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Post by The Loyal Nub on Jun 12, 2024 12:36:22 GMT
I am afraid the developers have confirmed that game does have a few biomes that are of hinterlands size. So no not open world but there will be some large areas mixed with areas that are more focused and directed.
Hinterland size exploration, as long as it is NOT empty space, I don't mind. Actually, I'd use it as a break from all that super speedy combat, that I don't like.
I am hoping for some side quests of Witcher 3 or at least AC Odyssey quality. I'd probably prefer some large hubs stuffed with fantasy eye candy as I like to play tourist in the bigger open world games and stumble on interesting vistas like old Elven ruins or some weed encrusted Dwarf statue. That sort of thing.
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Post by Sartoz on Jun 12, 2024 12:36:36 GMT
Regarding whether there were any restrictions on joining Factions.Mad madzilla84 they were answering a few Qs on discord yesterday and said there were no restrictions (except that you can’t be a dwarven mage)
Lace with magic but no one else. Idiots! Why can't I be the Protag magic dwarf user as an exception?
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Post by The Loyal Nub on Jun 12, 2024 12:38:14 GMT
So long as there are no more "collect X amount of elfroot and Y amount of royal elfroot" type quests... Hey, do not deny us the Elfroot Games (gotta get that elfroot) To be honest the green vase thing I saw in the gameplay coupled with the announced return of healing spells is sooo much better.
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Post by Sartoz on Jun 12, 2024 12:39:13 GMT
I am really worried about the amount of skills we have access to at a time.
You mean the low number of skills available at any one time. Super disappointed....
Supposedly an RPG but turned into a semi looter shooter combat . Not a fan.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 12, 2024 12:44:10 GMT
The thought has occurred to me, but then 3 out of 4 games would have a mage canong PC, and that feels a bit boring ngl. I know I should see every new game as new start and play what I like the most, but I can't stop obsessing over the "overall story" I'm creating (if that makes any sense). Ah someone after my own heart. I went back into the Keep yesterday to be sure that my "canon" run was all set up from DAO, only to learn later that it was no longer necessary. I still have in the back of my mind the heroes that led up to any particular Inquisitor and that does influence who I choose to run with and what PC I develop this time round. Trouble is I can't remember precisely the hero sequence that led to my first Inquisitor, my female mage Lavellan who romanced Solas but I'm fairly certain Hawke wasn't a mage and neither was the Warden (which means they must have both been rogues as I not really into being a fighter), so I suppose if I run with a mage this time, that will be two rogues followed by two mages. However, if I go with my male Lavellan, who was a rogue, then Hawke was a mage and the Warden was a rogue, which means I need to have Rook as a mage or I'll have too many rogues. Now if they would re-introduce the Spirit Warrior class I'd be okay as I'd probably opt for a fighter then. Am I overthinking this?
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Post by Sartoz on Jun 12, 2024 12:44:52 GMT
Hinterland size exploration, as long as it is NOT empty space, I don't mind. Actually, I'd use it as a break from all that super speedy combat, that I don't like.
I am hoping for some side quests of Witcher 3 or at least AC Odyssey quality. I'd probably prefer some large hubs stuffed with fantasy eye candy as I like to play tourist in the bigger open world games and stumble on interesting vistas like old Elven ruins or some weed encrusted Dwarf statue. That sort of thing.
Exactly.... BUT I want to find the equivalent of the Pink Rose found in DA2... in one of those "bustling Hubs".
