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Post by necrowaif on Jul 29, 2021 1:57:02 GMT
To be fair, I don’t think it was until 2015 or so that Greg Ellis parted ways with his sanity. And the Alexis Kennedy stuff wasn’t really associated with his work on BioWare, which got tossed out the window one or two production reboots ago.
Though why they thought it was a good idea to get Orson Scott Card to co-write a shitty comic book ...
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Post by slimgrin727 on Jul 29, 2021 1:57:20 GMT
Genuinely happy to see Maggs is no longer at Bioware. I wouldn't trust her any farther than I could throw her.
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Jul 29, 2021 2:04:33 GMT
To clarify, Sam Maggs was in fact at the Edmonton studio when she worked for BioWare, so she would have met and possibly worked with many folks on the Dragon Age team.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jul 29, 2021 2:04:33 GMT
[li]We give special protection from harassment to game developers. [/li][li]Many developers lurk on our forums, some visible, others invisible. Without their work, we have no forum.[/li][/quote] [li]If you see anyone beating up a developer, please report it straight away. [/li][li]Breaking the rules with a developer as the target will lead to a more immediate and firmer response than our standard rules, so don’t do it.[/li][/quote] In case that is TL/DR, don't fling insults at developers on this forum. A couple of posts have been edited to remove insults to a developer. The fact that she no longer works for Bioware isn't relevant.
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Post by phoray on Jul 29, 2021 2:12:23 GMT
I didn't forget Kennedy, but his work for Bioware was ditched according to Bioware or sources or whatever, so it became a non issue.
I still like Harry Potter even though JK Rowling is a crazy twit who tweets too much. I know absolutely nothing about Orson Scott Card but I guess I read his novels the one time I did before he got crappy, like in my childhood before Twitter even existed I just don't connect my authors/actors/singers that closely with the source material. If Jeffrey Epstein made art, I'd avoid it. I won't touch anything Bill Cosby.
I feel like I actually said this in relation to Kennedy when this debate came up then. Bioware outsources code work to 3rd parties. I literally have no idea if this third party is chaining code devs to their chair, every week being crunch week, to do this work. I have like no way of finding out but it probably happens. I still plan to buy Bioware products because there is only so many steps of responsibility I have to have as a consumer, otherwise I literally can't participate in society. Just like I can't actually be 100% vegan because I bought a car and maybe they used chicken feathers in the plastic manufacturing of my dashboard. What I can control is that it doesn't have leather seats. That's my level of responsibility to that ideal
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Jul 29, 2021 2:13:18 GMT
In this thread: a perfect demonstration of why women don't report this stuff!
It's not surprising that harassment has happened at BioWare - it's completely rampant in both the games industry and tech in general. You think the studios that make your favourite games are bad, you should hear about the ones that make your banking software. Which is not to excuse them - the entire industry needs to clean up its act. (And to unionise.)
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jul 29, 2021 2:16:22 GMT
To be clear, my point is not to make anyone feel bad for buying BioWare games, I buy them despite the association with Card because basically nothing else is going to let me slay demons and ALSO be gay.
The simple fact is that, especially in this day and age, when the biggest, most widely consumed media products involve thousands of people, eventually, at some point, a fraction of your money is going to go to a Problematic. It's inevitable.
It behooves one to be vigilant, of course, but the only way to never give money to a bad person or bad system is to never buy anything ever again, including food. That's simply not sustainable.
If stuff going on at BioWare really upsets you, make your feelings known to leadership. Let them know that your continued support is contingent on them doing better.
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Post by necrowaif on Jul 29, 2021 2:19:58 GMT
It's not surprising that harassment has happened at BioWare Sam Maggs never said she was harassed, just “betrayed.” Or at least, that’s what she’s been told by her therapist (ie. the professional she pays to tell her that all her problems are someone else’s fault). In truth, Sam Maggs' idea of "betrayal" is likely a day where someone doesn't tell her that she's the most amazing person to ever grace the face of the Earth.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jul 29, 2021 2:24:20 GMT
We get it, woman bad.
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Post by necrowaif on Jul 29, 2021 2:26:30 GMT
Oh, can you tell us again about how much you hate Dragon Age but it’s one of the few series where you get to have gay romances, so instead of finding some other piece of media to consume, you have to waste all your time hanging out on this forum with the rest of us fucking losers? I never tire of that yarn. I never said, “Don’t believe women.” I said, “Sam Maggs has no credibility.”
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jul 29, 2021 2:37:09 GMT
I never said, “Don’t believe women.” I said, “Sam Maggs has no credibility.” Yes, I'm aware. Hence why I said "woman", referring to your comments about Maggs specifically, not "women". And Dragon Age has things to recommend it besides beefcake, I just disagree with the majority of the fandom about what they are.
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Post by Sundance31us on Jul 29, 2021 2:46:00 GMT
<reads something about a BW/DA netflix series> Meanwhile in my imagination....
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Post by wickedcool on Jul 29, 2021 3:03:51 GMT
I would rather have an animated version of da but I’ll take either. Going to be lots of competition with the fallout series etc. worried with original content . Hopefully it’s horror centric with demons and dark spawn
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Post by Sundance31us on Jul 29, 2021 3:11:42 GMT
I would rather have an animated version of da but I’ll take either. Going to be lots of competition with the fallout series etc. worried with original content . Hopefully it’s horror centric with demons and dark spawn Darkspawn Chronicles the Series...that would be interesting.
