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Post by DragonKingReborn on Apr 18, 2024 21:18:59 GMT
DA is so banter heavy that when its frequency seemed reduced in DAI it spawned a significant amount of chatter about how to "fix" it. In DA: Origins - Awakening; there were numerous complaints about how you had to click on various points for banter to fire. While it definitely isn't for everyone, it seems there is a reasonably large portion of the player base that considers it integral to the DA experience.
Plus, not for nothing, but Marvel seems to have done OK out of the 'quips'. Their biggest, most successful character was the undisputed King of them. And they're about to release their first movie with his R-Rated heir apparent.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Apr 18, 2024 21:19:48 GMT
The chances of any of the Absolution cast having a major role in DAD - let alone being companions and/or love interests - are extremely remote.
I'm hoping for a cameo or at least whatever our new equivalent of some war table operations is, but the process of writing DAD started long before the Netflix show got started and the characters (Fairbanks aside) weren't invented by BioWare's game writers.
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Post by Sartoz on Apr 18, 2024 21:22:24 GMT
Qwydion is obviously Vashoth. She references Andraste and the Maker in exclamations, so she is quite far removed from her Qun origins and has been raised in the predominant Thedasian culture. So, it seems pretty weird to me to expect her to behave like a stoic Qunari. Her personality has been exagerated in a way to make her comic relief for the sake of the narrative, but aside from that, she is a fairly believable and interesting character. And a breath of fresh air compared to the overly-serious and pious Qunari.
Too bad if so. Even an alien behaves like a human... what a sad day. I was so eager for something new.
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Post by Sartoz on Apr 18, 2024 21:25:15 GMT
A playtester mentioned almost everyone in Dreadwolf having Marvelesque personalities. If that truly is so, then our long awaited badass Qunari lady may turn out to be Qwydion. Maker, I hope I'm wrong.
Then, do you wish for another Wynne mage type?
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Post by Sartoz on Apr 18, 2024 21:31:35 GMT
DA is so banter heavy that when its frequency seemed reduced in DAI it spawned a significant amount of chatter about how to "fix" it. In DA: Origins - Awakening; there were numerous complaints about how you had to click on various points for banter to fire. While it definitely isn't for everyone, it seems there is a reasonably large portion of the player base that considers it integral to the DA experience. Plus, not for nothing, but Marvel seems to have done OK out of the 'quips'. Their biggest, most successful character was the undisputed King of them. And they're about to release their first movie with his R-Rated heir apparent.
Who? Spidey?
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Apr 18, 2024 21:33:05 GMT
Deadpool!
Spidey will not be in any R-rated movies any time soon. Alas.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Apr 19, 2024 0:21:21 GMT
DA is so banter heavy that when its frequency seemed reduced in DAI it spawned a significant amount of chatter about how to "fix" it. In DA: Origins - Awakening; there were numerous complaints about how you had to click on various points for banter to fire. While it definitely isn't for everyone, it seems there is a reasonably large portion of the player base that considers it integral to the DA experience. Plus, not for nothing, but Marvel seems to have done OK out of the 'quips'. Their biggest, most successful character was the undisputed King of them. And they're about to release their first movie with his R-Rated heir apparent.
Who? Spidey? That would certainly be something to see, but no. Like Andraste said, Deadpool.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Apr 19, 2024 0:21:50 GMT
I enjoyed a lot of the cast of Absolution - Miriam, Qwydion, Lachlan, Roland, Rezaren, Tassia.
But while I like Qwydion I'm more interested in a Tal Vashoth companion with the perspective of someone whom was raised in, and rejected, the qun. Qwydion seems more like a Vashoth who couldn't really tell me much about it. Her perspective is more that of a Thedas raised mercenary who faces racism.
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Post by Sartoz on Apr 19, 2024 0:22:40 GMT
Deadpool!
Spidey will not be in any R-rated movies any time soon. Alas.
Of course, Deadpool. Film #2 was not up to par with the first one, imo.
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Post by g_scoundrel on Apr 19, 2024 6:22:57 GMT
A playtester mentioned almost everyone in Dreadwolf having Marvelesque personalities. If that truly is so, then our long awaited badass Qunari lady may turn out to be Qwydion. Maker, I hope I'm wrong.
