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Post by smilesja on Jul 1, 2022 15:54:22 GMT
Outrage over a two sentence tweet? How about BioWare focus on better management after the their last two games fell under heavy scrutiny. One dumb joke shouldn’t send them into a frenzy. Might be a good a idea not to gaslight the people who work under those conditions. We don't know what they have to deal with on a day to day basis and, dumb joke or not, the intention behind it still counts for something. At worst, it shows mockery and disdain for these devs' work, at best, sheer stupidity. I don't know about you but I would certainly not want either of those things present in the people who can leave me out of a job tomorrow. You can certainly make a much better joke about multiplayer and singleplayer without the mockery. Meh, Anthem's troubled production was Bioware's mismanagement. You want to feel self-righteous? Then improve on your leadership and stop acting like some dumb tweet is "showing disdain".
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Post by smilesja on Jul 1, 2022 15:55:50 GMT
smilesja I am sorry that you have had those experiences here. I myself stick to only a very few threads because I don't have the spoons to deal with some of the people on the BSN. That being said, I feel like there's a bit of a difference. A person can avoid the BSN and thereby avoid subjecting themselves to harassment and still continue playing BioWare SP games. With MP games, you kind of have to interact with other players and therefore subject yourself to the potential for abuse and harassment if you want to continue playing the game. It's not even blatant bullying and harassment that can make a multiplayer game environment hostile for some players. I used to play WoW when it was still mostly chat-by-text. People could not hear my voice and know I was female in that environment, and would often assume I was a male player. So then I'd be subject to them bitching and being vitriolic about women, their girlfriends not letting them play their games in peace, etc. and expecting me to sympathize with them. The antipathy was not directed at me specifically, but it definitely made it an uncomfortable environment for me to continue playing in. Now and days, multiplayer games can allow you to set your profile to private and avoid chat but yeah getting into the Bioware fandom was not easy especially during the ME3 ending controversy. I did find a lot of good people though.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Jul 1, 2022 16:03:14 GMT
Too bad a Bull cameo would be nice but it´s understandable that they bringing a quantum character like The Iron Bull back. And to second tweet: Have i miss something? I always thought that he and Bioware had a good working relationship.
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Post by The Elder King on Jul 1, 2022 16:10:37 GMT
Too bad a Bull cameo would be nice but it´s understandable that they bringing a quantum character like The Iron Bull back. And to second tweet: Have i miss something? I always thought that he and Bioware had a good working relationship.
I think he might refer to some issues on the financial side, because in recent days he and Weekes exchanged friendly tweets.
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Post by Grog Muffins on Jul 1, 2022 16:11:09 GMT
Might be a good a idea not to gaslight the people who work under those conditions. We don't know what they have to deal with on a day to day basis and, dumb joke or not, the intention behind it still counts for something. At worst, it shows mockery and disdain for these devs' work, at best, sheer stupidity. I don't know about you but I would certainly not want either of those things present in the people who can leave me out of a job tomorrow. You can certainly make a much better joke about multiplayer and singleplayer without the mockery. Meh, Anthem's troubled production was Bioware's mismanagement. You want to feel self-righteous? Then improve on your leadership and stop acting like some dumb tweet is "showing disdain". You can do both. You can demand both your direct management and your higher management do better, they're not exclusive.
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Post by luketrevelyan on Jul 1, 2022 16:17:53 GMT
Too bad a Bull cameo would be nice but it´s understandable that they bringing a quantum character like The Iron Bull back. And to second tweet: Have i miss something? I always thought that he and Bioware had a good working relationship.
