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Post by midnight tea on Jun 12, 2024 19:53:31 GMT
I feel this whole line of thinking of allying with Solas is misplaced. They have to have the plot fit all choices, and even for players who want to redeem him, we ruined his plans so he won’t want to work with us. And I don’t think BioWare would force players who want to stop him to help him. So that choice when it comes to a meaningful conclusion will most likely be at the finale, like after the Evanuris are dealt with and he’s all that remains. Solas has never been established as vengeful - but he has been established as very pragmatic. So no, I don't think Inquisition/Veilguard "ruining his plan" would be a reason for him to not work with us*... especially that we don't know if (similar to Inquisitor) disrupting the ritual doesn't give Rook some sort of special power, making them the only person capable of doing something. *He specifically let Inquisitor chase after him, thus letting them interfere with his plans
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Post by The Elder King on Jun 12, 2024 19:54:33 GMT
That's a reasonable explanation. It's the part about the eluvians being used to travel that made me think otherwise, but again, I could've read that wrong. Well, maybe us having that dagger allows us to be able to use the Eluvians. Or Solas is understandably distracted (he left the Minrathous one open after all) so doesn’t have the monopoly on them he used to. I think that's possible
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Post by biggydx on Jun 12, 2024 19:54:35 GMT
It's always lovely to see you around! I am glad that someone still pays attention to this particular little corner of BioWare fandom .
I know you can't say anything specific, but having digested the preview, I have two big combat questions left:
1) I'm delighted that weapon switching during combat is back, and also curious about what this means for archers. Rook only has eight shots available, when the series has always had bottomless quivers in the past. Is there a reload? Do shots recharge as you gain momentum? I like the idea of classes having both ranged and melee options available to them, but I still want the option of playing Rogues that are focussed on archery, especially since it was incredibly fun in DAI. (Warriors apparently still pick between two-handed and sword-and-board so I assume this will work somehow, I just want to know more about those arrow mechanics.)
2) Now that we've only got three people in the active party, I'm curious about what your aim for class balance within the party is, both in and out of combat. The previous games all encourage you to take a Rogue with you at all times by making them the only ones who can unlock things, and then in DAI Warriors and Mages were given their own exploration abilities. With three slots, though, having to bring the whole trio of classes at all times starts to feel restrictive. Interested to see if there's some mechanic (via specialisations, maybe?) that lets a party with two of the same class still feel balanced and effective.
I'm not really at liberty to discuss anything specific. I can say that more details will keep coming about the game so you may just have to wait, unfortunately. I believe there is a Dev Q&A on Friday where you could try asking. Maybe I can ask a question more in the vein of Inquisition. What did you find to be the biggest pain points for that game (based on player sentiments)? I know that you've spoken to the issue with sustain with passive bonuses like Guard and Barrier. Of course, there was also your never-ending frustration with Arcane Warrior lol
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Post by colfoley on Jun 12, 2024 19:56:47 GMT
two problems: It was a trolly problem from the beginning. He did explain the situation. Where? I recall him specifically not going into details because the Inquisitor is too clever. he didn't explain his plans but he explained the history with the Evanuris and why he felt he had to do the things he was doing in the present
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Post by luketrevelyan on Jun 12, 2024 19:57:34 GMT
but the dagger he had that Rook also has in the dragon-character ensemble shot brings the question on *how* we'd get into possession. Since fighting three gods at once is definitely outside our skill level, I think we steal the blade and run off while Solas is distracted. As long as we have that blade, he can’t do his ritual after all. I did notice he isn't carrying the blade anymore at the end of the gameplay but I didn't catch what happened to it.