Then, do you wish for another Wynne mage type?
I wish for someone brand new.
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Post by fistoffiori on Apr 19, 2024 6:49:50 GMT
I quite liked Qwydion myself too, she was fun. I liked the Absolution characters for differing reasons.
If, as playtesters have said, the characters are Marvel-y then perhaps our Qunari lady is like Nebula. Not quite Qunari-stoic but a bit more dour and serious sounding than the other companions.
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Post by gervaise21 on Apr 19, 2024 8:31:16 GMT
The chances of any of the Absolution cast having a major role in DAD - let alone being companions and/or love interests - are extremely remote. I'm hoping for a cameo or at least whatever our new equivalent of some war table operations is, but the process of writing DAD started long before the Netflix show got started and the characters (Fairbanks aside) weren't invented by BioWare's game writers. I agree this is far more likely the case. By the time the Netflix show was in development, let alone came out, the actual story and characters should have been finalised for Dreadwolf. May be they could pop up in War Table missions, if we have one and it was something developed near the end of the production cycle. Besides we were told the Netflix series was meant to be a stand alone story that didn't impact on the game and certainly given it was set up for a sequel, I think if we are going to see the characters again, it will likely be in another Netflix series if it gets the green light. If not, then perhaps in a game in the future but not Dreadwolf. The concept art for Dreadwolf definitely seemed to suggest that the Qunari companion is going to be female and likely a dual wielding rogue. I'm still keeping my fingers crossed that it means it will be Rasaan as WoT2 suggested we were going to see more of her in the future and she did feature in Tevinter Nights (also briefly in the Wraiths of Thedas series if I recall correctly). I still think she would make for a fascinating companion as she would seem to be part of the rebel Antaam and may even have been the one who encouraged the Arishok to break with Par Vollen, so it would be interesting to learn why they did this. Regardless, she is hunting for clues about Solas so that has to bring her into the path of the PC, even if only as an opponent. Also, being the Ariqun in waiting, she is a high ranking priestess of the Qun and must know about their true history. That is really why I want to meet her. An ordinary Tal-Vashoth is not going to know much more than previous Qunari we have encountered but Rasaan ought to be very different.
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Post by Sartoz on Apr 19, 2024 9:58:16 GMT
The chances of any of the Absolution cast having a major role in DAD - let alone being companions and/or love interests - are extremely remote. I'm hoping for a cameo or at least whatever our new equivalent of some war table operations is, but the process of writing DAD started long before the Netflix show got started and the characters (Fairbanks aside) weren't invented by BioWare's game writers. I agree this is far more likely the case. By the time the Netflix show was in development, let alone came out, the actual story and characters should have been finalised for Dreadwolf. May be they could pop up in War Table missions, if we have one and it was something developed near the end of the production cycle. Besides we were told the Netflix series was meant to be a stand alone story that didn't impact on the game and certainly given it was set up for a sequel, I think if we are going to see the characters again, it will likely be in another Netflix series if it gets the green light. If not, then perhaps in a game in the future but not Dreadwolf. The concept art for Dreadwolf definitely seemed to suggest that the Qunari companion is going to be female and likely a dual wielding rogue. I'm still keeping my fingers crossed that it means it will be Rasaan as WoT2 suggested we were going to see more of her in the future and she did feature in Tevinter Nights (also briefly in the Wraiths of Thedas series if I recall correctly). I still think she would make for a fascinating companion as she would seem to be part of the rebel Antaam and may even have been the one who encouraged the Arishok to break with Par Vollen, so it would be interesting to learn why they did this. Regardless, she is hunting for clues about Solas so that has to bring her into the path of the PC, even if only as an opponent. Also, being the Ariqun in waiting, she is a high ranking priestess of the Qun and must know about their true history. That is really why I want to meet her. An ordinary Tal-Vashoth is not going to know much more than previous Qunari we have encountered but Rasaan ought to be very different.
A rogue and a high ranking priestess and part of the rebel antaam and next in line to be the Ariqun?? A bit much, no?
