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Post by SofaJockey on Dec 13, 2018 13:11:31 GMT
With the recent trailer, this discussion is worth dusting off. To re-iterate the OP: I'm betting that Lace Harding is sufficiently inconspicuous to be a main character in DA4. Not one of the leaders of the Inquisition so can pass below the radar in Tevinter. On top of that, an awesome romance prospect, or is that just me? (seems not) Your thoughts?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2018 14:04:57 GMT
With the recent trailer, this discussion is worth dusting off. To re-iterate the OP: I'm betting that Lace Harding is sufficiently inconspicuous to be a main character in DA4. Not one of the leaders of the Inquisition so can pass below the radar in Tevinter. On top of that, an awesome romance prospect, or is that just me? (seems not) Your thoughts? Agreed. It's telling, I think, that she and Charter were included with Leliana in the Trespasser epilogue. It's definitely hinting that one or both of them will play some role in the Inquisition's work in Tevinter. Given Harding's role as initial scout for new areas, it completely tracks that they'd send her in first (with maybe a few soldiers who get wiped out quickly, leaving her in need of new allies). She was a big enough character in DA:I that she would provide a recognizable tie back to the Inquisition for casual fans. She's clearly a capable ranged rogue. And she proved to be an ensemble dark horse. And, as I've said before, I genuinely think that the flirt options for her were specifically included as a metric that could be tracked to determine if a dwarf romance was popular enough. That's partly why she's bisexual and ungated. This way, they could get a more representative sample. And since she's so popular, I think the reality is that she'll show up as a bisexual romance in DA4.
Now, about her personality, she's a little.....bland. I like her. But I can't tell you much about her at this point. Partly that's because she's not a big character. But partly that's because they didn't really give us much to work with. What do we know? She's a surface dwarf from near Redcliffe (but she must be first generation because she has no Ferelden accent). Her family are shepherds or farmers or something like that. She joined the Inquisition to see the world and make a difference. She's cunning and perceptive. She's a crack shot with her bow. She's creeped out by zombies and ghosts and stuff like that. What else? On one hand, that's good because it leave alot of room for character development. On the other hand, hopefully she's not the new Bethany (bland, vanilla, "nice").
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Dec 13, 2018 14:25:42 GMT
On one hand, that's good because it leave alot of room for character development. On the other hand, hopefully she's not the new Bethany (bland, vanilla, "nice"). I am optimistic that Bioware will flesh out her character and make her interessing.
Why? Bioware did that with other characters. If anyone had told me that Merrill is one of the DA 2 companions before she announced my reaction had been the same as yours. What? Merrill the bland elven mage from the Dalish Origin is a DA 2 Companion? But like Isabela and Cassandra they find a hook to make Merrill interessing.
Also Bioware have to include Harding just for the sake of the Hinterlands jokes.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2018 14:44:59 GMT
I am optimistic that Bioware will flesh out her character and make her interessing.
Why? Bioware did that with other characters. If anyone had told me that Merrill is one of the DA 2 companions before she announced my reaction had been the same as yours. What? Merrill the bland elven mage from the Dalish Origin is a DA 2 Companion? But like Isabela and Cassandra they find a hook to make Merrill interessing.
Also Bioware have to include Harding just for the sake of the Hinterlands jokes. That's a great point. Merrill and Isabela both got pretty significant character development arcs in DA2. I would hope they would go more along the lines of Isabela, where they build on what we already know. Versus Merrill, who seems like a completely different character. I just did a replay of all 6 origins and it's shocking to see how different Merrill is in DA:O and DA2. It does feel like they created a new Dalish character in DA2 and thought, wait, what if we just say that this is Merrill so there's a tie back to DA:O. Because it's a pretty big jump for Merrill to go from her personality in DA:O (assertive, serious, and cautious) to DA2 (goofy, naive, inquisitive) in around a year or so. Hopefully Harding is still recognizable but fleshed out.
Thankfully, I have faith in the DA writing team. They aren't always perfect, but I trust them.
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Post by vertigomez on Dec 13, 2018 16:07:02 GMT
I can see her as the Betty to someone's Veronica. She's got a girl next door vibe - more assertive than Bethany, less aristocratic than Josephine, but it's still there. She can be serious and playful when the situation warrants it, and seems like an empathetic person in general... she understands that the Inquisitor has to balance between being a symbol and a person, and her comments in JoH read like she sympathizes with elves. I wouldn't mind a full-fledged romance with her at all, as I like what we've seen so far and I'm confident that given the opportunity the writing team will flesh out her character no problem.