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Jun 12, 2024 12:48:44 GMT
Hey, do not deny us the Elfroot Games (gotta get that elfroot) To be honest the green vase thing I saw in the gameplay coupled with the announced return of healing spells is sooo much better. The Elfroot has ... other functionalities too
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jun 12, 2024 12:48:56 GMT
I just caught up on the Solas discussion and just want to throw in my two cents. We don't know everything Solas knows so there's no way to say he is 100% right or wrong for what he's doing. Even if many innocents are dying at the moment. The thing is, maybe the Veil is coming down regardless if he does or doesn't bring it down himself? Maybe bringing it down a little earlier will save the world because he can control it in a way that it naturally failing wouldn't do? Like if it came down naturally maybe everything dies or suffers a fate worse than death but if he brings it down with his "precautions" some will be restored to what they were? That is to say, it's the problem of 90 000 people dying to save 10 000 because if they didn't then all 100 000 would die. So incidental mass murder vs complete extinction. Or like Commander Shepard in the Arrival DLC. Commander Shepard in the Arrival DLC. She/He let an entire system of Batarians die because they deemed it the lesser evil rather then let the Reapers arrive early to an unprepared galaxy. If Solas is convinced there are only two options. He will pick the lesser of two evils. The lesser evil in his mind at least. The problem with Solas is that he's convinced only he can do something (his name does mean Pride after all) about it. No one knows more about the Veil than he does. The better option would have been to have been open about why he thinks this is the only option. Since this is a video game, there will probably be a third option (or at least a way to avert the worst) that our protagonists will discover during the course of the game. Good people or (misguided people) can do evil things if they believe it's for the greater good. Just like someone who's evil can do something good without intending to. I actually agree with this. Nobody should make a judgement without having all the info. Jumping to conclusions always ends badly. The thing is in DAI Solas is a race supremacist if I remember correctly (been 10 years for me). He basically considered his people more valuable than the people in current Thedas. He was fine with a lot of people dying in the transition period because they were lesser people to him. There is absolutely no spinning this in a good way. I'm a little worried DAV will downplay this by revealing how Solas wasn't being super racist but withholding crucial information about how even more people would die if he didn't intervene like you're suggesting. This is not all the narrative we had before. He simply thought his vision of the future was superior and casualties were acceptable. Now maybe that world WOULD be beautiful and the casualties would be worth the utopia he was dreaming about. But that's like Shepard picking synthesis because the catalyst said "trust me, bro" deciding the fate of every person. Nobody has the right to do that. So the only way forward redeeming Solas for me would be for him to finally realize he was wrong. And now he'll help stop the old gods from destroying Thedas. I can forgive misguided insanity. Turn your life around and be useful to society and I'll give you a second chance. I would absolutely hate for Solas to be the secret good guy who was sacrificing the few for the many because he thought there was no other way. That is not who he was before. There's no reason why we wouldn't have mentioned this before. Not sure I want him as an ally though against the other gods early on. I think that's what's going to happen. But I would have preferred the choice of an evil option agreeing with Solas about bringing down the veil at the end. Join him or convince him he was wrong and THEN have him help you fix it. I'm really setting myself up for disappointment, I think...
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jun 12, 2024 13:01:47 GMT
The thought has occurred to me, but then 3 out of 4 games would have a mage canong PC, and that feels a bit boring ngl. I know I should see every new game as new start and play what I like the most, but I can't stop obsessing over the "overall story" I'm creating (if that makes any sense). Ah someone after my own heart. I went back into the Keep yesterday to be sure that my "canon" run was all set up from DAO, only to learn later that it was no longer necessary. I still have in the back of my mind the heroes that led up to any particular Inquisitor and that does influence who I choose to run with and what PC I develop this time round. Trouble is I can't remember precisely the hero sequence that led to my first Inquisitor, my female mage Lavellan who romanced Solas but I'm fairly certain Hawke wasn't a mage and neither was the Warden (which means they must have both been rogues as I not really into being a fighter), so I suppose if I run with a mage this time, that will be two rogues followed by two mages. However, if I go with my male Lavellan, who was a rogue, then Hawke was a mage and the Warden was a rogue, which means I need to have Rook as a mage or I'll have too many rogues. Now if they would re-introduce the Spirit Warrior class I'd be okay as I'd probably opt for a fighter then. Am I overthinking this? Probably I don't really play thinking abou twhat my previous hreoes were or not. I just play them as eqach gam eis it's own seperate stor yimo. Tbh whatever my nex tplaythrough or 2 is basedoff wha tI choos ein the keep will likely be th eone I carr yint oVeilguard when it comes out. It won' tb ethe DAI run I 've got on the go. Because I'm planning a run o r2 of al l3 before I start my firs tVeilguard run.