As the potential Ariqun, she'd be one of the three pillars (leaders, if not the leader) of the Qun. A very serious lady, indeed. But, can't see her frolicking amongst humans or even be a companion. So, an ally by necessity it is. The question I have is why she'd taken an unsanctioned invasion of Tevinter, Antiva and Ravain? Hm... as you say, it's more than likely that we'd meet her in a similar way as the Arishok.... in a confrontational manner but bound together as the enemy of my enemy..... If so, I like that too.... BUT... can't see a LI in this scenario.
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Post by Grog Muffins on Apr 19, 2024 10:54:57 GMT
I'm still keeping my fingers crossed that it means it will be Rasaan as WoT2 suggested we were going to see more of her in the future and she did feature in Tevinter Nights (also briefly in the Wraiths of Thedas series if I recall correctly). I still think she would make for a fascinating companion as she would seem to be part of the rebel Antaam and may even have been the one who encouraged the Arishok to break with Par Vollen, so it would be interesting to learn why they did this. Regardless, she is hunting for clues about Solas so that has to bring her into the path of the PC, even if only as an opponent. Also, being the Ariqun in waiting, she is a high ranking priestess of the Qun and must know about their true history. That is really why I want to meet her. An ordinary Tal-Vashoth is not going to know much more than previous Qunari we have encountered but Rasaan ought to be very different. I think anyone hoping for Rassan to be a companion might be setting themselves up for disappointment. She is a character with leadership baked into her being, I don't see there being a way for her to play second fiddle to anyone other than the Arishok, and even that stops once she is named Ariqun. Besides that, she is a prominent and powerful figure and her protagonistic involvement would go against Patrick's older statement of "what happens when the people with power don't do what they should". We also seem to be set up as being in at least a little bit of opposition to the Qunari invasion, making her, at best, a choice of companion based on if you decide to compromise with the Qunari to look for Solas or not compromise with them. Don't get me wrong, I'd be fine with a choice like that (replayability and all that nice jazz), have the path chosen be illustrated not just by the prominent mobs you end up fighting but also by the people who are at your side during the game. However, I don't see Bioware doing something like this with their companions. Best examples I can think of are Loghain vs Alistair and Bethany vs Carver. Loghain vs Alistair was a choice more for the plot to continue functioning for how you decide to deal with the Archdemon, it was late in the game, it functioned as replacement for a companion you already had, and Loghain effectively was humbled to the point where he had nothing left but to follow you around, while Bethany vs Carver wasn't that important in the grand scheme of things for the plot, more for emotional weight to Hawke's personal life. Imagine if in DAI you could recruit only either Dorian or Cole, based on if you sided with the mages or templars, rather than recruiting one first, with the other still showing up at Haven later. To further illustrate with this type of choice, and at risk of someone yelling at me for bringing up non-Bioware games, a Halsin vs Minthara in BG3 or Okku vs One of Many in NWN2 situation, that shows a different character by your side based on your choice of path, also illustrating the morality of that particular playthrough.
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Post by eaglepursuit on Apr 19, 2024 12:38:09 GMT
One might characterize Marvel characters as exemplary people, even before they become Avengers.
Billionaire genius genius scientist trained assassin A god Enhanced war hero Uh... bow guy
Perhaps Varric and Lace have assembled a super group of Tevinter's best.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Apr 19, 2024 13:53:11 GMT
One might characterize Marvel characters as exemplary people, even before they become Avengers. Billionaire genius genius scientist trained assassin A god Enhanced war hero Uh... bow guy Perhaps Varric and Lace have assembled a super group of Tevinter's best. They'd have to be unknown though... you know, so Solas doesn't see them coming. I'm thinking it will all mostly be either people who have some kind of cover that masks their true intent (possibly a Batman like character if we are comparing to comics) or people doing things extremely covertly (perhaps someone a part of/leading an underground slave liberation movement?).
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Post by eaglepursuit on Apr 19, 2024 14:34:14 GMT
One might characterize Marvel characters as exemplary people, even before they become Avengers. Billionaire genius genius scientist trained assassin A god Enhanced war hero Uh... bow guy Perhaps Varric and Lace have assembled a super group of Tevinter's best. They'd have to be unknown though... you know, so Solas doesn't see them coming. I'm thinking it will all mostly be either people who have some kind of cover that masks their true intent (possibly a Batman like character if we are comparing to comics) or people doing things extremely covertly (perhaps someone a part of/leading an underground slave liberation movement?). They don't have to be unknown. They just have to be unfamiliar to Solas. And I doubt he has personally identified and reconnoitered the brightest minds in Tevinter to the extent that he can predict their responses.
