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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 18, 2024 4:48:30 GMT
I can't accept that Qunari female buffoon in that animation movie....
Lighten up LOL ... I loved that buffoon Yeah. She is easily the best part of that show.
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Post by SwobyJ on Apr 18, 2024 5:36:17 GMT
Josephine, a pacifist? I guess perhaps in ideals, but she's a leader of an organization that is focused on (temporary) war and violence. And she believes these are required parts of politics in the scope of her job and life. She's even the one that makes *others* commit violence, even if you can easily argue she turns to it as a later or last resort compared to other people, at least the threat of violence is commonly used as a tool and I'm certain its implicit or explicit in many of her missives. She's no peacenik, that's for sure. She is a relatively non-violent character compared to most we meet in Dragon Age though, and if somehow they take her on a darker turn, I'd at least hope AT THE VERY LEAST that there's roleplaying to allow us to bring back more than just glimmers of the DAI self. Like be the push for her to reach back into her old mental toolkit and achieve a political miracle! I absolutely expect her to cut a b whenever the time comes, and believe its the right thing to do though. No crying over spilled blood. She knows the Game, she accepts it, and it'd be a character turn for her to instead utterly reject it in the name of a real pacifism. However, she's the first major character that really focuses on diplomacy, after a DAO of us fumbling around with it as Wardens and a DA2 where various efforts at it eventually led to cascading failure. She instead was able to make it work and that's cool. I feel her as a character who keeps the knife ready, but not in hand, as she's much preferring to shake on it. I’ll trust what she says and does in the game and those who worked on her more than your viewpoint, and she is a pacifist. Most tools she uses is diplomatic and economic favors, or the ruining of those. By all means, find examples where she threatens inflicting physical violence. Dont want another Leliana situation with her where she starts as a murder hobo but we can talk her out of it. Hated it in DAI and it would be worse here. Plus boring, where seeing her stay true to herself, holding onto that light in the darkness, would be far more interesting. As for the underlined, what you propose she explicitly goes against in DAI. She killed one person on accident while defending herself from him and it still disgusted herself so much she swore to always find nonviolent solutions to problems. After completing Here Lies the Abyss: "We've beaten his Wardens and stopped his intrigues. Soon, Corypheus will have no place to hide." "Cullen is hoping to press our advantage. We'll plan our next attack when you're ready." She doesn't reject this stuff. Its perhaps even never her first choice, she never *advocates* for it, but just as you can say she never focuses on violence, she also never seeks another solution to things like stopping Corypheus himself, or facing down the frenzied demons. Violence is accepted by her. She's one of the leaders of a military organization and she does not object to the nature of it, she only seeks to 'curb the violence' as she puts it. Not 'end', not 'immediately stop', not 'prevent'. Just restrain it from excess. No one in this world would call her a pacifist for this behavior. She's there to help the fight, she just orients almost entirely towards the plans and actions that don't focus on the violence, and leave that to Cullen and Leliana (and of course the Inquisitor, as she potentially stands by as you violently execute enemies). She's one of the most peaceful we've met in Thedas, but Thedas remains (somewhat) dark and brutal as it was depicted in DAO. We may meet a truer pacifist in the future, but I don't believe we've met that with Josephine - just someone that is very non-violent and is focused on aid and diplomacy etc. A pacifist sees 'war and violence as unjustifiable' and we see plenty enough evidence that she finds the violent and warring Inquisition to be just, only even more just with her involvement and initiatives to turn away from many avenues of violence. As there are zero lines of her vocally advocating for something violent, there's zero lines of her making any level of principled stand against violence in her midst. She only reorients and softens, she doesn't oppose. Cullen's positions for example are quite respected by her, not something she'd *disgusted noise* about, let alone threaten to quit if he isn't stopped.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 18, 2024 9:35:47 GMT
Again, going to take Word of God over you. Especially since you’ve got some facts wrong and by your logic, there has never been a pacifist in our world either so it’s a word that has no meaning. But fine, I don’t want her to no longer be pro-peace/anti-violence. Is that better?
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Post by g_scoundrel on Apr 18, 2024 10:52:39 GMT
Lighten up LOL ... I loved that buffoon Yeah. She is easily the best part of that show. You know the show is shit when its best part is an annoying buffoon.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 18, 2024 10:57:03 GMT
Qwidyion is the best.
Second best character in the show and I really enjoyed the show.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 18, 2024 11:23:21 GMT
Qwidyion is the best. Second best character in the show and I really enjoyed the show. Who is best in your opinion?
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Post by colfoley on Apr 18, 2024 11:24:29 GMT
Qwidyion is the best. Second best character in the show and I really enjoyed the show. Who is best in your opinion? Rezaren Amosine.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Apr 18, 2024 11:45:02 GMT
Lacklon is my favourite (to the surprise of nobody, I assume) but Qwydion is delightful .
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Post by eaglepursuit on Apr 18, 2024 13:04:44 GMT
I thought Qwydion was a great character, especially as comic relief. I like her even more knowing that her VA also did Molly McGee.
