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Post by sjsharp2010 on Nov 18, 2024 23:48:09 GMT
Really, I couldn't care less what goes on in the internet about the game. I do not look for approval of other people if I like a game or not. I do not care whether it's nominated for some award or not. It fascinates me to no end that people actually gather "evidence" of a game fail, when we STILL don't know how well it sold so far. EA will let us know, or not. But hey, now even I was curious and checked the German game charts. Veilguard is in 6th place, not too shabby I guess. Remember when there was no internet and all we did was play games for fun and we either liked them or not? Yeah... Yeah end o fth edaq ythe only question anyon eerall yneeds t oask is do yo uenjoy th gam eo rnot. I fyou lik ea gam ethen it' sther for you if not then go find a gam eyo udo like I like Veilguard an dI'm playin gth efina lmissio nnow and I' malread yseein gwha tthey'e rsayin gabou tth eendin gbein gstrong I haven' tquie tfinished yet but I hav ejus ttaken out Ghila'nain so onl yElgarnan is left and figuring out what to do about Solas But as fa ra sI'm concerned if Biowa reare shut down aftye rthis I can think of wors egames t oleav eon than Veilguard.
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Post by river82 on Nov 18, 2024 23:50:18 GMT
The combat and environments were the 2 I remember hearing loudest. Plus no origins/race choice. Didn’t bother me much as I absolutely loved the writing/characters That's the thing though, to really appreciate the writing/characters you need to give the game a chance and I get the sense many of the people who played DA2 on lunch wrote it off before they had a chance to. That's also why I think DATV gets less backlash, because the package of this game is extremely good. Barely any technical issues, looks good, has fun combat, etc It's not about giving things a chance, it's about people liking different things. For example people who like large scale epic fantasy may not appreciate the closer lens, smaller scale character story of Dragon Age 2. The "try it for 60 hours and give it a chance" thing has to go lol. Too many times people will do that and still not like the game, but now you've told them to play something they hate for 60 hours, so now they're bitter. Happens all the time in FFXIV
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Post by colfoley on Nov 18, 2024 23:52:08 GMT
Yeah finally found my own thoughts on the matter and its just like...the list of Game of the Year candidates are two games I've never heard of, a DLC, a remake, and Astroboy. The only one that even feels remotely in the same league is Black Myth but really odd that with all that Veilguard wasn't nominated.
And judging 'games of the year' just remains odd for me. Only manage to pick up one or two titles every so often so it always feels like a cheat to say 'well this is my Game of the Year'. Oh yeah I picked up Horizon Forbidden West as a new game this year but that is old, and definitley not in the same category of quality even if it was. But think Veilguard is easily going to shape up into a top five all time game for me.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Nov 18, 2024 23:53:25 GMT
That's the thing though, to really appreciate the writing/characters you need to give the game a chance and I get the sense many of the people who played DA2 on lunch wrote it off before they had a chance to. That's also why I think DATV gets less backlash, because the package of this game is extremely good. Barely any technical issues, looks good, has fun combat, etc It's not about giving things a chance, it's about people liking different things. For example people who like large scale epic fantasy may not appreciate the closer lens, smaller scale character story of Dragon Age 2. The "try it for 60 hours and give it a chance" thing has to go lol. Too many times people will do that and still not like the game, but now you've told them to play something they hate for 60 hours, so now they're bitter. Happens all the time in FFXIV Trying something for under 2 hours and writing a "review" doesn't work either.
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Post by andorvex on Nov 18, 2024 23:54:13 GMT
I'm clearly not gamer enough. Out of all the games there I played one and don't know most of them
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Post by colfoley on Nov 18, 2024 23:54:45 GMT
That's the thing though, to really appreciate the writing/characters you need to give the game a chance and I get the sense many of the people who played DA2 on lunch wrote it off before they had a chance to. That's also why I think DATV gets less backlash, because the package of this game is extremely good. Barely any technical issues, looks good, has fun combat, etc It's not about giving things a chance, it's about people liking different things. For example people who like large scale epic fantasy may not appreciate the closer lens, smaller scale character story of Dragon Age 2. The "try it for 60 hours and give it a chance" thing has to go lol. Too many times people will do that and still not like the game, but now you've told them to play something they hate for 60 hours, so now they're bitter. Happens all the time in FFXIV Veilguard has both.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Nov 18, 2024 23:55:51 GMT
Yeah finally found my own thoughts on the matter and its just like...the list of Game of the Year candidates are two games I've never heard of, a DLC, a remake, and Astroboy. The only one that even feels remotely in the same league is Black Myth but really odd that with all that Veilguard wasn't nominated. And judging 'games of the year' just remains odd for me. Only manage to pick up one or two titles every so often so it always feels like a cheat to say 'well this is my Game of the Year'. Oh yeah I picked up Horizon Forbidden West as a new game this year but that is old, and definitley not in the same category of quality even if it was. But think Veilguard is easily going to shape up into a top five all time game for me. I think Astrobot is a technical masterpiece as well as a good platformer. It's a ps5 exculsive, but I'm still playing through Veilguard (I'm late into Act one) just haven't had time in back log to try it.
