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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 22, 2020 16:16:00 GMT
How does Trespasser ruin things? (Yeah, I know you've talked about this before, but I'm not sure I remember it quite right.) Basically, it takes what was a complete story (the base game) and undoes it for no reason other than a reveal we already knew (Solas = Fen'Harel). If DA4 continues with the Inquisitor as the protagonist that's fine, but if not then as I said it undoes their story and also harms the character by them not stopping Solas (where in the main game it can be excused since they didn't know). And no, them being a NPC isn't a solution since Bioware ruins my protagonists when they become NPCs.
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Jun 22, 2020 16:47:20 GMT
Obviously the Inquisitor is leading the charge in the quest to find Solas, but how will that leadership manifest in the next game?
The million dollar question.
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Post by The Elder King on Jun 22, 2020 16:55:51 GMT
Obviously the Inquisitor is leading the charge in the quest to find Solas, but how will that leadership manifest in the next game? The million dollar question. That’s not necessarily true, if they’d go for a big timeskip. I do think there are reasonable chances for the Inquisitor to be the protagonist, but in regards of your post, I fear the possibility that we’ll get a new protagonist that it’s a simple agent of the Inquisition. Not only I wouldn’t like this kind to protagonist, but it’s be a situation that it’d work quite well with a full online and coop game....which I don’t personally want.
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Post by luketrevelyan on Jun 22, 2020 16:59:42 GMT
I like having a new protagonist each game, so I'll be disappointed if we play again as the Inquisitor (unless it is a dual situation). However, I do agree Trespasser leaves the Inquisitor with unfinished business so they will have to be involved again in some manner. I imagine we'll find that out quickly once the game is announced, whenever that might be.
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Post by wright1978 on Jun 22, 2020 17:02:14 GMT
Obviously the Inquisitor is leading the charge in the quest to find Solas, but how will that leadership manifest in the next game? The million dollar question. That’s not necessarily true, if they’d go for a big timeskip. I do think there are reasonable chances for the Inquisitor to be the protagonist, but in regards of your post, I fear the possibility that we’ll get a new protagonist that it’s a simple agent of the Inquisition. Not only I wouldn’t like this kind to protagonist, but it’s be a situation that it’d work quite well with a full online and coop game....which I don’t personally want. I definitely don’t want the new protagonist to be a pawn of the inquisition. Please let them be an independent figure.
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Jun 22, 2020 17:04:22 GMT
Obviously the Inquisitor is leading the charge in the quest to find Solas, but how will that leadership manifest in the next game? The million dollar question. That’s not necessarily true, if they’d go for a big timeskip. I do think there are reasonable chances for the Inquisitor to be the protagonist, but in regards of your post, I fear the possibility that we’ll get a new protagonist that it’s a simple agent of the Inquisition. Not only I wouldn’t like this kind to protagonist, but it’s be a situation that it’d work quite well with a full online and coop game....which I don’t personally want. It's possible they could do a time skip, I guess. But the devs have explicitly stated that Tevinter Nights is a sort of jumping off point for the next game, and nothing in that book suggests a time skip is happening. Quite the opposite, in fact. Time will tell.
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Post by ClarkKent on Jun 22, 2020 17:15:18 GMT
There are some interesting story implications for the Inquisitor returning, but on other hand he's probably the most boring protagonist we've ever had, and I'm not sure he deserves a second game honestly.
But yeah, I definitely do not want to play as the Inquisitor's mini me.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jun 22, 2020 17:20:45 GMT
As far as I've been made aware, no plans have been made to accommodate the Inquisitor's return. Doesn't mean he won't return, or that he won't return as the PC even, just that no plans involving the Inquisitor have been made so far. It doesn't even mean that plans have been made to include others, instead of the Inquisitor.
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Post by The Elder King on Jun 22, 2020 17:30:20 GMT
As far as I've been made aware, no plans have been made to accommodate the Inquisitor's return. Doesn't mean he won't return, or that he won't return as the PC even, just that no plans involving the Inquisitor have been made so far. It doesn't even mean that plans have been made to include others, instead of the Inquisitor. Do you mean based on the tidbits on info released and hinted so far, or by some sources?
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jun 22, 2020 17:32:47 GMT
Do you mean based on the tidbits on info released and hinted so far, or by some sources? Spaghetti Monster talking in my head.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 22, 2020 17:49:16 GMT
There are some interesting story implications for the Inquisitor returning, but on other hand he's probably the most boring protagonist we've ever had, and I'm not sure he deserves a second game honestly. But yeah, I definitely do not want to play as the Inquisitor's mini me. In what way are they boring? I mean, aside form the fact that I disagree that they were boring in DAI, the least boring thing happened to them - it's possible that the whole 3rd game has been dedicated to set them up as a 'veteran hero' character with a relatively complex relationship with the main antagonist/one of the pivotal characters of the franchise. That is already a super-interesting scenario, because it offers different dynamics to those that would happen if we play a newbie hero on a pretty classic hero's journey, like we did in last 3 games. I mean, never mind that the whole 'they don't deserve a second game' is bizarre take, because that 'second game' could offer many wonderful ways to expand on the character and whatever conflict or challenges they'd be going through, including ways that would be difficult to pull off with yet another new hero. That includes, potentially, offering us a way to play a truly evil character, or one that may have lost their way (I can see such scenario occurring especially if we get dual-protag).