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Post by fairdragon on Apr 18, 2024 13:41:50 GMT
For me Qwydion is like in old disney the funny character. To make the show a little bit more easy going. I love that very much.
My favorite character is Roland (because he i the true friend), but i love Tassia as a character as well.
I hope so much for a second season with more episodes.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Apr 18, 2024 13:43:01 GMT
Who is best in your opinion? Rezaren Amosine. I really liked him until the very end, then he kinda regressed to the stereotypical bad guy "it's my way or the high way". Think Qwyddion was my favorite, and I liked the female templar lady (Tassia?). Roland and Lacklon were nice too, as was Fairbanks until he was needlessly offed. Miriam didn't quite gel with me. She reminds me a bit of Fenris, but without the charm.
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Post by SwobyJ on Apr 18, 2024 13:58:45 GMT
Again, going to take Word of God over you. Especially since you’ve got some facts wrong and by your logic, there has never been a pacifist in our world either so it’s a word that has no meaning. But fine, I don’t want her to no longer be pro-peace/anti-violence. Is that better? There are pacifists in our world though. There are people who genuinely believe violence - at least between humans and perhaps including more intelligent animals - is so wrong, so incorrect an action, that they do not and will not participate unless under at least heavy duress. There are people who literally take a vow of non-violence and frequently preach against any use of it in any form, besides perhaps the most non-violent disarming physical moves. There are people so against any war, of any kind, that they're immediately a conscientious objector that refuses to participate. But they're rare. They're not Josephine who gladly signs onto an organization regularly engaging in it as a matter of requirement. (Those demons aren't going to kill themselves) Plenty of people have pacifistic notions and beliefs - including and especially many veterans of conflict - but having notions, inclinations, affinity, etc doesn't mean you *are* something. Pacifism isn't baked into her methods, identity, etc enough for her to actually be one. And of course that's better. The example I gave was my rock bottom expectation if they're going to do any 'darker Josephine' story, but I mostly share your want for Dread Wolf to avoid anything of the sort. I agree it'd be a very typical trope to take the dove and turn them into a hawk, but it'd be unnecessary for her. What I really mean is that IF they do that, they at least allow fans of her DAI self to show her in a shining moment (by RP choice) that promotes peace beyond anything she did in DAI. Maybe it can be optional, but it'd be something. The whole situation isn't something I'd prefer though.
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Post by Gileadan on Apr 18, 2024 14:02:47 GMT
Yeah. She is easily the best part of that show. You know the show is shit when its best part is an annoying buffoon. I've only watched the first episode out of curiosity, but yeah... a cheerful bubbly Qunari works about as well as a cheerful bubbly Klingon in my opinion. People seem to like it though.
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Post by Sandetiger on Apr 18, 2024 14:18:14 GMT
I enjoyed Qwydion, I thought it was nice to have a qunari character that wasn't super stoic the way a lot of the Qun qunari are. The Iron Bull is cut from a similar cloth, I think. He just had enough 'serious' to balance the humor, and I reckon Qwydion has some 'serious' to her that we haven't had the opportunity to see yet.
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Post by Sartoz on Apr 18, 2024 14:29:56 GMT
Lighten up LOL ... I loved that buffoon Yeah. She is easily the best part of that show.
LOL... that's some funny air you guys are breathing...
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Post by Sartoz on Apr 18, 2024 14:42:43 GMT
I enjoyed Qwydion, I thought it was nice to have a qunari character that wasn't super stoic the way a lot of the Qun qunari are. The Iron Bull is cut from a similar cloth, I think. He just had enough 'serious' to balance the humor, and I reckon Qwydion has some 'serious' to her that we haven't had the opportunity to see yet.
It's obvious isn't it? Any Q escaping the Qun cult becomes mentally unstable due to a lack of discipline. If she's a LI and a Buffoon in the game, I'm seriously questioning the dev writers and mgmt that approved such insanity. DA4 needs a kick ass team... professionals in their craft that can withstand hardships and deliver the pain. There's no room for a pagliaccio type character.... especially coming after the Arishok. Bull, btw, is a different buffoon.
Talis is not a Q and therefore can act and behave differently. Too bad she was not a LI. I saw potential, there. And... would it not be lovely if Talis showed up in DA4?
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Post by Sartoz on Apr 18, 2024 14:43:17 GMT
I enjoyed Qwydion, I thought it was nice to have a qunari character that wasn't super stoic the way a lot of the Qun qunari are. The Iron Bull is cut from a similar cloth, I think. He just had enough 'serious' to balance the humor, and I reckon Qwydion has some 'serious' to her that we haven't had the opportunity to see yet.
It's obvious isn't it? Any Q escaping the Qun cult becomes mentally unstable due to a lack of discipline. If she's a LI and a Buffoon in the game, I'm seriously questioning the dev writers and mgmt that approved such insanity. DA4 needs a kick ass team... professionals in their craft that can withstand hardships and deliver the pain. There's no room for a pagliaccio type character.... especially coming after the Arishok. Bull, btw, is a different buffoon.
