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Post by colfoley on Jul 1, 2022 6:09:21 GMT
David Gaider @davidgaiderAs usual, EA jumps on a trend, misses the point, punches itself in the face. It gave me a chuckle when I got the context, people just really need to put the pitch forks away.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 1, 2022 7:15:45 GMT
JC this is hillarious how seriously everyone is taking this. People on Twitter need to be outraged at everything. It's like a drug.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 1, 2022 7:17:10 GMT
I mean seriously it's not that big of a deal but because It's EA, it's the most evil thing ever I guess. Single player never left, It's just stupid Youtuber fearmongering but everyone gotta be outraged over something.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 1, 2022 7:25:48 GMT
Seriously even people on here are crying over this tweet. Seesssh..... DAD is going to be single player. Don't worry those filthy multiplayer people won't come out and get you.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 1, 2022 7:31:41 GMT
I mean seriously it's not that big of a deal but because It's EA, it's the most evil thing ever I guess. Single player never left, It's just stupid Youtuber fearmongering but everyone gotta be outraged over something. I mean it just bothers me to because it should be fairly obvious what EA meant. While I do like SP games as much as most people the point of the tweet was that most gamer couples do also at least have the desire and ocasionaly play games together. No secret agenda here and I doubt anyone at EA was all like giving it any great amount of thought just...heh. And the point of the trend is just fairly low brow humor...probably the worse thing that they did was even jumping on the bandwagon in the first place.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 1, 2022 7:37:09 GMT
It's probably some overworked Intern who wrote the Tweet, but people here and on Twitter make it sound like the entire company said this. It's a joke and you guys make it sound like EA went on a racist rant or something. And it's really nice to see the devs being pretty thin skinned over this tweet despite plans making DAD single player and pushing for more single player games. We really just can't brush things off huh? Just gotta take everything to the extreme. I mean at least the last EA tweet took it on the chin, I'm doubtful any Twitter users and even people here are going to forget this. It's war on single player games I bet and the corporations has fired the first volley with a tweet.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 1, 2022 7:44:28 GMT
It's probably some overworked Intern who wrote the Tweet, but people here and on Twitter make it sound like the entire company said this. It's a joke and you guys make it sound like EA went on a racist rant or something. And it's really nice to see the devs being pretty thin skinned over this tweet despite plans making DAD single player and pushing for more single player games. We really just can't brush things off huh? Just gotta take everything to the extreme. I mean at least the last EA tweet took it on the chin, I'm doubtful any Twitter users and even people here are going to forget this. It's war on single player games I bet and the corporations has fired the first volley with a tweet. That gave me a good chuckle. And yeah the David Gaider and Pat Weekes and Karin Weekes (is she even with them still?) is a little alarming given something that was mentioned here and any bitter feelings which they may be feeling towards this which just does not bode especially well. Of course it occurs to me that at least a lot of this could be them engaging in a mutal roast fest and just joking to EAs joke. Mud slinging.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 1, 2022 7:52:47 GMT
In comparison the Geth/Quarian issue has a very preferable outcome (making peace) unless you really hate one or the other of the two races. There was a twist in the tale with that one though because it is all rendered moot by the decision at the end of the game if you choose to destroy the Reapers, which I had been determined to do ever since I had that conversation with Sovereign back in ME1. It was made worse by the fact that in order for the Geth to survive in that earlier quest, you had to allow Legion to upload Reaper codes to them, which seemed crazy at the time, particularly when I had just done a sub-quest to remove such corruption from their system. So it didn't come as a surprise that the apparently "ideal" outcome for the Geth/Qarians wasn't as perfect as it initially appeared.
