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Post by luketrevelyan on Jun 25, 2024 1:31:07 GMT
I swear man. I went on YouTube to see peoples opinions of the Reveal + Gameplay trailers, and everyone is so hyperbolic in one way or the other. While I know this doesn't reach the broader populace, I can't help but feel so out of the loop with the positivity/negativity spirals that exist in today's media. Even for games I don't like, I don't ever feel the need to just languish on it. I just move on. But then I see opinions from some people who know they will never play the game, but feel like they need to inject themselves as if they had just played it. There's plenty of objective/subjective criticism to be had of the recent trailers, as well as BioWare's direction with the series as a whole... But I can't imagine talking shit so heavily about something that I literally tell others I'm not going to play, for a game that hasn't even released yet. Extreme opinions drive views so everything has to be either 100% positive or negative to have a chance of succeeding. Measured opinions weighing pros and cons have no place in social media unfortunately.
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Post by Hrungr on Jun 25, 2024 1:32:18 GMT
Trick Weekes @trickweekes.bsky.social Auteur stuff is a terrible idea in AAA games in all cases, and auteur worship going disproportionately to dudes is that awful system working as designed, consolidating credit in the hands of those society thinks "most deserve it."
To put this plainly in case it comes up:
I did not CREATE Taash. I wrote most dialogue, but Taash came from an amazing art team and a fabulous gameplay team and awesome animators and cinematics folks, not to mention the editors, voice actor, creative performance experts...
It's always a team.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Jun 25, 2024 2:01:21 GMT
I swear man. I went on YouTube to see peoples opinions of the Reveal + Gameplay trailers, and everyone is so hyperbolic in one way or the other. While I know this doesn't reach the broader populace, I can't help but feel so out of the loop with the positivity/negativity spirals that exist in today's media. Even for games I don't like, I don't ever feel the need to just languish on it. I just move on. But then I see opinions from some people who know they will never play the game, but feel like they need to inject themselves as if they had just played it. There's plenty of objective/subjective criticism to be had of the recent trailers, as well as BioWare's direction with the series as a whole... But I can't imagine talking shit so heavily about something that I literally tell others I'm not going to play, for a game that hasn't even released yet. Extreme opinions drive views so everything has to be either 100% positive or negative to have a chance of succeeding. Measured opinions weighing pros and cons have no place in social media unfortunately. Feels like every positive video I've seen starts with at least half a dozen disclaimers about stuff they didn't like. Not sure if this is necessarily true in this case.
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Post by githcheater on Jun 25, 2024 2:04:49 GMT
I swear man. I went on YouTube to see peoples opinions of the Reveal + Gameplay trailers, and everyone is so hyperbolic in one way or the other. While I know this doesn't reach the broader populace, I can't help but feel so out of the loop with the positivity/negativity spirals that exist in today's media. Even for games I don't like, I don't ever feel the need to just languish on it. I just move on. But then I see opinions from some people who know they will never play the game, but feel like they need to inject themselves as if they had just played it. There's plenty of objective/subjective criticism to be had of the recent trailers, as well as BioWare's direction with the series as a whole... But I can't imagine talking shit so heavily about something that I literally tell others I'm not going to play, for a game that hasn't even released yet. They're doing this specifically for *content* - just before DA reveals dropped they were doing the same thing to new Assassin's Creed game. Don't-cha mean "just for clicks" or perhaps you meant "Lust for Kicks" ...
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 25, 2024 2:11:13 GMT
They're doing this specifically for *content* - just before DA reveals dropped they were doing the same thing to new Assassin's Creed game. Don't-cha mean "just for clicks" or perhaps you meant "Lust for Kicks" ... Same thing, different words Although the proper nomenclature nowadays isn't so much "content" as "engagement"...
