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Post by necrowaif on May 10, 2022 21:17:46 GMT
Maybe it was ALWAYS an illusion. Maybe the Golden City was ALWAYS a trap. You're asking questions about the foundations of this reality that we do not yet have the answers to. Now we're getting into Reaper territory here... Well, maybe once we get to the Black City, there'll be a ghostly child waiting for us to give a choice between three flavours of ice cream: strawberry, blue moon or pistachio.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on May 10, 2022 21:34:13 GMT
^ Nah...we'll just have Solas be there, in disguise and then he removes it and be all Solas: It is I, Solas! And there'll be an army of angry Solavallan fans to kick his butt
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Post by Hrungr on May 10, 2022 22:06:01 GMT
For those interested...EA released their Q4 FY22 Highlights and Financial Results today:ir.ea.com/home/default.aspxNo BioWare news, and only a brief mention of MELE making a notable contribution during the Investors' Call. Apparently, 71% of their revenue came from live services. And as expected, FIFA is being rebranded to EA Sports FC.
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Post by colfoley on May 10, 2022 22:07:48 GMT
^ Nah...we'll just have Solas be there, in disguise and then he removes it and be all Solas: It is I, Solas! And there'll be an army of angry Solavallan fans to kick his butt I suddenly wish DA4 to be an MMO that was Solas can be confronted by dozens of his former angry... fans.
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Post by Buckeldemon on May 10, 2022 22:28:56 GMT
Maybe it was ALWAYS an illusion. Maybe the Golden City was ALWAYS a trap. You're asking questions about the foundations of this reality that we do not yet have the answers to. Part if me doubts that we’ll get answers on it, since BioWare did say that they’re never going to answer whether the Maker exists or not. Having the Black City never being golden would pretty much be confirmation he isn’t. But then lately BioWare has been going against religion so wouldn’t be surprised if they do answer it. Bioware has been going against (most?) stuff which isn't Andrastianism, yes. So I suppose the western Christian-coded empire-building religion is pretty much safe.
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Post by necrowaif on May 10, 2022 22:34:29 GMT
So I suppose the western Christian-coded empire-building religion is pretty much safe. As opposed to the other religions in Thedas that gave rise to their own empires and supreme tyrants?
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Post by GalentheYounger on May 10, 2022 23:28:55 GMT
For those interested...EA released their Q4 FY22 Highlights and Financial Results today:ir.ea.com/home/default.aspxNo BioWare news, and only a brief mention of MELE making a notable contribution during the Investors' Call. Apparently, 71% of their revenue came from live services. And as expected, FIFA is being rebranded to EA Sports FC. Based on this, do we anticipate any marketing for the game at all this summer? Or are we waiting for the Game Awards to get anything of substance?
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Post by Buckeldemon on May 10, 2022 23:58:07 GMT
So I suppose the western Christian-coded empire-building religion is pretty much safe. As opposed to the other religions in Thedas that gave rise to their own empires and supreme tyrants? Uh-huh. Very funny. Sure, we know that it is bad if some uber-elves, militant islamic Borg dirty heathen Communists (Qun) or dragon-loving "magocracy" did it, but not in case of a bunch of faux-Catholics.
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Post by necrowaif on May 11, 2022 0:02:03 GMT
Technically the dwarves also had their own empire, it was just located underneath everyone else’s.
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Post by luketrevelyan on May 11, 2022 0:08:53 GMT
For those interested...EA released their Q4 FY22 Highlights and Financial Results today:ir.ea.com/home/default.aspxNo BioWare news, and only a brief mention of MELE making a notable contribution during the Investors' Call. Apparently, 71% of their revenue came from live services. And as expected, FIFA is being rebranded to EA Sports FC. Based on this, do we anticipate any marketing for the game at all this summer? Or are we waiting for the Game Awards to get anything of substance? There is no EA Play event so I'm not expecting much this summer. I think there is a pretty good chance at The Game Awards unless the game is pushed out further. But their marketing has been so weird for this game up to this point I don't really know what to expect.
