thing he clearly loved the most, the fade?). As I've mentioned before, to me Solas isn't like Cory-fiction, full of entitlement and ideas about domination, but closer to Loghain; desperate in trying to protect what he cares for, even if it means making painful and questionable choices. And we're likely mirroring that with actions of Rook - taking action and disrupting the ritual (despite Neve's warnings), because we think that the alternative will be worse, and on one hand saving the world (at least for a time), but also unleashing at least 2 dangerous entities on it. Even if Solas takes the brunt of responsibility for initiating the ritual, nevertheless our well-meaning - even good and effective, at least to an extent - actions have a cost to them that we're going to have to deal with.
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Post by The Elder King on Jun 17, 2024 19:55:40 GMT
They were salves for millennia before Tevinter and their previous "owners" magically branded them like cattle and had magical Kool-Aid that allowed to directly control their slaves. Tevinter didn't invent anything there, in fact you could say they gave them what they knew and they probably fell back into it super easily for the majority of them.
Tevinter is basically Elvenhan 2.0, down to potentially being led by Evanuris themselves in the guise of Old Gods. ...Although I do wonder if this is going to be confirmed in DAVe. There are also the Forgotten Ones, as well as potentially strange and mysterious ancient entities that whisper through the Blight and Red Lyrium. It'd definitely put the events behind the birth of the Imperium, and the enslavement of the elves on a even more twisted path if the Evanuris are the OG. I do personally find the theory of the OG being more reasonable, personally, but I do think we're going to find the truth either way.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 17, 2024 20:09:37 GMT
Tevinter is basically Elvenhan 2.0, down to potentially being led by Evanuris themselves in the guise of Old Gods. ...Although I do wonder if this is going to be confirmed in DAVe. There are also the Forgotten Ones, as well as potentially strange and mysterious ancient entities that whisper through the Blight and Red Lyrium. It'd definitely put the events behind the birth of the Imperium, and the enslavement of the elves on a even more twisted path if the Evanuris are the OG. I do personally find the theory of the OG being more reasonable, personally, but I do think we're going to find the truth either way. While I'm curious about Evanuris, their relation to the Blight and events that led to mage-kings downfall and the destruction of Elvenhan I have a feeling that a lot of DAVe will revolve around untangling those mysteries - but I hope that we're going to get some new information on Forgotten Ones, Forbidden Ones and factions like Executors as well.
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