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Post by Grog Muffins on Jun 12, 2024 13:14:59 GMT
The thought has occurred to me, but then 3 out of 4 games would have a mage canong PC, and that feels a bit boring ngl. I know I should see every new game as new start and play what I like the most, but I can't stop obsessing over the "overall story" I'm creating (if that makes any sense). Ah someone after my own heart. I went back into the Keep yesterday to be sure that my "canon" run was all set up from DAO, only to learn later that it was no longer necessary. I still have in the back of my mind the heroes that led up to any particular Inquisitor and that does influence who I choose to run with and what PC I develop this time round. Trouble is I can't remember precisely the hero sequence that led to my first Inquisitor, my female mage Lavellan who romanced Solas but I'm fairly certain Hawke wasn't a mage and neither was the Warden (which means they must have both been rogues as I not really into being a fighter), so I suppose if I run with a mage this time, that will be two rogues followed by two mages. However, if I go with my male Lavellan, who was a rogue, then Hawke was a mage and the Warden was a rogue, which means I need to have Rook as a mage or I'll have too many rogues. Now if they would re-introduce the Spirit Warrior class I'd be okay as I'd probably opt for a fighter then. Am I overthinking this? The only string of heroes I remember completely is the one where I was planning on having all PCs die: elf mage Warden with ultimate sacrifice, mage Hawke left in the Fade, qunari mage Inquisitor who wants to stop Solas so maybe there is gonna be a death waiting for him too. I remember it mostly because I made this world state for laughs but then got attached to it because of the tragedy. I don't really remember any other world states fully because it's been so long, I mostly remember the Inquisitors because they're freshest but for some I remember only the Wardens while for others I remember only the Hawkes. This is the main reason why I was planning on starting another run through of the games with new PCs after they announced a release date but the Keep is not gonna be used anymore so there's no point there, and I have been left a bit trepidations on my desire to buy Veilguard at launch until I see more of it.
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Post by sloth on Jun 12, 2024 13:18:43 GMT
Yes and also wondering, will we have a non-spoiler section? The short answer is 'yes'. The long answer is that before launch almost any promotional material is potentially spoilery. After launch day (actually 3-4 days before launch) the whole forum should act as a non-spoiler zone except specific threads allowing spoilers. Any significant spoiler should be spoiler tagged across the forum, except in spoiler threads. And we need a thread which is a total spoiler-free zone where people can hide when they want to go dark. a spoiler-free thread like that would be great! thanks!
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Jun 12, 2024 13:40:43 GMT
I know my canon run perfectly by heart:
1. Female mage elf warden that romanced Alistair and made him king (although originally I made him a warden, but DAI forced me to make my one big retroactive canon change so I wouldn't have to kill him or Hawke) 2. Female mage Hawke that romanced Fenris and supported the mages 3. Female rogue Inquisitor that romanced Solas, disbanded the Inquisition, reluctantly made Leliana Divine, and promised to redeem Solas
I guess for the biggest variety I should do dwarf/qunari warrior and play as a bit of a hardass (and perhaps romance my first rogue looking at you Lucanis), but... warrior has such little appeal to me, and if there's a ton of parrying it's going to be even worse than normal. The camera angles also bother me when playing dwarf, although that might just be a matter of habit. Knowing myself I'll just be another elven mage again lol.
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Post by lk13 on Jun 12, 2024 13:43:33 GMT
One thing that I've always predicted and that I still think I might be right is: the fate of Solas won't actually be in Rook's hands. Like, sure, we'll likely destroy his plans, make his life difficult (and the life of the other two baddies that showed up) maybe we'll scuffle a bit, have a bossfight of sorts (would it even work with an elven "god"? maybe the lyrium dagger is the only thing that can harm him\depower him?) but we won't be the ones to actually do him in.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jun 12, 2024 14:15:03 GMT
One thing that I've always predicted and that I still think I might be right is: the fate of Solas won't actually be in Rook's hands. Like, sure, we'll likely destroy his plans, make his life difficult (and the life of the other two baddies that showed up) maybe we'll scuffle a bit, have a bossfight of sorts (would it even work with an elven "god"? maybe the lyrium dagger is the only thing that can harm him\depower him?) but we won't be the ones to actually do him in. Yes. I'm thinking it's either inky who ends up killing him or Solas dies heroically defeating the two released evanuris.
