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Post by colfoley on Aug 4, 2024 11:05:21 GMT
Something I don't get about Davrin, the whole "monster" hunter, even in the Wardens blurb you can read "they fight the blight and hunt monsters". Since when??? They hunt darkspawn. That's the only type of monsters they are after. Something I don't get about Davrin, the whole "monster" hunter, even in the Wardens blurb you can read "they fight the blight and hunt monsters". Since when??? They hunt darkspawn. That's the only type of monsters they are after. I suspect the answer is in Tevinter Nights, specifically The Horrors of Hormak. After that story the Wardens have a very good incentive to hunt another kind of monster.
If nothing else, they're going to want to stop the Darkspawn stop walking into pools of Ghilan'nain's grey goo and turning into even worse thing. I suspect Davrin has been involved with their efforts in finding the other eleven undergrounds laboratories. Or maybe he was a monster hunter before he was recruited and that's how he got the job. Or both! There always has been this tension since Awakening about the Wardens doing 'more' then just hunting down Darkspawn and the idea of...are Wardens useful if there is not a Blight to fight? Awakening had them start to go and have them get political and what not. Inquisition had Blackwall off doing recruiting, fine not a real Warden but the point stands. Then we have Tevinter Nights and Hunger also had the Wardens running around hunting down a Werewolf problem. And this even makes a certain degree of sense, well aside from the politics and what not, but the Wardens and their 'gifts' do give them a lot of advantages and abilities which would be very beneficial to fighting monsters and what not. If they don't find things to do between Blights then they are going to fade intot he back ground which is what tends to happen to them.
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Something I don't get about Davrin, the whole "monster" hunter, even in the Wardens blurb you can read "they fight the blight and hunt monsters". Since when??? They hunt darkspawn. That's the only type of monsters they are after. What kind of other monsters are there outside of Darkspawns anyway? Well minus the mad scientist Evanuris creations...
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Post by colfoley on Aug 4, 2024 11:10:14 GMT
Something I don't get about Davrin, the whole "monster" hunter, even in the Wardens blurb you can read "they fight the blight and hunt monsters". Since when??? They hunt darkspawn. That's the only type of monsters they are after. What kind of other monsters are there outside of Darkspawns anyway? Well minus the mad scientist Evanuris creations... Demons and thier associated issues... Which I just realized virtually covers all the monsters in Thedas. Well mot of them. Werewolves. Vampires. Arcane Horrors. ALl Demons. Guess you can throw Giants and Dragons in there as well which is certainly true though Dragons seem to be more of a Neverran/ LoF thing.
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Post by Gileadan on Aug 4, 2024 11:20:13 GMT
Something I don't get about Davrin, the whole "monster" hunter, even in the Wardens blurb you can read "they fight the blight and hunt monsters". Since when??? They hunt darkspawn. That's the only type of monsters they are after. What kind of other monsters are there outside of Darkspawns anyway? Well minus the mad scientist Evanuris creations... BEARS
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Post by SilentK on Aug 4, 2024 11:30:58 GMT
I know Veilguard isn't historical so it won't quite be one to one but I really want a tour mode like they did for the last few AC games and just...well have us go around all the maps without any pressure or drama and just have us look at behind the scenes stuff and artwork and the like. The AC Discovery Tours were great, and they clearly put in a ton effort producing them. If BW could put a DA spin on the idea - fantastic (though labour-intensive). I once floated the idea of having places in the world where you could camp and then dream in the Fade. There you'd find a spirt guide who would give you the lore of that location or region. It would be "safe" to explore there, like the Discovery Tours. Yes please!! I would love to experience something like that. A way to experience the old places of Thedas.
Ha ha, I remember a quote from Solas that the fade reflects us. If you want to experience interesting things you have to be interesting. If one only see dull and boring places, is that a verdict on oneself.
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Post by RelevantRevenant on Aug 4, 2024 11:33:12 GMT
What kind of other monsters are there outside of Darkspawns anyway? Well minus the mad scientist Evanuris creations... BEARS And sadly not of the BG3 kind...
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Aug 4, 2024 11:40:53 GMT
Something I don't get about Davrin, the whole "monster" hunter, even in the Wardens blurb you can read "they fight the blight and hunt monsters". Since when??? They hunt darkspawn. That's the only type of monsters they are after. I suspect the answer is in Tevinter Nights, specifically The Horrors of Hormak. After that story the Wardens have a very good incentive to hunt another kind of monster.