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 22, 2020 17:51:55 GMT
Obviously the Inquisitor is leading the charge in the quest to find Solas, but how will that leadership manifest in the next game? The million dollar question. That’s not necessarily true, if they’d go for a big timeskip. I do think there are reasonable chances for the Inquisitor to be the protagonist, but in regards of your post, I fear the possibility that we’ll get a new protagonist that it’s a simple agent of the Inquisition. Not only I wouldn’t like this kind to protagonist, but it’s be a situation that it’d work quite well with a full online and coop game....which I don’t personally want. I highly doubt we're going to see a massive time skip. A lot may have changed over years of development, but so far, all the available material - from Trespasser through latest comic books to Tevinter Nights - suggests that the time skip won't be particularly big. A year or two maybe, if even that.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 22, 2020 17:55:00 GMT
That’s not necessarily true, if they’d go for a big timeskip. I do think there are reasonable chances for the Inquisitor to be the protagonist, but in regards of your post, I fear the possibility that we’ll get a new protagonist that it’s a simple agent of the Inquisition. Not only I wouldn’t like this kind to protagonist, but it’s be a situation that it’d work quite well with a full online and coop game....which I don’t personally want. I definitely don’t want the new protagonist to be a pawn of the inquisition. Please let them be an independent figure. I doubt they're going to be independent per se. If not for Inquisition, then they will likely be working for some other faction or group, including potentially the Qunari, Siccari, Executors or perhaps even Solas's forces.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jun 22, 2020 17:59:36 GMT
because it offers different dynamics That will not be realized in any interesting or fulfilling way. Why? Because budget, can't be done, time, entitled gamers. Take your pick.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 22, 2020 18:01:15 GMT
I definitely don’t want the new protagonist to be a pawn of the inquisition. Please let them be an independent figure. I don't think they would do this to us. Either bring back the Inquisitor or have someone that is completely different. If the game is going to start off in Tevinter then the Inquisition has never really had much sway there. Even the story in Tevinter Nights that featured Dorian had him helping an independent person and the only stories with characters from the Inquisition were set outside of Tevinter. So, at least initially, I think our PC may be a free agent but various factions may approach them for help, one of which will likely be Dorian on behalf of the Inquisition (as seems the case with the comics) or Charter (ditto). The way I understand it at present there are various factions all looking for Solas, so may be we will be part of some joint venture between them at some point. Alternatively perhaps they will allow us to choose which faction we want to join to head up a team comprised of people from the other groups, some of which we may already have worked with during our jobs for them as an independent.
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Post by Hrungr on Jun 22, 2020 18:03:00 GMT
I definitely don’t want the new protagonist to be a pawn of the inquisition. Please let them be an independent figure. I doubt they're going to be independent per se. If not Inquisition, they will likely be working for some sort of faction or group, including potentially Qunari, Siccari, Executors or perhaps even Solas's forces. My theory right now is we'll be a "Lord of Fortune" (or join them) that they introduced in Tevinter Nights. And though them doing work for the Inquisition, etc.
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Jun 22, 2020 18:19:17 GMT
Two issues I see with a new protagonist dealing with Solas:
First, what possible motivation would a newbie nobody have to try to save him? As someone firmly in the 'redeem' camp, I can't think of one reason someone would want to save him unless they knew him from before all this started.
Second, we've seen what he does to people he doesn't know who get in his way. It isn't pretty.
Dual protag FTW.
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Post by Heimdall on Jun 22, 2020 18:22:25 GMT
That’s not necessarily true, if they’d go for a big timeskip. I do think there are reasonable chances for the Inquisitor to be the protagonist, but in regards of your post, I fear the possibility that we’ll get a new protagonist that it’s a simple agent of the Inquisition. Not only I wouldn’t like this kind to protagonist, but it’s be a situation that it’d work quite well with a full online and coop game....which I don’t personally want. I definitely don’t want the new protagonist to be a pawn of the inquisition. Please let them be an independent figure. I mean, we could be a pawn as much as the warden was of the Grey Wardens in DAO. Technically subordinate to the organization but effectively able to do as we will within our particular mandate.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 22, 2020 18:33:15 GMT
I definitely don’t want the new protagonist to be a pawn of the inquisition. Please let them be an independent figure. I don't think they would do this to us. Either bring back the Inquisitor or have someone that is completely different. If the game is going to start off in Tevinter then the Inquisition has never really had much sway there. But that's the point. Otherwise, what would be the purpose of us being shown in Trespasser that Inquisition Is Starting Anew with New Inner Circle? Why would be Inquisitor declaring that they're heading to Tevinter to get people Solas doesn't know, to counter him knowing their ways and their agents? Inquisition is supposed to be put in this 'fish out of water' scenario, both for in-story and meta-narrative reasons. ...Except for the fact that Dorian, officially or not, is with the Inquisition. So, effectively, it's Inquisition or its associates that help this independent person, potentially ensuring that they become either allies or agents of the Inquisition itself, or people who our agents may tap for either help or information.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 22, 2020 18:37:46 GMT
I doubt they're going to be independent per se. If not Inquisition, they will likely be working for some sort of faction or group, including potentially Qunari, Siccari, Executors or perhaps even Solas's forces. My theory right now is we'll be a "Lord of Fortune" (or join them) that they introduced in Tevinter Nights. And though them doing work for the Inquisition, etc. I'd really would like to start with Executors, whoever they are More realistically though, I think we may have three factions to choose from at the start - Shadow Inquisition, Tevinter Siccari and Qunari Ben-Hassrath. Spies of some sort, effectively.
