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Post by jrpN7 on Jun 12, 2024 18:25:14 GMT
Yes, this is precisely what many of us were trying to get at. Some people are rabid convinced that Solas is just an evil mass murderer. Others, like myself, who may or may not ultimately like him, still understand him to have been a good companion who cared for others and has an authentic desire to stop pain, death, and suffering. He is not an evil mass murderer. We don't have the full picture that Solas does about the Veil and by stopping his ritual we may actually be endangering more lives in the future- we just don't know. All we know is that innocents are dying, and the moral compass of the Inquisitor, or Rook, demands he must be stopped. I will still kill Solas, but that's what makes it so tragic- he was a good egg with good intentions. Anyone who commits mass murder, regardless of reason or intentions, is evil. A person who has authentic desire and motivation to save people but is put in an impossible situation that leads to the death of 1,000 people in order to save 100,000, is hardly evil. I'd go as far to say they're a hero. If they did nothing because 1,000 would die, and then all 101,000 died- that's a disaster. Your stance is cute, but isn't exactly morally sound since it is not grounded in realism. You can't just call people good or bad as if it's so black and white.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 12, 2024 18:28:25 GMT
Anyone who commits mass murder, regardless of reason or intentions, is evil. A person who has authentic desire and motivation to save people but is put in an impossible situation that leads to the death of 1,000 people in order to save 100,000, is hardly evil. I'd go as far to say they're a hero. If they did nothing because 1,000 would die, and then all 101,000 died- that's a disaster. Your stance is cute, but isn't exactly morally sound since it is not grounded in realism. You can't just call people good or bad as if it's so black and white. No, if they murder 1000 innocent civilians they are evil. I dare you to go the people related to the victims and tell them what you said. You think they’ll agree with you? And that’s not even why Solas is doing this. If it is, he needs to say that. But we know from his words in Trespasser, Tevinter Nights, and now Veilforce he does not care.
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Post by LukeBarrett on Jun 12, 2024 18:30:17 GMT
I desperately wish. I'm hoping to delve into some deep maths once the game actually launches and they loosen the chains on what we can talk about. It's always lovely to see you around! I am glad that someone still pays attention to this particular little corner of BioWare fandom .
I know you can't say anything specific, but having digested the preview, I have two big combat questions left:
1) I'm delighted that weapon switching during combat is back, and also curious about what this means for archers. Rook only has eight shots available, when the series has always had bottomless quivers in the past. Is there a reload? Do shots recharge as you gain momentum? I like the idea of classes having both ranged and melee options available to them, but I still want the option of playing Rogues that are focussed on archery, especially since it was incredibly fun in DAI. (Warriors apparently still pick between two-handed and sword-and-board so I assume this will work somehow, I just want to know more about those arrow mechanics.)
2) Now that we've only got three people in the active party, I'm curious about what your aim for class balance within the party is, both in and out of combat. The previous games all encourage you to take a Rogue with you at all times by making them the only ones who can unlock things, and then in DAI Warriors and Mages were given their own exploration abilities. With three slots, though, having to bring the whole trio of classes at all times starts to feel restrictive. Interested to see if there's some mechanic (via specialisations, maybe?) that lets a party with two of the same class still feel balanced and effective.
I'm not really at liberty to discuss anything specific. I can say that more details will keep coming about the game so you may just have to wait, unfortunately. I believe there is a Dev Q&A on Friday where you could try asking.
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Post by RelevantRevenant on Jun 12, 2024 18:35:34 GMT
I wonder if we Revenants will be represented in Veilguard?