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As opposed to the other religions in Thedas that gave rise to their own empires and supreme tyrants? Uh-huh. Very funny. Sure, we know that it is bad if some uber-elves, militant islamic Borg dirty heathen Communists (Qun) or dragon-loving "magocracy" did it, but not in case of a bunch of faux-Catholics. I think I stared upside down in a mirror on this post for a while to determine what the heck is going on. And I think few people out of universe regard the Chantry' empire building as a good thing, or people being Andrastian and building empires. Heck the only people in universe that regard it as a good thing are those who actively benefit from it. With several characters expressing interest in reform movements or downright revolutionary ones. As far as the Maker concerns ties into that. While the question may never be answered in regards to him we've already seen a lot of Chantry myth is either flat wrong or very questionable. Indeed in this regard the only religion which has yet to be touched is Koslun...and the Dwarves.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 11, 2022 0:10:31 GMT
Part if me doubts that we’ll get answers on it, since BioWare did say that they’re never going to answer whether the Maker exists or not. Having the Black City never being golden would pretty much be confirmation he isn’t. But then lately BioWare has been going against religion so wouldn’t be surprised if they do answer it. Bioware has been going against (most?) stuff which isn't Andrastianism, yes. So I suppose the western Christian-coded empire-building religion is pretty much safe. Eh, the past games have certainly muddied their presentation, and already they've debunked big parts of their faith such as Solas creating the Veil instead of the Maker. But I was talking more in general, since Mass Effect has been doing it too. Asari, Hanar, and Angara? Your gods are just aliens who experimented on/made you. Kett? Super religious race being the bad guys (and mirroring Christianity conversion of natives). The various faithful companions? Either have that dropped or have them experience crises of faith in a way that sounds a bit delusional. And so on.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 11, 2022 0:14:50 GMT
Uh-huh. Very funny. Sure, we know that it is bad if some uber-elves, militant islamic Borg dirty heathen Communists (Qun) or dragon-loving "magocracy" did it, but not in case of a bunch of faux-Catholics. I think I stared upside down in a mirror on this post for a while to determine what the heck is going on. And I think few people out of universe regard the Chantry' empire building as a good thing, or people being Andrastian and building empires. Heck the only people in universe that regard it as a good thing are those who actively benefit from it. With several characters expressing interest in reform movements or downright revolutionary ones. As far as the Maker concerns ties into that. While the question may never be answered in regards to him we've already seen a lot of Chantry myth is either flat wrong or very questionable. Indeed in this regard the only religion which has yet to be touched is Koslun...and the Dwarves. The underlined part confuses me? Are you saying few players see characters being Andrastian a good thing, and instead see them as bad for it?
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Post by colfoley on May 11, 2022 0:20:19 GMT
I think I stared upside down in a mirror on this post for a while to determine what the heck is going on. And I think few people out of universe regard the Chantry' empire building as a good thing, or people being Andrastian and building empires. Heck the only people in universe that regard it as a good thing are those who actively benefit from it. With several characters expressing interest in reform movements or downright revolutionary ones. As far as the Maker concerns ties into that. While the question may never be answered in regards to him we've already seen a lot of Chantry myth is either flat wrong or very questionable. Indeed in this regard the only religion which has yet to be touched is Koslun...and the Dwarves. The underlined part confuses me? Are you saying few players see characters being Andrastian a good thing, and instead see them as bad for it? oh. Sorry. Well no that is not what I was trying to say but there is certainly a very anti Andrastian segment of the player base. But I was trying to convey that I do not think that most players look at the Andrastian inspired Empires and the Empires who have spread in the name of Andrasrastae as being a good thing. Indeed such empires are often as ridiculed in and out of universe as the Qun or old Imperium.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 11, 2022 0:26:16 GMT
The underlined part confuses me? Are you saying few players see characters being Andrastian a good thing, and instead see them as bad for it? oh. Sorry. Well no that is not what I was trying to say but there is certainly a very anti Andrastian segment of the player base. But I was trying to convey that I do not think that most players look at the Andrastian inspired Empires and the Empires who have spread in the name of Andrasrastae as being a good thing. Indeed such empires are often as ridiculed in and out of universe as the Qun or old Imperium. Ah, okay. I was going to say "Umm, some of the most popular characters are Adrestian and not seen as bad." like Cullen, Alistair, Josephine, etc. None of them mention reforms of the faith, yet don't benefit from supporting it. But you meaning the empire building using faith as an excuse then yeah. I mean some do blame the Dales for the war between them and Orlais since they attacked and invaded first, but even people who think that think Orlais retaliated far too extremely.