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Post by necrowaif on Jun 22, 2020 18:41:48 GMT
I definitely don’t want the new protagonist to be a pawn of the inquisition. Please let them be an independent figure. I mean, we could be a pawn as much as the warden was of the Grey Wardens in DAO. Technically subordinate to the organization but effectively able to do as we will within our particular mandate. Objection! The HoF was not a “pawn” of the Wardens, as they acted largely independently of the organization and its rules. Even that whole “must die to kill the Archdemon” thing can be subverted. The HoF was a “pawn” of Flemeth. Get it right.
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Post by wright1978 on Jun 22, 2020 18:47:19 GMT
I definitely don’t want the new protagonist to be a pawn of the inquisition. Please let them be an independent figure. I mean, we could be a pawn as much as the warden was of the Grey Wardens in DAO. Technically subordinate to the organization but effectively able to do as we will within our particular mandate. I have zero desire to be their subordinate no matter how loose they claim bridle and reins are. See no reason we can’t be a hired free agent who ends up sucked down the main arc rabbit hole.
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Post by Hrungr on Jun 22, 2020 18:53:14 GMT
My theory right now is we'll be a "Lord of Fortune" (or join them) that they introduced in Tevinter Nights. And though them doing work for the Inquisition, etc. I'd really would like to start with Executors, whoever they are More realistically though, I think we may have three factions to choose from at the start - Shadow Inquisition, Tevinter Siccari and Qunari Ben-Hassrath. Spies of some sort, effectively. I expect we'll start learning more about the Executors (I hope so!), but I have a feeling they're being positioned as future antagonists. We'll see! I hope we have one in the party though... The reason I think we'll be a LoF is that they're basically an Adventurer's Guild. They take monster bounties, heists, they're treasure hunters, and bodyguards. Some like disguises and changing accents (spying). And being unaffiliated/neutral with the Inquistion, Tevinter and Qunari means they can deal with any or all of these groups.
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Post by Heimdall on Jun 22, 2020 19:06:43 GMT
I mean, we could be a pawn as much as the warden was of the Grey Wardens in DAO. Technically subordinate to the organization but effectively able to do as we will within our particular mandate. Objection! The HoF was not a “pawn” of the Wardens, as they acted largely independently of the organization and its rules. Even that whole “must die to kill the Archdemon” thing can be subverted. The HoF was a “pawn” of Flemeth. Get it right. That the warden was de facto an independent actor is what I’m trying to get across. With the Inquisition’s power base in the South, we could see a similar situation with a protagonist operating in the north.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 22, 2020 19:09:11 GMT
I'd really would like to start with Executors, whoever they are More realistically though, I think we may have three factions to choose from at the start - Shadow Inquisition, Tevinter Siccari and Qunari Ben-Hassrath. Spies of some sort, effectively. I expect we'll start learning more about the Executors (I hope so!), but I have a feeling they're being positioned as future antagonists. We'll see! I hope we have one in the party though... The reason I think we'll be a LoF is that they're basically an Adventurer's Guild. They take monster bounties, heists, they're treasure hunters, and bodyguards. Some like disguises and changing accents (spying). And being unaffiliated/neutral with the Inquistion, Tevinter and Qunari means they can deal with any or all of these groups. Interestingly, I think we may not be LoF (we may work with them or have companions that are LoF) precisely because they're an Adventurer's Guild. Like... we're past having adventures in Thedas or being mercenaries for all sides - more then likely we'll be on a mission to stop the end of the world. And while we may start from a place where our new protagonist is unaware of a larger danger looming over Thedas (be it Solas's plans, the Qunari invasion or Else) my suspicion is that it won't take long for them to understand the gravity of the situation. I think all the heists, bounties and spy activity will basically all be related to the bigger story. A mostly hidden war of spies and assassins on the backdrop of Qunari-Tevinter war. I don't think we'd be playing Accidental Heroes or mercenaries, otherwise I don't think Trespasser (or 2018 teaser) would make much sense, especially with being super-clear what is at stake in the next chapter(s).
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