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Post by Absafraginlootly on Apr 27, 2022 5:10:57 GMT
I've no strong feelings about Tom Bombadil.
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Post by necrowaif on Apr 27, 2022 5:18:52 GMT
I've no strong feelings about Tom Bombadil. What made you turn neutral? A lust for gold? Power? Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?
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Post by colfoley on Apr 27, 2022 5:24:54 GMT
I know someone who was quite upset he wasn't in the movies.
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Post by Hier0phant on Apr 27, 2022 5:56:58 GMT
I know someone who was quite upset he wasn't in the movies. Same. My sister was disappointed but i have to remind her how goofy he would have looked, and the clashing tones it would have created.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Apr 27, 2022 7:02:22 GMT
Got to be honest, I'm normally a bit of a purist, but with Bombadil I'm happy he was left out. He always felt a bit out if place to me, like a weird self insert with all the op powers and hot wife. In general I think most deviations in the movie was for the better with the possible exception of the depiction of Farmir (although I totally get it and he's still one of my favorites).
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Post by gervaise21 on Apr 27, 2022 7:24:15 GMT
I absolutely despised Tom Bombadil when I read LOTR in high school. I wanted to jump in the book and murder that whimsical asshole, then burn down HIS STUPID HOUSE John Epler @eplerjcYou can learn a lot about someone by how they feel about Tom Bombadil.
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Post by gervaise21 on Apr 27, 2022 7:48:36 GMT
Got to be honest, I'm normally a bit of a purist, but with Bombadil I'm happy he was left out. He always felt a bit out if place to me, like a weird self insert with all the op powers and hot wife. In general I think most deviations in the movie was for the better with the possible exception of the depiction of Farmir (although I totally get it and he's still one of my favorites). Years ago the BBC did a long running radio serialisation of LoTR (24 hour long episodes) and they left him out too. Perhaps he was a self insert or may be Tolkien was trying to make a sort of point about people who think what is going on outside their little world is none of their concern and then find it is; after all how would Tom react if the Frodo hadn't succeeded and the armies of Mordor surrounded him? Although, Tolkien always said he despised allegory and hated it when people tried to compared the LoTR to events that happened in the real world. So it is difficult to see exactly why he introduced Tom to the story but may be he just let his imagination run riot for that part and then thought better of it once he got the hobbits safely to Bree. Still, it did explain why the Black Riders didn't catch up with the hobbits between Buckland and Bree, which is odd when the ring is meant to draw them and the distance involved, which the film conveniently glossed over by having them almost do so. I agree that I didn't like what they did to Faramir in the film (he was one of my favourite characters in the book too) and also what they did to Denethor, turning him from the tragic, misguided figure of the book, who wanted to man outer defenses the Pelanor Fields for as long as they could to slow the enemy advance, to an uncaring, idiotic ruler who would order his army into a charge of the light brigade situation whilst he stuffed his face with food. I hated that part of the film.
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Post by gervaise21 on Apr 27, 2022 8:48:46 GMT
Same. My sister was disappointed but i have to remind her how goofy he would have looked, and the clashing tones it would have created. I've a strange feeling that the Hobbit's depiction of Radagast was a weird merging of that character and Tom Bombadil in the mind of the writer. Certainly after that character assassination I wouldn't have wanted them to have attempted Tom in his own right. When I saw the sled pulled by bunnies, I imagined Tolkien would have been turning in his grave. Clearly they had never read his essay "On Fairy Stories".
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Post by Heimdall on Apr 27, 2022 9:30:37 GMT
I kind of enjoyed the whimsy of Tom, but the whole sequence had me scratching my head thinking “Why are we spending time on this?”
I was happy in the end that the film left him out.
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Post by Sartoz on Apr 27, 2022 10:22:18 GMT
While Mr. Musk has tweeted his "free speech" mantra, there is a caveat to this posture of his:
One: he is quite conservative in some areas but believe him to be centrist.
Two: The EU sent him a warning that in Europe, it's their rules he must follow.
My take is that the "Musk Twitter" platform will not be the "free speech" nirvana that some think it will be.
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Post by Sanunes on Apr 27, 2022 12:48:39 GMT
While Mr. Musk has tweeted his "free speech" mantra, there is a caveat to this posture of his:
One: he is quite conservative in some areas but believe him to be centrist.
Two: The EU sent him a warning that in Europe, it's their rules he must follow.
My take is that the "Musk Twitter" platform will not be the "free speech" nirvana that some think it will be.