Plus she thinks something she dug out of something's ENTRAILS is a thoughtful gift, I love that in a woman. 😍
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Post by fchopin on Dec 13, 2018 17:20:37 GMT
I am fine with Harding as companion with romance.
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 13, 2018 18:29:29 GMT
I’d say she can be a companion both in case the Inquisitor will be back as MC, or if we get a new one, with her rapresenting the Inquisition in the party. She was quite popular from the early stages after release, so it can be something they took into account, and as others said, her presence in Tevinter won’t be as noticeable as others.
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Post by Sifr on Dec 16, 2018 7:13:07 GMT
What I most love about Lace Harding is that when you look at her character arc, it follows the basic hero's journey enough that she could easily have been the player protagonist of her own separate game, or fit seamlessly into one of the DAO style backgrounds. She started out as a local farm girl in the Hinterlands, who ended up running across Inquisition scouts and impressing everyone with her helpfulness and detailed local knowledge. A few days later, she returned and surprised everyone further by asking she could join their ranks, having already accepted the call to adventure before it had even been issued to her. From there her character progression included quickly rising to the position of Lead Scout, surviving the attack on Haven, travelling all across Ferelden and Orlais and witnessing the final battles against both Corypheus and Hakkon. Her completed sidequests included hanging out with the Avvar and members of the Legion of the Dead, having a potential workplace romance with the Inquisitor, inspiring a catchy-as-hell tavern song about her and even making an appearance in Varric's book. (She even loots dead bodies for gifts for people like a video-game protagonist!) Here's to Lace Harding, badass protagonist of the greatest (mostly offscreen) Dragon Age game so far!
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Post by smilesja on Dec 16, 2018 15:41:42 GMT
Harding for romance!!!!
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Post by boxofscreaming on Jan 7, 2019 23:59:26 GMT
I think they should edit the keep to make her romance in Inquisition an official one.
As for DA4, maybe Valta instead.
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 8, 2019 0:57:07 GMT
I think they should edit the keep to make her romance in Inquisition an official one. As for DA4, maybe Valta instead. While I wouldn't mind them making Harding's romance in DAI official, if they do that I'd hope the next dwarf romance would be a guy rather than another lady dwarf.
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Post by copper on Jan 8, 2019 2:10:23 GMT
I think Harding would be a good companion to represent the Inquisition's (however much remains) interests in tracking down Solas. She wouldn't be the new protagonist's boss, but more similar to the Pillars of Eternity: Deadfire companions in representing their factions. She's also popular already with room for character development if the writers choose to include her. My only hope is that if she is part of the roster we might still have a non surface dwarf too. Awakening is the only game so far to have more than one dwarven companion, and that was just an expansion.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Jan 8, 2019 12:04:12 GMT
I think they should edit the keep to make her romance in Inquisition an official one. Why this was just flirting. And if Bioware really change their mind it would be a very underwhelming "romance". Even worse than Sebastian.
I'd hope the next dwarf romance would be a guy rather than another lady dwarf. Why not two dwarven as companions and romances? The female is Harding of course and the male is someone new.
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 8, 2019 12:49:49 GMT
Why not two dwarven as companions and romances? The female is Harding of course and the male is someone new. Two is fine. I'm just saying if they did canonize Harding's romance for DAI, I think they should go for a male dwarf LI next time. Her romance seemed about on par with Sebastian's to me, and his is official. Then again they could bring her back, idk, I don't make these decisions.
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Post by naughtynomad on Jan 8, 2019 16:20:04 GMT
Why not two dwarven as companions and romances? The female is Harding of course and the male is someone new. Two is fine. I'm just saying if they did canonize Harding's romance for DAI, I think they should go for a male dwarf LI next time. Her romance seemed about on par with Sebastian's to me, and his is official. Then again they could bring her back, idk, I don't make these decisions. On par? Sebastian and Hawke get married, lol. How is that on par with "You can call me Lace." It was just flirtation with the hope of something more.
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Post by Little Bengel on Jan 8, 2019 16:26:12 GMT
Honestly... she's popular with the fans AND the devs.
I'd be more surprised if she WASN'T a companion and LI for DA4.
I am hoping she is.