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Post by Reznore on Jun 12, 2024 18:43:15 GMT
A person who has authentic desire and motivation to save people but is put in an impossible situation that leads to the death of 1,000 people in order to save 100,000, is hardly evil. I'd go as far to say they're a hero. If they did nothing because 1,000 would die, and then all 101,000 died- that's a disaster. Your stance is cute, but isn't exactly morally sound since it is not grounded in realism. You can't just call people good or bad as if it's so black and white. From what Solas is willing to say he's only doing this to bring ye old world back and get some form of spirit/ancient elven life going again. There's no killing X person to save X person, like it's a triage situation. Even if, for example, in 100 hundred the world with the veil will collapse because it's not ment to be. And Solas would be somewhat justified in his action. The fact he's unwilling to share his "burden" with others, means he only get to decide what should happen, and isn't looking for other ways. He's simply unwilling to give people a chance to save themselves. The tragedy of Solas is he turned into an Evanuris, only he decided what's what and if people die, well that's how it goes.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 12, 2024 19:00:53 GMT
The fact he's unwilling to share his "burden" with others, means he only get to decide what should happen, and isn't looking for other ways. He's simply unwilling to give people a chance to save themselves. This was my problem with him, plus he keeps changing his story and his justification both for his actions in the past and the present. I've always maintained that if the world is doomed anyway, because of red lyrium and the Blight, but flooding it with magic might just cleanse it, then at least there is some basis for cutting him some slack. However, he needed to tell the Inquisitor that and then give us a chance to come up with an alternative solution. Apparently, we've just spent the time since Trespasser running around in ever decreasing circles trying to locate him with the vague intention of stopping him and the best we could come up with when we finally caught up with him was Varric trying to talk him down. This is the only part of the trailer that made zero sense to me. I think the date is meant to be 9:52. If so we've had eight years to work on a plan for dealing with Solas but that was it! For this reason, I think I am better off assuming that Rook isn't aware of this and thus I shall ignore it as well. Disrupting his ritual with the statue may not have been the best solution in the world but since no one else was offering a better option that is the one I am happy to go with.
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Post by Little Bengel on Jun 12, 2024 19:08:31 GMT
Dunno if this has been posted here already, so I'm gonna go ahead.
Something that I've been suspecting regarding Veilguard's gameplay may be true.
I've been suspecting that a potential reason for the 3 or 4-skill layout in this game would be due to taking what were once regular active skills and folding it into the regular action combat, and it does seem like that's the case, as this Reddit thread shows.
More specifically, while the Veilguard gameplay shows Static Blades as the only apparent ability Rook can use, the actual combat shows examples of DA:I abilities directly folded into the basic combat system (Shadow Step, Twin Fangs, Spinning Blades, and Parry).
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Post by jrpN7 on Jun 12, 2024 19:11:19 GMT
A person who has authentic desire and motivation to save people but is put in an impossible situation that leads to the death of 1,000 people in order to save 100,000, is hardly evil. I'd go as far to say they're a hero. If they did nothing because 1,000 would die, and then all 101,000 died- that's a disaster. Your stance is cute, but isn't exactly morally sound since it is not grounded in realism. You can't just call people good or bad as if it's so black and white. No, if they murder 1000 innocent civilians they are evil. I dare you to go the people related to the victims and tell them what you said. You think they’ll agree with you? And that’s not even why Solas is doing this. If it is, he needs to say that. But we know from his words in Trespasser, Tevinter Nights, and now Veilforce he does not care. Possibly. Yes, it sucks and I'm pretty sure those relatives would be upset and hurt, of course- they'd have every right to hate me. But I'm sure they'd also understand that it's a good and positive thing that 100,000 more people survived, and frankly all the relatives to those people would be very grateful. I'd feel sad about the 1,000 always. But very very glad about the 100,000. I don't really know what more to say to you at this point. A person who has authentic desire and motivation to save people but is put in an impossible situation that leads to the death of 1,000 people in order to save 100,000, is hardly evil. I'd go as far to say they're a hero. If they did nothing because 1,000 would die, and then all 101,000 died- that's a disaster. Your stance is cute, but isn't exactly morally sound since it is not grounded in realism. You can't just call people good or bad