Weird, never had heard anything about this before. A few other comments from the first tweet thread. Seems like it wasn't an issue with the writers so who knows. A lot of people have come and gone since that time. I wonder if it would be better now. Freddie Prinze Jr @realfpjrJun 30 Haha boo them not me. They have their circle of actors and I’m not in it. ME3 was a stunt cast and I couldn’t even get an audition for DAI so I snuck in on a group cast since they only listen to voices. Freddie Prinze Jr @realfpjrJun 30 It was wild when they iced me. Back then it hurt because I didn’t know what I did wrong. My work was clean and I even did mad press for them. But hey, I’m not their kind of guy. They’re allowed to not respect me. The writers of those games certainly did so I’m happy. Freddie Prinze Jr @realfpjrJun 30 Gracias man. @patrickweekes did nearly if not all of his writing. I loved Bull. My favorite role I’ve ever played. Live action or otherwise
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Jul 1, 2022 16:25:17 GMT
Weird, never had heard anything about this before. It was wild when they iced me. Back then it hurt because I didn’t know what I did wrong. My work was clean and I even did mad press for them. But hey, I’m not their kind of guy. They’re allowed to not respect me. The writers of those games certainly did so I’m happy. Jeez i wonder what possible could have happened between him and Bioware / EA (which seems more likely).
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Post by Sartoz on Jul 1, 2022 16:26:05 GMT
Not to mention all the talk with other players about the games! All the minds blown when someone mentions a quest or conversation they experienced in game that the people they're talking with have not! All the fanfic and fanart created and shared as a result of single-player games. Aside from the dismissal and denigration of their employees who work on single-player IPs, the other issue about the EA tweet is that multiplayer games are frequently and demonstrably hostile environments for a large portion of players who get bullied and harassed if other players hear their voices over chat. Single player games offer these players wonderful gaming experiences without any of the stress they might experience while playing an MP game. So: implying that people who like single player games are somehow lesser is kind of harsh from that perspective, too. Honestly I’ve had the opposite experience, I’ve been harassed by single player fans including people on this site over the years. I mean a decade ago, can’t even say anything about liking Dragon Age 2 without being harassed and mocked and that was my first BioWare game that I loved and got me into storytelling. I know this is an echo chamber but I had a lot more ups than downs In multiplayer games than in single player games. It seems when it comes to people who play single player games I seem to have the “wrong” opinion to these “games are art” guys.
I often mention that I liked DA2. Bio added that one specific feature that allowed me to play the warrior class.... AUTO-Attack !!!!! Without this, I was stuck playing Mage or Archer class. ... a wonderful game.
Then came DA:I..... as to MP... they can shove it down the loo.
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Post by Sartoz on Jul 1, 2022 16:33:16 GMT
Might be a good a idea not to gaslight the people who work under those conditions. We don't know what they have to deal with on a day to day basis and, dumb joke or not, the intention behind it still counts for something. At worst, it shows mockery and disdain for these devs' work, at best, sheer stupidity. I don't know about you but I would certainly not want either of those things present in the people who can leave me out of a job tomorrow. You can certainly make a much better joke about multiplayer and singleplayer without the mockery. Meh, Anthem's troubled production was Bioware's mismanagement. You want to feel self-righteous? Then improve on your leadership and stop acting like some dumb tweet is "showing disdain".
Hm... If I remember correctly, Anthem suffered many a problems, from the co-op mechanic, loot, level progression... and more. This is a design failure.... which brings up at what point did mgt fail? 'cause I agree that mgt was aware of the game's faults. If not.... hm.. some upper echelon guys left did they not?
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Jul 1, 2022 16:36:55 GMT
Corinne Busche 🏳️⚧️ @corinnebuscheSince most of my teammates are out on holiday, I get to spend my day sipping coffee and playing the build ☺️ Playing... the build?
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Post by Sartoz on Jul 1, 2022 16:37:13 GMT
Too bad a Bull cameo would be nice but it´s understandable that they bringing a quantum character like The Iron Bull back. And to second tweet: Have i miss something? I always thought that he and Bioware had a good working relationship.
Nah... he belongs in DA:I. Well, actually he shouldn't exist at all . Besides, Tevinter is Mage country. I expect lots of mage stuff.
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Post by wright1978 on Jul 1, 2022 16:41:20 GMT
Before iron bull I wasn't a really a fan of freddy beyond his choice of wife. But news of a falling out between him and bioware leaves me extremely curious what it could have been over.