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Post by saandrig on Jun 12, 2024 14:21:09 GMT
(and perhaps romance my first rogue looking at you Lucanis) I should also totally romance my first rogue...
*runs from Leliana, Isabela and Sera*
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Post by jediguardian on Jun 12, 2024 15:53:38 GMT
Anyone know what 2 icon under 3 main skill mean. Ability? 2nd weapon? untimate spell/skill?
PS. I like that they show team that don't have warrior. Mine will be All mage (in most scenario)
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Post by The Elder King on Jun 12, 2024 16:00:03 GMT
Anyone know what 2 icon under 3 main skill mean. Ability? 2nd weapon? untimate spell/skill?
PS. I like that they show team that don't have warrior. Mine will be All mage (in most scenario)
I have a feeling the 2nd weapon (not sure what it'll be for the mage) is switched with the key/button connected to the icon next to the potion icon. I do think one of those could be an ultimate, as some previews talked/teased about it.
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Post by g_scoundrel on Jun 12, 2024 16:04:24 GMT
I've been gone for less than 24 hours and this thread is thirty pages longer now. Wow, guys, just wow.
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Post by Little Bengel on Jun 12, 2024 16:08:08 GMT
Anyone know what 2 icon under 3 main skill mean. Ability? 2nd weapon? untimate spell/skill? PS. I like that they show team that don't have warrior. Mine will be All mage (in most scenario)
I know that in the gameplay demo, the left icon corresponded to the bow & arrow (since Rook was a rogue there), so that might be an alternate weapon kind of deal? Maybe? The right I don't know, but I do notice that it is a spiky circle, and the skill tree prototype shown in 2023 had a few of those:
I'm still wondering what those are, myself.
(EDIT: though it could also be an ultimate ability, as TEK described, in which case I'd say it's probably what the spiked diamonds are now.)
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Post by trengilly on Jun 12, 2024 16:44:36 GMT
Regarding whether there were any restrictions on joining Factions.Mad madzilla84 they were answering a few Qs on discord yesterday and said there were no restrictions (except that you can’t be a dwarven mage)
Lace with magic but no one else. Idiots! Why can't I be the Protag magic dwarf user as an exception?
I'm guessing you might be able to pick up some magic even as a Dwarf. I suspect Harding gets her unexpected magical ability from the introduction if Rook brings her to disrupt Solas' ritual. Rook may also pickup some powers at the same time.
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Post by sloth on Jun 12, 2024 16:52:58 GMT
After processing while sleeping (Sorry haven't catch up with the posts): I have to get something out of my mind. I hope you can help me: After seeing the gameplay i was, okay better then the trailer. But now i think of people i want to show DA:TV and i am not sure, if new player can easy get into this. Can someone ask in Discord, how far at the beginning the gameplay section is? The story start very abrupt. I don't think new player like so much info at ones. In all other DA games we start slow on infos. I had have no problem to say to new gamer you don't need the games before. But with this game i am not so sure anymore. I'm guessing that the gameplay reveal showed the very beginning of the game but I think, regarding a possible abrupt start, maybe the same could be said about the DAI beginning? DA:TV does have more things and important characters appearing right from the start, but the developers are saying that they focused on new players too, since the last game was released 10 years ago. I guess the first quest is supposed to be "everything happening too fast to make clear how chaotic this in-game world has become", but when the dust clears, they start to explain everything calmly
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Post by jrpN7 on Jun 12, 2024 17:23:00 GMT
I just caught up on the Solas discussion and just want to throw in my two cents. We don't know everything Solas knows so there's no way to say he is 100% right or wrong for what he's doing. Even if many innocents are dying at the moment. The thing is, maybe the Veil is coming down regardless if he does or doesn't bring it down himself? Maybe bringing it down a little earlier will save the world because he can control it in a way that it naturally failing wouldn't do? Like if it came down naturally maybe everything dies or suffers a fate worse than death but if he brings it down with his "precautions" some will be restored to what they were? That is to say, it's the problem of 90 000 people dying to save 10 000 because if they didn't then all 100 000 would die. So incidental mass murder vs complete extinction. Or like Commander Shepard in the Arrival DLC. Commander Shepard in the Arrival DLC. She/He let an entire system of Batarians die because they deemed it the lesser evil rather then let the Reapers arrive early to an unprepared galaxy. If Solas is convinced there are only two options. He