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Post by Little Bengel on May 17, 2024 18:05:49 GMT
It may be due to the OS.... I have a 64bit version and the specs says Win 7 - 8Good thing it was free. I have Win 11 too and it runs perfectly, so I'll be very surprised if it's that.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 17, 2024 18:59:41 GMT
Lol, as someone who has raised crows before, they are such wonderful birds and I can't believe so many people are like "ew, vermin." They're smart, loyal, mischievous, and absolutely beautiful. I think it's a great association for a character to have. Morrigan and Leliana also have corvid bird associations, btw (Morrigan has raven hair and likes shiny things; Leliana uses ravens to send messages). Well Rooks and other types of crows are seen as vermin by many because they destroyed crops. Hence needing things like scarecrows. Rats are smart and sweet too, yet also seen as vermin.
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Post by ClarkKent on May 17, 2024 20:32:20 GMT
"Rook". Eh, I've heard better, and I've heard worse. It's short and to the point. Regretfully, I have yet to learn how to play chess properly, so that symbolism currently eludes me. If Rook is indeed the protagonist of Dreadwolf's title, I won't complain. But out of curiosity, for everyone who does dislike it, why? Just what about the name Rook in of itself irritates you so? My feelings would depend on what the title is in reference to. I know nothing about chess so the usefulness of the rook piece is lost on me so I'm ambivalent there. In relation to the bird, it makes me think of the Rooks from AC Syndicate, which is the only AC game I played longer than 2 hours and actually finished and enjoyed, so that makes me remember fun times. I have something similar. It reminds me of the protagonist from the last great Halo single player campaign, ODST. Gosh, they really did remove all the appeal of the ODST later on.
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Post by celestielf on May 17, 2024 21:25:16 GMT
Lol, as someone who has raised crows before, they are such wonderful birds and I can't believe so many people are like "ew, vermin." They're smart, loyal, mischievous, and absolutely beautiful. I think it's a great association for a character to have. Morrigan and Leliana also have corvid bird associations, btw (Morrigan has raven hair and likes shiny things; Leliana uses ravens to send messages). Well Rooks and other types of crows are seen as vermin by many because they destroyed crops. Hence needing things like scarecrows. Rats are smart and sweet too, yet also seen as vermin. It's true that certain people see them this way; I just personally disagree. 🙂 They can certainly be destructive, but that's true of any animal (and humans). In terms of symbolism, which is the relevance of them to Dragon Age and Rook, they represent some interesting themes from irl mythology and Thedas mythology. Whether those themes will actually play into the protagonist's role is just idle speculation on my part.
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Post by colfoley on May 17, 2024 23:09:50 GMT
Other thing worth mentioning which I forgot. But the little red book which Darrah has featured as recently as Thedas Calls has a chess rook on it with I believe maybe a stylized wolf head. So it is safe to say, while there could be other implied and deliberate symbolism that A. The name Rook is still in play and B. They are making a direct reference to the chess piece.
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Post by eaglepursuit on May 17, 2024 23:40:26 GMT
Other thing worth mentioning which I forgot. But the little red book which Darrah has featured as recently as Thedas Calls has a chess rook on it with I believe maybe a stylized wolf head. So it is safe to say, while there could be other implied and deliberate symbolism that A. The name Rook is still in play and B. They are making a direct reference to the chess piece. I had forgotten about that. Interestingly, the Rook in chess is named after rookeries, which were often kept in towers. This in turn is named after the bird, the rook.
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Post by Sartoz on May 18, 2024 0:13:10 GMT
It may be due to the OS.... I have a 64bit version and the specs says Win 7 - 8Good thing it was free. I have Win 11 too and it runs perfectly, so I'll be very surprised if it's that.
Interesting. Also bought ME Legendary Edition from Steam.... same thing with W11... except it works in Win 10. Playing ME1 now.
I'll figure it out... eventually.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 18, 2024 2:01:18 GMT
Well Rooks and other types of crows are seen as vermin by many because they destroyed crops. Hence needing things like scarecrows. Rats are smart and sweet too, yet also seen as vermin. It's true that certain people see them this way; I just personally disagree. 🙂 They can certainly be destructive, but that's true of any animal (and humans). In terms of symbolism, which is the relevance of them to Dragon Age and Rook, they represent some interesting themes from irl mythology and Thedas mythology. Whether those themes will actually play into the protagonist's role is just idle speculation on my part. Ph I absolutely agree. Don’t see either vermin myself, but I don’t blame say farmers and others that do.