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Post by The Elder King on Jun 12, 2024 19:58:27 GMT
I feel this whole line of thinking of allying with Solas is misplaced. They have to have the plot fit all choices, and even for players who want to redeem him, we ruined his plans so he won’t want to work with us. And I don’t think BioWare would force players who want to stop him to help him. So that choice when it comes to a meaningful conclusion will most likely be at the finale, like after the Evanuris are dealt with and he’s all that remains. Solas has never been established as vengeful - but he has been established as very pragmatic. So no, I don't think Inquisition/Veilguard "ruining his plan" would be a reason for him to not work with us*... especially that we don't know if (similar to Inquisitor) disrupting the ritual doesn't give Rook some sort of special power, making them the only person capable of doing something. *He specifically let Inquisitor chase after him, thus letting them interfere with his plans Bioware kind of teased repeatedly with the imagery of Solas and the monstrous wolf about the two sides about him, though. I can see him not minding forming an alliance if Rook happens to gain a special power, but I can also see him being enraged and vengeful for foiling his plans. It depends a lot of the concept about the Dread Wolf alongside him normal self is just a cool artwork, or if it hint at a darker side of him. We'll see.
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Post by jrpN7 on Jun 12, 2024 19:59:18 GMT
I feel this whole line of thinking of allying with Solas is misplaced. They have to have the plot fit all choices, and even for players who want to redeem him, we ruined his plans so he won’t want to work with us. And I don’t think BioWare would force players who want to stop him to help him. So that choice when it comes to a meaningful conclusion will most likely be at the finale, like after the Evanuris are dealt with and he’s all that remains. It's not that people want to ally with him- it's just that we don't think he's evil. It's true some will want to ally with Solas, but probably only after he's convinced he messed up, and redeems himself. I think Solas has good intentions and is not evil, but I doubt I will be allying with him as I ultimately think he is misguided. The duty my Inquisitor and Rook have is to the people currently living and I must save them from my friend.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jun 12, 2024 20:02:47 GMT
While I'm not exactly a big fan of Solas' plan, his reasoning wasn't exactly about elven glory, as he clearly loathed the tenets of the society and its rulers, except Mythal, which is way he started his rebellion. I don't know if they'll use the escape of the two Evanuris to justify an alliance with him, but it was a point of discussion in regards of his plan that he'd free up a number of godlike creature that weren't know, for what we got to know through the game first and in Tevinter Nights later, for being kind individuals. And those godlike beings would likely target him for revenge, re-establishing the tyrannical and slavery-based society they once ruled. I didn't expect that, even in the case of an early release of some of them, we'd go into an alliance with him right away, but the dagger he had that Rook also has in the dragon-character ensemble shot brings the question on *how* we'd get into possession. Also, doesn't it seem that we're going to travel across the regions with the use of the eluvians? I might've read that part about the Lighthouse and the travel system wrong, though. I haven't played the game in 10 years and some of the details are fuzzy. So sorry if I got it completely wrong. I do remember that his rebellion was out of good intentions but that was all in the interest of his people, wasn't it? Then he woke up to find a different world he didn't like that was in the way. And while he did soften up and even help people, conceding that current Thread wasn't all bad, ultimately he snapped back into "gotta do this, sorry" mode. So I did feel sorry for him for a while, misunderstood and all. But going back to genocidal plan kinda killed my sympathy again. He remained an incredibly arrogant prick who was fine with a lot of collateral damage. So at the end of the game my inky wanted him dead, ex lover be damned. He was a very will written complex antagonist, the best one BioWare ever wrote perhaps. So I hope this continues and he doesn't end up becoming an idiot. Or the secret hero once again with the secret trolley problem he never shared. How his ritual was interrupted was already questionable writing to me but maybe it was cut in a bad way for the demo. How DAV handles Solas is going to be key.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 12, 2024 20:03:30 GMT
I feel this whole line of thinking of allying with Solas is misplaced. They have to have the plot fit all choices, and even for players who want to redeem him, we ruined his plans so he won’t want to work with us. And I don’t think BioWare would force players who want to stop him to help him. So that choice when it comes to a meaningful conclusion will most likely be at the finale, like after the Evanuris are dealt with and he’s all that remains. It's not that people want to ally with him- it's just that we don't think he's evil. It's true some will want to ally with Solas, but probably only after he's convinced he messed up, and redeems himself. I think Solas has good intentions and is not evil, but I doubt I will be allying with him as I ultimately think he is misguided. The duty my Inquisitor and Rook have is to the people currently living and I must save them from my friend. That's not what I mean. I’m referring just to the discussion that some think we'll be allying with Solas to defeat the other Evanuris.
