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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 31, 2024 8:10:03 GMT
This means nothing to me since I haven't read any of the books. If I play the game learning a character is this, that, and the other thing, then read the book saying something different from what is in the game, I would be curious why, then ask myself why I wasted my time reading the book as well as wasting my money to purchase the book. Welcome to my world. Played all the games and associated DLC prior to DAI. Also bought World of Thedas. Thought I knew the lore, particularly concerning the Dalish. Then non Dalish like Vivienne and Iron Bull start telling my Lavellan how the Dalish do things and Solas tells me any differences are down to the clans "growing apart" down the years, thus negating the whole point of the Dalish. Also, any contradictions in historical lore are explained away by the unreliable narrator excuse. World of Thedas 2 even worse as they had different versions of a character history in the same book and contradicted my Dalish Warden's family history. Sulked, complained but subsequently accepted defeat. No point in having the lore books or reading any associated media except out of curiosity. If it doesn't fit the narrative they wish to tell, they will change it and you just have to suck it up. Well, at least it is their world so they can do what they like with it. Keep reminding myself that it has been 10 years since the last game, so ignore everything that has gone before and start afresh. Luckily the memory isn't what it used to be due to the aging process. Perhaps that was their plan all along.
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Post by mattjamho on Jul 31, 2024 8:13:52 GMT
It has been great to see the dev’s enthusiasm about the characters. I’m ready for more ‘show’ and less ‘tell’ now, in regards to other aspects of the game.
I’d love to see a mid game side mission, showcasing more of the world and levelled up combat. Character creation would be next on the list. And of course, a release date.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 31, 2024 8:26:09 GMT
If i understand him right. They write what they want, it only have to fit with one of the many world states. That would make it a canon world state. The reason they said they wouldn't be bringing back quantum characters in the future like they did in Awakening with Oghran and DA2/DAI with Leliana is down to the anger this caused with fans who had played the game and had world states where they didn't survive. They came up with a reason for Leliana's survival in the epilogue to Trespasser, if she wasn't Divine, but they realised what a can of worms bringing back a character as a part of the main narrative can be and seemed to be promising to avoid this in the future. Letting people use Fenris in a comic series or another dead character in the Netflix series, was considered okay because these weren't going to directly feed into the game. The only comic series specifically tied to DAV was the Missing, so they were careful to avoid characters from previous games in that other than Charter, Harding and Varric, who all survived DAI/Trespasser. The only way they are likely to bring back characters that died in previous world states is if they do like they did with Nathaniel in DA2 and have an alternative plot line where he is dead to the one where he is alive. This is possible with side-quests but not the main narrative, unless it is only for a very short section of it. There are apparently going to be instances of temporary companions joining our party for specific quests, so it may be they would have the familiar person be that companion if they are alive but a substitute if they are dead (like they did with the Virmire Survivor and Wrex in ME2 and Legion in ME3). However, that would require input to the CC history as they are no longer using the Keep. Of course, that could be why they are keeping it under wraps because the choices revealed in there are likely to alert us to people we may see in game, particularly if they relate to an earlier game than Inquisition.
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Post by fairdragon on Jul 31, 2024 8:35:02 GMT
That would make it a canon world state. Then we would have many canon world state. If comic A have one world state and comic b another one. At least that is what i understand.