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Post by Walter Black on May 18, 2024 3:31:45 GMT
"Rook". Eh, I've heard better, and I've heard worse. It's short and to the point. Regretfully, I have yet to learn how to play chess properly, so that symbolism currently eludes me. If Rook is indeed the protagonist of Dreadwolf's title, I won't complain. But out of curiosity, for everyone who does dislike it, why? Just what about the name Rook in of itself irritates you so? Well for starters, not a fan of any of the implications that come with the tirle if we go by definition of the word. Chess piece: big dumb unit that only ever charges straight in or gets used as a meat shield. Bird: Vermin ugly crow that symbolizes bad luck. Rookie: Many have expressed why this isn’t good. Description: Calling a person a rook means they are a swindler or a cheat, so not thrilled at what that means for personality or story options. Or, a title with such stereotypes could allow us to stay under the radar while we work. When antagonists underestimate and/or misinterpret us, we can use that to our advantage. You don't necessarily need to lie to keep secrets, or let an enemy come to the wrong conclusions. We all knew coming in that subterfuge and subverting expectations was going to be a big part of DA:D. Such a cover also provides a good foil to the Inquisitor, who by their very nature had to be out in the open. Just because the Rook may have negative connotations to others, doesn't mean we won't be able to define what it is for us. Oh, and another animal that operates in the shadows and is often blamed for the worst traits of just a portion? Bats. Once upon a time, many people were just as skeptical that you could market a hero based on winged rodents...
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Post by colfoley on May 18, 2024 3:34:45 GMT
Well for starters, not a fan of any of the implications that come with the tirle if we go by definition of the word. Chess piece: big dumb unit that only ever charges straight in or gets used as a meat shield. Bird: Vermin ugly crow that symbolizes bad luck. Rookie: Many have expressed why this isn’t good. Description: Calling a person a rook means they are a swindler or a cheat, so not thrilled at what that means for personality or story options. Or, a title with such stereotypes could allow us to stay under the radar while we work. When antagonists underestimate and/or misinterpret us, we can use that to our advantage. You don't necessarily need to lie to keep secrets, or let an enemy come to the wrong conclusions. We all knew coming in that subterfuge and subverting expectations was going to be a big part of DA:D. Such a cover also provides a good foil to the Inquisitor, who by their very nature had to be out in the open. Just because the Rook may have negative connotations to others, doesn't mean we won't be able to define what it is for us. Oh, and another animal that operates in the shadows and is often blamed for the worst traits of just a portion? Bats. Once upon a time, many people were just as skeptical that you could market a hero based on winged rodents... that's a bingo.
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Post by githcheater on May 18, 2024 3:45:27 GMT
I plan on buying DAD on Steam to limit EA profits, as the EA suits need to go on a diet, after laying off and munching on all those longtime BioWare employees. Sorry ... I quoted wrong reply ... You do realize that just means BioWare gets even lower cut?
Like why do Valve suits deserve a cut when they aren't even involved in game development?
Considering we need to use EA App anyway, I see no reason to use Steam to launch the game. Valve already got a ton of money from me anyway, they'll live.
Unlike EA suits, Valve suits did not impede DA game development by insisting on Frostbite, by vetoing Joplin, by diverting DA personnel to Andromeda and Anthem, by insisting on live service, and by laying off veteran employees in the middle of development. People not using the EA App to buy directly from EA is not Bioware's fault if people prefer Epic or Steam for whatever reason ... Besides, I am a happy Valve customer, having purchased a ton of cheap games from Steam (and acquired a few freebies), and I have never bought a non-EA game using the EA APP.
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Post by Spectr61 on May 18, 2024 6:15:13 GMT
Don't understand all the misgivings over Rook.
Just substitute an N for the R, and voila, harmony.
(works especially well for the Rookie version)......
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Post by gervaise21 on May 18, 2024 6:35:48 GMT
It may be due to the OS.... I have a 64bit version and the specs says Win 7 - 8 Part of the reason I didn't take the free upgrade of my system to Windows 10 some years ago is that I read some old games wouldn't run on it. Not wanting to lose all my good games, I thought I would wait, get a PC and then see if they would run on it then. Not long now until I know what spec I am going to need for DA:D. It's about time.
