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Post by MeadKnight on Sept 19, 2024 19:54:56 GMT
“Mercar” - what a weird surname for a Shadow Dragon Rook. Don’t know what do do with it rn. I was expecting something cool like “Thorne” or in the lines of “Gallus, Pavus…” etc. I thought most of the surnames were rather odd but no skin off my teeth. I thought it was funny all of them end in "R" except Thorne.
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Post by Ice-Quinn on Sept 19, 2024 19:57:01 GMT
“Mercar” - what a weird surname for a Shadow Dragon Rook. Don’t know what do do with it rn. I was expecting something cool like “Thorne” or in the lines of “Gallus, Pavus…” etc. I thought most of the surnames were rather odd but no skin off my teeth. Yeah, we’ll make do. (I do like Thorne, however)
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Post by Sartoz on Sept 19, 2024 20:01:34 GMT
“Mercar” - what a weird surname for a Shadow Dragon Rook. Don’t know what do do with it rn. I was expecting something cool like “Thorne” or in the lines of “Gallus, Pavus…” etc. From the Latin word Mercurius, maybe? A major roman god of commerce... In Spanish it means "to buy". I don't know the Shadow Dragon faction to say anything else.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 19, 2024 20:08:01 GMT
I have always disagreed just we have all the marketing now indicating that this very much is not a direct sequel to Inquisition. The first 30 minutes is but otherwise its a brand new plot with brand new threats. The Inquisitor could've been left easily in Ferelden or Orlais but they chose not to do that. We'll see if that ruins the Inquisitors/ my Inquisitors perfect ending. It is NOT a brand new plot, nor those are brand new threats - it is a plot they've been building towards in past 3 games, and most noticeable in Inquisition. It WAS a 2nd part of Inquisition at some point. Like, literally, we wouldn't know much about Solas, or elven gods without Inquisition or Trespasser. The entire setup for Veilguard is built in Inquisition/Trespasser, with Trespasser literally ending at Inquisitor beginning their new story arc. set up does not imply sequelhood. TOS set up many of the elements of TNG but is TNG a direct sequel to TOS? No. Same with Veilguard. Brand new story with loose connections to its predecessor. Now Inquisition is the most relevant but it's not a direct prequel. The marketing and what we have seen so far makes this clear. Epler said that they wanted the beginning of this game to feel like an ending. Because that is what it is. The sequel to Inquisition was the Missing and all the pre June marketing/ hunt for Solas. That plot line ends with the very first quest in Veilguard.
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Post by Adia on Sept 19, 2024 20:23:45 GMT
From all the videos I've seen the preset human rook is the one in the original tutorial gameplay That one is the "default", I guess you can call it, when choosing the lineage but there's a bunch of starting presents for each one after that you can customize. I've only watched Ghil's and Ashe's CC videos and they showed only female dwarf, elf and qunari, no males and no humans at all. The second trailer Rook could possibly be one of the other presets, just not the default. He looks really good, I would be surprised if he wasn't. He doesn't appear in ANY of the presets, but there are like 3 bars of presets, after you chose gender and human, and I only managed to see one bar in most of the videos I've seen so he could still be in there... so frustrating how people didn't scroll and showed every option
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 19, 2024 20:26:28 GMT
It is NOT a brand new plot, nor those are brand new threats - it is a plot they've been building towards in past 3 games, and most noticeable in Inquisition. It WAS a 2nd part of Inquisition at some point. Like, literally, we wouldn't know much about Solas, or elven gods without Inquisition or Trespasser. The entire setup for Veilguard is built in Inquisition/Trespasser, with Trespasser literally ending at Inquisitor beginning their new story arc. set up does not imply sequelhood. TOS set up many of the elements of TNG but is TNG a direct sequel to TOS? No. Same with Veilguard. Brand new story with loose connections to its predecessor. Now Inquisition is the most relevant but it's not a direct prequel. I'm sorry, but in what world directly picking up the storyline after Inquisition, and already knowing past protag is coming back (with alluded implications of some level of control) and from what we already saw? We don't just have marketing now, the full prologue is out already - we KNOW things pick up directly from how they were set up in Trespasser. An ending of a battle with Solas that we thought would be at the end of Veilguard - NOT the story of Inquisition (judging specifically what Busche and Epler said. I could add - and the fact that we can customize Inquisitor, but apparently they don't take part in prologue - but we don't know if something's been cut out or not) At this point I feel exactly like when we were discussion Epler's words about Trespasser "tying off story of Inquisitor" and people arguing that this meant that's the end of Inky's story, while I argued it's not. Turns out I was right. I'm willing to bet I'm quite right now too. Fortunately, we only have several weeks of waiting to see if I'm indeed right or I'll be eating an (Antivan) crow.