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Post by themikefest on Jul 31, 2024 10:56:13 GMT
Any situation ever? Does that really matter? I act different at home, or at work. Its not an uncommon concept. If it doesn't matter, why bring it up? So with the me saying the Lucanis character is great and all that, then seeing posts from others saying something different because of an event he was involved with in one of the books, which version is correct? I'll give you an example. In ME2, if the player chooses to go to Illium to see t'soni, she will mention she gave your body, Shepard's body, to Cerberus. If a player completes a ME3 default playthrough, the player will learn, when on Cronos, Cerberus are the one's who recovered Shepard's body. Which version is correct? I know this isn't a book to game thing, but the point stands. In my view, I believe Bioware is having characters from books be in this game to promote their books/comics/whatever for people to know more, if they choose. Would I do the same? Don't know. I would look at the number of books/comics/whatever purchased over time vs the number of people who played the game to see if it's worth it.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jul 31, 2024 11:08:29 GMT
The may want to work around November this time as it'll be a busy month with both AC Shadows & Avowed. I disagree Veilguard doesn´t need to fear AC or eve-n Call of Duty. Why? DAI did just more than fine in November 2014. Yeah Unity was a very buggy game but before its release it was was way more hyped than Shadows now. And Avowed? Its the other way around it should fear Veilguard and to be honest i doubt that Avowed will get a release date this year. I thin kit does todays Bioware is very differen tfrom the Bioware that released Inquisition back then the ycould tak ethei rchances a the ywere riding high from the successes of the ME trilog yand hte previous DA games. Todays Bioware needs a pick me up it's coming of fthe bac ko f2 somewha tfailed projects in Andromeda an dAnthem so I can understand if they choos to play it safe. If they were comin goff the bac off success like wha tI mentioned now then yeah they could probably releas eVeilguard whenever the ywanted with minimal consequences. But for me if I was Bioware I'd avoid November like the plague.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 31, 2024 11:15:08 GMT
Then we would have many canon world state. If comic A have one world state and comic b another one. They aren't two different canon world states but variants, like fan fiction. Whilst occasionally they may have cross over characters from the comics appear in game, like Maevaris in the War Table, that comic series was not canon (as in the definitive world state) because in it Alistair survived as King of Ferelden, when he could still be a Warden, dead or a drunken wreck in other world states. In DA2 he can appear as King of Ferelden, a Warden or a drunk. In DAI he can appear as King of Ferelden or a Warden. So the writers respected the different world states and made allowance for it even though the Lead Writer David Gaider's preferred world state was the one in the comic. Even his draconic bloodline wasn't actually set in stone because even in the comic Varric consoled Alistair with the suggestion that the Qunari got it wrong about his ancestor. It was just a good story at the time. This is why I say I can ignore the comic series Blue Wraith when it comes to the attitude of Fenris because that is just the writers' idea of how his story developed. The comic series is not canon, nor should it be if they are going to respect our previous choices, even if they don't subsequently transfer them over to DAV. This is also why I think they are better off not using previous characters for cameos unless they do have a consistent outcome in game, like Dorian. Whilst you may not have got on well with him and reconciled him with his father, nevertheless his father didn't disinherit him, he became a Magister on his father's death and he is always Tevinter's ambassador to the Exalted Council. What varies is whether or not he gave the communication crystal to the Inquisitor, which I believe he only does if your were friends or lovers in DAI but I suppose it could be argued that he stretched a point with a hostile Inquisitor in view of wanting to be kept up to date about developments with Solas. Therefore, there seems a good chance we will see him in game provided they didn't have any problem getting his VA to reprise the role and since he isn't a main character I imagine they would have been able to get him back at some point as he was really proud of his work on Dragon Age with Dorian.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jul 31, 2024 11:16:11 GMT
No spoilers other than the region. That would hardly be a spoiler at this point. We've had plenty of concept art, screen shots and the 2023 trailer to confirm where we are going in the game. As you say, just have a sequence against some generic evils and it shouldn't reveal too much. I was surprised they revealed as much as they did in the game play reveal and then the Game Informer article. I think it would have packed more of a punch had they saved that for the game but it wasn't the first time they have done this. I've pointed out previously how showing a scene from the finale of DAI in a pre-launch trailer was a spoiler for me. Still, apparently the 20 minutes was an edited version from what would normally be the first hour of game play, so there is a lot more to that for us to experience. I know I am starting to sound like a broken record but can they please release details of the PC spec you will need to play it. Surely they know that by now? It makes me worried that the delay in announcing the release is because of problems with the PC version and they may end up just releasing on console in Q3. Yeah jus tsome gamepla y from on eo r2 of th esidequests with a mage or warrior may b enough given you ca npic kan dchoose wha tto do there with minimal consequences. Presonally I'd lov et osee some female mage gameplay for example before the game comes out