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Post by colfoley on May 18, 2024 7:43:44 GMT
You do realize that just means BioWare gets even lower cut?
Like why do Valve suits deserve a cut when they aren't even involved in game development?
Considering we need to use EA App anyway, I see no reason to use Steam to launch the game. Valve already got a ton of money from me anyway, they'll live.
Unlike EA suits, Valve suits did not impede DA game development by insisting on Frostbite, by vetoing Joplin, by diverting DA personnel to Andromeda and Anthem, by insisting on live service, and by laying off veteran employees in the middle of development. People not using the EA App to buy directly from EA is not Bioware's fault if people prefer Epic or Steam for whatever reason ... Besides, I am a happy Valve customer, having purchased a ton of cheap games from Steam (and acquired a few freebies), and I have never bought a non-EA game using the EA APP. All things told Frostbite is a pretty great engine who they have made some pretty great games with. Yes, there are rumors its a bit on the clunky side but then it all boils down to what is going to be the bigger cost...trying to figure out Frostbite or having to liscence out to get a third party engine which probably won't work for your game in the first place. Like it makes perfect sense to try and keep costs down and EA allowing their dev teams to farm out to other third party engines may just drive up costs which will mean the stakes on the failure of these games will be that much higher. Whilst I'm not in the room I would still maintain going away from Frostbite to Unreal...or another engine...isn't the best idea. Their last three games have been made on them and two of them were very great experiences and plus switching away would mean they'd throw out all that experience. As far as diverting personel, at least in the last few games I've been following the dev of of theirs this seems to be a fairly regular occurence. Personel were shifted around to Andromeda, Anthem, and now Dreadwolf away from their 'main projects.' This isn't just for BioWare as EA has also lent BioWare devs from their other studios to lend their expertise to help them finalize. And I am pretty sure I have heard of other studios/ publishers following similar procegures for their games even if their dev is going smoothly. Live service has also been a part of BioWare games for awhile now, or at the very least elements there of. Haven't talked about this chestnut in awhile but we are talking all three Dragon Age games and three of the four ME games have all had single player live service. Meanwhile the game that didn't have such stuff in its SP, or at least very minimal, was Andromeda which also didn't do too well either, as has been discussed around here before. Kind of piggybacking off the above but when it comes to Joplin while the grass always looks greener on a hypothetical, especially given the state of things, I remain unconvinced. BioWare was going through a lot of drama and bad press at the time, BioWare was going through one full blown failure at the time and then a game which didn't do that much better. EAs leadership was a mess. BioWare's leadership was a mess. They were just going through a lot of overwork at the time if we can believe David Gaider's, and a few other people's, testimonies. Then on top of it all Mark Darrah has also gone into their plan original plan to make DA 4/Joplin at the time the first of multiple 'true sequels'. Which sounds pretty ambitious, indeed I kind of suspect they have effectively stuffed all three game ideas into one, but this essentially creates the same potential problems as EAs live service mandates. It is very likely that if Joplin released without all the lessons and maturity which both BioWare and EA has learned over the last ten years it had a high chance of being a financial failure which also likely would've had dire consequences for the studio. Don't understand all the misgivings over Rook. Just substitute an N for the R, and voila, harmony. (works especially well for the Rookie version)...... Vishanta Kaffas! This took me way too long to figure out.
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Post by Solas on May 18, 2024 10:27:59 GMT
Don't understand all the misgivings over Rook. Just substitute an N for the R, and voila, harmony.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on May 18, 2024 12:01:14 GMT
Advantages of being rook: we'll be smart enough to solve the inevitable Tower of Hanoi! Proof
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Post by The Loyal Nub on May 18, 2024 16:03:09 GMT
I have Win 11 too and it runs perfectly, so I'll be very surprised if it's that.
Interesting. Also bought ME Legendary Edition from Steam.... same thing with W11... except it works in Win 10. Playing ME1 now.
I'll figure it out... eventually.
It's possible, from what I've seen online, that a Windows 11 installation might be removing some files needed for backwards compatibility and this is biting Steam users harder because Steam installations are not including these files. Epic too I suspect. Apparently if you reinstall from EA app or Origin it installs the needed files for you. One thing you might try is to run the game in a compatibility mode and select windows 10 compatibility.
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Post by Beerfish on May 18, 2024 18:33:55 GMT
Advantages of being rook: we'll be smart enough to solve the inevitable Tower of Hanoi! ProofWhere was that fing crow when i had to do that stupid puzzle in mass effect and instead had to pay 100 credits each time to avoid the puzzle.