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Post by colfoley on May 11, 2022 0:37:50 GMT
oh. Sorry. Well no that is not what I was trying to say but there is certainly a very anti Andrastian segment of the player base. But I was trying to convey that I do not think that most players look at the Andrastian inspired Empires and the Empires who have spread in the name of Andrasrastae as being a good thing. Indeed such empires are often as ridiculed in and out of universe as the Qun or old Imperium. Ah, okay. I was going to say "Umm, some of the most popular characters are Adrestian and not seen as bad." like Cullen, Alistair, Josephine, etc. None of them mention reforms of the faith, yet don't benefit from supporting it. But you meaning the empire building using faith as an excuse then yeah. I mean some do blame the Dales for the war between them and Orlais since they attacked and invaded first, but even people who think that think Orlais retaliated far too extremely. I tend to fall into that category. While the Dalish have been pretty consistently portrayed as being that type of society that doesn't excuse what Orlais did to them or the centuries of abuse later.
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Post by Buckeldemon on May 11, 2022 2:36:22 GMT
Uh-huh. Very funny. Sure, we know that it is bad if some uber-elves, militant islamic Borg dirty heathen Communists (Qun) or dragon-loving "magocracy" did it, but not in case of a bunch of faux-Catholics. I think I stared upside down in a mirror on this post for a while to determine what the heck is going on. And I think few people out of universe regard the Chantry' empire building as a good thing, or people being Andrastian and building empires. Heck the only people in universe that regard it as a good thing are those who actively benefit from it. With several characters expressing interest in reform movements or downright revolutionary ones. As far as the Maker concerns ties into that. While the question may never be answered in regards to him we've already seen a lot of Chantry myth is either flat wrong or very questionable. Indeed in this regard the only religion which has yet to be touched is Koslun...and the Dwarves. Happens to me with other's posts as well, don't worry. Or those not benefitting just see it as how it has always been.
Some would argue that the Qun isn't a religion, but a social or moral philosophy. I'm not getting into that debate, but they aren't having any belief in any supernatural entity as far as I recall. And as for the dorfs, it is something else entirely.
Bioware has been going against (most?) stuff which isn't Andrastianism, yes. So I suppose the western Christian-coded empire-building religion is pretty much safe. Eh, the past games have certainly muddied their presentation, and already they've debunked big parts of their faith such as Solas creating the Veil instead of the Maker. But I was talking more in general, since Mass Effect has been doing it too. Asari, Hanar, and Angara? Your gods are just aliens who experimented on/made you. Kett? Super religious race being the bad guys (and mirroring Christianity conversion of natives). The various faithful companions? Either have that dropped or have them experience crises of faith in a way that sounds a bit delusional. And so on. Well, one might then say that at least the conversion-isers aren't the good guys in MEA. As for DA, there's faaar more apologia (including retcons and idiot balls) for what is essentially cultural genocide.
... and of course the entire Dalish beliefs being just a bunch of megalomanical mages, but eh. I haven't seen an awful lot of people complaining about that.
oh. Sorry. Well no that is not what I was trying to say but there is certainly a very anti Andrastian segment of the player base. But I was trying to convey that I do not think that most players look at the Andrastian inspired Empires and the Empires who have spread in the name of Andrasrastae as being a good thing. Indeed such empires are often as ridiculed in and out of universe as the Qun or old Imperium. 1) Ah, okay. I was going to say "Umm, some of the most popular characters are Adrestian and not seen as bad." like Cullen, Alistair, Josephine, etc. None of them mention reforms of the faith, yet don't benefit from supporting it. 2) But you meaning the empire building using faith as an excuse then yeah. I mean some do blame the Dales for the war between them and Orlais since they attacked and invaded first, but even people who think that think Orlais retaliated far too extremely. 1) All of the named are what I like to call mainstream andrastians, for the lack of better words. Honestly, I have no idea if it is faith or just religion these three learned to be a part of since childhood and just ran with it. As opposed to Leliana, who is the only andrastian where it is obvious to me that it is personal faith and not just mere religiousness and going along in how things are always done.