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Jun 12, 2024 20:03:35 GMT
Since fighting three gods at once is definitely outside our skill level, I think we steal the blade and run off while Solas is distracted. As long as we have that blade, he can’t do his ritual after all. I did notice he isn't carrying the blade anymore at the end of the gameplay but I didn't catch what happened to it. Interesting...I didn't notice that. He has it clutched in his hand when he throws the statue off of himself, but it's suddenly gone a second later as he turned to face the Evanuris. Hmm.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 12, 2024 20:04:03 GMT
Solas has never been established as vengeful - but he has been established as very pragmatic. So no, I don't think Inquisition/Veilguard "ruining his plan" would be a reason for him to not work with us*... especially that we don't know if (similar to Inquisitor) disrupting the ritual doesn't give Rook some sort of special power, making them the only person capable of doing something. *He specifically let Inquisitor chase after him, thus letting them interfere with his plans Bioware kind of teased repeatedly with the imagery of Solas and the monstrous wolf about the two sides about him, though. I can see him not minding forming an alliance if Rook happens to gain a special power, but I can also see him being enraged and vengeful for foiling his plans. It depends a lot of the concept about the Dread Wolf alongside him normal self is just a cool artwork, or if it hint at a darker side of him. We'll see.T But the darker side of him isn't established as vengeful either - if anything, I protest the idea that if someone has a narrative struggle between dark and light side, the dark side has to be angry and vengeful. That's not how it always is - and the dark side of Solas so far appears to be one that is actually largely detached from his feelings and caring about others; one where he dedicates himself fully to his mission, regardless of its cost.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 12, 2024 20:10:41 GMT
I did notice he isn't carrying the blade anymore at the end of the gameplay but I didn't catch what happened to it. Interesting...I didn't notice that. He has it clutched in his hand when he throws the statue off of himself, but it's suddenly gone a second later as he turned to face the Evanuris. Hmm. Probably got knocked out of his hand in the blast that happens as he stops the statue.
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Post by The Elder King on Jun 12, 2024 20:12:19 GMT
While I'm not exactly a big fan of Solas' plan, his reasoning wasn't exactly about elven glory, as he clearly loathed the tenets of the society and its rulers, except Mythal, which is way he started his rebellion. I don't know if they'll use the escape of the two Evanuris to justify an alliance with him, but it was a point of discussion in regards of his plan that he'd free up a number of godlike creature that weren't know, for what we got to know through the game first and in Tevinter Nights later, for being kind individuals. And those godlike beings would likely target him for revenge, re-establishing the tyrannical and slavery-based society they once ruled. I didn't expect that, even in the case of an early release of some of them, we'd go into an alliance with him right away, but the dagger he had that Rook also has in the dragon-character ensemble shot brings the question on *how* we'd get into possession. Also, doesn't it seem that we're going to travel across the regions with the use of the eluvians? I might've read that part about the Lighthouse and the travel system wrong, though. I haven't played the game in 10 years and some of the details are fuzzy. So sorry if I got it completely wrong. I do remember that his rebellion was out of good intentions but that was all in the interest of his people, wasn't it? Then he woke up to find a different world he didn't like that was in the way. And while he did soften up and even help people, conceding that current Thread wasn't all bad, ultimately he snapped back into "gotta do this, sorry" mode. So I did feel sorry for him for a while, misunderstood and all. But going back to genocidal plan kinda killed my sympathy again. He remained an incredibly arrogant prick who was fine with a lot of collateral damage. So at the end of the game my inky wanted him dead, ex lover be damned. He was a very will written complex antagonist, the best one BioWare ever wrote perhaps. So I hope this continues and he doesn't end up becoming an idiot. Or the secret hero once again with the secret trolley problem he never shared. How his ritual was interrupted was already questionable writing to me but maybe it was cut in a bad way for the demo. How DAV handles Solas is going to be key. I do hope they handled well his portrayal in the game, regardless of the path they decided to go for him, as well as giving us different options for the PC in regards of him and his plotine. I do think however the 'trolley' problem is something that many thought would have exploded regardless. There was zero chances that Bioware wouldn't eventually bring the Evanuris, or some of them, into the fold. I am curious if they'll explain what