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Post by hookntackle on Oct 30, 2024 13:45:57 GMT
"But by and large this is the exact Dragon Age game i have been expecting all these years" But you haven't played it how do you know about its content and what to expect including horror? None of the reviews I have seen have had very much positive to say about the quality of it's "story" content. I honestly never thought Bioware games had an amazing story. They are usually a pretty cliche thing. But what's important is how that cliche is presented and experienced. On that front Bioware usually nails it.
Edit: For example HZD has a great story, but the execution in how we go through it is kinda lacking.
Not to break this one off -then again why not, we're all just GOING THE F*CK NUTS HERE anyways after all- but what is an "amazing" story then?
Usually what we mean by that is, intellectually challenging and confronting us with familiar concepts in an unfamiliar way. And then, we feel things.
I'm just genuinely wondering right now how we make that seperation - between an amazing story that we like, and an... unamazing story that we like. Is it basically embarassment? Like how we wished we hadn't enjoyed that episode of Love Island as much as the latest Christopher Nolan movie?
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Post by SomberXIII on Oct 30, 2024 13:53:09 GMT
I honestly never thought Bioware games had an amazing story. They are usually a pretty cliche thing. But what's important is how that cliche is presented and experienced. On that front Bioware usually nails it.
Edit: For example HZD has a great story, but the execution in how we go through it is kinda lacking.
Not to break this one off -then again why not, we're all just GOING THE F*CK NUTS HERE anyways after all- but what is an "amazing" story then?
Usually what we mean by that is, intellectually challenging and confronting us with familiar concepts in an unfamiliar way. And then, we feel things.
I'm just genuinely wondering right now how we make that seperation - between an amazing story that we like, and an... unamazing story that we like. Is it basically embarassment? Like how we wished we hadn't enjoyed that episode of Love Island as much as the latest Christopher Nolan movie?
I think saandrig meant by that an amazing story is a complete narrative that would make an impact, like The Last of Us games. In comparison, Bioware games are usually a patchwork of things that work, that don't, that are brilliant and that are just so-so. Even ME2 is filled with cliches. It's only considered a memorable classic because of the quality of some loyalty missions and the finale outweighing the less enjoyable parts like Jacob's mission for example. Inquisition is the weakest story of all the DA games because of how it was structured in the open world format that hampered the narrative flow.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Oct 30, 2024 13:57:36 GMT
I tried to continue Life is strange: Double exposure yesterday, but couldn't because my mind is in Thedas. So I played couple of origins from DA:O and started Tresspasser with my latest Inquisitor 😅 Me I've been trying to play SW:Outlaws and FO76 but when I play them I go and do some menial things because its that much how I cannot keep still here (and is not helping either). Its not that I dont like them, I really like them, but BioWare has me. None other developer has me so much...
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Oct 30, 2024 14:00:13 GMT
I honestly never thought Bioware games had an amazing story. They are usually a pretty cliche thing. But what's important is how that cliche is presented and experienced. On that front Bioware usually nails it.
Edit: For example HZD has a great story, but the execution in how we go through it is kinda lacking.
Not to break this one off -then again why not, we're all just GOING THE F*CK NUTS HERE anyways after all- but what is an "amazing" story then? For me in the games it goes usually like this, fex. Inquisition - the story around is quite short but its all the stuff done with the companions and the world while getting there. Same in ME1 and MEA which are my faves from ME series (and I guess the story in ME2 was paper thin, but it was the companion missions more in this one (not the companions themselves for me though)).
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Post by ClarkKent on Oct 30, 2024 14:15:54 GMT
On an another note, tomorrow will also mark the first day on the road to DA5 😶🌫️
Providing DAV does well enough in sales I wonder if we will see a Dragon Age trilogy remaster in the coming year or so. I know Origins has a fucked code, etc etc, but one can dream.
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Post by saandrig on Oct 30, 2024 14:26:02 GMT
On an another note, tomorrow will also mark the first day on the road to DA5 😶🌫️ Providing DAV does well enough in sales I wonder if we will see a Dragon Age trilogy remaster in the coming year or so. I know Origins has a fucked code, etc etc, but one can dream. Remaster is completely off the books. Not only because of the spaghetti code, but also because there aren't enough people at Bioware that have worked the code.
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Post by illuminated11 on Oct 30, 2024 14:36:46 GMT
I honestly never thought Bioware games had an amazing story. They are usually a pretty cliche thing. But what's important is how that cliche is presented and experienced. On that front Bioware usually nails it.
Edit: For example HZD has a great story, but the execution in how we go through it is kinda lacking.
Not to break this one off -then again why not, we're all just GOING THE F*CK NUTS HERE anyways after all- but what is an "amazing" story then?
Usually what we mean by that is, intellectually challenging and confronting us with familiar concepts in an unfamiliar way. And then, we feel things.