If nothing else, they're going to want to stop the Darkspawn stop walking into pools of Ghilan'nain's grey goo and turning into even worse thing. I suspect Davrin has been involved with their efforts in finding the other eleven undergrounds laboratories. Or maybe he was a monster hunter before he was recruited and that's how he got the job. Or both! There always has been this tension since Awakening about the Wardens doing 'more' then just hunting down Darkspawn and the idea of...are Wardens useful if there is not a Blight to fight? Awakening had them start to go and have them get political and what not. Inquisition had Blackwall off doing recruiting, fine not a real Warden but the point stands. Then we have Tevinter Nights and Hunger also had the Wardens running around hunting down a Werewolf problem. And this even makes a certain degree of sense, well aside from the politics and what not, but the Wardens and their 'gifts' do give them a lot of advantages and abilities which would be very beneficial to fighting monsters and what not. If they don't find things to do between Blights then they are going to fade intot he back ground which is what tends to happen to them. Yeah it's as Blackwall says just because thre isn' ta Blight gong on doesn't mea nther aren't an yDarkspawn. S omhe has got that part right. The darkspawn will always need to be kept in check and in between Blight's that's likely what Warden' sgenerally do. Bu ttha tdoesn't mean they can'tgo freelanc eand undertak eother missions in between dealin with the darkspawn as long as the yremember their duty t othe wardens.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Aug 4, 2024 11:45:43 GMT
Something I don't get about Davrin, the whole "monster" hunter, even in the Wardens blurb you can read "they fight the blight and hunt monsters". Since when??? They hunt darkspawn. That's the only type of monsters they are after. What kind of other monsters are there outside of Darkspawns anyway? Well minus the mad scientist Evanuris creations... Ther's always the potential for demons in areas where the veil is thin andwhile the yma ynot technicall ybe monstres there's always bandits and other people wh ojus twantt ostir up trouble. we ran int othings like this ourselves when fightin the Blight in Origins.
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Post by ClarkKent on Aug 4, 2024 11:56:18 GMT
This is is terrible for any hopes for significant news for Mass Effect by next N7 Day. DAV will be released by that time. So no reason not to give some news. They won't be big anyway, the game is in pre-production stages last I checked. And even if they started some production, it would be waaaaaaay too early for anything of substance. We are talking about a title that would release no earlier than 2028. 2028 may be overly skeptical. The Mass Effectication of DA combat does mean they wouldn't have to build from the ground-up in the same way. Likewise, we have heard that the next ME may be more linear and smaller scale. What am I saying - it will release in 2032, and be about some parallel universe nonsense.
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Post by illuminated11 on Aug 4, 2024 11:58:37 GMT
Bereskarn and blight wolves probably count as monsters as well, albeit seen most often during a Blight. But any time they’re tainted or near a tainted area would count. And who could forget the giant spiders.
A lot of wardens likely also have a death wish and are thrill seekers given their short lifespans. Both qualities common to monster hunters, I imagine.
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Post by illuminated11 on Aug 4, 2024 12:01:49 GMT
DAV will be released by that time. So no reason not to give some news. They won't be big anyway, the game is in pre-production stages last I checked. And even if they started some production, it would be waaaaaaay too early for anything of substance. We are talking about a title that would release no earlier than 2028. 2028 may be overly skeptical. The Mass Effectication of DA combat does mean they wouldn't have to build from the ground-up in the same way. New Mass Effect is using a different engine, Unreal 5 (?), so not sure how much that will matter. But yeah I mean… who knows lol…
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Post by azarhal on Aug 4, 2024 12:16:52 GMT
What kind of other monsters are there outside of Darkspawns anyway? Well minus the mad scientist Evanuris creations... Demons and thier associated issues... Which I just realized virtually covers all the monsters in Thedas. Well mot of them. Werewolves. Vampires. Arcane Horrors. ALl Demons. Guess you can throw Giants and Dragons in there as well which is certainly true though Dragons seem to be more of a Neverran/ LoF thing. I guess I forgot the possessed category.