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Post by Ice-Quinn on Sept 19, 2024 20:39:57 GMT
“Mercar” - what a weird surname for a Shadow Dragon Rook. Don’t know what do do with it rn. I was expecting something cool like “Thorne” or in the lines of “Gallus, Pavus…” etc. From the Latin word Mercurius, maybe? A major roman god of commerce... In Spanish it means "to buy". I don't know the Shadow Dragon faction to say anything else.
It's not horrible... it's like "Mercer", but not really ( ) - but I'm having a hard time picturing first names that go with it, from my "list" so to speak. It's fine, though. No big deal.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 19, 2024 20:40:30 GMT
set up does not imply sequelhood. TOS set up many of the elements of TNG but is TNG a direct sequel to TOS? No. Same with Veilguard. Brand new story with loose connections to its predecessor. Now Inquisition is the most relevant but it's not a direct prequel. I'm sorry, but in what world directly picking up the storyline after Inquisition, and already knowing past protag is coming back (with alluded implications of some level of control) and from what we already saw? We don't just have marketing now, the full prologue is out already - we KNOW things pick up directly from how they were set up in Trespasser. An ending of a battle with Solas that we thought would be at the end of Veilguard - NOT the story of Inquisition (judging specifically what Busche and Epler said. I could add - and the fact that we can customize Inquisitor, but apparently they don't take part in prologue - but we don't know if something's been cut out or not) At this point I feel exactly like when we were discussion Epler's words about Trespasser "tying off story of Inquisitor" and people arguing that this meant that's the end of Inky's story, while I argued it's not. Turns out I was right. I'm willing to bet I'm quite right now too. Fortunately, we only have several weeks of waiting to see if I'm indeed right or I'll be eating an (Antivan) crow. it's not directly picking up the plot. We've had ten years of development within the setting including a massive man hunt for Solas. We saw the culmination of that plot in the first quest. The rest of it is a brand new story where Solas has been moved aside as a still important piece and Rook is the new protag dealing with a new threat. All this is known. And trespasser did tie off the Inquisitors story and their main story arc ended/ should have ended. I half suspect that they changed their mind based on fan commentary and confusion on this point. Otherwise a cameo wouldn't really expand the Inquisitors story and expanding it beyond a cameo risks ruining the ending in Trespasser and thus the character.
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Post by illuminated11 on Sept 19, 2024 20:40:50 GMT
This is definitely the Dragon Age game that feels the most like a true sequel. DAII and Inquisition carried over the setting and handful of cameos, but this is expanding upon plot points and major characters solidified in Tresspasser, right out the gate.
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Post by Ice-Quinn on Sept 19, 2024 20:45:53 GMT
Many thoughts about the armors we could glance, factions, casual... dunno, does it merit an Armor & (Clothing) Customization thread?
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Post by colfoley on Sept 19, 2024 20:52:47 GMT
This is definitely the Dragon Age game that feels the most like a true sequel. DAII and Inquisition carried over the setting and handful of cameos, but this is expanding upon plot points and major characters solidified in Tresspasser, right out the gate. feeling like a direct sequel isn't much of a recommendation when all four games have only the loosest plot connections. I agree that to understand Solas Inquisition is important to play...but then so is playing all three games to understand lore, references, and players
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 19, 2024 21:30:38 GMT
This is definitely the Dragon Age game that feels the most like a true sequel. DAII and Inquisition carried over the setting and handful of cameos, but this is expanding upon plot points and major characters solidified in Tresspasser, right out the gate. feeling like a direct sequel isn't much of a recommendation when all four games have only the loosest plot connections. I agree that to understand Solas Inquisition is important to play...but then so is playing all three games to understand lore, references, and players No they don't - only DAO has loose connection to the others. With each next chapter, the connections between them tighten - we got from Hawke being an active participant of the beginning of mage-templar conflict and releasing Inquisitions' main villain from slumber (and actively participating in events of Inquisition), to Inquisitor *literally* being the person responsible for Rook being in the story in the first place (Rook's literally working for them), while having a direct and personal relation with the most pivotal character in the game. Like... I really can't see how is that even a point of contention, or how can anyone who played Inquisitions say that it's only 'loosely connected' to Veilguard, when it literally sets up (everything we saw so far) in Veilguard.
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Post by biggydx on Sept 19, 2024 21:36:06 GMT
So I've had the chance to listen to a number of Hands-on Preview videos throughout the day.
Generally take so far is that, at worst, the game is seen with a bit of tepidness. For the majority, they're generally optimistic, and in the best case scenario there's a handful who have come away quite excited about it. WolfheartFPS (YouTuber) was the person I listened to who had the most critique-filled assessment of the game, and who is fairly tepid (or mixed) about it. The most glowing assessment I've heard came from the Kinda Funny Games Youtube channel, where one of its hosts said it's a GotY contender for them (assuming the quality holds for the first of the game).