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Post by colfoley on Jul 31, 2024 11:18:36 GMT
Any situation ever? Does that really matter? I act different at home, or at work. Its not an uncommon concept. If it doesn't matter, why bring it up? So with the me saying the Lucanis character is great and all that, then seeing posts from others saying something different because of an event he was involved with in one of the books, which version is correct? I'll give you an example. In ME2, if the player chooses to go to Illium to see t'soni, she will mention she gave your body, Shepard's body, to Cerberus. If a player completes a ME3 default playthrough, the player will learn, when on Cronos, Cerberus are the one's who recovered Shepard's body. Which version is correct? I know this isn't a book to game thing, but the point stands. In my view, I believe Bioware is having characters from books be in this game to promote their books/comics/whatever for people to know more, if they choose. Would I do the same? Don't know. I would look at the number of books/comics/whatever purchased over time vs the number of people who played the game to see if it's worth it. Both versions are correct. Neither version is. It all depends on individual opinion of the character involved and how much the individual thinks that character has, or has not, changed. And given the timelines involves, like we don't know exactly when the Wigmaker Job/ the Wake take place but its likely been a fair few years before the beginning of Veilguard. Regardless of the time though people change, we tend not to be the same people moment to moment, day to day, stretching out into the years. SOme times we just have bad days, sometimes we have revelations which change our personality for a time, and sometimes we even revert. Take Anders as a rather on the nose example of both points. Many people believe Anders character in DA 2 is a completly different character from his character in Awakening. I disagree, quite strongly. I feel that Anders character is a natural and logical outgrowth to who he was and any possible changes could easily be explained by him merging with Justice. WHich of us is right? I don't know but both sides are entitled to their opinion and its a fun conversation to have. And the ME 2 example is another good example of this. Both versions are correct. I don't think they are that contradictory Liara gave the body to Cerberus so Cerberus recovered it. If there really is an inconsistency, and I don't think there is much of one, then we know that Cerberus is dirty rotten liars. Explanation solved. And ultimatley Liara still explained all we needed to of the events of the comics in the game for us to fill it in. If we read the comics we would've experienced that journey and experienced the full context but it does not matter. Nor does it matter to Tevinter Nights and Veilguard. Or even Inquisition and Veilguard. I recommend playing the games to experience that context but uiltimatley I do expect that Veilguard will fill us in with what we need to know to understand the events of Veilguard. And at the end of the day I don't think reading expanded apocrypha is worthless just because these characters might be slightly different people. Edit: Oh how I do hate how my brain works to but it is also likely that Lucanis will go through some sort of character arc through the games which will expand on his character from Wigmaker Job. Like I view his character as kind of sympathetic and the potential for him to grow is certainly there but he is also a very loose canon. Will these be issues in Veilguard? Maybe the writers have a different interpretation then I do. And is reading the Wigmaker Job vital to understanding this arc? Unlikely but it might help add context.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 31, 2024 11:27:08 GMT
So with the me saying the Lucanis character is great and all that, then seeing posts from others saying something different because of an event he was involved with in one of the books, which version is correct? In that case it is subjective because opinions differ among those who did read the story involving him. If you think Lucanis sounds great from what they have told you thus far in the marketing for the game, I would go with that because that is likely to be how you will find him in game. They could have backtracked from the TN story and even from the short story they issued for DA Day, whilst time wise I believe several years have passed from either of those to the year in which the game is set. Another example of possible contradictions appearing in the narrative are connected with the Veil Jumpers, who didn't even exist in Tevinter Nights or in the DA Day short story under that name, although members of their faction did. Weird magic was happening in the DA Day story but they seemed to stop it, then even more weird magic was happening in the comic series the Missing, in which the Veil Jumpers as a faction were introduced, yet in the game play trailer it was just normal weirdness associated with demons crossing the Veil. So, best approach the game with an open mind.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 31, 2024 11:35:07 GMT