as if it's so black and white. From what Solas is willing to say he's only doing this to bring ye old world back and get some form of spirit/ancient elven life going again. There's no killing X person to save X person, like it's a triage situation. Even if, for example, in 100 hundred the world with the veil will collapse because it's not ment to be. And Solas would be somewhat justified in his action. The fact he's unwilling to share his "burden" with others, means he only get to decide what should happen, and isn't looking for other ways. He's simply unwilling to give people a chance to save themselves. The tragedy of Solas is he turned into an Evanuris, only he decided what's what and if people die, well that's how it goes. Again, we don't actually know the full picture of what Solas does when it comes to the Veil. We do know, however, that he was a good companion motivated to do good for the people he came across before he felt he had to save the world (a very corrupt world with slavery, greed and murder) by bringing down the Veil, possibly to save hundreds of thousands more. If a meteor was spiraling towards Earth and was to hit London and kill 7 million people, and expert physicists could alter its course to land in the Atlantic by firing a rocket at it but then risk a tidal wave hitting the coastlines to kill 100,000... you really think those expert physicists are going to stop and share that burden with those people to save themselves? Best that could be done is use sirens and and send out text alerts and hope they all evacuate in time. Would those physicists be evil? No. I agree Solas must be killed in the end, because the Inquisitor and Rook have a duty to save the people in the present. But Solas' motivations and character- whether he's evil or not, is what is in question, and I think he had good intentions and isn't evil- he is a misguided friend. That is the tragedy. That is the story that is so heart-wrenching and why I loved Inquisition and Trespass DLC.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 12, 2024 19:16:36 GMT
No, if they murder 1000 innocent civilians they are evil. I dare you to go the people related to the victims and tell them what you said. You think they’ll agree with you? And that’s not even why Solas is doing this. If it is, he needs to say that. But we know from his words in Trespasser, Tevinter Nights, and now Veilforce he does not care. Possibly. Yes, it sucks and I'm pretty sure those relatives would be upset and hurt, of course- they'd have every right to hate me. But I'm sure they'd also understand that it's a good and positive thing that 100,000 more people survived, and frankly all the relatives to those people would be very grateful. I'd feel sad about the 1,000 always. But very very glad about the 100,000. I don't really know what more to say to you at this point. From what Solas is willing to say he's only doing this to bring ye old world back and get some form of spirit/ancient elven life going again. There's no killing X person to save X person, like it's a triage situation. Even if, for example, in 100 hundred the world with the veil will collapse because it's not ment to be. And Solas would be somewhat justified in his action. The fact he's unwilling to share his "burden" with others, means he only get to decide what should happen, and isn't looking for other ways. He's simply unwilling to give people a chance to save themselves. The tragedy of Solas is he turned into an Evanuris, only he decided what's what and if people die, well that's how it goes. Again, we don't actually know the full picture of what Solas does when it comes to the Veil. We do know, however, that he was a good companion motivated to do good for the people he came across before he felt he had to save the world (a very corrupt world with slavery, greed and murder) by bringing down the Veil, possibly to save hundreds of thousands more. If a meteor was spiraling towards Earth and was to hit London and kill 7 million people, and expert physicists could alter its course to land in the Atlantic by firing a rocket at it but then risk a tidal wave hitting the coastlines to kill 100,000... you really think those expert physicists are going to stop and share that burden with those people to save themselves? Best that could be done is use sirens and and send out text alerts and hope they all evacuate in time. Would those physicists be evil? No. I agree Solas must be killed in the end, because the Inquisitor and Rook have a duty to save the people in the present. But Solas' motivations and character- whether he's evil or not, is what is in question, and I think he had good intentions and isn't evil- he is a misguided friend. That is the tragedy. That is the story that is so heart-wrenching and why I loved Inquisition and Trespass DLC. History disagrees with you. As for your asteroid analogy, see if Solas actually warned people to get ready and get to safety, that’d be a lot different than him just doing it in some random day with none of them knowing like he did.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 12, 2024 19:24:06 GMT
I can appreciate that Solas is a matter of heated discussion. I would also appreciate civility. Please criticise the points made not the other poster. Minor redactions made. Thank you.