will pick the lesser of two evils. The lesser evil in his mind at least. The problem with Solas is that he's convinced only he can do something (his name does mean Pride after all) about it. No one knows more about the Veil than he does. The better option would have been to have been open about why he thinks this is the only option. Since this is a video game, there will probably be a third option (or at least a way to avert the worst) that our protagonists will discover during the course of the game. Good people or (misguided people) can do evil things if they believe it's for the greater good. Just like someone who's evil can do something good without intending to. -snip- Yes, this is precisely what many of us were trying to get at. Some people are rabid convinced that Solas is just an evil mass murderer. Others, like myself, who may or may not ultimately like him, still understand him to have been a good companion who cared for others and has an authentic desire to stop pain, death, and suffering. He is not an evil mass murderer. We don't have the full picture that Solas does about the Veil and by stopping his ritual we may actually be endangering more lives in the future- we just don't know. All we know is that innocents are dying, and the moral compass of the Inquisitor, or Rook, demands he must be stopped. I will still kill Solas, but that's what makes it so tragic- he was a good egg with good intentions.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 12, 2024 17:57:43 GMT
I just caught up on the Solas discussion and just want to throw in my two cents. We don't know everything Solas knows so there's no way to say he is 100% right or wrong for what he's doing. Even if many innocents are dying at the moment. The thing is, maybe the Veil is coming down regardless if he does or doesn't bring it down himself? Maybe bringing it down a little earlier will save the world because he can control it in a way that it naturally failing wouldn't do? Like if it came down naturally maybe everything dies or suffers a fate worse than death but if he brings it down with his "precautions" some will be restored to what they were? That is to say, it's the problem of 90 000 people dying to save 10 000 because if they didn't then all 100 000 would die. So incidental mass murder vs complete extinction. Or like Commander Shepard in the Arrival DLC. Commander Shepard in the Arrival DLC. She/He let an entire system of Batarians die because they deemed it the lesser evil rather then let the Reapers arrive early to an unprepared galaxy. If Solas is convinced there are only two options. He will pick the lesser of two evils. The lesser evil in his mind at least. The problem with Solas is that he's convinced only he can do something (his name does mean Pride after all) about it. No one knows more about the Veil than he does. The better option would have been to have been open about why he thinks this is the only option. Since this is a video game, there will probably be a third option (or at least a way to avert the worst) that our protagonists will discover during the course of the game. Good people or (misguided people) can do evil things if they believe it's for the greater good. Just like someone who's evil can do something good without intending to. -snip- Yes, this is precisely what many of us were trying to get at. Some people are rabid convinced that Solas is just an evil mass murderer. Others, like myself, who may or may not ultimately like him, still understand him to have been a good companion who cared for others and has an authentic desire to stop pain, death, and suffering. He is not an evil mass murderer. We don't have the full picture that Solas does about the Veil and by stopping his ritual we may actually be endangering more lives in the future- we just don't know. All we know is that innocents are dying, and the moral compass of the Inquisitor, or Rook, demands he must be stopped. I will still kill Solas, but that's what makes it so tragic- he was a good egg with good intentions. Anyone who commits mass murder, regardless of reason or intentions, is evil.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 12, 2024 18:10:55 GMT
One thing that I've always predicted and that I still think I might be right is: the fate of Solas won't actually be in Rook's hands. Like, sure, we'll likely destroy his plans, make his life difficult (and the life of the other two baddies that showed up) maybe we'll scuffle a bit, have a bossfight of sorts (would it even work with an elven "god"? maybe the lyrium dagger is the only thing that can harm him\depower him?) but we won't be the ones to actually do him in. Possibly, but I wonder how they would do that in a way that for new players it doesn’t feel like they’re getting sidelined.
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Post by dadithinkimgay on Jun 12, 2024 18:11:24 GMT
Regarding whether there were any restrictions on joining Factions.Mad madzilla84they were answering a few Qs on discord yesterday and said there were no restrictions (except that you can’t be a dwarven mage) Amazing news! I have my character now 😊
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