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I am thinking the same thing. Musk already has a pretty lousy track record when it comes to free speech for he personally cancelled a reporters Telsa order when he wrong an unfavorable piece about the company. If he can separate his personal politics I don't think there will be much change, but if he starts running it like I am thinking he will its going to have people leave. Then you just have a central location for nutjobs to be monitored by the government.
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David Gaider @davidgaiderGood. 👍 If there was any department at Bio I thought deserved more recognition, it was QA - both the full timers working back-to-back project crunches as well as the contractors rotated in and out so the company could avoid paying them FT benefits.
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Post by gervaise21 on Apr 27, 2022 13:12:21 GMT
I kind of enjoyed the whimsy of Tom, but the whole sequence had me scratching my head thinking “Why are we spending time on this?” Tom made sense in the book because, as I said in my previous post, it helped explain why the Black Riders didn't catch up with them before Bree. The film misses out that whole part involving the house in Buckland. It is as they are crossing the ferry to there that they catch sight of a Black Rider on the bank behind them. This is why when they get to the house, they realise they can't wait for Gandalf to return and to avoid the Black Riders on the road, they leave via the Old Forest, which is where they encounter Tom. Thus far it makes sense plot-wise. What was a bit more hard to fathom was why he introduced the idea that the ring had no effect on Tom or that he could see Frodo when he used it. Suddenly this inoffensive whimsical guy in the forest becomes more significant. Even more so when it transpires he is also capable of scaring off a barrow wight. Wouldn't such a person be useful in getting them to Rivendale? Tom explains it by saying there are limits to his power which mean he won't be of any help beyond his domain. Then once we reach Rivendale, Gandalf explains why Tom would not be a good custodian of the ring so not a viable alternative to destroying it. So he wasn't a total waste of time so far as the story was concerned but the whole sequence could be left out without it seriously impacting on the narrative, although it did mean that the distance from the Shire to Bree was considerably reduced. A far more serious omission, so far as I am concerned, was the Scouring of the Shire and the impact that had on the fate of Saruman, not to mention how the returning hobbits were perceived by their community. The BBC series did keep that in but then its running time was over double that of even the extended cut DVDs.
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Post by Iakus on Apr 27, 2022 13:12:47 GMT
Got to be honest, I'm normally a bit of a purist, but with Bombadil I'm happy he was left out. He always felt a bit out if place to me, like a weird self insert with all the op powers and hot wife. In general I think most deviations in the movie was for the better with the possible exception of the depiction of Farmir (although I totally get it and he's still one of my favorites). Years ago the BBC did a long running radio serialisation of LoTR (24 hour long episodes) and they left him out too. Perhaps he was a self insert or may be Tolkien was trying to make a sort of point about people who think what is going on outside their little world is none of their concern and then find it is; after all how would Tom react if the Frodo hadn't succeeded and the armies of Mordor surrounded him? Although, Tolkien always said he despised allegory and hated it when people tried to compared the LoTR to events that happened in the real world. So it is difficult to see exactly why he introduced Tom to the story but may be he just let his imagination run riot for that part and then thought better of it once he got the hobbits safely to Bree. Still, it did explain why the Black Riders didn't catch up with the hobbits between Buckland and Bree, which is odd when the ring is meant to draw them and the distance involved, which the film conveniently glossed over by having them almost do so. Tolkien said he felt the hobbits should have an adventure after leaving the Shire and before entering Bree. And based Bombadil on a toy his kids played with when they were younger. My only disappointment in not including him means no Barrow-Downs, no wights, and thus no Numenorean daggers for the hobbits. Yeah, Denethor was a much more tragic figure in the books. A generally decent man who safeguarded Gondor for decades, despite the tragedies in his life. Who got into a psychic wrestling match with Sauron while using a Palantir to spy on Mordor, and was so strong Sauron couldn't dominate him, so had to settle with breaking his mind.
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Post by gervaise21 on Apr 27, 2022 13:35:58 GMT
If you want to hear of a really crazy omission, check out the BBC's Big Jubilee Read, that is meant to celebrate great literary works from across the Commonwealth throughout the reign of Queen Elizabeth II and yet omits the Lord of the Rings, first published in 1954/55 at the beginning of her reign. What were they thinking! (Actually I've a good idea but won't upset these boards by expressing it)
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Apr 27, 2022 13:50:08 GMT
Yeah, I forgot to mention Denethor too. Again I understand the need from a movie perspective to have a "bad guy", but they did go a bit over the top with Denethor. Perhaps they were afraid he'd be perceived as too similar to Theoden? This is probably the only thing I'd really want changed more in line with the the books.