And is reading the Wigmaker Job vital to understanding this arc? Unlikely but it might help add context. More to the point, whilst I as a player know this so if Lucanis is rather hard work I might stick at it because of my prior knowledge from TN, my character is unaware of this information unless Lucanis or someone else chooses to tell them. Thus, if I wish to role play my character correctly, I need to just base my reactions on what happens in game, nor something about which they could not possibly know. I can cheat a bit on this because I intend playing as a Shadow Dragon first run and it is possible they may have heard a rumour about Lucanis' exploits in Vyrantium but I'll withhold judgement on this until the game as it is possible they may give me or Neve dialogue options that reflect this.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 31, 2024 11:39:14 GMT
And is reading the Wigmaker Job vital to understanding this arc? Unlikely but it might help add context. More to the point, whilst I as a player know this so if Lucanis is rather hard work I might stick at it because of my prior knowledge from TN, my character is unaware of this information unless Lucanis or someone else chooses to tell them. Thus, if I wish to role play my character correctly, I need to just base my reactions on what happens in game, nor something about which they could not possibly know. I can cheat a bit on this because I intend playing as a Shadow Dragon first run and it is possible they may have heard a rumour about Lucanis' exploits in Vyrantium but I'll withhold judgement on this until the game as it is possible they may give me or Neve dialogue options that reflect this. Kind of funny how much this goes with my own personal head cannon that I am developping. Given Oliver's backstory that I am at least planning in my head until BioWare chooses to and given his relationship to the Shadow Dragons I don't think that Oliver would have heard rumors but he is likely very well aware of Lucanis is since I am headcanoning that he had family at the Wigmaker's little party. Thus he is very well aware of Lucanis and his actions at the Wigmaker Job, has similar reasons to me not to like him, and further expands on the Venatori connections within his family that I was going to give him anyways. Which will of course be ruined when BioWare mandates that Shadow Dragon Rook not have anything to do with Tevinter Nobility.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jul 31, 2024 11:43:16 GMT
And is reading the Wigmaker Job vital to understanding this arc? Unlikely but it might help add context. More to the point, whilst I as a player know this so if Lucanis is rather hard work I might stick at it because of my prior knowledge from TN, my character is unaware of this information unless Lucanis or someone else chooses to tell them. Thus, if I wish to role play my character correctly, I need to just base my reactions on what happens in game, nor something about which they could not possibly know. I can cheat a bit on this because I intend playing as a Shadow Dragon first run and it is possible they may have heard a rumour about Lucanis' exploits in Vyrantium but I'll withhold judgement on this until the game as it is possible they may give me or Neve dialogue options that reflect this. Yeah whilst Iwas planning on playin ga gre ywarden I was thinking of having he rkno wwha thappened in DAI when th eGreywarden's ewre mind controlled throuh the calling so willknow who the Venatori are and be wary o fthem through that.
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Post by fairdragon on Jul 31, 2024 12:30:39 GMT
JokeDealer Anyway, to continue here, I also looked at Steam Wishlist, DA is 95th most wishlisted, KCD2 is 44th. I think it's just been too long, literally a decade, and with Andromeda's reception, and how people seem to overall feel about BW... I don't know if there's many outside of this forum who are genuinely hardcore fans. in 11 weeks it goes from 95th to 52th. It work it's way up.
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Post by KingDarious BBB on Jul 31, 2024 16:04:14 GMT
The may want to work around November this time as it'll be a busy month with both AC Shadows & Avowed. I disagree Veilguard doesn´t need to fear AC or eve-n Call of Duty. Why? DAI did just more than fine in November 2014. Yeah Unity was a very buggy game but before its release it was was way more hyped than Shadows now. And Avowed? Its the other way around it should fear Veilguard and to be honest i doubt that Avowed will get a release date this year. Dragon Inquisition is the most successful BioWare game with 6 million copies sold. The last three RPG games of Assassin’s Creed which is Orgins to Valhalla have all sold more ten million copies. I think it’s BioWare that should be one’s to try avoid direct competition. From a business point of view I think it’s best for DATV to release in October.
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Post by The Pluto Lounge on Jul 31, 2024 16:40:35 GMT
I disagree Veilguard doesn´t need to fear AC or eve-n Call of Duty. Why? DAI did just more than fine in November 2014. Yeah Unity was a very buggy game but before its release it was was way more hyped than Shadows now. And Avowed? Its the other way around it should fear Veilguard and to be honest i doubt that Avowed will get a release date this year. Dragon Inquisition is the most successful BioWare game with 6 million copies sold. The last three RPG games of Assassin’s Creed which is Orgins to Valhalla have all sold more ten million copies. I think it’s BioWare that should be one’s to try avoid direct competition. From a business point of view I think it’s best for DATV to release in October. It also hard to type this without sounding like an a**... Inquisition also came out in a very weak AAA gaming year and that plays a part.
