I like it well enough. I wasn’t sure how I’d feel about it when it was announced, but I’ve gotten used to it. It’s basically just become Ultimatum now (old GLA skill if you didn’t know), but with damage. And that’s fine. I never had any trouble grabbing aggro when it was a cone, but I don’t mind having a larger aoe. Makes all the times npcs still use the old animation on me a bit weird tho. lol
Over the years, I’ve been much more put out over losing bloodbath to the dps(/shakes fist) or my Answers trailer circle swing animation for my stun just getting deleted, than I am about overpower changing to a circle aoe. lol
SCH is my healer. I love the class quests. Also love GNB. DNC is the physical ranged dps I have maxed at the moment and it is also pretty fun. Feels squishy to me sometimes, but I can’t tell if that’s just cus I’m used to tank health pools or I’m not playing it well or if it’s *actually* squishy. lol
That's fair I didn't like playing WAR, cause enemies would just run by me, straight to the healer, (which does not help my tankanxiety...) but now for me it feels better. I looove Scholar it's my main healer. I'm currently leveling my tanks (well, PAL, WAR and DRK), cause I really want to get rid of my Lvl 60 Shire gear <///< *points down* As you can see, I've neglected them a bit
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DNC is very mobile, I like it. Not sure if I would call it squishy, but for many DPS jobs it's basically "Don't Stand In Bad" and you're good Also Shield Samba is your friend
(I die a lot, but I also play on a NA server while living in Switzerland, so I got lag )
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I like it well enough. I wasn’t sure how I’d feel about it when it was announced, but I’ve gotten used to it. It’s basically just become Ultimatum now (old GLA skill if you didn’t know), but with damage. And that’s fine. I never had any trouble grabbing aggro when it was a cone, but I don’t mind having a larger aoe. Makes all the times npcs still use the old animation on me a bit weird tho. lol
Over the years, I’ve been much more put out over losing bloodbath to the dps(/shakes fist) or my Answers trailer circle swing animation for my stun just getting deleted, than I am about overpower changing to a circle aoe. lol
SCH is my healer. I love the class quests. Also love GNB. DNC is the physical ranged dps I have maxed at the moment and it is also pretty fun. Feels squishy to me sometimes, but I can’t tell if that’s just cus I’m used to tank health pools or I’m not playing it well or if it’s *actually* squishy. lol
That's fair I didn't like playing WAR, cause enemies would just run by me, straight to the healer, (which does not help my tankanxiety...) but now for me it feels better. I looove Scholar it's my main healer. I'm currently leveling my tanks (well, PAL, WAR and DRK), cause I really want to get rid of my Lvl 60 Shire gear <///< *points down* As you can see, I've neglected them a bit
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DNC is very mobile, I like it. Not sure if I would call it squishy, but for many DPS jobs it's basically "Don't Stand In Bad" and you're good Also Shield Samba is your friend
(I die a lot, but I also play on a NA server while living in Switzerland, so I got lag )
Dancer is my favorite ranged physical DPS, it's incredibly mobile and fun and flashy, much more so than BRD and MCH. I think it is a bit squishy because, since it's ranged, you're supposed to stay far away from the bad. Unfortunately, most of your AOEs are centered on you, so in trash mobs you have no choice but to risk standing in the bad. Good thing they buffed the potency of pretty much every weaponskill and ability.
I also have a bit of tank anxiety. The only tank I had was DRK that I unlocked after The Vault because of course I did, and only unlocked GLA/PLD well after finishing Endwallker. Felt a bit left out of the PLD crowd, what with all the Fortemps bros and Aymeric being Paladins.
Healing ain't for me. I waited until Endwalker to pick up SGE so I could do the healer role quest from Shadowbringers. I'll get the other ones and level them after they finish adding the Duty Support system to Heavensward and Stormblood.
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How many characters will Bio devs throw at us in DA4?
If I remember correctly:
In DA:O = 8+dog
In DA2 = 10 I think. More with DLCs?
In DA:I = 13 with the cameos?
What drives the no. of chars to be included in the game? Romance is one. But I am of the opinion that all NPCs that can be recruited for mission quests are eligible.
Anyone?
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In DAO, there was Alistair, Morrigan, Dog, Leliana, Sten, Wynne, Zevran and Oghren, plus Shale (DLC) and Loghain. That’s 10 if you count the last two, not to mention the temporary characters.
In DA2, there was Varric, Isabela, Merrill, Anders, Fenris, Aveline and Sebastian (DLC). Plus the siblings, though they were only around for a portion of the game, so I’d say they count as one. That’s eight.