I consider dragons, giants, bears, etc to be animals thought. Can still be hunted, but not quite the same thing as the actual unnatural monsters spawned by the blight/taint and demon possession.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 4, 2024 12:49:52 GMT
I suspect the answer is in Tevinter Nights, specifically The Horrors of Hormak. After that story the Wardens have a very good incentive to hunt another kind of monster. Or maybe he was a monster hunter before he was recruited and that's how he got the job. Or both! I wonder if there could have been some sort of history like that of Evka, so a Grey Warden saved his life and he joined up in gratitude. May be the thing the Warden saved him from was one of the monsters of the pools and that is why he is now focused on hunting hybrid darkspawn as opposed to just regular ones. Mind you I still like the idea that he was brought in specifically to care for the griffons or simply Assan because he had prior experience with critters. May be he helped care for the halla in his clan. May be a monster killed the halla and that is why he joined up.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 4, 2024 12:55:43 GMT
I wonder what they meant about this with regard to Davrin? -Davrin might surprise people with how forward he is. Do they mean romantically or just offering his services? I suspect the former. Now I know I've said how I'd prefer it if the companions took the initiative some of the time but I hope he doesn't hit on me too soon after he joins the team. Otherwise, fluffy griffon or not, he can take a hike.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 4, 2024 13:05:37 GMT
I could see wardens in the Anderfels fighting other monsters in their spare time, as well. Our hof could potentially kill three different high dragons by the end of Origins, so they have the skill set for it. Also Antoine and Evka stopped off to help out a village with a hunger demon in the story of the same name. They stopped for the night after killing darkspawn when on their way back to Weisshaupt after being recalled by the First Warden. Initially they thought the thing attacking them might be a darkspawn, then they realised it wasn't but they still delayed their journey in order to help the villagers. That's the thing really, particularly up in the area of the Anderfels, the Wardens are the principle force in that country, rather like the Crows in Antiva, so there is no one else to help against monsters and until they look into any attack, they should assume it is likely darkspawn given their prevalence up there (I do wonder why that is and whether it is actually the presence of the Wardens or the Arch-demon relics that acts as a magnet to the darkspawn). Also, if the First Warden is angling to take control of the country, he might consider it politically expedient to widen their remit to gain the support of the general populace.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 4, 2024 13:17:51 GMT
What kind of other monsters are there outside of Darkspawns anyway? Well minus the mad scientist Evanuris creations... Demons and thier associated issues... Which I just realized virtually covers all the monsters in Thedas. Well mot of them. Werewolves. Vampires. Arcane Horrors. ALl Demons. Guess you can throw Giants and Dragons in there as well which is certainly true though Dragons seem to be more of a Neverran/ LoF thing. Also not demon related: Wyverns, phoenix, lurkers, draconlisks, varghest, quillbacks, gurguts, giant spiders, deepstalkers and ghasts. Whilst most of these tend to occur in more remote places, I imagine some may trouble settlements, particularly in the Anderfels because there isn't much else up there for these creatures to eat. The Wardens need to finance their operation somehow so doing a bit of monster hunting probably keeps the money flowing whether they charge for their services or just receive donations from grateful citizens.
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Post by our_lady_of_darkness on Aug 4, 2024 13:24:16 GMT
What kind of other monsters are there outside of Darkspawns anyway? Well minus the mad scientist Evanuris creations... Demons and thier associated issues... Which I just realized virtually covers all the monsters in Thedas. Well mot of them. Werewolves. Vampires. Arcane Horrors. ALl Demons. Guess you can throw Giants and Dragons in there as well which is certainly true though Dragons seem to be more of a Neverran/ LoF thing. Also not demon related: Wyverns, phoenix, lurkers, draconlisks, varghest, quillbacks, gurguts, giant spiders, deepstalkers and ghasts. Whilst most of these tend to occur in more remote places, I imagine some may trouble settlements, particularly in the Anderfels because there isn't much else up there for these creatures to eat. The Wardens need to finance their operation somehow so doing a bit of monster hunting probably keeps the money flowing whether they charge for their services or just receive donations from grateful citizens. Do Wardens actually get paid for hunting monsters, like witchers?