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Post by biggydx on Jun 25, 2024 3:12:31 GMT
I swear man. I went on YouTube to see peoples opinions of the Reveal + Gameplay trailers, and everyone is so hyperbolic in one way or the other. While I know this doesn't reach the broader populace, I can't help but feel so out of the loop with the positivity/negativity spirals that exist in today's media. Even for games I don't like, I don't ever feel the need to just languish on it. I just move on. But then I see opinions from some people who know they will never play the game, but feel like they need to inject themselves as if they had just played it. There's plenty of objective/subjective criticism to be had of the recent trailers, as well as BioWare's direction with the series as a whole... But I can't imagine talking shit so heavily about something that I literally tell others I'm not going to play, for a game that hasn't even released yet. The issue is I think in large part society and how social media and the actual media has been designed...it encourages people to just spout opinions very quickly because you have to be first and you have to get it out there and you have to be right about things so its like things can just get out there very quickly because you can't really have any encoruagement to wait. Like I know for the trailer I woke up the day of and it was like 'omg its so horrible this is so fortnite and so purple and so this and that' and I was like 'oh no.' Even looked at a few screen grabs and it looked like people had a point, but then when I watched it I liked it...a lot...but still my opinion was going to be contingent on other factors. And knowing that these things aren't always indicitive. And you are right there is certainly something to be said and people do also tend to have very heavy opinions despite not seeing or watching things or caring. Like if I don't care I'll complain, criticize every now and then but mostly move on. I don't think you're wrong about social media playing a role, but thinking about, I imagine it's more to do with other factors than what your listing (though it is one). The Internet and Social Media allows people to hyper-segregate themselves into communities that promote certain types of group-thinks. When you hang within those groups long enough, it tends to shape your perceptions about reality pretty heavily, especially when you're never criticized by others in your in-group. It would be lovely to think that doesn't go on here with this Forum, but I think you and me both agree that there are specific "cliques" within our small group.
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Post by NotN7 on Jun 25, 2024 3:24:36 GMT
The issue is I think in large part society and how social media and the actual media has been designed...it encourages people to just spout opinions very quickly because you have to be first and you have to get it out there and you have to be right about things so its like things can just get out there very quickly because you can't really have any encoruagement to wait. Like I know for the trailer I woke up the day of and it was like 'omg its so horrible this is so fortnite and so purple and so this and that' and I was like 'oh no.' Even looked at a few screen grabs and it looked like people had a point, but then when I watched it I liked it...a lot...but still my opinion was going to be contingent on other factors. And knowing that these things aren't always indicitive. And you are right there is certainly something to be said and people do also tend to have very heavy opinions despite not seeing or watching things or caring. Like if I don't care I'll complain, criticize every now and then but mostly move on. I don't think you're wrong about social media playing a role, but thinking about, I imagine it's more to do with other factors than what your listing (though it is one). The Internet and Social Media allows people to hyper-segregate themselves into communities that promote certain types of group-thinks. When you hang within those groups long enough, it tends to shape your perceptions about reality pretty heavily, especially when you're never criticized by others in your in-group. It would be lovely to think that doesn't go on here with this Forum, but I think you and me both agree that there are specific "cliques" within our small group. Concur.
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Post by Ice-Quinn on Jun 25, 2024 7:18:23 GMT
We're living in an extremely polarized society where you're either in the Crips or the Bloods, no in-between, no critical thinking, and you're almost like, not even allowed to say a nice thing about the other side, they can't do anything right, just like you and yours can never do anything wrong. Social media plays a huge part, of course, but it's always been like this, if you think about it. It is, unfortunately, par for the course at this point.
I feel bad for content creators sometimes, because they don't want to upset either side. It's: "I dislike this, BUT... *list of disclaimers*" - to placate the angry mobs. Please, don't hate me. And don't forget to like and subscribe...
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Jun 25, 2024 8:05:49 GMT
I just think society has become so fast paced and we full of things that to make an impact it has to be simple and without complexity. Making a thorough analysis takes time to make and takes time for the people watching, and we just don't have the patience for that anymore. To compound everything we have algorithms that detects our likes and dislikes and amplifies them by selecting things that aligns with our views - it gives the impression of "everyone" thinking like this.
So content creators put up their fingers, feel where a wind is blowing, then they go 100% in that direction with a simple message that reinforces the view. To make their audience feel smarter they sprinkle in some pseudo-science to give the air of being analytical when it's anything but.