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Post by Felya87 on Jul 31, 2024 17:11:50 GMT
I had to do a search on google because I didn't even know what Avoved was. Never heard of it, and I follow quite a bit of gaming news. I'm not impressed by what I found. The game is first person (and is already a malus) and of the rest, nothing have sparked any interest in me. It feel like a smaller Elder Scroll game with little bite.
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Post by luketrevelyan on Jul 31, 2024 17:20:10 GMT
I had to do a search on google because I didn't even know what Avoved was. Never heard of it, and I follow quite a bit of gaming news. I'm not impressed by what I found. The game is first person (and is already a malus) and of the rest, nothing have sparked any interest in me. It feel like a smaller Elder Scroll game with little bite. They added third person mode as well. It is definitely a smaller budget game, probably more like AA. When the game was first announced in 2020 there was quite a bit of buzz around it but I don't see a ton of hype these days. I wouldn't say it is huge competition with Veilguard personally.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 31, 2024 17:34:38 GMT
Thus he is very well aware of Lucanis and his actions at the Wigmaker Job, has similar reasons to me not to like him, and further expands on the Venatori connections within his family that I was going to give him anyways. Which will of course be ruined when BioWare mandates that Shadow Dragon Rook not have anything to do with Tevinter Nobility. Sorry, but I've got to ask. Why are you making your Rook have Venatori connections? I know Francesca in the comic series was from a Venatori family but turned her back on the organisation, so has he done something similar? You see, I'm a bit confused why he is part of the Shadow Dragons, unless he has infiltrated them in order to undermine them. If not and he supports the aims of the Shadow Dragons why would he hate Lucanis for what he did? Like I say, I imagine the Shadow Dragons would be in favour of his action and it seems possible they were even aiding him. However, I suppose he might object to an outsider interfering in Tevinter affairs. I suppose the really interesting part is going to be discovering who was his mysterious client with the deep pockets as I strongly suspect Lucanis did know their identity and just evaded telling Illario. Incidentally, I don't see any reason a Rook Shadow Dragon couldn't be from Tevinter nobility, even an Altus family. In Neve's story it would seem that several former Venatori members sought to redeem themselves by joining the anti-slavery movement, because they erroneously thought the Venatori were going to free the slaves (they must have been from Calpernia's group within the faction), which I assume is connected in some way with the Shadow Dragons. Was that the case with Oliver?
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Post by Serza on Jul 31, 2024 17:52:55 GMT
JokeDealer Anyway, to continue here, I also looked at Steam Wishlist, DA is 95th most wishlisted, KCD2 is 44th. I think it's just been too long, literally a decade, and with Andromeda's reception, and how people seem to overall feel about BW... I don't know if there's many outside of this forum who are genuinely hardcore fans. in 11 weeks it goes from 95th to 52th. It work it's way up.
I feel that to be fair with the comparison (if we're keeping it up) we must also note that KCD2 rose to 24th.
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I had to do a search on google because I didn't even know what Avoved was. Never heard of it, and I follow quite a bit of gaming news. I'm not impressed by what I found. The game is first person (and is already a malus) and of the rest, nothing have sparked any interest in me. It feel like a smaller Elder Scroll game with little bite. Yeah Avowed isn't a game I' minterested in and for me Veilguard easily wins but e can' tden ythat what wih ti tbeing an RPG it is a potentia lbanana skin. I onl yrall know about it s I keep tabs on wha tXbox ae rdoing given Xbox and PC sha rethei rgames these days s oan ygames comin gXbox' sway are also coming PC's way too.
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Post by Hrungr on Jul 31, 2024 19:31:43 GMT
Trick Weekes (Bluesky): Have confirmed it's okay to name names and can say that longtime Dragon Age veteran Sheryl Chee was the writer for Scout Lace Harding, one of the most cheerful and optimistic characters ever to be introduced by sniping three people in rapid succession.
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Post by luketrevelyan on Jul 31, 2024 19:40:16 GMT
Ooh... "We’ll have more to share next month – including a new roadmap, more looks at the game, and our official release date (!)"
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Post by azarhal on Jul 31, 2024 19:47:15 GMT
Ooh... "We’ll have more to share next month – including a new roadmap, more looks at the game, and our official release date (!)" August release date announcement means October release.
Also, since they aren't going at Gamescom, I take it to mean these (roadmap/release date) will be revealed before August 21st too.
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