his plan was to prevent them to escape/harm people. Bioware kind of teased repeatedly with the imagery of Solas and the monstrous wolf about the two sides about him, though. I can see him not minding forming an alliance if Rook happens to gain a special power, but I can also see him being enraged and vengeful for foiling his plans. It depends a lot of the concept about the Dread Wolf alongside him normal self is just a cool artwork, or if it hint at a darker side of him. We'll see.T But the darker side of him isn't established as vengeful either - if anything, I protest the idea that if someone has a narrative struggle with dark and light side, the dark side has to be angry and vengeful. That's not how it always is - and the dark side of Solas so far appears to be one that is actually largely detached from his feelings and caring about others; one where he dedicates himself fully to his mission, regardless of its cost. I do agree with your point, and I do think that from what we saw of him directly, his dark side his cold and detached. It doesn't mean there couldn't be more, but it indeed speculation at this point, and not based on how he actually acted from what we saw directly. Although, but I could be remembering this part wrong, but isn't he the one that killed Felassan?
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Post by Reznore on Jun 12, 2024 20:12:52 GMT
Interesting...I didn't notice that. He has it clutched in his hand when he throws the statue off of himself, but it's suddenly gone a second later as he turned to face the Evanuris. Hmm. Probably got knocked out of his hand in the blast that happens as he stops the statue. No sign of Varric either btw.
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Jun 12, 2024 20:13:17 GMT
It's not that people want to ally with him- it's just that we don't think he's evil. It's true some will want to ally with Solas, but probably only after he's convinced he messed up, and redeems himself. I think Solas has good intentions and is not evil, but I doubt I will be allying with him as I ultimately think he is misguided. The duty my Inquisitor and Rook have is to the people currently living and I must save them from my friend. That's not what I mean. I’m referring just to the discussion that some think we'll be allying with Solas to defeat the other Evanuris. I mean, if we have any brains at all, we'll ask for his help, or accept it should he be around to offer it. His knowledge of the Evanuris would be invaluable.
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Post by themikefest on Jun 12, 2024 20:13:44 GMT
History disagrees with you. As for your asteroid analogy, see if Solas actually warned people to get ready and get to safety, that’d be a lot different than him just doing it in some random day with none of them knowing like he did. I mean to be fair you were the one to call all people who understood the cold calculus of war to be evil. Is that not as insulting? Lol Ha. It's a discussion that has been ongoing, and will continue up until and after the next ME game is released.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 12, 2024 20:19:53 GMT
That's not what I mean. I’m referring just to the discussion that some think we'll be allying with Solas to defeat the other Evanuris. I mean, if we have any brains at all, we'll ask for his help, or accept it should he be around to offer it. His knowledge of the Evanuris would be invaluable. On the other hand, if it wasn’t for him trying to take down the Veil they wouldn’t even be a problem in the first place. Ask him his knowledge, sure. Ask him for help and a plan, nah let’s try somebody who hasn’t had all their plans just make things worse.
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Post by azarhal on Jun 12, 2024 20:21:33 GMT
I hope we do get to see all the Evanuris and not just those two. Also hope not all of them are the cartoon villains Solas painted them as. I suspect the "cartoon villain" version are the blighted version and Solas might have only know that version.
This fit with Morrigan saying Flemeth might have something to do with the Blight in DAO, the stuff discovered in Trespasser and their god complex (like Corypheus ended up having).
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 12, 2024 20:23:07 GMT
But the darker side of him isn't established as vengeful either - if anything, I protest the idea that if someone has a narrative struggle with dark and light side, the dark side has to be angry and vengeful. That's not how it always is - and the dark side of Solas so far appears to be one that is actually largely detached from his feelings and caring about others; one where he dedicates himself fully to his mission, regardless of its cost. I do agree with your point, and I do think that from what we saw of him directly, his dark side his cold and detached. It doesn't mean there couldn't be more, but it indeed speculation at this point, and not based on how he actually acted from what we saw directly. Although, but I could be remembering this part wrong, but isn't he the one that killed Felassan? Yes, but he didn't kill Felassan out of anger, but specifically because of that cold detachment. Felassan strayed away from the plan and became a liability.