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Post by Croatsky on Jun 25, 2024 9:36:20 GMT
soooooo, uuuuh, I noticed that DAVG videos got more views than Space Marines 2 videos like a lot more
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Post by The Loyal Nub on Jun 25, 2024 12:11:06 GMT
People are not ok out there. Everyone has to have their hot-take validated and the loudest voices are insistent to be heard and there is increasingly a very real and very dangerous culture war.
I took a look at the comments for the finale of this seasons Doctor Who and wished I hadn't. If people do not get what they want out of a show or a game or a comic or whatever they take it personal. It's a slight against them and death to those who slighted them. I really feel there is a massive mental health issue going on that the internet and social media should take some responsibility in. I should not have to read that the actor who plays Ser Criston Cole on House of The Dragon is taking a bit of a social media break because folks cannot tell the difference anymore between the fictional character and the real life person who portrays the fictional character!
I think it would be really helpful if all comment sections were discontinued on sites. But that's not going to happen so my advice is avoid the comments sections on Dragon Age videos/articles. If you must post then keep your criticism germane to the game and not personal to the developers and if you have positive things to say then also praise the developers and thank them. Man, if I busted my hump on a game for years and Joey Baloney from Hoboken called me names for it up and down the internet for only three abilities I'd probably feel a bit hard done by.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jun 25, 2024 12:34:30 GMT
Social media is mankind's inherent tribalism on steroids. And it's very very scary and detrimental to a lot of people's mental health. I don't see this getting any better so best to go outside and enjoy the sun and get away from the drama as much as possible.
(I wish I would follow this advice more. I am highly fascinated by this horrifying global social experiment... Sigh.)
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Post by Sartoz on Jun 25, 2024 12:42:56 GMT
Extreme opinions drive views so everything has to be either 100% positive or negative to have a chance of succeeding. Measured opinions weighing pros and cons have no place in social media unfortunately. Feels like every positive video I've seen starts with at least half a dozen disclaimers about stuff they didn't like. Not sure if this is necessarily true in this case.
Understandable. Remember waay back when publishers paid for positive reviews? Or waay back when publishers removed micro transactions from the reviewed game? I guess there is still a miasma of guilt in the air. In any case, it's good that negatives are mentioned just to counter that barbie gushing of goody goody "oh I love this game!". Granted that some web-oulets slant their "review" to get clickbaits and thus the article must be ignored. However, many don't and get their panties tied in a knot and are quick to react to such an "insult".
It amuses me when some people that just see the positives get all worked up when other people don't agree with them. So, to clear the air, I don't like the new cartoonish / punkish faces in the trailer nor the colour tone nor the combat mechanics nor the nerfed Mage and limited spell options during combat nor the fact that a Mage must jump towards the enemy to stab with a scepter and then quickly jump back nor the fact that Lace, a nobody in DAI, was promoted to companion level nor the fact that the Inquisitor is back. Nevertheless, more info may sway me to more positive thinking as a "ton" more info is on its way in July. You see, one of my tightly forced down hopes was for a photo-realistic game. Surprise!!!!
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Post by Gwydden on Jun 25, 2024 13:07:55 GMT
I swear man. I went on YouTube to see peoples opinions of the Reveal + Gameplay trailers, and everyone is so hyperbolic in one way or the other. While I know this doesn't reach the broader populace, I can't help but feel so out of the loop with the positivity/negativity spirals that exist in today's media. Even for games I don't like, I don't ever feel the need to just languish on it. I just move on. But then I see opinions from some people who know they will never play the game, but feel like they need to inject themselves as if they had just played it. There's plenty of objective/subjective criticism to be had of the recent trailers, as well as BioWare's direction with the series as a whole... But I can't imagine talking shit so heavily about something that I literally tell others I'm not going to play, for a game that hasn't even released yet. Once a narrative takes over the internet, it is difficult to dislodge. So when the internet loved CDPR, Cyberpunk 2077 was going to be the greatest thing ever, right up until it released, and dissenting opinions (like a pre-release review that gave it a middling 70%) were to be shouted down. Now Larian's getting the plaudits, but the moment they screw up even slightly, I'm sure rabid gamers will turn on them. Bioware hate is a reflex in various corners of the internet. They're too woke, or they ruined my favorite franchise, or whatever else the beef is. It's bizarre, but there's folks who get genuinely angry at others having different tastes and opinions, at a particular piece of media maybe not being for them.