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Post by river82 on Nov 18, 2024 23:55:55 GMT
It's not about giving things a chance, it's about people liking different things. For example people who like large scale epic fantasy may not appreciate the closer lens, smaller scale character story of Dragon Age 2. The "try it for 60 hours and give it a chance" thing has to go lol. Too many times people will do that and still not like the game, but now you've told them to play something they hate for 60 hours, so now they're bitter. Happens all the time in FFXIV Veilguard has both. Too bad its delivery was messed up
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Post by river82 on Nov 18, 2024 23:56:54 GMT
Yeah finally found my own thoughts on the matter and its just like...the list of Game of the Year candidates are two games I've never heard of, a DLC, a remake, and Astroboy. The only one that even feels remotely in the same league is Black Myth but really odd that with all that Veilguard wasn't nominated. And judging 'games of the year' just remains odd for me. Only manage to pick up one or two titles every so often so it always feels like a cheat to say 'well this is my Game of the Year'. Oh yeah I picked up Horizon Forbidden West as a new game this year but that is old, and definitley not in the same category of quality even if it was. But think Veilguard is easily going to shape up into a top five all time game for me. I think Astrobot is a technical masterpiece as well as a good platformer. It's a ps5 exculsive, but I'm still playing through Veilguard (I'm late into Act one) just haven't had time in back log to try it. Of course it is. Metaphor also has an extremely compelling story and is generally regarded a an amazing RPG and experience. Don't understand the point of being dismissive of obviously great games
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Post by colfoley on Nov 18, 2024 23:57:17 GMT
I'm clearly not gamer enough. Out of all the games there I played one and don't know most of them Kind of the odd thing because I am.  Not that much I grant you I don't spend like enough time on it to get to everything I want to get to, but its also my hobby and the thing I am plugged into so I just find a little odd I haven't even heard of some of these games. And at the risk of sounding really like an old codger on this in a way and I do know I can't judge it too harshly since I haven't played it but FF VII Rebirth very much seemed like a copy of the first game from the LP I watched. An OK game with an amazing ending. And being a remake is also a headscratcher, a bit.
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Post by andorvex on Nov 18, 2024 23:58:02 GMT
Metaphor is awesome. Not the greatest game of all times or anything, but a really superb experience that I'll probably replay more than once
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Post by journey95 on Nov 18, 2024 23:58:22 GMT
And since Inquisition was such a success, the logical next step was to pivot away from the design.... I don't think an open world would have saved this game, Andromeda was Inquisition without the good writing and it sucked. Inquisition still had plenty of good characters and quests and didn’t feel so immature. It respected the lore and the players choices If they only continued from what Tresspasser set up... |
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Post by river82 on Nov 18, 2024 23:59:12 GMT
It's not about giving things a chance, it's about people liking different things. For example people who like large scale epic fantasy may not appreciate the closer lens, smaller scale character story of Dragon Age 2. The "try it for 60 hours and give it a chance" thing has to go lol. Too many times people will do that and still not like the game, but now you've told them to play something they hate for 60 hours, so now they're bitter. Happens all the time in FFXIV Trying something for under 2 hours and writing a "review" doesn't work either. 5 hours is plenty of time. If your game doesn't grip within 5 hours that's a game problem. But I understand people who try games for 2 hours and move on. Everybody's time deficient these days, and there's plenty of entertainment around that will grip people right from the start.
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Post by andorvex on Nov 18, 2024 23:59:54 GMT
Metaphor has like a 7 hour demo, now that's standards
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Post by river82 on Nov 19, 2024 0:00:59 GMT
I'm clearly not gamer enough. Out of all the games there I played one and don't know most of them Kind of the odd thing because I am. Not that much I grant you I don't spend like enough time on it to get to everything I want to get to, but its also my hobby and the thing I am plugged into so I just find a little odd I haven't even heard of some of these games. And at the risk of sounding really like an old codger on this in a way and I do know I can't judge it too harshly since I haven't played it but FF VII Rebirth very much seemed like a copy of the first game from the LP I watched. An OK game with an amazing ending. And being a remake is also a headscratcher, a bit. ... I don't know what to say. Balatro was being talked about everywhere for months. If you never heard of it then you're probably in very specialized gaming circles.