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Post by Rascoth on Jul 1, 2022 8:42:33 GMT
Good thing all my contact with Twitter is limited to Twitter Threads here, because damn John Epler @eplerjcI wonder if I could make someone watch the opening screen for five hours if I told them there was a secret that only showed up at exactly the 300 minute mark. Ummm... I'd do that
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Post by Grog Muffins on Jul 1, 2022 9:24:14 GMT
It's probably some overworked Intern who wrote the Tweet, but people here and on Twitter make it sound like the entire company said this. It's a joke and you guys make it sound like EA went on a racist rant or something. And it's really nice to see the devs being pretty thin skinned over this tweet despite plans making DAD single player and pushing for more single player games. We really just can't brush things off huh? Just gotta take everything to the extreme. I mean at least the last EA tweet took it on the chin, I'm doubtful any Twitter users and even people here are going to forget this. It's war on single player games I bet and the corporations has fired the first volley with a tweet. Haven't checked the actual tweet but knowing Twitter, a degree of the outrage might be overblown. However, PR and community management isn't just something that anyone can do and without oversight. That tweet wasn't made by just some overworked intern without any approval and the fact that it wasn't deleted almost the instant the outrage started and they just released a backpedaling reply shows that it wasn't someone going rogue. This was likely a very cynical and calculated decision, which makes it even more tone-deaf, especially from the devs' pov. Imagine your employer openly mocking the work you've been doing for the past 8 years and then saying "you madge bro lol? was just a joke m8". Not really something to laugh about.
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Post by dadithinkimgay on Jul 1, 2022 10:19:47 GMT
Seriously even people on here are crying over this tweet. Seesssh..... DAD is going to be single player. Don't worry those filthy multiplayer people won't come out and get you. I'm more concerned for the incredibly hardworking single-player developers under EA who just received a huge slap in the face by their publisher. And I reckon that it follows the same pattern as to what happens internally. And honestly, how inappropriate is it for a gaming company to come out and pretty much say, "fuck this type of game." Like, what a horrible attitude to have as a AAA+ publisher! That's simply disheartening for the developers under them working on said type of game. The developers have every right to be pissed off and upset and I don't see why that's such an issue.
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Post by Fredward on Jul 1, 2022 10:50:54 GMT
I'm more concerned for the incredibly hardworking single-player developers under EA who just received a huge slap in the face by their publisher. Yah. If EA did actually only publish multiplayer games this would simply have been A Take but it's incredibly dismissive when you have IN HOUSE developers actively working on SP games. Must also stick in the craw when those SP games are the ones that get actual attention from critics and awards but hey it's Indistinguishable Generic FPS 5 that gets the bank.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 1, 2022 10:59:48 GMT
Seriously even people on here are crying over this tweet. Seesssh..... DAD is going to be single player. Don't worry those filthy multiplayer people won't come out and get you. I'm more concerned for the incredibly hardworking single-player developers under EA who just received a huge slap in the face by their publisher. And I reckon that it follows the same pattern as to what happens internally. And honestly, how inappropriate is it for a gaming company to come out and pretty much say, "fuck this type of game." Like, what a horrible attitude to have as a AAA+ publisher! That's simply disheartening for the developers under them working on said type of game. The developers have every right to be pissed off and upset and I don't see why that's such an issue. Yes, because that is the only reasonable take to a two sentence tweet...made by a company which makes single player games.
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Post by midnight tea on Jul 1, 2022 11:04:28 GMT
There is a part of me that wonders if EA posted that knowing it would provoke a reaction in order to score some kind of data off of it. Or some other motive behind it. Not sure what it could be though? And they should be especially careful about collecting data that way after what happened to Morbius...
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Post by Sartoz on Jul 1, 2022 11:35:07 GMT
Corinne Busche 🏳️⚧️ @corinnebuscheThe only reason I know we’re not all living the darkest timeline is because we made DA:D single player.
Corinne hit me with love when she said this.