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Post by SwobyJ on Apr 19, 2024 16:33:56 GMT
The chances of any of the Absolution cast having a major role in DAD - let alone being companions and/or love interests - are extremely remote. I'm hoping for a cameo or at least whatever our new equivalent of some war table operations is, but the process of writing DAD started long before the Netflix show got started and the characters (Fairbanks aside) weren't invented by BioWare's game writers. The absolute most I'd consider happening: -agreed, small cameo/text mention. -if DLC, perhaps they should consider including them. Like, I wouldn't mind Absolution characters as temp companions, or NPCs around like Descent. -with zero expectations... maybe a DA5 could have their story as inclusive of some Tevinter-tied storyline (without the game focusing on being in the region) I don't expect them to be a big part of DA4 and I wouldn't be surprised if at least most of Absolution is quietly shuffled away. I think it was generally enjoyed by fans though, so I'd prefer its not *ignored* as canon.
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Post by Beerfish on Apr 20, 2024 1:20:42 GMT
To be honest I do not like when characters from books or comics or whatever to make it into the games.
If I have read the stuff I carry a MASSIVE bias for or more likely against the character in game or if I have not read the stuff I end up having no clue this character is that the game is acting like I am familiar with.
The game makers, if they do include a book/comic character have to be VERY skillful in how they are presented to ease bias. One of the few successes in this for me was Cole in DAI. Book bias wanted me to kill him immediately when he showed up in the game. The character/writing/voice acting made me less malevolent towards him.
A lot of other characters however the game makers want you to chum up with I could not get rid of earlier bias and hated the character upon sight.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 20, 2024 1:28:32 GMT
In other news Kingdom Come Deliverance announced its reveal trailer. With the tag at the end for releasing sometime in 2024, a year that is going to end in eight months.
Why is this important?
Well another RPG set in vaguely medeval times it could be the vague tongue in cheek competer with Dreadwolf. As I mentioned I don't think this should be much of a consideration, but it is out there, though I can't say there would be a lot of cross over, after all I'm not interested in it and its blend of historical realism to try and convey how life actually was like in actual Europe is a bit different then BioWare's usual bullwark.
More importantly I think this could be some indication of what BioWare might do and prgonosticating on how the big reveal is going to come in Summer. Basically been thinking that its possible that the big reveal might be in two parts. More of a reveal, teaser where we don't get a release date, followed by a much deeper event with a release date. I have been speculating on this for awhile and think that it could A. satisfy the needs of the conference call and get the next level of their marketing going but B. give them the opprotunity to still hedge their bets when it comes to specifically showing a release date. Now when all this will happen is anyone's guess it could be, as I've mentioned, that we could get something as early as May, or the first tease could even be 'in the summer' (like June) with the other events later on showing the much more specific info.
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Post by fistoffiori on Apr 20, 2024 7:26:28 GMT
More of a reveal, teaser where we don't get a release date, followed by a much deeper event with a release date Yeah, I'd been wondering about this. As I mentioned earlier in the thread (about a month ago?) - while Inquisition had gameplay shown as early as Summer 2013 at industry events and cons, I looked at Youtube for the dates and the proper marketing rollout felt like it started April that year with steady trailers and E3 in the middle until November release. Not expecting anything this month but we may get a pre-gameplay deep dive trailer, hopefully. Whether it gives a date or not (if the deep dive stuff is before the end of August, we could still get a 2024 date announced there, if the game is indeed out in 2024). EA doesn't seem to do EA Play in June/the old E3 weekend any more, it's only really Microsoft that has been sticking to that. That said, Microsoft might want the trailer, they did reveal Star Wars Outlaws last year. Them or Geoff Keighley for SGF.