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Post by themikefest on Jun 12, 2024 20:29:40 GMT
I feel this whole line of thinking of allying with Solas is misplaced. They have to have the plot fit all choices, and even for players who want to redeem him, we ruined his plans so he won’t want to work with us. And I don’t think BioWare would force players who want to stop him to help him. So that choice when it comes to a meaningful conclusion will most likely be at the finale, like after the Evanuris are dealt with and he’s all that remains. It's not that people want to ally with him- it's just that we don't think he's evil. It's true some will want to ally with Solas, but probably only after he's convinced he messed up, and redeems himself. I think Solas has good intentions and is not evil, but I doubt I will be allying with him as I ultimately think he is misguided. The duty my Inquisitor and Rook have is to the people currently living and I must save them from my friend. Chuckles the clown wants to destroy the world. Being evil or whatever has nothing to do with that. He's a nutcase that need's to be put down. If for some reason he survives the game, and isn't apprehended, what's to stop him from trying again at a later date?
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 12, 2024 20:32:32 GMT
I hope we do get to see all the Evanuris and not just those two. Also hope not all of them are the cartoon villains Solas painted them as. I admit that this statement is kinda funny, considering all the things you've said about Solas Evanuris (we already have enough information - separate from Solas - to establish they were very likely corrupted, awful rulers who enslaved and killed countless people) <- I so hope they aren't cartoon villains! Solas (we already have enough information to establish that motivations behind his actions are complex and related to him trying to stop a terrible threat to the world) <- what a cartoon villain!
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Post by colfoley on Jun 12, 2024 20:32:38 GMT
It's not that people want to ally with him- it's just that we don't think he's evil. It's true some will want to ally with Solas, but probably only after he's convinced he messed up, and redeems himself. I think Solas has good intentions and is not evil, but I doubt I will be allying with him as I ultimately think he is misguided. The duty my Inquisitor and Rook have is to the people currently living and I must save them from my friend. Chuckles the clown wants to destroy the world. Being evil or whatever has nothing to do with that. He's a nutcase that need's to be put down. If for some reason he survives the game, and isn't apprehended, what's to stop him from trying again at a later date? if we convince him the futility of Said plans...
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 12, 2024 20:33:46 GMT
It's not that people want to ally with him- it's just that we don't think he's evil. It's true some will want to ally with Solas, but probably only after he's convinced he messed up, and redeems himself. I think Solas has good intentions and is not evil, but I doubt I will be allying with him as I ultimately think he is misguided. The duty my Inquisitor and Rook have is to the people currently living and I must save them from my friend. Chuckles the clown wants to destroy the world. Being evil or whatever has nothing to do with that. He's a nutcase that need's to be put down. If for some reason he survives the game, and isn't apprehended, what's to stop him from trying again at a later date? The answer is simple - he isn't a nutcase and is capable of change.
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Post by themikefest on Jun 12, 2024 20:36:41 GMT
Chuckles the clown wants to destroy the world. Being evil or whatever has nothing to do with that. He's a nutcase that need's to be put down. If for some reason he survives the game, and isn't apprehended, what's to stop him from trying again at a later date? if we convince him the futility of Said plans... Really? Is the main character going to inherit the power of the voice talent Shepard used in ME to convince the elf to stand down? I doubt it. What would you say that would convince him his plan is crap?
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Post by themikefest on Jun 12, 2024 20:38:41 GMT
Chuckles the clown wants to destroy the world. Being evil or whatever has nothing to do with that. He's a nutcase that need's to be put down. If for some reason he survives the game, and isn't apprehended, what's to stop him from trying again at a later date? The answer is simple - he isn't a nutcase and is capable of change. So if it wasn't Solas, but another character, one you may not like, would you say the same? Would you still be supportive of that individual?
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