I'm just genuinely wondering right now how we make that seperation - between an amazing story that we like, and an... unamazing story that we like. Is it basically embarassment? Like how we wished we hadn't enjoyed that episode of Love Island as much as the latest Christopher Nolan movie?
I wish more people were embarrassed about liking Nolan.
An amazing story is when it's something I like, an unamazing story is when it's something I don't like. /s
The real answer is that there is no easy answer. John Gardner once described fiction as a "vivid and continuous dream." Bad or unsatisfying fiction pulls us out of the narrative, interrupts 'the dream' and forces us to think about outside forces. The nature of aesthetics and school of criticism often determines where these break points lie, since a neoplatonist is likely to champion didacticism, because Plato believed in usefulness over artistry. A Russian formalist would disagree, as form always triumphs over message. Obviously a laymen isn't thinking in those terms, but they'll often try to frame it through words like 'immersion' or clichés like 'show don't tell' to better capture their thoughts and feelings about media, because New Criticism is biggest modern school and bleeds into a lot of public consciousness whether they realize it or not, via concepts such as organic unity, close reading, and the idea that everyone is capable of criticism.
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Post by ClarkKent on Oct 30, 2024 14:41:35 GMT
On an another note, tomorrow will also mark the first day on the road to DA5 😶🌫️ Providing DAV does well enough in sales I wonder if we will see a Dragon Age trilogy remaster in the coming year or so. I know Origins has a fucked code, etc etc, but one can dream. Remaster is completely off the books. Not only because of the spaghetti code, but also because there aren't enough people at Bioware that have worked the code. This could be true, but a lot of it comes down to the effort being worth the cost. Given we may not get another Bioware release for a significant time, and perhaps no DLC, it would make sense to release something. Perhaps they may come out with a remaster of Inquisition only? Though I can't see that being much of a draw.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Oct 30, 2024 14:48:34 GMT
We debate. We like. We dislike. But for anyone with post counts in the thousands. BioWare has a hold on us. Same energy: "We are here We have waited We have slept We are sundered We are crippled We are polluted We endure We wait We have found the dreams again We will awaken Whispers written in Red Lyrium"
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Post by Reznore on Oct 30, 2024 14:53:46 GMT
We debate. We like. We dislike. But for anyone with post counts in the thousands. BioWare has a hold on us. Same energy: "We are here We have waited We have slept We are sundered We are crippled We are polluted We endure We wait We have found the dreams again We will awaken Whispers written in Red Lyrium" Yes, we're a bit creepy.
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Post by themikefest on Oct 30, 2024 14:57:44 GMT
Remaster is completely off the books. Not only because of the spaghetti code, but also because there aren't enough people at Bioware that have worked the code. This could be true, but a lot of it comes down to the effort being worth the cost. Given we may not get another Bioware release for a significant time, and perhaps no DLC, it would make sense to release something. Perhaps they may come out with a remaster of Inquisition only? Though I can't see that being much of a draw. I would like to see DAO remade with today's technology. Imagine how much better the battle at Ostagar would look. I doubt the game will be remade. Not sure about remastering DAI. I would buy it, if they did. Don't know what they would do with DA2. Remake? Remaster? I do agree it might be many years before another DA game is released.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Oct 30, 2024 14:59:08 GMT
Same energy: "We are here We have waited We have slept We are sundered We are crippled We are polluted We endure We wait We have found the dreams again We will awaken Whispers written in Red Lyrium" Yes, we're a bit creepy. My phone doesn't display emojies for some reason. So, all I see is devil. It works better that way.
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Post by illuminated11 on Oct 30, 2024 14:59:18 GMT
Why wouldn't Inquisition be much of a draw lol? It's one of their most successful games ever.
I'd love a bundle of all three games, I doubt it happens though. And my dream is that DA2 gets the remake it deserves one day, to let its greatness truly shine through the rushed development time.
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Post by hookntackle on Oct 30, 2024 15:13:54 GMT
Not to break this one off -then again why not, we're all just GOING THE F*CK NUTS HERE anyways after all- but what is an "amazing" story then?
Usually what we mean by that is, intellectually challenging and confronting us with familiar concepts in an unfamiliar way. And then, we feel things.
I'm just genuinely wondering right now how we make that seperation - between an amazing story that we like, and an... unamazing story that we like. Is it basically embarassment? Like how we wished we hadn't enjoyed that episode of Love Island as much as the latest Christopher Nolan movie?
I wish more people were embarrassed about liking Nolan.
An amazing story is when it's something I like, an unamazing story is when it's something I don't like. /s
The real answer is that there is no easy answer. John Gardner once described fiction as a "vivid and continuous dream." Bad or unsatisfying fiction pulls us out of the narrative, interrupts 'the dream' and forces us to think about outside forces. The nature of aesthetics and school of criticism often determines where these break points lie, since a neoplatonist is likely to champion didacticism, because Plato believed in usefulness over artistry. A Russian formalist would disagree, as form always triumphs over message. Obviously a laymen isn't thinking in those terms, but they'll often try to frame it through words like 'immersion' or clichés like 'show don't tell' to better capture their thoughts and feelings about media, because New Criticism is biggest modern school and bleeds into a lot of public consciousness whether they realize it or not, via concepts such as organic unity, close reading, and the idea that everyone is capable of criticism.