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Post by gervaise21 on Apr 20, 2024 7:52:40 GMT
As the potential Ariqun, she'd be one of the three pillars (leaders, if not the leader) of the Qun. A very serious lady, indeed. But, can't see her frolicking amongst humans or even be a companion. I think anyone hoping for Rassan to be a companion might be setting themselves up for disappointment. She is a character with leadership baked into her being, I don't see there being a way for her to play second fiddle to anyone other than the Arishok, and even that stops once she is named Ariqun. Besides that, she is a prominent and powerful figure and her protagonistic involvement would go against Patrick's older statement of "what happens when the people with power don't do what they should". These objections can be overcome by the fact she was the Ariqun in waiting. If I am right and she is the reason the Antaam rebelled against the leadership in Par Vollen then to them she is probably now persona non gratia! One of the things they said in the Behind the Scenes video is that the game will explore what people do when those in charge are not dealing with the threats as they should. This would fit with Rasaan feeling that Par Vollen aren't taking the Solas threat seriously, nor perhaps red lyrium for that matter, and so she has gone rogue as a result taking "her" Antaam, as she described them in Tevinter Nights, with her. I still maintain there has to be a good reason why the Antaam not only attacked mainland Tevinter, with whom they have always been officially at war, but also broke the Llomerryn Accords and attacked Antiva. Why would they make such a strategic error, because it leaves them fighting on two fronts, unless there is some urgent reason they needed to do so. The latest trailer suggested something weird was going in in Treviso, which could be linked to that strange magic flowing around that castle. Wanting to counter more out of control magic would be a good reason. Alternatively, the clues concerning Solas have led them there. I agree that it may have nothing to do with Rasaan but if it does, it would explain why she would be willing to work with us, even become part of our team but more as an alliance of equal partners out of convenience, as the Canticle of Shartan claims was the case with him and Andraste. Unlike the Chantry version of the story that claims he was her disciple, the CofS has Andraste acknowledging him as her equal, having been called to lead and free his people as she was hers, which would be very much in keeping with the words of his shade in the Gauntlet when he says "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". How our PC dealt with an ally who very much didn't see themselves as a subordinate but an equal partner in the enterprise might actually be an interesting scenario to explore.
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Post by gervaise21 on Apr 20, 2024 8:07:44 GMT
BUT... can't see a LI in this scenario. I suppose that depends on what you mean by love interest. According to Bull the priestesses seemed okay to act as sexual relief for their troops with no emotional element involved, just practical necessity. In fact, if he was to be believed some of the stuff they would perform was a bit kinky. He didn't develop his attitudes as he did through exposure to the corruption of Orlais but through the instruction of the priestesses! It would be a bit much having similar sexual mores in a Qunari twice in a row but if that is their culture? However, having risen to higher rank, perhaps she had left those attitudes behind and it might well be a case of actually winning her over romantically through mutual respect, even being in more of an asexual or platonic relationship. Whilst the fandom might be outraged if they couldn't romance her, it isn't an absolute prerequisite for every companion, nor does it actually have to involve sex.
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Post by Grog Muffins on Apr 20, 2024 8:54:11 GMT
These objections can be overcome by the fact she was the Ariqun in waiting. If I am right and she is the reason the Antaam rebelled against the leadership in Par Vollen then to them she is probably now persona non gratia! One of the things they said in the Behind the Scenes video is that the game will explore what people do when those in charge are not dealing with the threats as they should. This would fit with Rasaan feeling that Par Vollen aren't taking the Solas threat seriously, nor perhaps red lyrium for that matter, and so she has gone rogue as a result taking "her" Antaam, as she described them in Tevinter Nights, with her. If she is leading her Antaam, I don't see her running around with us. She is the commander of an invasion force that needs an iron grip. She was portrayed as being unbending from what remember in the comics and the short story, I don't see her accepting to not lead. If she thinks our PC would be the best asset to get to and stop Solas, I don't see her not wanting to order us around because she sees herself as in charge of us and she seems to be smart enough to realize if we may try to just fool her into thinking she's in charge when in fact she's not. Even if she is no longer Ariqun in waiting, someone who's had leadership and command drummed into her very being since she was a child would not stop acting like that. This kind of influence struggle and mental 4D chess situation would be cool with an antagonist we have a tenuous partnership with but it would get rather tiring with a companion.
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Post by Little Bengel on Apr 20, 2024 11:09:43 GMT
Yeah, if she's leading the rogue Antaam, I can see her more as the central Qunari antagonist than as a companion.
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