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 8, 2019 17:58:27 GMT
Two is fine. I'm just saying if they did canonize Harding's romance for DAI, I think they should go for a male dwarf LI next time. Her romance seemed about on par with Sebastian's to me, and his is official. Then again they could bring her back, idk, I don't make these decisions. On par? Sebastian and Hawke get married, lol. How is that on par with "You can call me Lace." It was just flirtation with the hope of something more. I meant in terms of content. Both of their romances were pretty sparse.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Jan 10, 2019 7:02:08 GMT
Am I the only one who's curious about Leliana canonically grooming Harding to potentially take on her role? Considering Inquisition!Leliana's... methods, I'm interested in hearing her talk about it. Might even include some traumatizing tales.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 14:24:01 GMT
Am I the only one who's curious about Leliana canonically grooming Harding to potentially take on her role? Considering Inquisition!Leliana's... methods, I'm interested in hearing her talk about it. Might even include some traumatizing tales. Yeah, a "hardened" Leliana seems a good deal more ruthless than Harding. Although, to be fair, Harding doesn't seem squeamish either. But there's a distance between where they end at Trespasser, so that could be an interesting thing to see explored in DA4.
Sidenote: I have completely convinced myself that both Mae and Harding are in DA4 and that, likely, both will be companions. It's exactly what I caution other people against because I'm gonna be really bummed if they aren't. I feel 100% Mae is in DA4 based on the clues/hints from DA:I. I'm just not sure if she'll be a companion, advisor-type, or major NPC. Harding is less certain, but I think if she is in, then she's definitely either a companion or advisor-type. It would make no sense to include her otherwise. <crossing my fingers>
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Jan 14, 2019 15:48:35 GMT
Harding is less certain, but I think if she is in, then she's definitely either a companion or advisor-type. It would make no sense to include her otherwise. <crossing my fingers> Well DA 4 needs atleast one companion that represents the (former) Inquisition. And Harding is most obvious and easiest choice for Bioware. Also the Fans and Bioware likes her.
It would be shock if Harding isn´t a companion. Life Cassandra before in DAI Harding is a safe bet for companion and romance.
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Post by naughtynomad on Jan 15, 2019 10:32:34 GMT
Harding is less certain, but I think if she is in, then she's definitely either a companion or advisor-type. It would make no sense to include her otherwise. <crossing my fingers> Well DA 4 needs atleast one companion that represents the (former) Inquisition. And Harding is most obvious and easiest choice for Bioware. Also the Fans and Bioware likes her.
It would be shock if Harding isn´t a companion. Life Cassandra before in DAI Harding is a safe bet for companion and romance.
Have to agree. Harding is basically a given at this point... it would be more shocking if it turned out she would not be romanceable companion. Maevernis is much less likely for me. She will likely appear in the game given where we are going, but she'll either be an advisor or some side character.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Jan 15, 2019 12:57:39 GMT
Maevernis is much less likely for me. She will likely appear in the game given where we are going, but she'll either be an advisor or some side character. I think she had a very good chance to be a companion in DA 4.
Why? Because of the previous Bioware games and their representation of transgender characters. DA 2 Serendipity was considered as a mistake.
This have leaded to the creation of Maevaris in the comics. The next game for Dragon Age (DAI) have featured Crem a likeable transgender character but without the transgender part is Krem personality wise a boring character. The last game Mass Effect Andromeda had a character for which Bioware and this former general manager of Bioware had to apolgized.
I honestly believe that DA 4 team and Bioware as a whole company has the incentive to make right it this time. And could be a better way then enhance on a already established & well-received character and make her a companion? Its a perfect opportunity for Bioware.
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Post by naughtynomad on Jan 15, 2019 16:04:31 GMT
Yes, it's an opportunity for BW to make a statement... but because of the volatile nature of the issue, I'm guessing they're going to make a transgender character just a side-piece... I doubt they're brave enough to weather the inevitable shit-storm that would brew for being the first game to include a transgender romance option... especially with EA worrying over Anthem flopping. They will likely try to play it safe. But who knows... the game is 3 years off at least. More progressive minds could prevail in that time.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Jan 15, 2019 16:10:24 GMT
Yes, it's an opportunity for BW to make a statement... but because of the volatile nature of the issue, I'm guessing they're going to make a transgender character just a side-piece... I doubt they're brave enough to weather the inevitable shit-storm that would brew for being the first game to include a transgender romance option... e Who said that Mae should also be a romance option? I see her more as a Oghren and Aveline character where the player have set up her with somebody. Or you can only romance her as male dwarf.
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