"A guy gets into trouble and back out of it. People can't get enough of that story" - Kurt Vonnegut
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Post by Little Bengel on Oct 30, 2024 15:19:57 GMT
The ending guide is on the Internet so be careful. Yo PM me that I wanna spoil myself
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The ending guide is on the Internet so be careful. Yo PM me that I wanna spoil myself Done
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Post by ClarkKent on Oct 30, 2024 15:49:41 GMT
Why wouldn't Inquisition be much of a draw lol? It's one of their most successful games ever. I'd love a bundle of all three games, I doubt it happens though. And my dream is that DA2 gets the remake it deserves one day, to let its greatness truly shine through the rushed development time. It's not necessarily a slight against Inquisition. The game is so readily available across all the platforms, and I've seen it on sale numerous times over the last decade. With that in mind, I just can't see huge anticipation over a 50$ remaster. Only Skyrim and GTA can do that, lol. I would love an Origins remaster just to have it easily bootable on my Ps5. And a full trilogy remaster would be an incredible package.
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Post by illuminated11 on Oct 30, 2024 15:53:08 GMT
Why wouldn't Inquisition be much of a draw lol? It's one of their most successful games ever. I'd love a bundle of all three games, I doubt it happens though. And my dream is that DA2 gets the remake it deserves one day, to let its greatness truly shine through the rushed development time. It's not necessarily a slight against Inquisition. The game is so readily available across all the platforms, and I've seen it on sale numerous times over the last decade. With that in mind, I just can't see huge anticipation over a 50$ remaster. Only Skyrim and GTA can do that, lol. I would love an Origins remaster just to have it easily bootable on my Ps5. And a full trilogy remaster would be an incredible package. The Last of Us remaster also sold well, I believe, despite skepticism prior to release. But fair point.
Yeah, as someone who has a hard time getting Origins to stop crashing, that would be fantastic for me too.
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Post by Iakus on Oct 30, 2024 15:55:14 GMT
This could be true, but a lot of it comes down to the effort being worth the cost. Given we may not get another Bioware release for a significant time, and perhaps no DLC, it would make sense to release something. Perhaps they may come out with a remaster of Inquisition only? Though I can't see that being much of a draw. I would like to see DAO remade with today's technology. Imagine how much better the battle at Ostagar would look. I doubt the game will be remade. Not sure about remastering DAI. I would buy it, if they did. Don't know what they would do with DA2. Remake? Remaster? I do agree it might be many years before another DA game is released. I'd also like to see a DAO remaster. But at the same time, I just KNOW they'd meddle with the characters and the story, so maybe not.
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Post by SofaJockey on Oct 30, 2024 16:18:39 GMT
I'd also like to see a DAO remaster. But at the same time, I just KNOW they'd meddle with the characters and the story, so maybe not. I think Mark Darrah said a good while ago that a remaster was the only option for a non-meddled version. A remake would have to be meddled with. And both options could be too difficult or uneconomic or both.
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Post by biggydx on Oct 30, 2024 16:44:34 GMT
I would like to see DAO remade with today's technology. Imagine how much better the battle at Ostagar would look. I doubt the game will be remade. Not sure about remastering DAI. I would buy it, if they did. Don't know what they would do with DA2. Remake? Remaster? I do agree it might be many years before another DA game is released. I'd also like to see a DAO remaster. But at the same time, I just KNOW they'd meddle with the characters and the story, so maybe not. Would probably have to be a remake given the need for a new engine. And if you're at that point, it wouldn't be surprising if multiple gameplay features ended up changing as a result. The Fade section might get reworked, animations would need to be revamped (or with new ones entirely), and the visual aesthetics might also change. I do agree that leaving this task up to BioWare would probably leave a lot of people with serious reservations on the Narrative front.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Oct 30, 2024 16:58:49 GMT
Some trivia about the german version of the game. The american voice of the Inquisitor which is is translated into older voice option actress Anke Reitzenstein had voiced Athenril in DA2. Emmerichs Robin Brosch was the german Nathaniel Howe well atleast in Awakening. Lucanis Rasmus Borowski i swear i don´t make this up was in DAO Niall.
And the german Solas aka Uzan Ünal is the german voice actor of Leonard from The Big Bang Theory.
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Post by RelevantRevenant on Oct 30, 2024 17:01:30 GMT
Youtube keeps recommending me the click-baity videos such as "Veilguard sucks bollocks!" and "Bioware have failed!" Honestly, would it be too much to ask for people to not say anything if they don't have nice things to say? Oh yes, the content creators must create content and I suppose DA-rage is the thing right now.
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