In DAI, there is Cassandra, Blackwall, Iron Bull, Vivienne, Solas, Dorian, Varric, Sera and Cole. That’s nine.
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Since Dog isn't really much of a companion I'm going to go with 8-9 as their standard, which is a very good number compared to ME. I also liked that DAI had an even distribution between classes, allowed for more variety in party compositions. Even though I myself got the "best" deal (if you can call it that when you ended up romancing Solas) I do hope the romance options are a bit more evened out this time around. And please, maybe less potentially tragic ones for the ladies? I love some drama, but of the four possible we had 1) potential world altering mass killing one 2) family murdering one 3) potentially stabbing you in the back and spitting on your relationship one and 4) a drug addict. I don't think straight ladies have had a somewhat drama-free romance since DAO (with emphasis on "somewhat").
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BioWare did say that they’re never going to answer whether the Maker exists or not. Having the Black City never being golden would pretty much be confirmation he isn’t.
Not necessarily. It all depends on whether you consider the Chantry/Andrastrian version of creation is bona fide and the being that Andraste spoke with was really THE MAKER, in other words the First Cause creator of the universe. If you accept that the Chantry version could be false but that doesn't disprove an actual First Cause, then they have both discredited the dominant religion but not said categorically if there is a Maker or not.
Plus there has been a fair bit of evidence to suggest that a lot of what is in the Chant didn't actually come from Andraste but the Chantry appropriating and adapting other earlier race legends into their own canon. What was included and the interpretation put upon it was also largely down to the First Divine, Drakon and subsequent Divines. Take the whole business of how mages are viewed in society in the south, when we know that Andraste was probably a mage herself, likely the Augur of her tribe of Alamarri. To my mind, what Andraste was saying in her teaching "Magic was made to serve man, never to rule over him. Foul and corrupt are those who have taken his gift and used it against his children," is that magic is a gift that should not be misused but is intended to benefit the children of the Maker. It is hard to use it for society's benefit when you a locked up in a Circle. However, over time the Chantry interpreted it somewhat differently that Andraste thought mages should be kept under Templar supervision. Of course, Andraste's words were specifically directed at her enemies, the Tevinter mages, who did misuse their power and used their magic to maintain their dominance over others.
We also do not know whether parts of Andraste's teaching were deliberately left out for political reasons. Possibly she did mention more about the elves but the Chantry chose to suppress it. The Canticle of Shartan seems to suggest she saw Shartan not as a disciple but an equal. Of course this is from the Dalish perspective. However, I suspect Drakon was trying to get the Dalish on side when his Divine chose to include it, needing to go specifically to the Dalish for their oral tradition about Shartan, so didn't dare miss that part out. Andraste was also said to have given him her mother's sword from her own scabbard, which in the Canticle already has the name Glandivalis, which is an elven name. Later Chantry lore changes this to Shartan naming the sword. So it is quite possible that whatever the Maker revealed to Andraste did include some sense of the world of the elves before the arrival of humans. Thus all the revelations we have had in DAI and Trespasser don't contradict Andraste or the Maker but do disprove the Chantry's version. This might equally prove to be the case going forward.
That was my feeling as well. Perhaps an illusion of what it looked like before it was blighted, but used as a way to lure the magisters into the Black City.
Then when did the illusion go up? There had been human and elven mages visiting the Fade for thousands of years. There were no records of it being blackened before.
Just remember that every religion: Dalish, Andrastrian, Avvar and Old God thought it was the home of their god(s). This suggests it looked appropriately golden to whoever viewed but, since the Fade reflects the dreams and thoughts of those in the Waking World, this would account for its appearance, because they expected it to be that way. So in some ways it was an illusion of the Fade. Then Corypheus and Co broke in and destroyed the illusion, so thereafter it appeared as it truly was within, corrupt and black. Cory also confirmed that it was currently unoccupied. Did he find an actual empty throne or was he speaking metaphorically when he said "I have seen the throne of the gods and it was empty."
Only one religion, that of the Chantry, ever thought it was the home of just one god. However, they do believe it has 7 gates. Curious that the Maker would need so many entrances but not the Old Gods or Evanuris (since their original number was 7, with Ghilan'nain added later and Fen'Harel not counted really as one of the Creators). I believe the number of major gods in the Avvar pantheon is also 7.
