Schmooples' Den! The DA News Discussion Thread

To be honest, while I have no issue with discussing the game, what I like and dislike, I'm really starting to lose my patience for this attitude (it's kinda hard to define, but it's like weird toxic positive gatekeeping?) whatever it is that drives people into thinking the fact they liked the game entitle them to dictate who is and isn't allowed to engage in discussions here.

I'm here because even though I dislike this game immensely, and I have very good reasons for it, I find the discussion around it to be interesting (even more interesting and worthwhile than the game itself), in addition to really liking the adjacent discussions it spurns about the industry, other, similar games, etc.

If you're not interested in engaging with me, just don't engage. I promise you that if I lose interest I'll go away.

And btw- all the nonsense you wrote about me in the end of your comment has absolutely nothing with anything I wrote, only your impression of me based on who knows what.. disagreeing with you?

The fact you hide your lousy attitude behind nice words doesn't make it less ugly (not that saying 'dude, just move on then, and stop implying that because the thing stopped satisfying YOU it means that it's objectively bad." Is a very nice way to say things). Come now we are not in kindergarten.

Call it whatever you want. I spoke of my opinion, I don't see why should I give an introduction every time I say the game is bad. Of course it's my opinion, I don't understand why would you assume I think it is some sort of a fact other than if, of course, you only assume the worst of me even though you have no idea who I am and what I really think.

And it's not like you're interested, you're just decided that instead of engaging with what I say you grace me with your lame psyche 101 "maybe you should just move on I'm actually saying it for you" or whatever crap you tell yourself. And all that because I said something you disagree with.

By the way, nothing I said was hyperbolic or dismissive. And if you think it was, why not discussing that instead of (fake) gently asking me to go away?

Alright so because I've been called a bigot an anti woke grifter and a racist transphobe I should take it out on colfoley?

Again, I think making a distinction between arguments and people can do a lot of folks some good. I try very hard not to speak of the person, only the argument. All I ask is for people to do the same.

And please, the word "bad" is not some objective truth. An opinion is implied.

that you have been called that is unfortunate.

And I make that distinction all the time. This isn't about you personally but the weakness of your overall arguments.

Missed this post earlier.

Mad that this still goes on. People need to chill, but it won't end, to the point YouTubers (well one does) yell things "I'm going to make sure you never work in the industry again" and keeping an eye on where they work and suggesting (trigger warning in case for people)
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I'll never get that level of hatred.

Developers come and go. It's the nature of all business. If online gaming community sentiments were made into industry standard practice, entry level positions would require everyone to have 15 years of experience and have managed a studio size of 200 people. In that same breathe, games are going to evolve, one way or another. That's a given once you see new Creative Directors and Narrative Teams take over. At the end of the day, it's just a matter of whether or not the quality still holds up.

Honestly, you could make the argument that holding onto senior leadership for too long can bring its own issues. You get stuck in your ways, and if the mentality of these senior leaders in the business promote bad practices (either in development or in the office), that sets a cultural standard that is hard to do away with (see "BioWare magic"). Look at Bethesda right now. They have the longest retention rates of most other studios, and yet sizable number of people had a lot of mixed feelings about the quality of Starfield, partly in its narrative elements, but more so with its exploration.

Reverence of "the OG's" is just silly to me. They're people at the end of the day. The fact that Jennifer Hepler, based on Gaiders tweet, can still get shit on by the community (even when she's one of the original writers) kind of goes to show that seniority doesn't mean jack shit to players if they feel jaded enough about your product. I also don't believe that having success with one franchise necessitates that you're gauranteed success elsewhere. We just recently heard that Casey Hudson's development studio just got closed down. Aaryn Flynn (former BioWare GM) had his studios game, Nightingale, go into Early Access in February of this year with mixed reviews. And while I hope that Exodus, a game made by former BioWare, Naughty Dog, and 343 developers, turns out well, it's not a guarantee either.

I don't want to see people lose their jobs. Gaming, at the end of the day, is a form of entertainment. It's not going to seriously impact my life. But if a company continues making bad practices, they might see themselves shut down regardless (and of their own doing). There's nothing wrong with not liking Veilguard and being far more tepid of future BioWare releases (as I am). I just don't get the desire to see people lose their jobs. There's plenty of worthwhile alternatives out there.