I really hope they don’t make everything “because ancient elves”. Let the other races have their own unique history.
Seconding that. I don't mind if the Qunari are a bit tied in with elves - whether they were created from elves + dragons, or Ghilan'nain is responsible for their creation - but I'd prefer if the Qun itself was just a set of beliefs codified by a guy who wanted his brethren to chill out. And I'd prefer if humans had some other origin that has to do with wherever they originally hail from, and maybe isn't tied to the elves or the Titans/dwarves.
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I really hope they don’t make everything “because ancient elves”. Let the other races have their own unique history.
Really at this point the only society that I think can relate much to the Elves in a direct way are the Qunari. My two main theories on them are they are either some sort of hinky Elven experiment or an evolution of the Lizard people mentioned in the Descent. As far as it goes though while both Dwarves and Humans were contemporaries of Elves, and while Humans and Dwarves probably enjoy much of their current status...for good and ill...because of what the Ancient Elves did (namely Solas) that does not mean they aren't also unique and I too hope we find out a lot more about them in the next game.
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It is. I ally with them in most playthroughs and there is nothing different, nothing I can see anyway. I bet if they kept scrolling the Triumvirate response would r identical too.
It was probably just lazy writing/programming. They decided there wouldn't be enough people who never recruited Bull to warrant a totally different screen so they went with that as the default that covers alliance, not doing his personal quest and not recruiting, leaving the player to fill in the gaps if it bothered them.
However, what would be interesting would be to know if the epilogue screens were still the same. There is far more if you have an alliance with the Qun than if Bull is Tal-Vashoth, because the Qun are at pains to keep the alliance going and are trying to persuade the Divine to come in on their side against Tevinter. If there was no official alliance then there would be nothing to keep going and whilst I can see them still trying to get the Divine on their side, it would be a far more difficult sell if the Inquisitor had rejected their previous attempts to curry favour. It looks like I shall have to make my current playthrough with a Chantry hardliner (specifically so I can chose all the options I normally don't) reject Bull altogether just to see what happens.
Whilst on the subject of the leadership's response, I noticed this:
The Salasari have no knowledge of any operations occurring in Halamshiral, and are investigating your claims of gaatlok being used in the South.
It is. I ally with them in most playthroughs and there is nothing different, nothing I can see anyway. I bet if they kept scrolling the Triumvirate response would r identical too.
It was probably just lazy writing/programming. They decided there wouldn't be enough people who never recruited Bull to warrant a totally different screen so they went with that as the default that covers alliance, not doing his personal quest and not recruiting, leaving the player to fill in the gaps if it bothered them.
However, what would be interesting would be to know if the epilogue screens were still the same. There is far more if you have an alliance with the Qun than if Bull is Tal-Vashoth, because the Qun are at pains to keep the alliance going and are trying to persuade the Divine to come in on their side against Tevinter. If there was no official alliance then there would be nothing to keep going and whilst I can see them still trying to get the Divine on their side, it would be a far more difficult sell if the Inquisitor had rejected their previous attempts to curry favour. It looks like I shall have to make my current playthrough with a Chantry hardliner (specifically so I can chose all the options I normally don't) reject Bull altogether just to see what happens.
Whilst on the subject of the leadership's response, I noticed this:
The Salasari have no knowledge of any operations occurring in Halamshiral, and are investigating your claims of gaatlok being used in the South.
Who in the hell are the Salasari?
The Salasari are the Arigena, Ariqun, and Arishok. So it is Qunlat for the Triumvirate.
I see nothing dumb with the alliance. We accomplished the reason why we allied and you save a lot more people with them than with the Chargers.
I’m curious to see whether our past protagonists being respected by the Qun will open up new possibilities or not.
I don't think the Inquisitor is actually respected in any of the possible circumstances, personally. Hawke could be by the old Arishock, but he's no longer in charge regardless of world state I think? But I suppose he might have sent on a message that mentioned some of the bas being worthy of respect in Kirkwall even if he died. I just don't think it would end up mattering at this point.
We know he did. If you play MotA during Act 3 Tallis can comment how Hawke is considered basalit-an for example.
I don't think the Inquisitor is actually respected in any of the possible circumstances, personally. Hawke could be by the old Arishock, but he's no longer in charge regardless of world state I think? But I suppose he might have sent on a message that mentioned some of the bas being worthy of respect in Kirkwall even if he died. I just don't think it would end up mattering at this point.
There's a reason Bull calls you "bas" if you go that route (besides the pun lol). As far as the Qun is concerned, the Inquisitor and their Inquisition... all bas, all things, not worthy of respect.
The Iron Bull was also throwing a temper tantrum at that moment. He may not consider the Inquisitor basalit-an due to his hurt feelings about the Chargers, but he doesn’t represent the Qun’s official position.
Solas has enough reasons to dislike their society on its own, but if it turned out that Qunari largely misinterpreted the teachings brought by Koslun, then it would explain why Solas is offended by the Qun.
I'd already previously made this suggestion. I could understand why he disliked the Qun but to make the rather godlike declaration that they offended him seemed to suggest it went rather deeper than philosophical differences. Mind you he does explain elsewhere that whilst Tevinter has slaves at least their thoughts are their own, whereas in the Qun their followers aren't even permitted to think. So it could just be that he is offended by the suppression of free will and being able to make your own choices in life.
