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Post by colfoley on Nov 19, 2024 4:40:24 GMT
The skeptic thread having varied discussion? This morning people were trashing it for being nominated for some small award. I mean if it’s anything that had more passioned discussion is the what did you do in Dragon Age today thread? It had mix of views positive or negative. They always carry that negative vibes, bringing everyone's moods down. It's one thing to be negative about the game. I've expressed mine a few times before but I don't let myself be shaded over that for more than a few hours. One thing the skeptics and complaints has in common, it's always "My opinion is VALID!!!". I have respected their opinions but it gets frustrating when the same thing gets reiterated for many of their comments. That went on for days and even weeks, maybe months and years too? I'm definitely not trying to do this. Indeed reading the varying reactions has been sobering in this regard.
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Post by smilesja on Nov 19, 2024 4:45:45 GMT
The skeptic thread having varied discussion? This morning people were trashing it for being nominated for some small award. I mean if it’s anything that had more passioned discussion is the what did you do in Dragon Age today thread? It had mix of views positive or negative. They always carry that negative vibes, bringing everyone's moods down. It's one thing to be negative about the game. I've expressed mine a few times before but I don't let myself be shaded over that for more than a few hours. One thing the skeptics and complainers have in common is that they like to shout "My opinion is VALID!!! And you don't get to shut me out". I have respected their opinions but it gets frustrating when the same thing gets reiterated for many of their comments. That went on for days and even weeks, maybe months and years too? I meant what I meant that he sounded upset. The later comments just reinforced that again. We can be much better than that. I'm not trying to shut them down. I was feeling they were the ones shutting me down for liking the game. Their incessant overbearing tone just paint themselves as being 'upset'. I'm just checking the thread for news. Where is the news lol At this point they’re just gaslighting people.
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Post by river82 on Nov 19, 2024 4:46:24 GMT
Game's been out for 3 weeks now. I'm going to see how long you're going to keep using that excuse January 1st at least. Granted we'll see what happens after but based on how I usually play games and the apparent size of the game it'd take me that long usually if I didn't get my head start and I doubt most people even have the 'free time' I do. Plus the holidays. Also if you don't want to seem upset you might try reacting to a logical point with more then 'that's an excuse'. And yet you're here discussing the game, which is what many people who are hyped end up doing. Every major hype game had tons of discussion and posts around launch. You think people weren't posting about Black Myth or Elden RIng because they were playing the game? These aren't either or prospects, especially considering a lot of gamers have 2 monitors now, a phone, or whatever else that connects to the internet. People are very capable, as you have shown, of both playing and posting about games, and that's usually what happens. People tend to make the excuse that people are offline playing the game only when the reception is poor and online discourse is weighted to the negative. Steamcharts indicates a Sunday playerbase concurrent peak of 40k. So the game's lost over half of its playerbase. EDIT because timezones
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Post by colfoley on Nov 19, 2024 4:56:40 GMT
January 1st at least. Granted we'll see what happens after but based on how I usually play games and the apparent size of the game it'd take me that long usually if I didn't get my head start and I doubt most people even have the 'free time' I do. Plus the holidays. Also if you don't want to seem upset you might try reacting to a logical point with more then 'that's an excuse'. And yet you're here discussing the game, which is what many people who are hyped end up doing. Every major hype game had tons of discussion and posts around launch. You think people weren't posting about Black Myth or Elden RIng because they were playing the game? These aren't either or prospects, especially considering a lot of gamers have 2 monitors now, a phone, or whatever else that connects to the internet. People are very capable, as you have shown, of both playing and posting about games, and that's usually what happens. People tend to make the excuse that people are offline playing the game only when the reception is poor and online discourse is weighted to the negative. Steamcharts indicates a Sunday playerbase concurrent peak of 40k. So the game's lost over half of its playerbase. EDIT because timezones Dude I'm a masochist. I'd be here no matter what and some small regret staying on here and SM in general has led to quite a few things spoiled.
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Post by river82 on Nov 19, 2024 4:58:32 GMT
And yet you're here discussing the game, which is what many people who are hyped end up doing. Every major hype game had tons of discussion and posts around launch. You think people weren't posting about Black Myth or Elden RIng because they were playing the game? These aren't either or prospects, especially considering a lot of gamers have 2 monitors now, a phone, or whatever else that connects to the internet. People are very capable, as you have shown, of both playing and posting about games, and that's usually what happens. People tend to make the excuse that people are offline playing the game only when the reception is poor and online discourse is weighted to the negative. Steamcharts indicates a Sunday playerbase concurrent peak of 40k. So the game's lost over half of its playerbase. EDIT because timezones Dude I'm a masochist. I'd be here no matter what and some small regret staying on here and SM in general has led to quite a few things spoiled. That's what spoiler free threads are for. USUALLY they're policed quite thoroughly on launch
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Post by colfoley on Nov 19, 2024 5:01:51 GMT
Dude I'm a masochist. I'd be here no matter what and some small regret staying on here and SM in general has led to quite a few things spoiled. That's what spoiler free threads are for. USUALLY they're policed quite thoroughly on launch more FB. Still glad to see spoilers don't ruin my enjoyment, indeed have something to look forward to now.