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Post by Reznore on Jun 12, 2024 19:29:29 GMT
Apparently, we've just spent the time since Trespasser running around in ever decreasing circles trying to locate him with the vague intention of stopping him and the best we could come up with when we finally caught up with him was Varric trying to talk him down. This is the only part of the trailer that made zero sense to me. I think the date is meant to be 9:52. If so we've had eight years to work on a plan for dealing with Solas but that was it! Gervaise, we're doomed. Totally unprepared to deal with Solas beyond "pretty please, don't do it" and now we got 2 unleashed eldrich horror as powerful as Solas but 100% more unhinged. After I hope being able to watch in delight Solas get the beating of the century, I'll have to rescue him so he can help with his scary peers. I hate Solas. If I hear "The Evanuris are your fault, Inq...er Rook" I'm gonna blow a blood vessel.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 12, 2024 19:30:33 GMT
Oh, that discussion is still going? Okay! A person who has authentic desire and motivation to save people but is put in an impossible situation that leads to the death of 1,000 people in order to save 100,000, is hardly evil. I'd go as far to say they're a hero. If they did nothing because 1,000 would die, and then all 101,000 died- that's a disaster. Your stance is cute, but isn't exactly morally sound since it is not grounded in realism. You can't just call people good or bad as if it's so black and white. From what Solas is willing to say he's only doing this to bring ye old world back and get some form of spirit/ancient elven life going again. There's no killing X person to save X person, like it's a triage situation. Even if, for example, in 100 hundred the world with the veil will collapse because it's not ment to be. And Solas would be somewhat justified in his action. The fact he's unwilling to share his "burden" with others, means he only get to decide what should happen, and isn't looking for other ways. He's simply unwilling to give people a chance to save themselves. The tragedy of Solas is he turned into an Evanuris, only he decided what's what and if people die, well that's how it goes. That's the thing - he's not "simply" unwilling: we have enough information from Inquisition and Trespasser to conclude that the guy has severe trust issues. This isn't just ego issues, but very likely Solas actually trusting someone in the past and being let down as a result - and the clues left in the past game suggest that it may be Evanuris themselves. So, aside from us not really knowing what he knows*, it's not just ego that drives him, but some sort of massive betrayal of his trust that's left him damaged in that area. *I don't think it's Veil collapsing, I think something related to the Blight - or the upcoming foreshadowed sinister eclipse (likely both). I think something really bad is/was meant to happen to Thedas - and soon. Solas even said in Trespasser that he awoke "still weakened" from his long Uthenera, which is why he couldn't re-open the orb in his weakened state - which is how we got Corypheus. Question is - why is he in such a hurry? He slept for thousands of years, so why not a thousand more? And in other areas he appears to be a patient, meticulous planner; yet - like that plan with Cory opening the orb - he seems to be acting like time is running short. He even says it at times - that the world doesn't have much time. What does he know that we don't? Ungh, I'm so curious !!!
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jun 12, 2024 19:31:08 GMT
That's all very bait and switch suddenly. We have no reason to assume Solas is facing a trolley problem. That never came up before. So basing the entire argument around Solas on a scenario that so far is fictional I find a bit disingenuous.
If this is the twist the game ends up going for to absolve him I'll be very disappointed. Because that means Solas is a complete moron who could have averted the manhunt on him by just explaining the situation. And any reasonable person would have understood why he thought it necessary to do what he tried to do. Trying to save the many is not evil in my book if there really are no other options available but that's not what Solas seemed to be about before. So I'm basing my judgement of him on his previous statements and behavior which was extremely dismissive of the people in modern Thedas. It was all elven glory, my people are better than yours so fuck you.