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Post by The Elder King on Jul 29, 2021 3:50:38 GMT
It's not surprising that harassment has happened at BioWare Sam Maggs never said she was harassed, just “betrayed.” Or at least, that’s what she’s been told by her therapist (ie. the professional she pays to tell her that all her problems are someone else’s fault). I don’t think that therapists are actually paid to tell you that your problems are alla caused by others. As for Sam Maggs, putting aside the likes and replies of current and former BioWare employees to her tweets on the matter, she worked, as others said, for BioWare in period where we know that there were big problems in the work environment of the studio. It’s not the first time that some former BioWare devs alluded to issues while working there in the past, so I’d say that there are more chances she’s telling the truth and not exaggerating, then the opposite.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 29, 2021 3:51:24 GMT
Genuinely happy to see Maggs is no longer at Bioware. I wouldn't trust her any farther than I could throw her. I mean if she has a record for exaggerating these kinds of things, then we should take what she says with a large grain of salt.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jul 29, 2021 3:54:31 GMT
Sam Maggs never said she was harassed, just “betrayed.” Or at least, that’s what she’s been told by her therapist (ie. the professional she pays to tell her that all her problems are someone else’s fault). I don’t think that therapists are actually paid to tell you that your problems are alla caused by others. My therapist literally told me multiple things were 100% my own fault literally the last time I saw her, so comments like that are wild to me, lol.
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Post by The Elder King on Jul 29, 2021 3:56:33 GMT
Taking things with a grain of salt is fine, if you know something about her that would warrant as such. It doesn’t change the fact that there are people that worked on BioWare at the time, and seemingly on the same project with her, that replied to her tweets and agreed with what she said. That, and Bioware’s not stellar reputation as a work envinronment in the last decade at least, should also be put on the plate when considering if she’s telling the truth or not, not just other informations you might have about her.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jul 29, 2021 4:00:32 GMT
Genuinely happy to see Maggs is no longer at Bioware. I wouldn't trust her any farther than I could throw her. I mean if she has a record for exaggerating these kinds of things, then we should take what she says with a large grain of salt. Might be worth also considering where the claims of exaggeration are actually coming from? All I've seen is bleats from posters on this forum, and not all of them have a scrupulous history of supporting women in other instances.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 29, 2021 4:00:49 GMT
Taking things with a grain of salt is fine, if you know something about her that would warrant as such. It doesn’t change the fact that there are people that worked on BioWare at the time, and seemingly on the same project with her, that replied to her tweets and agreed with what she said. That, and Bioware’s not stellar reputation as a work envinronment in the last decade at least, should also be put on the plate when considering if she’s telling the truth or not, not just other informations you might have about her. All I know is that I heard her reputation is less than stellar. I wouldn't be surprised if it's true given Bioware less than stellar management during Andromeda and Anthem but if she's the source than I'm just going to doubt it.
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Post by The Elder King on Jul 29, 2021 4:05:36 GMT
Taking things with a grain of salt is fine, if you know something about her that would warrant as such. It doesn’t change the fact that there are people that worked on BioWare at the time, and seemingly on the same project with her, that replied to her tweets and agreed with what she said. That, and Bioware’s not stellar reputation as a work envinronment in the last decade at least, should also be put on the plate when considering if she’s telling the truth or not, not just other informations you might have about her. All I know is that I heard her reputation is less than stellar. I wouldn't be surprised if it's true given Bioware less than stellar management during Andromeda and Anthem but if she's the source than I'm just going to doubt it. Again, that’s fair. But there are people that worked with her that are confirming what she said…and another former female (Ann Lemay), that tweeted on the matter by saying that something similar happened to her as well, basically, with another agreeing with her. If you weight all things said by her and others and her own credibility based on what you know about her and think that it’s not enough to believe her, it’s fine. I just think that we should consider all things on both sides. Based on what others are saying (I put aside the likes from current BioWare devs), and Bioware’s reputation on the matter, I just believe there are more chances she’s telling the truth. But it’s just my opinion.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jul 29, 2021 4:14:56 GMT
Yeah, thank god for "reputation". What would we ever do without it? Actually investigate allegations thoroughly? Sounds awful.
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Post by githcheater on Jul 29, 2021 4:19:36 GMT
Sam Maggs never said she was harassed, just “betrayed.” Or at least, that’s what she’s been told by her therapist (ie. the professional she pays to tell her that all her problems are someone else’s fault). I don’t think that therapists are actually paid to tell you that your problems are alla caused by others. It happens. While I was in the hospital being diagnosed as manic depressive many years ago, a social worker had the gall to tell my parents that they were the cause of all my problems ... Fortunately my doctor knew better ...
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Post by The Elder King on Jul 29, 2021 4:23:25 GMT
I don’t think that therapists are actually paid to tell you that your problems are alla caused by others. It happens. While I was in the hospital being diagnosed as manic depressive many years ago, a social worker had the gall to tell my parents that they were the cause of all my problems ... Fortunately my doctor knew better ... The fact that it happens doesn't mean that it's their job to say your issues are all caused by others. It could very well be a case of someone being bad at his/her job. Also, I wouldn't say social workers are therapist, at least, not in my country.
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Post by githcheater on Jul 29, 2021 4:46:51 GMT
It happens. While I was in the hospital being diagnosed as manic depressive many years ago, a social worker had the gall to tell my parents that they were the cause of all my problems ... Fortunately my doctor knew better ... The fact that it happens doesn't mean that it's their job to say your issues are all caused by others. It could very well be a case of someone being bad at his/her job. Also, I wouldn't say social workers are therapist, at least, not in my country. I recall two social workers that were employed by the hospital when I was hospitalized ... one was excellent, the other ... not so much. The "other" social worker was in a meeting with my doctor and my parents (and possibly myself). Shit happens, and I was somewhat lucky to get through it ... many decades ago.
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