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Post by river82 on Nov 19, 2024 5:03:53 GMT
That's what spoiler free threads are for. USUALLY they're policed quite thoroughly on launch more FB. Still glad to see spoilers don't ruin my enjoyment, indeed have something to look forward to now. Hope the ending satisfies you
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Post by VARMAELEN on Nov 19, 2024 5:24:19 GMT
I'm pretty sure the devs said Inquisition was their best selling game shortly after it released. Honestly, I think sets bad precedence - BioWare dev learn from mistakes, and I think it's bad to learn that "we should make more games like Inquisition because more people like it". Either way they're going to learn from Veilguard sales. FWIW I want Veilguard to succeed but we all know it's not a clear win. They must improve the next game (if there will be one), and learn to synthetize what's best from older and newer game, otherwise we stuck in a limbo of learning from wrong lessons. DA2 is a great Dragon Age, and it's even easier to see in hindsight, but it deserved the backlash it got. Yep, DA2 was a huge downgrade compared to DAO, that's the main reason it got the backlash, writing wise, it was tight, I think it's slightly better written than DAO, if it was presented like DAO (multiple background/class), I am sure like 60% (at least) of the backlash would be gone.
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Post by alanc9 on Nov 19, 2024 6:09:12 GMT
After all these years, I think it's a tragedy that DA2 wasn't considered to be a model for the industry. These bloated dev cycles are just ridiculous. Everyone says they're going to shorten them, but they never do.
At least Bio's showing some sense by trying to push Mass Effect 5 out the door while people still remember what Mass Effect is.
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Post by Sartoz on Nov 19, 2024 6:52:17 GMT
After all these years, I think it's a tragedy that DA2 wasn't considered to be a model for the industry. These bloated dev cycles are just ridiculous. Everyone says they're going to shorten them, but they never do. At least Bio's showing some sense by trying to push Mass Effect 5 out the door while people still remember what Mass Effect is. Is it? Have yet to come across an article that mentions the studio is officially starting to work on the next ME.
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Post by Sartoz on Nov 19, 2024 6:54:04 GMT
I'm pretty sure the devs said Inquisition was their best selling game shortly after it released. Honestly, I think sets bad precedence - BioWare dev learn from mistakes, and I think it's bad to learn that "we should make more games like Inquisition because more people like it". Either way they're going to learn from Veilguard sales. FWIW I want Veilguard to succeed but we all know it's not a clear win. They must improve the next game (if there will be one), and learn to synthetize what's best from older and newer game, otherwise we stuck in a limbo of learning from wrong lessons. DA2 is a great Dragon Age, and it's even easier to see in hindsight, but it deserved the backlash it got. Yep, DA2 was a huge downgrade compared to DAO, that's the main reason it got the backlash, writing wise, it was tight, I think it's slightly better written than DAO, if it was presented like DAO (multiple background/class), I am sure like 60% (at least) of the backlash would be gone. Hey, I love DA2. replayed the game many a times.
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Post by Sartoz on Nov 19, 2024 7:28:26 GMT
Decided to start completing the many side quests I accumulates before I decide to get the Necro. I figured I'd increase my stats.... maybe even upgrade my work bench.. working my way up to LvL 20.... which, if I read correctly, opens up a few things.
Side quests are, so far, a mixed bag. Puzzles are designed to make me run back and forth... a total waste of my time... level design is awesome, however... gotta give the artists that much. Harding's personal quest... I found her dialogue writing childish. I'm unsure if this is intentional.... nevertheless, boring comes to mind. She stays behind unless I'm forced to drag her with me. Funny enough, I found her stone "gift", while she stayed behind (Davrin's quest), quite useful. Davrin's quest also weak, imo. Bellara's? ... that generated a moist eye.... those arms akimbo during the cinematics have a tendency to ruin the moment.
Taking a break since the game crashed again.... but I'm making progress of sorts.
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Post by OrbitalWings on Nov 19, 2024 7:32:35 GMT
Just rolled credits on Veilguard.
No spoilers, obviously, but you know what? For something I waited ten whole years for, I'm pretty damn satisfied.
I get why some aren't keen, I've seen the game's issues firsthand and I understand why they're dealbreakers for some, but sitting here with the credits rolling all I can really think at the moment is that taken as a whole, I really love this game, and I'm glad it exists.