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Post by twalicious on Jun 12, 2024 19:32:03 GMT
Possibly. Yes, it sucks and I'm pretty sure those relatives would be upset and hurt, of course- they'd have every right to hate me. But I'm sure they'd also understand that it's a good and positive thing that 100,000 more people survived, and frankly all the relatives to those people would be very grateful. I'd feel sad about the 1,000 always. But very very glad about the 100,000. I don't really know what more to say to you at this point. Again, we don't actually know the full picture of what Solas does when it comes to the Veil. We do know, however, that he was a good companion motivated to do good for the people he came across before he felt he had to save the world (a very corrupt world with slavery, greed and murder) by bringing down the Veil, possibly to save hundreds of thousands more. If a meteor was spiraling towards Earth and was to hit London and kill 7 million people, and expert physicists could alter its course to land in the Atlantic by firing a rocket at it but then risk a tidal wave hitting the coastlines to kill 100,000... you really think those expert physicists are going to stop and share that burden with those people to save themselves? Best that could be done is use sirens and and send out text alerts and hope they all evacuate in time. Would those physicists be evil? No. I agree Solas must be killed in the end, because the Inquisitor and Rook have a duty to save the people in the present. But Solas' motivations and character- whether he's evil or not, is what is in question, and I think he had good intentions and isn't evil- he is a misguided friend. That is the tragedy. That is the story that is so heart-wrenching and why I loved Inquisition and Trespass DLC. History disagrees with you. As for your asteroid analogy, see if Solas actually warned people to get ready and get to safety, that’d be a lot different than him just doing it in some random day with none of them knowing like he did. I mean to be fair you were the one to call all people who understood the cold calculus of war to be evil. Is that not as insulting? Lol
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 12, 2024 19:36:27 GMT
That's all very bait and switch suddenly. We have no reason to assume Solas is facing a trolley problem. That never came up before. So basing the entire argument around Solas on a scenario that so far is fictional I find a bit disingenuous. If this is the twist the game ends up going for to absolve him I'll be very disappointed. Because that means Solas is a complete moron who could have averted the manhunt on him by just explaining the situation. And any reasonable person would have understood why he thought it necessary to do what he tried to do. Trying to save the many is not evil in my book if there really are no other options available but that's not what Solas seemed to be about before. So I'm basing my judgement of him on his previous statements and behavior which was extremely dismissive of the people in modern Thedas. It was all elven glory, my people are better than yours so fuck you. The funny thing is that we don't really know what he means when he says "his people" And I'm not saying this to be obtuse or facetious. He has dialogues in the game suggesting that when he says "his people", it isn't an answer as simple as "a bunch of ancient elves".
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Post by colfoley on Jun 12, 2024 19:36:35 GMT
That's all very bait and switch suddenly. We have no reason to assume Solas is facing a trolley problem. That never came up before. So basing the entire argument around Solas on a scenario that so far is fictional I find a bit disingenuous. If this is the twist the game ends up going for to absolve him I'll be very disappointed. Because that means Solas is a complete moron who could have averted the manhunt on him by just explaining the situation. And any reasonable person would have understood why he thought it necessary to do what he tried to do. Trying to save the many is not evil in my book if there really are no other options available but that's not what Solas seemed to be about before. So I'm basing my judgement of him on his previous statements and behavior which was extremely dismissive of the people in modern Thedas. It was all elven glory, my people are better than yours so fuck you. two problems: It was a trolly problem from the beginning. He did explain the situation.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 12, 2024 19:39:03 GMT
That's all very bait and switch suddenly. We have no reason to assume Solas is facing a trolley problem. That never came up before. So basing the entire argument around Solas on a scenario that so far is fictional I find a bit disingenuous. If this is the twist the game ends up going for to absolve him I'll be very disappointed. Because that means Solas is a complete moron who could have averted the manhunt on him by just explaining the situation. And any reasonable person would have understood why he thought it necessary to do what he tried to do. Trying to save the many is not evil in my book if there really are no other options available but that's not what Solas seemed to be about before. So I'm basing my judgement of him on his previous statements and behavior which was extremely dismissive of the people in modern Thedas. It was all elven glory, my people are better than yours so fuck you. two problems: It was a trolly problem from the beginning. He did explain the situation. Where? I recall him specifically not going into details because the Inquisitor is too clever.