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I know it's said that Arlathan was sunk into the ground, but I sometimes wonder if the creation of the Veil just didn't simply ended up putting it in the Fade - perhaps the Elven gods were conducting experiments with the Blight that Solas found dangerous, and to save the world he sealed the whole city away. Now that the Blight got out anyway (maybe through the manipulation of the Elven gods hoping to escape?) he feels that he might as well YOLO it and just remove the Veil and deal with it in another fashion (perhaps this was even something he pondered in his slumber?).
The "flash" that threw out the magisters would have been Solas intruder alert basically, but like everything he does he didn't fully consider the possible consequences.
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But you meaning the empire building using faith as an excuse then yeah. I mean some do blame the Dales for the war between them and Orlais since they attacked and invaded first, but even people who think that think Orlais retaliated far too extremely.
The problem is the writers went from portraying it as both sides possibly to blame to pushing the narrative that it was wholly the Dalish. The events of Red Crossing and beyond came after more than a century of problems and in particular the rise of Orlais as an Empire to rival Tevinter, which the leadership of the Dales had always seen as a threat. (See below)
I tend to fall into that category. While the Dalish have been pretty consistently portrayed as being that type of society that doesn't excuse what Orlais did to them or the centuries of abuse later.
They also failed to distinguish between the ordinary elves and their leadership. The big issue that has not been addressed is that the Dales were the gift of Andraste, bestowed after her death and that of Shartan, to his elven followers to give them a safe haven. Having conquered Halamshiral and either killed or sent the leadership into exile, including the priesthood of the elven religion, Orlais then rounded up all the elves, whether combatants or not, and herded them into alienages not just locally but across Thedas. Why didn't they just put in their own local rulers but leave the ordinary elves free to live their lives in the Dales? That was clearly an illegal land grab on their part.
Also, the reason the Dalish rulers in Drakon's time did not approve of Orlais was that they thought it no better than Tevinter. Considering what Drakon did to his co-religionists who did not conform to his "simplified" version of the religion and the tribes who did not wish to submit to his rule, I can't fault the Dalish for not wanting to have anything to do with him. Trouble is they didn't act sooner when he attacked their former allies but presumably just regarded it as a human thing and not any of their business. A century later they found to their cost that just ignoring the problem of an empire on their doorstep and what it does to other humans, doesn't make it go away. They did seem to recognise that the source of the problem was the leadership of Orlais and the religion in particular that had its base there; hence them attacking and almost succeeding in taking Val Royeaux.
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I know it's said that Arlathan was sunk into the ground, but I sometimes wonder if the creation of the Veil just didn't simply ended up putting it in the Fade - perhaps the Elven gods were conducting experiments with the Blight that Solas found dangerous, and to save the world he sealed the whole city away.
There is clearly going to be more to it than we currently know. However, I am still curious why Maryden sang "Arlathan fell so deep beneath the ocean..." when we had always understood it sank beneath the earth. The fact it fell suggests that the Veil may have broken it in two, leaving one part in the Fade and the other to fall beneath the waves. The city that sank beneath the ground was just the bit of Arlathan (possibly a suburb or satellite of the whole connected to the main city by eluvians) that the ancestors of the Dalish were familiar with before being enslaved by Tevinter. I don't think it was ever the actual Arlathan, which was always the home of the Evanuris and their chosen and thus some part of it is found in the Fade, as they remember in their lore, since they have always seen the Eternal City in the Fade as the home of the gods.
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gervaise21 Wouldn't surprise me too much if there's some truth to that, it would kinda mimic the story of Atlantis (how it was the "corruption" of the people themselves that caused their undoing) and there seems to be some voice line from Cole where he says:
"They still remember when they were higher, before it woke up and everything fell."
Question is... what it this "it" - a Titan maybe?
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BioWare did say that they’re never going to answer whether the Maker exists or not. Having the Black City never being golden would pretty much be confirmation he isn’t.
Not necessarily. It all depends on whether you consider the Chantry/Andrastrian version of creation is bona fide and the being that Andraste spoke with was really THE MAKER, in other words the First Cause creator of the universe. If you accept that the Chantry version could be false but that doesn't disprove an actual First Cause, then they have both discredited the dominant religion but not said categorically if there is a Maker or not.
Plus there has been a fair bit of evidence to suggest that a lot of what is in the Chant didn't actually come from Andraste but the Chantry appropriating and adapting other earlier race legends into their own canon. What was included and the interpretation put upon it was also largely down to the First Divine, Drakon and subsequent Divines. Take the whole business of how mages are viewed in society in the south, when we know that Andraste was probably a mage herself, likely the Augur of her tribe of Alamarri. To my mind, what Andraste was saying in her teaching "Magic was made to serve man, never to rule over him. Foul and corrupt are those who have taken his gift and used it against his children," is that magic is a gift that should not be misused but is intended to benefit the children of the Maker. It is hard to use it for society's benefit when you a locked up in a Circle. However, over time the Chantry interpreted it somewhat differently that Andraste thought mages should be kept under Templar supervision. Of course, Andraste's words were specifically directed at her enemies, the Tevinter mages, who did misuse their power and used their magic to maintain their dominance over others.