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Aug 4, 2024 13:37:04 GMT
Also not demon related: Wyverns, phoenix, lurkers, draconlisks, varghest, quillbacks, gurguts, giant spiders, deepstalkers and ghasts. Whilst most of these tend to occur in more remote places, I imagine some may trouble settlements, particularly in the Anderfels because there isn't much else up there for these creatures to eat. The Wardens need to finance their operation somehow so doing a bit of monster hunting probably keeps the money flowing whether they charge for their services or just receive donations from grateful citizens. Do Wardens actually get paid for hunting monsters, like witchers? It's possible hte ymigh td oo rdo som equests lik ew edid via th echanters board in DAO
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Post by smilesja on Aug 4, 2024 14:40:28 GMT
Also not demon related: Wyverns, phoenix, lurkers, draconlisks, varghest, quillbacks, gurguts, giant spiders, deepstalkers and ghasts. Whilst most of these tend to occur in more remote places, I imagine some may trouble settlements, particularly in the Anderfels because there isn't much else up there for these creatures to eat. The Wardens need to finance their operation somehow so doing a bit of monster hunting probably keeps the money flowing whether they charge for their services or just receive donations from grateful citizens. Do Wardens actually get paid for hunting monsters, like witchers? I'd say the bigger question, is do the Wardens get paid at all? I mean if I'm risking my life killing a bunch of Darkspawn, I would like to have financial compensation please.
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Post by our_lady_of_darkness on Aug 4, 2024 15:06:47 GMT
Do Wardens actually get paid for hunting monsters, like witchers? I'd say the bigger question, is do the Wardens get paid at all? I mean if I'm risking my life killing a bunch of Darkspawn, I would like to have financial compensation please. Exactly And I get that, as a Warden, you are provided for if you're staying at Weisshaupt, for example, but if you're roaming the countryside, like Blackwall, you're on your own. Now that I think about it: were there any examples of Wardens going rogue, becoming mercenaries, etc.?
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Post by ClarkKent on Aug 4, 2024 15:19:43 GMT
That does make me wonder who actually funds the Wardens? Following times of blight I imagine grateful nobles, and perhaps the chantry, are providing some level of funding, but who is keeping the bread buckets full during times of peace?
Perhaps a lot of adventures into the deep roads are not only for the purpose of keeping the finger on the darkspawn pulse, but also for loot?
It also stands to reason some Wardens are from wealthy families - perhaps those families make willing donors.
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Post by The Elder King on Aug 4, 2024 15:26:58 GMT
I don't find it too weird that Grey Wardens, or at least some of them, might extend their services and hunting duties towards other creatures. It's a bit more strange that they'd seemingly worked on two different companions that are focused on hunting, although Taash and Davrin's motivations might be, and most likely are, a bit different.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Aug 4, 2024 15:30:28 GMT
I'd say the bigger question, is do the Wardens get paid at all? I mean if I'm risking my life killing a bunch of Darkspawn, I would like to have financial compensation please. Exactly And I get that, as a Warden, you are provided for if you're staying at Weisshaupt, for example, but if you're roaming the countryside, like Blackwall, you're on your own. Now that I think about it: were there any examples of Wardens going rogue, becoming mercenaries, etc.? I don't re,membe r an ystories of them becoming mercenaries the only ones tha tewn trogu ewere the ones Corypheus managed t otric kin DA2 and DAI which we dealt with
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Aug 4, 2024 15:37:11 GMT
I don't find it too weird that Grey Wardens, or at least some of them, might extend their services and hunting duties towards other creatures. It's a bit more strange that they'd seemingly worked on two different companions that are focused on hunting, although Taash and Davrin's motivations might be, and most likely are, a bit different. Yea hin Taask's case she is likely a mercenar first and foremost because if there is on ething Qunar ithrough out the series hav eshown is they know how t ofight. Davrin on the othe rhand i ssworn t ofight anythin gt od owith the blight being a Grey Warden. I cou;ld se eDavrin bein gslightly conflicted thouh ggiven on one hand he's sworn to fight the blight bu on the othre hand if the Evanuris were the ones responsible for creating it an dof cours ebein ghis people's gods that's another problem bu thopefull yit' ssomething we can help him solve.
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Post by Hrungr on Aug 4, 2024 15:37:18 GMT
I've got my fingers crossed that DAV will turn out to be a juggernaut hit, but AC is a juggernaut already. Since the RPG transition, they've continued to grow. AC Valhalla sold 30+ million copies, so they are the heavyweight here. AC Shadows has been mired in controversy though about its treatment of Japanese culture, so if Bioware hold their nerve they could still come out ahead at least when it comes to game awards even if AC still out performs them in sales. Oddly enough, I don't consider AC one of those Aiming-For-GotY franchises. I don't believe an AC game has ever won GotY. They just continue to refine their formula and make barrels of money. And ofc, Ubi knew the controversy they were going to generate, and it only helps their marketing efforts. So it could it be a good year for BioWare on the awards front, especially since there's no clear frontrunner for GotY so far.
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