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Post by The Elder King on Jun 12, 2024 19:40:07 GMT
That's all very bait and switch suddenly. We have no reason to assume Solas is facing a trolley problem. That never came up before. So basing the entire argument around Solas on a scenario that so far is fictional I find a bit disingenuous. If this is the twist the game ends up going for to absolve him I'll be very disappointed. Because that means Solas is a complete moron who could have averted the manhunt on him by just explaining the situation. And any reasonable person would have understood why he thought it necessary to do what he tried to do. Trying to save the many is not evil in my book if there really are no other options available but that's not what Solas seemed to be about before. So I'm basing my judgement of him on his previous statements and behavior which was extremely dismissive of the people in modern Thedas. It was all elven glory, my people are better than yours so fuck you. While I'm not exactly a big fan of Solas' plan, his reasoning wasn't exactly about elven glory, as he clearly loathed the tenets of the society and its rulers, except Mythal, which is way he started his rebellion. I don't know if they'll use the escape of the two Evanuris to justify an alliance with him, but it was a point of discussion in regards of his plan that he'd free up a number of godlike creature that weren't know, for what we got to know through the game first and in Tevinter Nights later, for being kind individuals. And those godlike beings would likely target him for revenge, re-establishing the tyrannical and slavery-based society they once ruled. I didn't expect that, even in the case of an early release of some of them, we'd go into an alliance with him right away, but the dagger he had that Rook also has in the dragon-character ensemble shot brings the question on *how* we'd get into possession. Also, doesn't it seem that we're going to travel across the regions with the use of the eluvians? I might've read that part about the Lighthouse and the travel system wrong, though.
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Post by sageoflife on Jun 12, 2024 19:42:26 GMT
I think the male Evanuris we saw is June. I don't think it's Falon'Din or Dirthamen because I would expect those two to be fought together, and Elgar'nan is supposed to be their leader and the most powerful aside from Mythal, so narrative convention states that he'll be the last to be fought (and at this point I think he has the strongest claim to the Big Bad of the entire franchise). By process of elimination that leaves June. Does that mean the female Evanuris is Sylaise, since some myths paint them as husband and wife? Maybe. The myths vary on their exact relationship, so any of the female Evanuris remain a possibility.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 12, 2024 19:43:47 GMT
I feel this whole line of thinking of allying with Solas is misplaced. They have to have the plot fit all choices, and even for players who want to redeem him, we ruined his plans so he won’t want to work with us. And I don’t think BioWare would force players who want to stop him to help him. So that choice when it comes to a meaningful conclusion will most likely be at the finale, like after the Evanuris are dealt with and he’s all that remains.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 12, 2024 19:46:29 GMT
but the dagger he had that Rook also has in the dragon-character ensemble shot brings the question on *how* we'd get into possession. Since fighting three gods at once is definitely outside our skill level, I think we steal the blade and run off while Solas is distracted. As long as we have that blade, he can’t do his ritual after all.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 12, 2024 19:47:03 GMT
I think the male Evanuris we saw is June. I don't think it's Falon'Din or Dirthamen because I would expect those two to be fought together, and Elgar'nan is supposed to be their leader and the most powerful aside from Mythal, so narrative convention states that he'll be the last to be fought (and at this point I think he has the strongest claim to the Big Bad of the entire franchise). By process of elimination that leaves June. Does that mean the female Evanuris is Sylaise, since some myths paint them as husband and wife? Maybe. The myths vary on their exact relationship, so any of the female Evanuris remain a possibility. I'd argue that it's Falon'Din even if only because Falon'Din has been heavily foreshadowed in Inquisition in Trespasser, together with Ghilan'nain.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 12, 2024 19:49:31 GMT
I hope we do get to see all the Evanuris and not just those two. Also hope not all of them are the cartoon villains Solas painted them as.
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Post by The Elder King on Jun 12, 2024 19:50:28 GMT
but the dagger he had that Rook also has in the dragon-character ensemble shot brings the question on *how* we'd get into possession. Since fighting three gods at once is definitely outside our skill level, I think we steal the blade and run off while Solas is distracted. As long as we have that blade, he can’t do his ritual after all. That's a reasonable explanation. It's the part about the eluvians being used to travel that made me think otherwise, but again, I could've read that wrong.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 12, 2024 19:52:21 GMT
Since fighting three gods at once is definitely outside our skill level, I think we steal the blade and run off while Solas is distracted. As long as we have that blade, he can’t do his ritual after all. That's a reasonable explanation. It's the part about the eluvians being used to travel that made me think otherwise, but again, I could've read that wrong. Well, maybe us having that dagger allows us to be able to use the Eluvians. Or Solas is understandably distracted (he left the Minrathous one open after all) so doesn’t have the monopoly on them he used to.
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