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Post by Sartoz on Jul 1, 2022 11:41:51 GMT
I mean seriously it's not that big of a deal but because It's EA, it's the most evil thing ever I guess. Single player never left, It's just stupid Youtuber fearmongering but everyone gotta be outraged over something. I mean it just bothers me to because it should be fairly obvious what EA meant. While I do like SP games as much as most people the point of the tweet was that most gamer couples do also at least have the desire and ocasionaly play games together. No secret agenda here and I doubt anyone at EA was all like giving it any great amount of thought just...heh. And the point of the trend is just fairly low brow humor...probably the worse thing that they did was even jumping on the bandwagon in the first place.
EA made tons of money.... said so in ther Q Financial Statements.
Having said this, imo, some games (ie: sport titles) are more suitable to MP. My Uber preference is ME3MP. A sp game with a sideline of mp.
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Post by wright1978 on Jul 1, 2022 12:11:05 GMT
In the grand scheme of things it's minor idiocy but hardly a good look. If they were desperate to get on that meme bandwagon, surely 'but they don't play video games' would be a safer tag.
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Post by dadithinkimgay on Jul 1, 2022 13:02:48 GMT
I'm more concerned for the incredibly hardworking single-player developers under EA who just received a huge slap in the face by their publisher. And I reckon that it follows the same pattern as to what happens internally. And honestly, how inappropriate is it for a gaming company to come out and pretty much say, "fuck this type of game." Like, what a horrible attitude to have as a AAA+ publisher! That's simply disheartening for the developers under them working on said type of game. The developers have every right to be pissed off and upset and I don't see why that's such an issue. Yes, because that is the only reasonable take to a two sentence tweet...made by a company which makes single player games. I sense sarcasm, but I'm not sure what you're getting at?
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Post by The Elder King on Jul 1, 2022 13:11:44 GMT
I don’t personally think that the tweet itself is a big deal. But I’m also not a dev.
I don’t think the reactions from the devs (both currently working under EA, and former devs), is necessarily thin skinned. We don’t know what happens behind the scene and how much they could push back against EA executives about being forced to implement certain features, MP being one of them.
Let’s not forget that, for all of Bioware’s faults, DA2 was made in basically less then a year because EA wanted to cash in the success of DAO. They did, before they toned it down, pushed devs to make devs in short aumont of times, compared to what they actually needed. They did push for every game, for a period of time, to have live service elements, as well as using Frostbite, regardless of how the engine would work in specific genres.
I don’t personally have anything against MP in itself, but I personally wouldn’t have liked if DAD was a full coop/MP game, and there’s the possibility that EA pushed for that, before they changed course.
Things aren’t black and white, so while some reactions might be a bit exaggerated, I don’t fault devs and former devs to have issues with EA’s stance on various things, and that tweet could’ve simply reawakened not yet fully healed wounds.
In regards of the Weekes, both Patrick and Karin works, still, on DA.
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Post by ClarkKent on Jul 1, 2022 14:29:54 GMT
Anyway who says a singleplayer game can't be a good social experience. I have fond memories of playing games with the 'play a mission then pass the controller' philosophy. It was a jolly old time.