Overall, it seems like BioWare might actually be eyeing a potential W in their corner.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 19, 2024 21:42:10 GMT
I'm sorry, but in what world directly picking up the storyline after Inquisition, and already knowing past protag is coming back (with alluded implications of some level of control) and from what we already saw? We don't just have marketing now, the full prologue is out already - we KNOW things pick up directly from how they were set up in Trespasser. An ending of a battle with Solas that we thought would be at the end of Veilguard - NOT the story of Inquisition (judging specifically what Busche and Epler said. I could add - and the fact that we can customize Inquisitor, but apparently they don't take part in prologue - but we don't know if something's been cut out or not) At this point I feel exactly like when we were discussion Epler's words about Trespasser "tying off story of Inquisitor" and people arguing that this meant that's the end of Inky's story, while I argued it's not. Turns out I was right. I'm willing to bet I'm quite right now too. Fortunately, we only have several weeks of waiting to see if I'm indeed right or I'll be eating an (Antivan) crow. it's not directly picking up the plot. We've had ten years of development within the setting including a massive man hunt for Solas. We saw the culmination of that plot in the first quest. The rest of it is a brand new story where Solas has been moved aside as a still important piece and Rook is the new protag dealing with a new threat. All this is known. This is NOT a new threat, and we already know that Solas remains a pivotal character in the storyline. They didn't change the game when they changed the title from "Dreadwolf" to "Veilguard" - WE KNOW Solas is NOT "moving aside", and the "new threat" is actually a threat that is entirely tied to the story of the Dread Wolf. The story we know we will be learning about, from memories hidden within HIS stronghold, and HIS pocket of Crossroads. Solas won't just be sitting in the Fade and sulking - that much we know as well. All this is known, and I can't believe that with what we know anyone can say that Solas is "moving aside" anywhere It didn't end - some people just assumed they did, while others pointed out they're taking Epler's words too literally. Turns out those people were right. And nothing was changed - at least we know that they've more or less stuck to the story they've had in plans since Trespasser, according to Epler's words. And I keep reminding you that this was supposed to be the 2nd part of Inquisition at some point, according to interview with Gaider. This was supposed to be Inquisitor's story. And, to an extent, it's quite clear now it still is.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 19, 2024 21:49:06 GMT
So I've had the chance to listen to a number of Hands-on Preview videos throughout the day. Generally take so far is that, at worst, the game is seen with a bit of tepidness. For the majority, they're generally optimistic, and in the best case scenario there's a handful who have come away quite excited about it. WolfheartFPS (YouTuber) was the person I listened to who had the most critique-filled assessment of the game, and who is fairly tepid (or mixed) about it. The most glowing assessment I've heard came from the Kinda Funny Games Youtube channel, where one of its hosts said it's a GotY contender for them (assuming the quality holds for the first of the game). Overall, it seems like BioWare might actually be eyeing a potential W in their corner. I also hear that it's rare to have a 6-hour preview; that reviewers are lucky if they get 2 hours, 4 at max. Bioware being confident with what they have in Veilguard has been mentioned several times.
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Post by q5tyhj on Sept 19, 2024 21:52:38 GMT
So I've had the chance to listen to a number of Hands-on Preview videos throughout the day. Generally take so far is that, at worst, the game is seen with a bit of tepidness. For the majority, they're generally optimistic, and in the best case scenario there's a handful who have come away quite excited about it. WolfheartFPS (YouTuber) was the person I listened to who had the most critique-filled assessment of the game, and who is fairly tepid (or mixed) about it. The most glowing assessment I've heard came from the Kinda Funny Games Youtube channel, where one of its hosts said it's a GotY contender for them (assuming the quality holds for the first of the game). Overall, it seems like BioWare might actually be eyeing a potential W in their corner. I also hear that it's rare to have a 6-hour preview; that reviewers are lucky if they get 2 hours, 4 at max. Bioware being confident with what they have in Veilguard has been mentioned several times. obviously having to infer from incomplete information and I'll admit to a fair amount of bias but it really sounds like they may have knocked this one out of the park. Hype reaching peak levels.
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Post by biggydx on Sept 19, 2024 22:03:01 GMT
So I've had the chance to listen to a number of Hands-on Preview videos throughout the day. Generally take so far is that, at worst, the game is seen with a bit of tepidness. For the majority, they're generally optimistic, and in the best case scenario there's a handful who have come away quite excited about it. WolfheartFPS (YouTuber) was the person I listened to who had the most critique-filled assessment of the game, and who is fairly tepid (or mixed) about it. The most glowing assessment I've heard came from the Kinda Funny Games Youtube channel, where one of its hosts said it's a GotY contender for them (assuming the quality holds for the first of the game). Overall, it seems like BioWare might actually be eyeing a potential W in their corner. I also hear that it's rare to have a 6-hour preview; that reviewers are lucky if they get 2 hours, 4 at max. Bioware being confident with what they have in Veilguard has been mentioned several times. Correct. I think it was MattyPatt who mentioned they weren't used to 6-hour previews.