Talis is not a Q and therefore can act and behave differently. Too bad she was not a LI. I saw potential, there. And... would it not be lovely if Talis showed up in DA4?
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Post by Little Bengel on Apr 18, 2024 15:10:05 GMT
It's obvious isn't it? Any Q escaping the Qun cult becomes mentally unstable due to a lack of discipline. Damn this guy is buying into the Qun propaganda.
Couldn't be me.
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Post by Sartoz on Apr 18, 2024 16:21:25 GMT
It's obvious isn't it? Any Q escaping the Qun cult becomes mentally unstable due to a lack of discipline. Damn this guy is buying into the Qun propaganda.
Couldn't be me.
LOL
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Post by Sartoz on Apr 18, 2024 16:58:24 GMT
DA4 gives the No-New-Bio a perfect opportunity to further develop the Qun culture for us. Sten views about human behaviour was hilarious. His alien upbringing was a breath of fresh air. The Arishok further enforced this alien thinking... so different from our human "norms". A reason why I saw Bull's character as an abomination.
Enter Qwydion. If this Saarebas escaped her Aaravard handler, she can be a dangerous mage. ... less educated than the Circle Magi but are inherent more powerful. Very dangerous Saarebas have their lips stiched together as a precaution. Thus, her facial looks is of interest to me. It should tell us something about her background. Personally, N-N-B came up with a sad story of a little girl with magical talent that escape her homeland ( images of Hawke anyone? ) and was brought up receiving magic training from humans. Again, Hawke comes to mind. In this scenario, she obviously will act as a human character and as a possible LI, she has to look appealing.
A true Saarebas, QWydion is behind a cage mask, uninteresting and a boring character. Since the studio wants to write deep and rich characters, a Saarebas just won't do. Pity. I really looked forward to another deep character like the Arishok.
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Post by eaglepursuit on Apr 18, 2024 18:21:41 GMT
Qwydion is obviously Vashoth. She references Andraste and the Maker in exclamations, so she is quite far removed from her Qun origins and has been raised in the predominant Thedasian culture. So, it seems pretty weird to me to expect her to behave like a stoic Qunari.
Her personality has been exagerated in a way to make her comic relief for the sake of the narrative, but aside from that, she is a fairly believable and interesting character. And a breath of fresh air compared to the overly-serious and pious Qunari.
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Post by g_scoundrel on Apr 18, 2024 18:52:22 GMT
A playtester mentioned almost everyone in Dreadwolf having Marvelesque personalities. If that truly is so, then our long awaited badass Qunari lady may turn out to be Qwydion.
Maker, I hope I'm wrong.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 18, 2024 19:18:57 GMT
I really liked him until the very end, then he kinda regressed to the stereotypical bad guy "it's my way or the high way". Think Qwyddion was my favorite, and I liked the female templar lady (Tassia?). Roland and Lacklon were nice too, as was Fairbanks until he was needlessly offed. Miriam didn't quite gel with me. She reminds me a bit of Fenris, but without the charm. i don't know. Part of me did find it disappointing. But also true to his character and true to life somehow. How many actual politicians try to act all nice and reasonable and then turn petty when you poke holes in their ideas? Also exposed the dangers of compromising your principles, blood magic, not even once. I enjoyed Qwydion, I thought it was nice to have a qunari character that wasn't super stoic the way a lot of the Qun qunari are. The Iron Bull is cut from a similar cloth, I think. He just had enough 'serious' to balance the humor, and I reckon Qwydion has some 'serious' to her that we haven't had the opportunity to see yet. Qwydion was serious at times. One of the best moments of the show was her healing the Dragon and her lines around it. Not a scene played for any laughs at all, just straight gooey DA goodness.
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Post by Little Bengel on Apr 18, 2024 20:41:06 GMT
A playtester mentioned almost everyone in Dreadwolf having Marvelesque personalities. If that truly is so, then our long awaited badass Qunari lady may turn out to be Qwydion. Maker, I hope I'm wrong. These kinds of things do tend to be subjective.
I've finished a playthrough of DA2 a week or two ago, the first in a long while. A fair amount of banter and dialogue in it also falls on the funni quippy/quirky side.
Although, if you insist on pushing the "Marvelesque" button, the playtester in question also clarified that what they saw felt closer to the early MCU style (outright namedropping the first Iron Man movie as a point of comparison). Which, to me, doesn't really feel that different from DA's own brand of banter at its lightest.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Apr 18, 2024 21:13:09 GMT
Yeah, DA was always banter heavy (it's what really endeared me to DAO to begin with). Besides, as I recall they made it clear that no characters from Absolution would be companions or even featured in DAD.
I'm far more worried about what happened with the combat aspect than I am with the characters - after all, Weekes wrote some of my most liked characters (like Solas, Mordin, Thane, and so on). I trust they will keep a satisfying standard.
Will miss Gaider's character writing a lot though, he wrote my favorite characters (like Alistair, Zevran, Fenris, Dorian, Flemeth).
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