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Post by fistoffiori on May 18, 2024 21:13:26 GMT
I've probably mentioned, or lets be honest JOKED about it before, but maybe Rook lives in a slum?
Back in Victorian London there were dwellings nicknamed rookeries, where many people lived in a small crappy space (like Rooks - as in the bird - cram many of themselves in), think of Fagin and the lads in Oliver Twist, though I guess this example is only really befitting of a Rogue class character?
Silly thought and probably completely wrong but I was faffing about again with AC Syndicate, where Jacob names the gang the Rooks and it clicked that Victorian London may provide an inspiration.
Imagine it's the chess piece though, huh?
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Post by QuizzyBunny on May 18, 2024 21:56:25 GMT
Just worth noting, the Tower (which is a common alternative name for the Rook) is also featured in tarot cards, and we know tarot symbolism has already been used. Wikipedia says:
Might just be a coincidence, but worth having in mind.
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Post by colfoley on May 18, 2024 22:00:38 GMT
I've probably mentioned, or lets be honest JOKED about it before, but maybe Rook lives in a slum? Back in Victorian London there were dwellings nicknamed rookeries, where many people lived in a small crappy space (like Rooks - as in the bird - cram many of themselves in), think of Fagin and the lads in Oliver Twist, though I guess this example is only really befitting of a Rogue class character? Silly thought and probably completely wrong but I was faffing about again with AC Syndicate, where Jacob names the gang the Rooks and it clicked that Victorian London may provide an inspiration. Imagine it's the chess piece though, huh? multiple bits of symbolism can be used for things and it would be very in ccharacter for Varric to pick up a random street rat and dub him 'Rook' specifically for both meanings.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on May 18, 2024 23:44:49 GMT
Just worth noting, the Tower (which is a common alternative name for the Rook) is also featured in tarot cards, and we know tarot symbolism has already been used. Wikipedia says: Might just be a coincidence, but worth having in mind. Fun fact: The Tower card in the dragon age tarot deck that came with the collector edition is Solas' post-game tarot card.
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Post by gervaise21 on May 19, 2024 7:15:39 GMT
Just worth noting, the Tower (which is a common alternative name for the Rook) is also featured in tarot cards, and we know tarot symbolism has already been used. Wikipedia says: The Tower is widely associated to danger, crisis, sudden change, destruction, higher learning, and liberation. Might just be a coincidence, but worth having in mind. Fun fact: The Tower card in the dragon age tarot deck that came with the collector edition is Solas' post-game tarot card. In that case, the Tower/Rook isn't our hero but Solas. However, I did have a theory that ultimately our hero will become the new Dreadwolf, partly based off the words of Solas in the Behind the Scenes video: "They call me the Dreadwolf, what will they call you?" So, that could mean we will be the Rook that ultimately fulfills the description of the tarot card for the Tower.
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Post by colfoley on May 19, 2024 7:36:59 GMT
Just worth noting, the Tower (which is a common alternative name for the Rook) is also featured in tarot cards, and we know tarot symbolism has already been used. Wikipedia says: The Tower is widely associated to danger, crisis, sudden change, destruction, higher learning, and liberation. Might just be a coincidence, but worth having in mind. Fun fact: The Tower card in the dragon age tarot deck that came with the collector edition is Solas' post-game tarot card. In that case, the Tower/Rook isn't our hero but Solas. However, I did have a theory that ultimately our hero will become the new Dreadwolf, partly based off the words of Solas in the Behind the Scenes video: "They call me the Dreadwolf, what will they call you?" So, that could mean we will be the Rook that ultimately fulfills the description of the tarot card for the Tower. Or could be a hint at some sort of ultimate alliance, even if its temporary, between Solas and our protagonist.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 19, 2024 8:22:57 GMT
In that case, the Tower/Rook isn't our hero but Solas. However, I did have a theory that ultimately our hero will become the new Dreadwolf, partly based off the words of Solas in the Behind the Scenes video: "They call me the Dreadwolf, what will they call you?" So, that could mean we will be the Rook that ultimately fulfills the description of the tarot card for the Tower. Or could be a hint at some sort of ultimate alliance, even if its temporary, between Solas and our protagonist. Dear Maker I hope not. Don’t want to be forced to ally with the genocidal maniac.
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