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Post by Ice-Quinn on Sept 19, 2024 22:07:28 GMT
The mage's block or defensive bubble, I'm obsessed. I want to sit on it and hatch it like an egg. Judge me if you must, IDC.
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Post by Hrungr on Sept 19, 2024 22:09:20 GMT
Time to complete game? No precise answer, but apparently somewhere between Origins & Inquisition to complete.
But if you want to 100% the game - Weeks.
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Post by smilesja on Sept 19, 2024 22:09:58 GMT
The mage's block or defensive bubble, I'm obsessed. I want to sit on it and hatch it like an egg. Judge me if you must, IDC. Crack it open like an Egg! Just like I'm going to do Solas' head when I confront him!
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Post by themikefest on Sept 19, 2024 22:18:31 GMT
The mage's block or defensive bubble, I'm obsessed. I want to sit on it and hatch it like an egg. Judge me if you must, IDC. Crack it open like an Egg! Just like I'm going to do Solas' head when I confront him! As much as I like for that to happen, I like my Inq to be the one doing the cracking.
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Post by river82 on Sept 19, 2024 22:32:50 GMT
Saw an IGN interview, "how Dragon Age learned from the Sims Character Creator".
Huh. I was interested until they said "character creator", like the Sims isn't already a decade behind in that regard and is about to be blown away by Inzoi. "Dragon Age’s character creator is extensive, allowing players to adjust physical characteristics including chest size, the crookedness of a character’s nose, and whether or not their eyes are bloodshot, among other features." *Rolls eyes* Highlighting features that's been part of games for a decade now. Oh how IGN's journalism has fallen
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Post by biggydx on Sept 19, 2024 22:35:39 GMT
Saw an IGN interview, "how Dragon Age learned from the Sims Character Creator". Huh. I was interested until they said "character creator", like the Sims isn't already a decade behind in that regard and is about to be blown away by Inzoi. "Dragon Age’s character creator is extensive, allowing players to adjust physical characteristics including chest size, the crookedness of a character’s nose, and whether or not their eyes are bloodshot, among other features." *Rolls eyes* Highlighting features that's been part of games for a decade now. Oh how IGN's journalism has fallen I we sure this comment made in reference to the Dragon Age series?
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Post by Andrew Waples on Sept 19, 2024 22:36:26 GMT
Saw an IGN interview, "how Dragon Age learned from the Sims Character Creator". Huh. I was interested until they said "character creator", like the Sims isn't already a decade behind in that regard and is about to be blown away by Inzoi. "Dragon Age’s character creator is extensive, allowing players to adjust physical characteristics including chest size, the crookedness of a character’s nose, and whether or not their eyes are bloodshot, among other features." *Rolls eyes* Highlighting features that's been part of games for a decade now. Oh how IGN's journalism has fallen It's obvious that they're talking about rhe franchise as a whole...🙄
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Post by river82 on Sept 19, 2024 22:39:06 GMT
Saw an IGN interview, "how Dragon Age learned from the Sims Character Creator". Huh. I was interested until they said "character creator", like the Sims isn't already a decade behind in that regard and is about to be blown away by Inzoi. "Dragon Age’s character creator is extensive, allowing players to adjust physical characteristics including chest size, the crookedness of a character’s nose, and whether or not their eyes are bloodshot, among other features." *Rolls eyes* Highlighting features that's been part of games for a decade now. Oh how IGN's journalism has fallen I we sure this comment made in reference to the Dragon Age series? Not how it was written: Ultimately, though, it’s the character creator where the resemblance between the two is the most apparent. Dragon Age’s character creator is extensive, allowing players to adjust physical characteristics including chest size, the crookedness of a character’s nose, and whether or not their eyes are bloodshot, among other features. While custom characters are a time-honored BioWare tradition going back to the days of Baldur’s Gate, The Veilguard draws from the lessons of The Sims in everything from body customization to the flow of the user interface.
Cross-pollination like this is common within EA, and Dragon Age: The Veilguard borrows from plenty of other sources as well. That incredible hair technology, for example, got its start within EA’s sports games, meaning your Rook can have a luscious mane like Lionel Messi. But the character creator is perhaps the greatest inflection point between Dragon Age and The Sims.Clearly talking about Veilguard. And hilariously over the top
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