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Post by fairdragon on Jun 25, 2024 13:57:44 GMT
We did get a few more goodies from Discord Q&A tho: Dragon Age @dragonageMore questions from our developer Q+A! Below is a small sample of questions. You can read the full transcript here: discord.gg/biowareThat are good news.
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Post by fairdragon on Jun 25, 2024 14:07:29 GMT
Social media is mankind's inherent tribalism on steroids. And it's very very scary and detrimental to a lot of people's mental health. I don't see this getting any better so best to go outside and enjoy the sun and get away from the drama as much as possible. (I wish I would follow this advice more. I am highly fascinated by this horrifying global social experiment... Sigh.) I have take your advice today and was 3 hours outdoor.
The biggest problem is the me social. Everyone only think they are right and every other person is wrong. They are the most importen and everyone has to hear their opinion.
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Post by Gileadan on Jun 25, 2024 14:11:24 GMT
Social media are insanity bubble generators. Most of it can be safely ignored anyway especially anything that is just about opinions. Who cares what some people on social media think? The only ones I watch occasionally are those that have useful guides and advice for games that are hard or intransparent enough to benefit from that.
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Post by SomberXIII on Jun 25, 2024 15:39:10 GMT
Facebook is the most unsettling to me. Instagram and Tiktok are more or less tolerable. Reddit is usually nerds wanting to assert their superiority. Twitter is either just bigots or trolls. But Facebook? In any page with sizable followings, there are comments filled with literal malice, uninformed opinion and shocking takes and many of them usually come with a genuine name and a real photo. I can get behind those being brave due to anonymity but real persons unafraid to say bullshit out in the open kind of scares me. People outside can fake their expressions but Facebook makes me feel like it's the reflection of the minds of actual real people.
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Post by our_lady_of_darkness on Jun 25, 2024 16:16:24 GMT
Once you read it, could you let us know if it's spoilery?
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Post by Reznore on Jun 25, 2024 16:24:37 GMT
Once you read it, could you let us know if it's spoilery? Sure.
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Post by Sartoz on Jun 25, 2024 16:25:14 GMT
Bioware hate is a reflex in various corners of the internet. They're too woke, or they ruined my favorite franchise, or whatever else the beef is. It's bizarre, but there's folks who get genuinely angry at others having different tastes and opinions, at a particular piece of media maybe not being for them.
Aah... is it hate or an acknowledgement that they don't like the direction the game is going? I complain that Bio nerfed the Mage. Is that hate or a legitimate expression of dislike?
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Post by our_lady_of_darkness on Jun 25, 2024 16:25:24 GMT
Once you read it, could you let us know if it's spoilery? Sure. Great, thank you
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Post by phoray on Jun 25, 2024 16:29:46 GMT
Once you read it, could you let us know if it's spoilery? Sure. Maybe it will get it's own spoilers thread
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Post by Gwydden on Jun 25, 2024 16:45:05 GMT
Bioware hate is a reflex in various corners of the internet. They're too woke, or they ruined my favorite franchise, or whatever else the beef is. It's bizarre, but there's folks who get genuinely angry at others having different tastes and opinions, at a particular piece of media maybe not being for them.
Aah... is it hate or an acknowledgement that they don't like the direction the game is going? I complain that Bio nerfed the Mage. Is that hate or a legitimate expression of dislike?
I don't like that they nerfed mages either I am specifically calling out vitriol over what's ultimately a digital toy, not saying criticism isn't allowed. Though if you hate a gameplay demo enough that it makes someone angry, the healthy choice would be to disengage rather than raise one's blood pressure and ruin others' fun.
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