2) Well, you certainly did so in another exchange we had besides playing gotcha, and I encountered what appread to be a fuckton of people more which do the same thing. All the while handwaving away or outright ignoring that Orlais and Drakon's new Chantry fundamentally don't accept or even seem to understand why someone might not be inclined to want to buy their stuff. At least an andrastian with a bit of a brain could've guessed that after several centuries under the boots of Tevinter, the Dales wanted to be left alone for a while, no?
Ah, okay. I was going to say "Umm, some of the most popular characters are Adrestian and not seen as bad." like Cullen, Alistair, Josephine, etc. None of them mention reforms of the faith, yet don't benefit from supporting it. But you meaning the empire building using faith as an excuse then yeah. I mean some do blame the Dales for the war between them and Orlais since they attacked and invaded first, but even people who think that think Orlais retaliated far too extremely. I tend to fall into that category. While the Dalish have been pretty consistently portrayed as being that type of society that doesn't excuse what Orlais did to them or the centuries of abuse later. What "type" of society? Did I get the grammer wrong, as I read it with a mental comma after the bolded part.
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Post by colfoley on May 11, 2022 2:51:48 GMT
I think I stared upside down in a mirror on this post for a while to determine what the heck is going on. And I think few people out of universe regard the Chantry' empire building as a good thing, or people being Andrastian and building empires. Heck the only people in universe that regard it as a good thing are those who actively benefit from it. With several characters expressing interest in reform movements or downright revolutionary ones. As far as the Maker concerns ties into that. While the question may never be answered in regards to him we've already seen a lot of Chantry myth is either flat wrong or very questionable. Indeed in this regard the only religion which has yet to be touched is Koslun...and the Dwarves. Happens to me with other's posts as well, don't worry. Or those not benefitting just see it as how it has always been.
Some would argue that the Qun isn't a religion, but a social or moral philosophy. I'm not getting into that debate, but they aren't having any belief in any supernatural entity as far as I recall. And as for the dorfs, it is something else entirely.
Eh, the past games have certainly muddied their presentation, and already they've debunked big parts of their faith such as Solas creating the Veil instead of the Maker. But I was talking more in general, since Mass Effect has been doing it too. Asari, Hanar, and Angara? Your gods are just aliens who experimented on/made you. Kett? Super religious race being the bad guys (and mirroring Christianity conversion of natives). The various faithful companions? Either have that dropped or have them experience crises of faith in a way that sounds a bit delusional. And so on. Well, one might then say that at least the conversion-isers aren't the good guys in MEA. As for DA, there's faaar more apologia (including retcons and idiot balls) for what is essentially cultural genocide.
... and of course the entire Dalish beliefs being just a bunch of megalomanical mages, but eh. I haven't seen an awful lot of people complaining about that.
1) Ah, okay. I was going to say "Umm, some of the most popular characters are Adrestian and not seen as bad." like Cullen, Alistair, Josephine, etc. None of them mention reforms of the faith, yet don't benefit from supporting it. 2) But you meaning the empire building using faith as an excuse then yeah. I mean some do blame the Dales for the war between them and Orlais since they attacked and invaded first, but even people who think that think Orlais retaliated far too extremely. 1) All of the named are what I like to call mainstream andrastians, for the lack of better words. Honestly, I have no idea if it is faith or just religion these three learned to be a part of since childhood and just ran with it. As opposed to Leliana, who is the only andrastian where it is obvious to me that it is personal faith and not just mere religiousness and going along in how things are always done.
2) Well, you certainly did so in another exchange we had besides playing gotcha, and I encountered what appread to be a fuckton of people more which do the same thing. All the while handwaving away or outright ignoring that Orlais and Drakon's new Chantry fundamentally don't accept or even seem to understand why someone might not be inclined to want to buy their stuff. At least an andrastian with a bit of a brain could've guessed that after several centuries under the boots of Tevinter, the Dales wanted to be left alone for a while, no?
I tend to fall into that category. While the Dalish have been pretty consistently portrayed as being that type of society that doesn't excuse what Orlais did to them or the centuries of abuse later. What "type" of society? Did I get the grammer wrong, as I read it with a mental comma after the bolded part.