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Jul 1, 2022 15:12:58 GMT
Anyway who says a singleplayer game can't be a good social experience. I have fond memories of playing games with the 'play a mission then pass the controller' philosophy. It was a jolly old time. Not to mention all the talk with other players about the games! All the minds blown when someone mentions a quest or conversation they experienced in game that the people they're talking with have not! All the fanfic and fanart created and shared as a result of single-player games. Aside from the dismissal and denigration of their employees who work on single-player IPs, the other issue about the EA tweet is that multiplayer games are frequently and demonstrably hostile environments for a large portion of players who get bullied and harassed if other players hear their voices over chat. Single player games offer these players wonderful gaming experiences without any of the stress they might experience while playing an MP game. So: implying that people who like single player games are somehow lesser is kind of harsh from that perspective, too.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 1, 2022 15:23:29 GMT
Seriously even people on here are crying over this tweet. Seesssh..... DAD is going to be single player. Don't worry those filthy multiplayer people won't come out and get you. I'm more concerned for the incredibly hardworking single-player developers under EA who just received a huge slap in the face by their publisher. And I reckon that it follows the same pattern as to what happens internally. And honestly, how inappropriate is it for a gaming company to come out and pretty much say, "fuck this type of game." Like, what a horrible attitude to have as a AAA+ publisher! That's simply disheartening for the developers under them working on said type of game. The developers have every right to be pissed off and upset and I don't see why that's such an issue. Outrage over a two sentence tweet? How about BioWare focus on better management after the their last two games fell under heavy scrutiny. One dumb joke shouldn’t send them into a frenzy.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 1, 2022 15:27:30 GMT
Anyway who says a singleplayer game can't be a good social experience. I have fond memories of playing games with the 'play a mission then pass the controller' philosophy. It was a jolly old time. Not to mention all the talk with other players about the games! All the minds blown when someone mentions a quest or conversation they experienced in game that the people they're talking with have not! All the fanfic and fanart created and shared as a result of single-player games. Aside from the dismissal and denigration of their employees who work on single-player IPs, the other issue about the EA tweet is that multiplayer games are frequently and demonstrably hostile environments for a large portion of players who get bullied and harassed if other players hear their voices over chat. Single player games offer these players wonderful gaming experiences without any of the stress they might experience while playing an MP game. So: implying that people who like single player games are somehow lesser is kind of harsh from that perspective, too. Honestly I’ve had the opposite experience, I’ve been harassed by single player fans including people on this site over the years. I mean a decade ago, can’t even say anything about liking Dragon Age 2 without being harassed and mocked and that was my first BioWare game that I loved and got me into storytelling. I know this is an echo chamber but I had a lot more ups than downs In multiplayer games than in single player games. It seems when it comes to people who play single player games I seem to have the “wrong” opinion to these “games are art” guys.
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Jul 1, 2022 15:49:29 GMT
smilesja I am sorry that you have had those experiences here. I myself stick to only a very few threads because I don't have the spoons to deal with some of the people on the BSN. That being said, I feel like there's a bit of a difference. A person can avoid the BSN and thereby avoid subjecting themselves to harassment and still continue playing BioWare SP games. With MP games, you kind of have to interact with other players and therefore subject yourself to the potential for abuse and harassment if you want to continue playing the game. It's not even blatant bullying and harassment that can make a multiplayer game environment hostile for some players. I used to play WoW when it was still mostly chat-by-text. People could not hear my voice and know I was female in that environment, and would often assume I was a male player. So then I'd be subject to them bitching and being vitriolic about women, their girlfriends not letting them play their games in peace, etc. and expecting me to sympathize with them. The antipathy was not directed at me specifically, but it definitely made it an uncomfortable environment for me to continue playing in.
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Post by Grog Muffins on Jul 1, 2022 15:50:15 GMT
I'm more concerned for the incredibly hardworking single-player developers under EA who just received a huge slap in the face by their publisher. And I reckon that it follows the same pattern as to what happens internally. And honestly, how inappropriate is it for a gaming company to come out and pretty much say, "fuck this type of game." Like, what a horrible attitude to have as a AAA+ publisher! That's simply disheartening for the developers under them working on said type of game. The developers have every right to be pissed off and upset and I don't see why that's such an issue. Outrage over a two sentence tweet? How about BioWare focus on better management after the their last two games fell under heavy scrutiny. One dumb joke shouldn’t send them into a frenzy. Might be a good a idea not to gaslight the people who work under those conditions. We don't know what they have to deal with on a day to day basis and, dumb joke or not, the intention behind it still counts for something. At worst, it shows mockery and disdain for these devs' work, at best, sheer stupidity. I don't know about you but I would certainly not want either of those things present in the people who can leave me out of a job tomorrow. You can certainly make a much better joke about multiplayer and singleplayer without the mockery.
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