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Post by river82 on Nov 19, 2024 7:42:33 GMT
After all these years, I think it's a tragedy that DA2 wasn't considered to be a model for the industry. These bloated dev cycles are just ridiculous. Everyone says they're going to shorten them, but they never do. At least Bio's showing some sense by trying to push Mass Effect 5 out the door while people still remember what Mass Effect is. Is it? Have yet to come across an article that mentions the studio is officially starting to work on the next ME. BioWare has revealed during an interview with Rolling Stone that it is turning its full attention to the new Mass Effect game now that Dragon Age: The Veilguard is complete, and as such has no plans to release any DLC for the fantasy-RPG.www.psu.com/news/dragon-age-the-veilguard-dlc-has-been-ruled-out-as-bioware-turns-to-new-mass-effect
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Post by VARMAELEN on Nov 19, 2024 7:47:19 GMT
Honestly, I think sets bad precedence - BioWare dev learn from mistakes, and I think it's bad to learn that "we should make more games like Inquisition because more people like it". Either way they're going to learn from Veilguard sales. FWIW I want Veilguard to succeed but we all know it's not a clear win. They must improve the next game (if there will be one), and learn to synthetize what's best from older and newer game, otherwise we stuck in a limbo of learning from wrong lessons. Yep, DA2 was a huge downgrade compared to DAO, that's the main reason it got the backlash, writing wise, it was tight, I think it's slightly better written than DAO, if it was presented like DAO (multiple background/class), I am sure like 60% (at least) of the backlash would be gone. Hey, I love DA2. replayed the game many a times. I love them too, but it's hard to not see the misopportunity along the way: Combat is more action less strategic and roleplaying aspect is almost gone (except for emotion based response). Imagine instead if player can pick races, imagine how your ELF hawke would interact with Kirkwall elven populace, or if your faction mattered after the beginning quest? (not only for additional extra quest that nobody in the game mentioned/cares about?) but no, bioware did what bioware always does, binary choices (sister dead/brother dead, bring sister/brother to deep roads or not, templar or mage, stab anders or not stab anders) - and almost nothing else. Still love the game, still deeply flawed.
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Post by saandrig on Nov 19, 2024 7:55:59 GMT
Game's been out for 3 weeks now. I'm going to see how long you're going to keep using that excuse Geez, 3 weeks already? I feel like I am barely dipping into the game.
I am midway of Act 2 on the 2nd run and already can't wait to go on my Warden run.
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Post by VARMAELEN on Nov 19, 2024 8:10:43 GMT
you're either amazed or down right insulted when your Warden barely mentioned the fact that he is a warden nor your companion, nor davrin. Mostly from Evka and Antoine. At this point I'm scared picking other faction because logically other faction (apart from SD or AC) would've get even less reactivity in dialogue considered what I've been presented so far.
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Post by alanc9 on Nov 19, 2024 8:19:53 GMT
Game's been out for 3 weeks now. I'm going to see how long you're going to keep using that excuse Geez, 3 weeks already? I feel like I am barely dipping into the game.
I am midway of Act 2 on the 2nd run and already can't wait to go on my Warden run.
You're way ahead of me. I haven't even got to Act 2 on my first run.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Nov 19, 2024 9:59:48 GMT
At this point I'm scared picking other faction because logically other faction (apart from SD or AC) would've get even less reactivity in dialogue considered what I've been presented so far. Yeah, if you think Warden reactivity is disappointing I don't think you're going to like the others. It's got way more dialogue options and reactivity than Lord of Fortune, at least, and judging from what hear more than the other options as well.
(For what it's worth I got what I wanted out of LoF and I'm really enjoying Warden so far but if you want more out of the factions system than what the Grey Warden has ... yeah, no.)
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Post by fairdragon on Nov 19, 2024 10:09:40 GMT
I need at least GOTY nomination, not for BioWare's sake but to piss off the irrational haters. We got a nomination, but not GOTY.
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Post by fairdragon on Nov 19, 2024 10:35:52 GMT
surely there are Rivaini/Qun term for that This is the biggest problem the game have in my eyes. It try to much to solve problems with our perspective and not from the lore kinda view.
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Post by fairdragon on Nov 19, 2024 10:43:17 GMT
Elden Ring: Shadow of the Erdtree Can someone tell me if this game is more like DAOA and expansion or more a normale DLC? Because i find it weard that they included it.
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Post by fairdragon on Nov 19, 2024 10:48:25 GMT
I'm a bit surprised DD2 made the list given that the reception was not overly enthusiastic. DAV not getting nominated for even the RPG category stings a bit, then again no western RPG was nominated as far as I can see. That wasn't a surprise. I was a bit hopeing of the action adventure category, but i know if it doesn't get the innovation one they are biased against it.
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Post by jennica on Nov 19, 2024 10:59:39 GMT
At this point I'm scared picking other faction because logically other faction (apart from SD or AC) would've get even less reactivity in dialogue considered what I've been presented so far. Yeah, if you think Warden reactivity is disappointing I don't think you're going to like the others. It's got way more dialogue options and reactivity than Lord of Fortune, at least, and judging from what hear more than the other options as well.
(For what it's worth I got what I wanted out of LoF and I'm really enjoying Warden so far but if you want more out of the factions system than what the Grey Warden has ... yeah, no.)
From what i read, Mourn Watch has the best reactivity.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Nov 19, 2024 11:13:57 GMT
After all these years, I think it's a tragedy that DA2 wasn't considered to be a model for the industry. These bloated dev cycles are just ridiculous. Everyone says they're going to shorten them, but they never do. At least Bio's showing some sense by trying to push Mass Effect 5 out the door while people still remember what Mass Effect is. No, they did an entire year of crunch of essentially.
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