I really hope they don’t make everything “because ancient elves”. Let the other races have their own unique history.
This is the main reason I really hope that Koslun doesn't turn out to be Solas or one of his followers (or Solas influenced him from the Fade), just as I hope the theory that Shartan was Solas or one of his followers is ultimately debunked. Then again, I also disliked the Qun introducing the idea that Calenhad was somehow more than just a charismatic human king, particularly as I couldn't see how they could know the history of a man from the deep south who was around before they arrived in Par Vollen (although he did disappear at the end of his life so I suppose he could have travelled over the sea to whatever is in the west).
I definitely would like to find out more about Koslun and the era in which he lived, so hopefully the next game will do that considering we are heading north and may have more contact with the Qunari and even Par Vollen.
The Iron Bull was also throwing a temper tantrum at that moment. He may not consider the Inquisitor basalit-an due to his hurt feelings about the Chargers, but he doesn’t represent the Qun’s official position.
When the Qun attack you, that you were previously Basalit-an is hardly relevant. Sten can call the Warden Basalit-an (but I believe this is only posthumously). He also expresses the hope to a surviving Warden that he never meets them in battle, not because he is afraid of them but clearly he respects them enough he wouldn't relish having to kill them. He also calls Alistair basalit-an when he meets him after becoming Arishok but that doesn't stop him from fighting him. Declaring Hawke Basalit-an was what allowed the Arishok to consider you worthy of single combat but he was still happy to kill you.
So far as I am aware there is no evidence that either Bull or the Qunari leadership declared the Inquisitor Basalit-an (and genuinely meant it). They formed an alliance with the Inquisition because it suited their purposes, not because they thought them worthy of respect. Anything that Bull says to you as Hissrad can be taken with a pinch of salt since he is saying what he thinks you want to hear and what will keep him controlling you.
That said, Bull may have used the term ironically because they sacrificed the Chargers as mere "things" and thus he is now treating them in the same fashion because the Qun demand it. However, I do not think it is because he had a "temper tantrum". After all Cole says he doesn't exhibit signs of feeling anything.
Post by Andraste_Reborn on Jan 7, 2019 10:37:20 GMT
Bull also calls you 'bas' in world states where you didn't do his quest for whatever reason, so at the least I don't think it's JUST about the Chargers.
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I'd be more interested in reforming the Qun than eliminating it. For all its flaws, it has a lot of merits: no starvation, actual technological advancements, racial equality, care for the elderly and infirm.
I've been thinking of a modern AU where the Qun is more philosophy than dogma, a set of loose guidelines rather than rules.
If the price is being zombified for wrongthink and refusing to fit into your assigned role I don't want it.
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I think this may be one of the bits that Koslun never intended. His philosophy seemed to be "go with the flow" and accept what life has given you rather than fighting against it, which is a far cry from "or we will force you to accept it" and people who resist are clearly sick in the head so need "curing".
It is rather the same as Andraste's teaching. Where did she say that mages needed confining and that tranquilising was an option for those who don't agree? This is something that later people have done with her teaching and then claimed Divine authority for their actions. All she did was condemn mages who abuse their gift from the Maker, which could equally be applied to those in power who are not mages but the Chantry conveniently ignore that aspect. By the time we get to DAO you have Templars (and some mages) describing magic as a curse rather than a gift. Completely not what she taught.
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If the price is being zombified for wrongthink and refusing to fit into your assigned role I don't want it.
I think this may be one of the bits that Koslun never intended. His philosophy seemed to be "go with the flow" and accept what life has given you rather than fighting against it, which is a far cry from "or we will force you to accept it" and people who resist are clearly sick in the head so need "curing".
It is rather the same as Andraste's teaching. Where did she say that mages needed confining and that tranquilising was an option for those who don't agree? This is something that later people have done with her teaching and then claimed Divine authority for their actions. All she did was condemn mages who abuse their gift from the Maker, which could equally be applied to those in power who are not mages but the Chantry conveniently ignore that aspect. By the time we get to DAO you have Templars (and some mages) describing magic as a curse rather than a gift. Completely not what she taught.
So we get another two back-to-the-true-teachings-of-X fundamentalist movements. What could possibly go wrong?
It's not as if such large-scale developments can be forced anyway. The time has to be just right, and the ideological and political conditions, and then there's usually someone who serves as an anchor. And there has to be something really new around the corner. What I could imagine, for instance, is some people from various cultures coming together and applying scientific principles they got from the qunari to magic. Dagna has already made some inroads, but with more weight and a cultural and social movement built on top this kind of thinking could have an extraordinary impact.
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Bull also calls you 'bas' in world states where you didn't do his quest for whatever reason, so at the least I don't think it's JUST about the Chargers.
Yep, this isn’t a case of “he threw himself fully into the Qun because his best friends got killed”. He’s forced away from the Qun because he pulled Berethlok’s ground support. It all hinges on the dreadnought, not the Chargers.
I'd be more interested in reforming the Qun than eliminating it. For all its flaws, it has a lot of merits: no starvation, actual technological advancements, racial equality, care for the elderly and infirm.
I've been thinking of a modern AU where the Qun is more philosophy than dogma, a set of loose guidelines rather than rules.
If the price is being zombified for wrongthink and refusing to fit into your assigned role I don't want it.
Well, that's why I mentioned reform.
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