This might be just me but I tend to look at religion with a much broader brush then that...as in any metaphysical or moral philosophy that wonders about larger moral or philosophical questions about the grander nature of life. The Qun certainly qualifies. I didn't want to wax too eloquent on the flaws of the Dalish here but in general the 'stuck in the glories of the past society which is very reclusive and annoying at outsiders and far too interested in trying to recapture their glory rather then dealing with their present or trying to plan for the future'.
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Post by Sanunes on May 11, 2022 3:17:56 GMT
For those interested...EA released their Q4 FY22 Highlights and Financial Results today:ir.ea.com/home/default.aspxNo BioWare news, and only a brief mention of MELE making a notable contribution during the Investors' Call. Apparently, 71% of their revenue came from live services. And as expected, FIFA is being rebranded to EA Sports FC. Based on this, do we anticipate any marketing for the game at all this summer? Or are we waiting for the Game Awards to get anything of substance? I wasn't expecting any real marketing this summer based on the projected release date. I wouldn't expect anything until the last PR event before the release of the game which in this case is probably the Game Awards unless the bump the game into later 2023.
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Post by Buckeldemon on May 11, 2022 3:55:32 GMT
This might be just me but I tend to look at religion with a much broader brush then that...as in any metaphysical or moral philosophy that wonders about larger moral or philosophical questions about the grander nature of life. The Qun certainly qualifies. I didn't want to wax too eloquent on the flaws of the Dalish here but in general the 'stuck in the glories of the past society which is very reclusive and annoying at outsiders and far too interested in trying to recapture their glory rather then dealing with their present or trying to plan for the future'.
I haven't seen a lot of people who were truly... eloquent on this issue, or making sense to me. I'd just say that the Dalish are reclusive and annoying because andrastians want to culturally genocide them; or it might happen literally, since the writers came up with elf-bloodness. Can't see how that's problematic. Dealing with the future depends on what one means by that. Most major factions in universe dwell on their past, either on some sort of glory or sins someone allegedly commited in the past (the latter's the case for orlesian Andrastianism as well as Tevinter's, with some caveats). The only ones which are really forward-looking are the Qunari. Last but not least because their stated goal doesn't rely on higher/outside influence (once there are no "bas" anymore, they win).
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on May 11, 2022 9:28:51 GMT
^ Nah...we'll just have Solas be there, in disguise and then he removes it and be all Solas: It is I, Solas! And there'll be an army of angry Solavallan fans to kick his butt Don’t you mean… Salos! Now we're getting into Reaper territory here... Well, maybe once we get to the Black City, there'll be a ghostly child waiting for us to give a choice between three flavours of ice cream: strawberry, blue moon or pistachio. OGB Kieran offering us RGB options. how do you like the WAR changes? (I loove that Overpower isn't a cone anymore) I've been leveling GNB and SCH for the role quests. spoiler tags for ff14 nerdery: I like it well enough. I wasn’t sure how I’d feel about it when it was announced, but I’ve gotten used to it. It’s basically just become Ultimatum now (old GLA skill if you didn’t know), but with damage. And that’s fine. I never had any trouble grabbing aggro when it was a cone, but I don’t mind having a larger aoe. Makes all the times npcs still use the old animation on me a bit weird tho. lol
Over the years, I’ve been much more put out over losing bloodbath to the dps(/shakes fist) or my Answers trailer circle swing animation for my stun just getting deleted, than I am about overpower changing to a circle aoe. lol
SCH is my healer. I love the class quests. Also love GNB. DNC is the physical ranged dps I have maxed at the moment and it is also pretty fun. Feels squishy to me sometimes, but I can’t tell if that’s just cus I’m used to tank health pools or I’m not playing it well or if it’s *actually* squishy. lol
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Post by catcher on May 11, 2022 14:08:17 GMT
how do you like the WAR changes? (I loove that Overpower isn't a cone anymore) I've been leveling GNB and SCH for the role quests. "WAR...WAR never changes." (Apologies to Gilli, AE, FFXIV Players, and Old School Gamers, but this joke had to be made. )
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on May 11, 2022 15:31:10 GMT
Looks like if you live in Germany you can pre-order DA4 at a local Gamestop store! This is completely meaningless, and yet I still kinda want to go to Germany and pre-order. (I think I remember enough of my high school German to make it through the conversation!)
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