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Post by Grog Muffins on Jul 1, 2022 16:54:05 GMT
Weird, never had heard anything about this before. It was wild when they iced me. Back then it hurt because I didn’t know what I did wrong. My work was clean and I even did mad press for them. But hey, I’m not their kind of guy. They’re allowed to not respect me. The writers of those games certainly did so I’m happy. Jeez i wonder what possible could have happened between him and Bioware / EA (which seems more likely). Sounds like their casting practices are a bit exclusive. From a certain point of view, I understand the desire to keep working with the same people you have 100% certainty you can work well with because you've worked with them before, you've developed a rapport, you get each other creatively. It does come with the disadvantage that you might be missing out on great talent out there if you insist on not casting a wider net from time to time.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Jul 1, 2022 17:17:51 GMT
Sounds like their casting practices are a bit exclusive. From a certain point of view, I understand the desire to keep working with the same people you have 100% certainty you can work well with because you've worked with them before, you've developed a rapport, you get each other creatively. It does come with the disadvantage that you might be missing out on great talent out there if you insist on not casting a wider net from time to time. Or maybe Freddie Prince Jr isn´t versatile enough to be featured in other roles like a Gideon Emery (Fenris and Samson) who have been a voice actor for Bioware for many years. But i am pretty sure this isn´t a Greg Ellis (Cullen) situation.
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Post by Grog Muffins on Jul 1, 2022 17:36:42 GMT
Sounds like their casting practices are a bit exclusive. From a certain point of view, I understand the desire to keep working with the same people you have 100% certainty you can work well with because you've worked with them before, you've developed a rapport, you get each other creatively. It does come with the disadvantage that you might be missing out on great talent out there if you insist on not casting a wider net from time to time. Or maybe Freddie Prince Jr isn´t versatile enough to be featured in other roles like a Gideon Emery (Fenris and Samson) who have been a voice actor for Bioware for many years. But i am pretty sure this isn´t a Greg Ellis (Cullen) situation. I admit I don't know many of FPJ's roles but I did think that he did a pretty good job making Iron bull distinct from James Vega. At least when he remembered to do the Churchill voice and didn't use his regular speaking voice. But that may also just be a case of voice over sessions being far apart and he's admitted that he doesn't have much experience in voice acting, so remembering the cadence and exact affect a character he voices has may not come as easily to him, so that may be why Bull sounded different in different parts of the game. Indeed, avoiding a Greg Ellis situation may definitely be one of the reasons why they would have an exclusive casting practice.
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Post by FireAndBlood on Jul 1, 2022 18:16:12 GMT
Sounds like their casting practices are a bit exclusive. From a certain point of view, I understand the desire to keep working with the same people you have 100% certainty you can work well with because you've worked with them before, you've developed a rapport, you get each other creatively. It does come with the disadvantage that you might be missing out on great talent out there if you insist on not casting a wider net from time to time. Or maybe Freddie Prince Jr isn´t versatile enough to be featured in other roles like a Gideon Emery (Fenris and Samson) who have been a voice actor for Bioware for many years. But i am pretty sure this isn´t a Greg Ellis (Cullen) situation. Pretty sure that’s why they didn’t call him back, guy’s a great actor but I could still tell it’s Freddie Prinze Jr as Iron Bull. Unless BioWare has a new IP in the works I’ll doubt they’ll call him back if it’s not for Iron Bull or James Vega.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 1, 2022 18:23:15 GMT
Yes, because that is the only reasonable take to a two sentence tweet...made by a company which makes single player games. I sense sarcasm, but I'm not sure what you're getting at? I'm just pointing out how utterly bizarre I find the situation of everyone ganging up on EA for this one joke. They make SP games FCOL you really expect me to believe that this was a deliberate effort to insult them? I don't feel insulted. I just feel much more weirded out on how personally everyone is taking this. Edit: yeah I'm with Smiles on this one, bioware devs former and current are (mostly) coming off as much worse looking than that innocuous tweeter. Unless of course it's all in good fun.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Jul 1, 2022 18:34:45 GMT
Or maybe Freddie Prince Jr isn´t versatile enough to be featured in other roles like a Gideon Emery (Fenris and Samson) who have been a voice actor for Bioware for many years. But i am pretty sure this isn´t a Greg Ellis (Cullen) situation. Pretty sure that’s why they didn’t call him back, guy’s a great actor but I could still tell it’s Freddie Prinze Jr as Iron Bull. Unless BioWare has a new IP in the works I’ll doubt they’ll call him back if it’s not for Iron Bull or James Vega. I think that FPJ main issue is well he hasn´t voiced that many characters like a Gideon Emery. FPJ only videogame roles are just James & Bull and that´s it. No other gig for another firm or within Bioware / EA.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Jul 1, 2022 18:39:58 GMT
It hurts to read FPJ wasn't treated well when working for Bioware, he did a great job and like he said did amazing promotion for them. Some places just don't realize that the people who come in contact with them are potential ambassadors, and that when you treat them badly they will likely let anyone who wants to listen know. The job interview I mentioned some pages back? I didn't get the job (which I'm perfectly fine with) but after two interviews I kinda expect more than to get a standardized mass-message saying they decided to not pursue me for the position. I took time off work to meet them, so I expect a modicum of effort on their part. So yeah, I could understand why he's bitter assuming they did him dirty.