We also do not know whether parts of Andraste's teaching were deliberately left out for political reasons. Possibly she did mention more about the elves but the Chantry chose to suppress it. The Canticle of Shartan seems to suggest she saw Shartan not as a disciple but an equal. Of course this is from the Dalish perspective. However, I suspect Drakon was trying to get the Dalish on side when his Divine chose to include it, needing to go specifically to the Dalish for their oral tradition about Shartan, so didn't dare miss that part out. Andraste was also said to have given him her mother's sword from her own scabbard, which in the Canticle already has the name Glandivalis, which is an elven name. Later Chantry lore changes this to Shartan naming the sword. So it is quite possible that whatever the Maker revealed to Andraste did include some sense of the world of the elves before the arrival of humans. Thus all the revelations we have had in DAI and Trespasser don't contradict Andraste or the Maker but do disprove the Chantry's version. This might equally prove to be the case going forward.
I doubt Bioware will make that nuance to be honest, other than a "Well if you want to still think that, that's fine we guess." kind of thing.
But you meaning the empire building using faith as an excuse then yeah. I mean some do blame the Dales for the war between them and Orlais since they attacked and invaded first, but even people who think that think Orlais retaliated far too extremely.
The problem is the writers went from portraying it as both sides possibly to blame to pushing the narrative that it was wholly the Dalish. The events of Red Crossing and beyond came after more than a century of problems and in particular the rise of Orlais as an Empire to rival Tevinter, which the leadership of the Dales had always seen as a threat. (See below)
Eh, I disagree with this. The first game very much made the Dales seen like pure victims while Orlais was pure villain. DAI basically just showed that the Dales sucked too, ironically being very similar to Tevinter and Orlais (nobility seeing themselves as better than their subjects, especially magical lines since ancestors, they are the only true religion and others aren't allowed, etc).
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The problem is the writers went from portraying it as both sides possibly to blame to pushing the narrative that it was wholly the Dalish. The events of Red Crossing and beyond came after more than a century of problems and in particular the rise of Orlais as an Empire to rival Tevinter, which the leadership of the Dales had always seen as a threat. (See below)
Eh, I disagree with this. The first game very much made the Dales seen like pure victims while Orlais was pure villain. DAI basically just showed that the Dales sucked too, ironically being very similar to Tevinter and Orlais (nobility seeing themselves as better than their subjects, especially magical lines since ancestors, they are the only true religion and others aren't allowed, etc).
Eh, my takeaway from most arguments about this (with you incluced, again, as mentoned above) is a completely one-sided focus on "Dalish invasion" after Red Crossing.
There's no clear-cut Dalish teaching saying this to my knowledge, while the conversion mandate is a central aspect of (Drakon-ite) Andrastianismand its promise of "convert everyone, so Maker might return and make paradise". Certain conversion-oriented assimilationist blob beliefs are very good at playing victim or sea-lioning while totally missing that their culturally genocidial M.O. might just throw a few people off.
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That was my feeling as well. Perhaps an illusion of what it looked like before it was blighted, but used as a way to lure the magisters into the Black City.
Then when did the illusion go up? There had been human and elven mages visiting the Fade for thousands of years. There were no records of it being blackened before.
Just remember that every religion: Dalish, Andrastrian, Avvar and Old God thought it was the home of their god(s). This suggests it looked appropriately golden to whoever viewed but, since the Fade reflects the dreams and thoughts of those in the Waking World, this would account for its appearance, because they expected it to be that way. So in some ways it was an illusion of the Fade. Then Corypheus and Co broke in and destroyed the illusion, so thereafter it appeared as it truly was within, corrupt and black. Cory also confirmed that it was currently unoccupied. Did he find an actual empty throne or was he speaking metaphorically when he said "I have seen the throne of the gods and it was empty."
Only one religion, that of the Chantry, ever thought it was the home of just one god. However, they do believe it has 7 gates. Curious that the Maker would need so many entrances but not the Old Gods or Evanuris (since their original number was 7, with Ghilan'nain added later and Fen'Harel not counted really as one of the Creators). I believe the number of major gods in the Avvar pantheon is also 7.