More in line with the general topic, I'd squee if they could get some of the cast from LotR to voice characters in DA. Would especially love Hill, McKellen, Blanchette, or Armitage.
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Post by Gilli on Apr 27, 2022 15:44:07 GMT
I also got Anders I know someone who was quite upset he wasn't in the movies. I was. I liked Tom. I watched the movie first, then I got the book and while reading I noticed that Tom hadn't been in the movie It took me years to watch the 2nd movie cause I was so annoyed about it
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Post by Hier0phant on Apr 27, 2022 17:13:15 GMT
Same. My sister was disappointed but i have to remind her how goofy he would have looked, and the clashing tones it would have created. I've a strange feeling that the Hobbit's depiction of Radagast was a weird merging of that character and Tom Bombadil in the mind of the writer. Certainly after that character assassination I wouldn't have wanted them to have attempted Tom in his own right. When I saw the sled pulled by bunnies, I imagined Tolkien would have been turning in his grave. Clearly they had never read his essay "On Fairy Stories". Jackson's Radagast looked like he came off the set of the Narnia film, and the liberties he took with the characters, the cheap looking 3d, and pacing issues from the story being extended past one film was a dead giveaway that the trilogy was an unapologetic cash grab. I had a few issues with the LoTR trilogy films but they were still enjoyable for me whereas i haven't watched the Hobbit films since their theatrical releases.
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Post by Rascoth on Apr 27, 2022 17:13:36 GMT
I got Anders, and now I'm questioning a lot of things about myself I got the Architect. I got Imshael and I'll neither confirm nor deny the accuracy of it
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Post by Hier0phant on Apr 27, 2022 17:21:41 GMT
You guys are lucky i got Solas
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2022 17:25:15 GMT
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Post by gervaise21 on Apr 27, 2022 18:59:44 GMT
I had a few issues with the LoTR trilogy films but they were still enjoyable for me whereas i haven't watched the Hobbit films since their theatrical releases. The movies always came out around the Christmas break in the U.K. so when LoTR came out it became a family occasion to go see the next one in the trilogy. So when the Hobbit came out it looked like we could do that again. We only got as far as the 2nd one and then decided not to bother the following year. Not exactly the Christmas treat it had once been. I did catch the last one on TV out of curiosity and profoundly regretted it. So glad we didn't waste money on it at the cinema. I'm not sure it was entirely the fault of Peter Jackson though. There was some other guy directing it who pulled out, so he had to step in a pick up the pieces and by then I think the damage had been done. The studio would never have let him can the whole thing even if he had wanted to. If it had been me though, I'd have walked away the moment I saw the script.
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Post by Sanunes on Apr 27, 2022 19:01:54 GMT
I had a few issues with the LoTR trilogy films but they were still enjoyable for me whereas i haven't watched the Hobbit films since their theatrical releases. The movies always came out around the Christmas break in the U.K. so when LoTR came out it became a family occasion to go see the next one in the trilogy. So when the Hobbit came out it looked like we could do that again. We only got as far as the 2nd one and then decided not to bother the following year. Not exactly the Christmas treat it had once been. I did catch the last one on TV out of curiosity and profoundly regretted it. So glad we didn't waste money on it at the cinema. I'm not sure it was entirely the fault of Peter Jackson though. There was some other guy directing it who pulled out, so he had to step in a pick up the pieces and by then I think the damage had been done. The studio would never have let him can the whole thing even if he had wanted to. If it had been me though, I'd have walked away the moment I saw the script. The problem with The Hobbit movies is it always felt stretched out to maximize profit instead of making a good movie. First it was only going to be one movie, then it was two and finally three. Filled with extra material that wasn't in the Hobbit book to pad out the running time.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Apr 27, 2022 19:56:51 GMT
Remember the Hobbit had a pretty troubled shooting, as I recall they had another director first before that one quit and Jackson had to come in to try to save it. While the effects are awful the actors were stellar, and in this regard I think they more or less kept pace with the originals.
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Post by gervaise21 on Apr 27, 2022 20:01:39 GMT
The problem with The Hobbit movies is it always felt stretched out to maximize profit instead of making a good movie. First it was only going to be one movie, then it was two and finally three. Filled with extra material that wasn't in the Hobbit book to pad out the running time. It is true it should never have been three movies, so there was loads of padding, but even the stuff that was from the book got mutilated and characters altered from how they were portrayed there. The stupid thing was, if they had just done one movie but stuck faithfully to the book it would have been great. Ah well, what's done is done. I think people tend to do their best to forget it, so Peter Jackson's legacy is still going to be the LoTR trilogy.
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