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Post by Hrungr on Jul 1, 2022 18:47:12 GMT
Too bad a Bull cameo would be nice but it´s understandable that they bringing a quantum character like The Iron Bull back. And to second tweet: Have i miss something? I always thought that he and Bioware had a good working relationship.
Weird, never had heard anything about this before. A few other comments from the first tweet thread. Seems like it wasn't an issue with the writers so who knows. A lot of people have come and gone since that time. I wonder if it would be better now. Freddie Prinze Jr @realfpjrJun 30 Haha boo them not me. They have their circle of actors and I’m not in it. ME3 was a stunt cast and I couldn’t even get an audition for DAI so I snuck in on a group cast since they only listen to voices. Freddie Prinze Jr @realfpjrJun 30 It was wild when they iced me. Back then it hurt because I didn’t know what I did wrong. My work was clean and I even did mad press for them. But hey, I’m not their kind of guy. They’re allowed to not respect me. The writers of those games certainly did so I’m happy. Freddie Prinze Jr @realfpjrJun 30 Gracias man. @patrickweekes did nearly if not all of his writing. I loved Bull. My favorite role I’ve ever played. Live action or otherwise Wow, that rather sucks. This is the first I've heard of any of this. I honestly thought FPJr was in that "inner circle". It's all coming out this week, isn't it...
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BioWare @biowareTo all our Canadian and American friends and colleagues: have a great, safe celebration this weekend! #CanadaDay #IndependanceDay #Weekend
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Post by necrowaif on Jul 1, 2022 18:51:57 GMT
It hurts to read FPJ wasn't treated well when working for Bioware, he did a great job and like he said did amazing promotion for them. To be fair, it doesn’t say he was mistreated, it’s just that they have their “circle of actors” they prefer to work with. And yes, I definitely think that is sort of the case. A lot of the same voice actors show up again and again and again from game time game. I figured that was because they’re reliable. But given how Freddie has never said anything bad about BioWare up until now, I kind of wonder if he offered to voice a character in DA4 or ME5 and they shot him down, so now the skeletons are coming out of the closet.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Jul 1, 2022 18:54:11 GMT
It hurts to read FPJ wasn't treated well when working for Bioware, he did a great job and like he said did amazing promotion for them. Some places just don't realize that the people who come in contact with them are potential ambassadors, and that when you treat them badly they will likely let anyone who wants to listen know. Yes it´s pretty strange to hear this news. Before today i have thought that him and Bioware (the company and not just the writers) were on good terms and that would have been a safe bet for some minor role (maybe for a change as a dwarf?) plus an optional The Iron Bull cameo. In hindsight well it was a miracle that he got the role for Bull after been just "stunt cast" as James Vega.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 1, 2022 19:00:09 GMT
It hurts to read FPJ wasn't treated well when working for Bioware, he did a great job and like he said did amazing promotion for them. To be fair, it doesn’t say he was mistreated, it’s just that they have their “circle of actors” they prefer to work with. And yes, I definitely think that is sort of the case. A lot of the same voice actors show up again and again and again from game time game. I figured that was because they’re reliable. But given how Freddie has never said anything bad about BioWare up until now, I kind of wonder if he offered to voice a character in DA4 or ME5 and they shot him down, so now the skeletons are coming out of the closet. or it's just some massive wires being crossed if this were the case.
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