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Post by journey95 on Nov 19, 2024 0:01:04 GMT
I have been around long enough to have lived through two previous waves of ' Dragon Age fans don't like this Dragon Age game' and if DA5 ever exists I expect to see a another one. Hell, there was plenty of 'BioWare fans don't like Dragon Age: Origins' back in the day. The backlash to DAV is nothing like as bad as the backlash to DA2, since this one was at least a moderate critical success due to not having the flaws caused by being developed in eighteen months. We have no way of knowing right now if Veilguard is commercially successful enough to justify another entry in the series - even if we had sales numbers they'd be meaningless without knowing what EA's expectations were, and they're not going to tell us that. Given the gap between games and the long and troubled development there's certainly a chance that they'll decide to cut their losses and not make any more games. But then, appearances can be deceiving - DA2 was financially successful because of that short development cycle even though a lot of people regarded it as a disappointing failure at the time of release. Should Veilguard be the end of the line, I am content that we got an end to the arc that started in Origins and answers to most of the big lore questions, even if I would like to play Dragon Age: Devouring Storm. Getting through the rest of my twelve world states should keep me occupied for a few years, and then I've got a couple more I want to make ... Didn’t DA2s expansion get cancelled because it didnt sell well enough? |
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Post by alanc9 on Nov 19, 2024 0:02:19 GMT
I will say I never thought a card game would be nominated for goty, but here we are. was nominated in 2014  And since Inquisition was such a success, the logical next step was to pivot away from the design.... The only Bioware sequels that weren't radical departures from their predecessors were BG2 and ME3. The studio seems constitutionally incapable of consistency, and they've always been susceptible to trends, even back with BG1, which they made real time chasing that sweet Diablo money. And Dragon Age in particular has been pulled hard this way and that by competing visions. Ten years on, I didn't expect Veilguard to be anything like Inquisition. That's a good point. It does make me wonder about the process, though. If "a God of War / ME:A hybrid" was the answer, what on earth was the question? And why did they miss chasing the BG3 horniest-game-ever aspect? |
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Post by colfoley on Nov 19, 2024 0:02:23 GMT
Inquisition's open world and side content was its most criticized aspects, while I do love it dearly it also released in a pre Witcher and now pre God of War world, and pre Jedi Fallen Order to an extent. Its very logical BioWare went back to what they are good at instead of trend chasing.
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Post by andorvex on Nov 19, 2024 0:02:29 GMT
DA2 had at least two pretty big DLCs
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Nov 19, 2024 0:02:56 GMT
I will say I never thought a card game would be nominated for goty, but here we are. 48000 votes on Steam and 97% positive. You should give it a try, people have been having fun  Yeah las tyea rnobody though tBG3 would win bu ti tprett ymuch swep tth eboard. I can see why it won a sit is a good game. I'v eno tbeaten it yet but I d ofin dit good fun. End o fth eda ythat' sall I want from m ygames an dright no wVeilguardf i sprovidin gtha tfor me. So asfar as I'm concerned I like it. I jus tneed t ofinis hth efinale if I can.
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Post by river82 on Nov 19, 2024 0:03:02 GMT
Metaphor has like a 7 hour demo, now that's standards Yeah, it's very much appreciated in the current day and age
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Post by colfoley on Nov 19, 2024 0:03:57 GMT
Kind of the odd thing because I am. Not that much I grant you I don't spend like enough time on it to get to everything I want to get to, but its also my hobby and the thing I am plugged into so I just find a little odd I haven't even heard of some of these games. And at the risk of sounding really like an old codger on this in a way and I do know I can't judge it too harshly since I haven't played it but FF VII Rebirth very much seemed like a copy of the first game from the LP I watched. An OK game with an amazing ending. And being a remake is also a headscratcher, a bit. ... I don't know what to say. Balatro was being talked about everywhere for months. If you never heard of it then you're probably in very specialized gaming circles. Honestly more I think about it the more I think I did briefly hear of Balatro somewhere, but this could just be gaslighting myself to.
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Post by river82 on Nov 19, 2024 0:04:55 GMT
48000 votes on Steam and 97% positive. You should give it a try, people have been having fun Yeah las tyea rnobody though tBG3 would win bu ti tprett ymuch swep tth eboard. I can see why it won a sit is a good game. I'v eno tbeaten it yet but I d ofin dit good fun. End o fth eda ythat' sall I want from m ygames an dright no wVeilguardf i sprovidin gtha tfor me. So asfar as I'm concerned I like it. I jus tneed t ofinis hth efinale if I can. Heh, we all thought it would win  Some people hoped it wouldn't but there was just a huge amount of hype behind it and a growing anticipation and sense of inevitability
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Post by Andrew Waples on Nov 19, 2024 0:06:15 GMT
Trying something for under 2 hours and writing a "review" doesn't work either. 5 hours is plenty of time. If your game doesn't grip within 5 hours that's a game problem. But I understand people who try games for 2 hours and move on. Everybody's time deficient these days, and there's plenty of entertainment around that will grip people right from the start. So, If someone left a theater say 10 or 40 minutes into a movie and left a review. You wouldn't have a problem with that? So, most rpg's are 40 hrs+; like 5 hours for some rpgs is just scratching the surface.
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Post by andorvex on Nov 19, 2024 0:08:18 GMT
5 hours is plenty of time. If your game doesn't grip within 5 hours that's a game problem. But I understand people who try games for 2 hours and move on. Everybody's time deficient these days, and there's plenty of entertainment around that will grip people right from the start. So, If someone left a theater say 10 or 40 minutes into a movie and left a review. You wouldn't have a problem with that? So, most rpg's are 40 hrs+; like 5 hours for some rpgs is just scratching the surface. Not a fair comparison at all come on. Two hours vs 40 hours is just not the same, especially if you are an adult |
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