If it had just appeared Blackened to people in Minrathous who knew what was going on, maybe. But the city appeared Blackened all at once, to everyone who can see it. Even those who didn't know what he magisters were up to.
this also leaving aside that the city appears the same to everyone, regardless of cultural or religious background.
This tells me that he city was in fact 'Golden" at some point, and that something or someone Blackened it at some point. the City is the one solid, permanent fixture in the Fade.
Who or what did it is a mystery, whether the magisters did ti themselves, or simply found it that way, or simply witnessed what happened.
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Eh, I disagree with this. The first game very much made the Dales seen like pure victims while Orlais was pure villain. DAI basically just showed that the Dales sucked too, ironically being very similar to Tevinter and Orlais (nobility seeing themselves as better than their subjects, especially magical lines since ancestors, they are the only true religion and others aren't allowed, etc).
Eh, my takeaway from most arguments about this (with you incluced, again, as mentoned above) is a completely one-sided focus on "Dalish invasion" after Red Crossing.
There's no clear-cut Dalish teaching saying this to my knowledge, while the conversion mandate is a central aspect of (Drakon-ite) Andrastianismand its promise of "convert everyone, so Maker might return and make paradise". Certain conversion-oriented assimilationist blob beliefs are very good at playing victim or sea-lioning while totally missing that their culturally genocidial M.O. might just throw a few people off.
They were kicking out Chantry priests long before Red Crossing. And any elf who doesn’t believe what they do aren’t seen as true elves.
DAI basically just showed that the Dales sucked too, ironically being very similar to Tevinter and Orlais (nobility seeing themselves as better than their subjects, especially magical lines since ancestors, they are the only true religion and others aren't allowed, etc).
No, the story in DAI related to the Emerald Knights. Now they were seen as the nobility of the Dales, having earned that title in much the same way as the nobility of Ferelden were said to do originally. You are not simply noble by divine right (as Orlais believes) but because you fulfill your duty to defend the freeholders. If you fail to do this, they can give their patronage and taxes to someone else who will. The writers seem to have forgotten this by DAI, because we occupied Crestwood Keep by this ancient rite of the kingdom through defending the freeholders. Nevertheless, it would seem that the first elven occupants of the Dales adopted a similar view of nobility, perhaps copied from their human neighbours from what is now Ferelden. So the Emerald Knights were seen as nobles because they defended the rest of the elves from harm. This also gave them a certain right of autonomy to decide things politically. The priesthood of the Creators were not the political leaders but the Keepers of the Lore; hence how they acquired their title. When the Dales were conquered it was the priesthood who fled with the families of the Emerald Knights, who had probably been left in their safe keeping when their elders went to war.
The Keepers promoted the religion of the Creators because it was distinctly different from that of any of their humans neighbours. Whilst the writers showed Ameridan as someone who was able to worship in both camps, it didn't seem to chime with what we know of the Chantry religion either. Despite what Cassandra tries to push with a Dalish Inquisitor, it is not possible to believe in your own gods and the Maker. It quite specifically states that in the Chant. The reason the Keepers, and the Emerald Knights for that matter, were so sensitive about attacks on their religion is that Tevinter had forbidden their religion when they were slaves and only allowed worship of the Old Gods who had helped enslave them. It might be ironic and rather sad to think that the gods they worship also did that to their ancestors but they don't know that. It is not just about revering the past but restoring and maintaining their customs and traditions in the present. In DAO it was also about having something to pass on to the city elves when they finally had a homeland again that they could share with them. (Something that PW was either unaware of or chose to ignore when he has the Keeper in Masked Empire claim that the city elves are lost to them having been polluted beyond recovery).
As for those having magic being favoured among the surviving Dalish (also now apparently contradicted by the 3 mage rule), it was because the Keepers of the Lore said that all their ancestors were magically gifted (which we now know to be true), so every mage could be regarded as closer to what elves once were and thus they should be celebrated and protected. It was not about what is the true religion but about recovering their true selves. Ironically, whilst Solas despises the Dalish for revering the Creators and rejecting his "wisdom", he does seem to share their desire to restore the elves to their original state.
EDIT: I've just realised that the history of the Dales does have a sense of history repeating itself when you consider what happened in ancient times. The Evanuris became the leaders of the elves because they initially protected them from their external enemies but their pride led to them becoming tyrants and this eventually led to the elves enslavement; in the Dales the Emerald Knights initially protected the ordinary elves from their enemies but their pride led them to attack their human neighbours and this led to the effective enslavement of the ordinary elves in the alienages.
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