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Post by Alfonsedode on Dec 24, 2018 12:52:30 GMT
Do u guys take the no piercing route at times on automatic guns or shotties ? is the ppr usable with no piercing?
Just checked and u better have armor mitigation or ppr doesnt damage armor.
for example CSMG is doing more damage with WA and no piercing vs every defense but armor. and only a few points difference vs armor. But PPR sucks too much even with WA IV.
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Post by Arkhne on Dec 24, 2018 14:04:38 GMT
Always pierce. End of story.
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Post by docsteely on Dec 24, 2018 14:23:29 GMT
Do u guys take the no piercing route at times on automatic guns or shotties ? is the ppr usable with no piercing?
Just checked and u better have armor mitigation or ppr doesnt damage armor.
for example CSMG is doing more damage with WA and no piercing vs every defense but armor. and only a few points difference vs armor. But PPR sucks to much even with WA IV.
No and no...  |
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Post by XCPTNL on Dec 24, 2018 14:29:07 GMT
I usually double and triple pierce on every weapon I use. Meaning: initial piercing of the weapon (if available) + piercing mod + piercing ammo...
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Post by NinjaSuperiority on Dec 24, 2018 14:29:25 GMT
pierce.-
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Post by BlackMage on Dec 25, 2018 5:20:59 GMT
Always pierce. End of story.
^^^ that
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Post by mrgoldarm on Dec 25, 2018 10:13:37 GMT
PPR without piercing is doable on the Prothean adept, if you use darkchannel on big armored targets and warpammo IV.
Unarmoured targets will die faster. I prefer with piercing though.
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Post by SalMasRac on Dec 25, 2018 10:49:17 GMT
If you're using Armor Weakening (Cryo Blast, Snap Freeze, Warp, etc) then use Cryo or Warp Ammo and no Piercing. If you mix Weakening and Piercing together, you get diminished effects.
(ex. you Weaken Armor by 25%, and you have 25% Piercing, it goes like 100% - 25% = 75% then 75% - 25% = 56.25%, as your 25% Piercing only applied 18.75% effect due to the Armor already being Weakened (it's 75% state is the "new 100%" when the Piercing looks at it)) whereas if you had 50% Weakening or Piercing you'd actually have the Armor down to 50% and not 56.25%.
Or something like that. Weakening vs Piercing, go all in on one or the other but don't mix them.
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Post by frankiscrank on Dec 25, 2018 12:31:07 GMT
How am I supposed to kill Guardians without piercing? Mailslotting? Lol, no.
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Post by Alfonsedode on Dec 25, 2018 13:49:38 GMT
I usually double and triple pierce on every weapon I use. Meaning: initial piercing of the weapon (if available) + piercing mod + piercing ammo... yeah well less piercing and more rubbing is often more efficent ;p |
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Post by Arkhne on Dec 26, 2018 3:51:41 GMT
How am I supposed to kill Guardians without piercing? Mailslotting? Lol, no. Or that annoying Nemesis who just wont stick her head out for you. Even ignoring the Armour negation benefits of Piercing, I find the utility of penetration (even without double/triple hits) enough to warrant the slot. Every time I've thought "Eh, I'll just take Warp Ammo." I remember "And shoot at the wall doing nothing." ...I might be addicted to wallhaxing. |
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Post by Alfonsedode on Dec 26, 2018 7:49:34 GMT
ok i see i havent raise any antipiercing heresy  So lemme post those 3 csmg ACA builds no piercing warp ammo : smg damage 119 136 152 87 (health, armor, barrier, shield) piercing barrel warp ammo : 105 139 138 73
and dont forget the juicy WA boost vs armor if primed (up to 168 vs armor for the first build)
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Dec 27, 2018 17:51:22 GMT
Two very interesting things in this thread.
TIL Weaken or Pierce, not both (my poor QFE is mad at me)
TIL CSMG is arguably better without HVB
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Ok, that's enough exposed ignorance for the day. Back into my scrubhole.
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Post by SalMasRac on Dec 27, 2018 18:39:18 GMT
How am I supposed to kill Guardians without piercing? Mailslotting? Lol, no. Take an ultra-light piercing barrel hurricane and make your own mailslot |
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Post by docsteely on Dec 27, 2018 20:34:38 GMT
How am I supposed to kill Guardians without piercing? Mailslotting? Lol, no. Really can't resist the temptation...  GIT GUD!!!  |
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Post by Alfonsedode on Dec 28, 2018 5:13:02 GMT
If you're using Armor Weakening (Cryo Blast, Snap Freeze, Warp, etc) then use Cryo or Warp Ammo and no Piercing. If you mix Weakening and Piercing together, you get diminished effects. (ex. you Weaken Armor by 25%, and you have 25% Piercing, it goes like 100% - 25% = 75% then 75% - 25% = 56.25%, as your 25% Piercing only applied 18.75% effect due to the Armor already being Weakened (it's 75% state is the "new 100%" when the Piercing looks at it)) whereas if you had 50% Weakening or Piercing you'd actually have the Armor down to 50% and not 56.25%. Or something like that. Weakening vs Piercing, go all in on one or the other but don't mix them. i wasn t sure about that and didnt found any test with it... Anyway, 56% instead of 50 isnt a big deal
EDIT: tested it on Kalence and Finally found a BUG in kalence ! lol, that builder is unmanly accurate anyway, (that is warp armor weakening disappear if you equip warp ammo)
but yeah, kalence agrees and it seems right, armor weakening and piercing are separate stuff (appliying on the 50 pts damage mitigation, so twice 50 %, once each, gives 0.5 * 0.5 * 50 = 12.5)
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Post by burningcherry on Dec 28, 2018 12:25:15 GMT
EDIT: tested it on Kalence and Finally found a BUG in kalence ! lol, that builder is unmanly accurate anyway It also forgets that Sword Mastery 6 has been fixed and now applies properly to Shadow Strike's initial hit. Does anyone have contact with the maintainer? |
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Post by Alfonsedode on Dec 28, 2018 14:05:27 GMT
Does anyone have contact with the maintainer? Nope and the contact form on weebly is to the dead TBForum |
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Dec 28, 2018 17:38:50 GMT
The only time I can think of that I don't have piercing is when I'm using the Vorcha Engineer with the Graal. Actually, the Krolord with the GPS doesn't have piercing either. Both are melee, so it only ever really comes into play when there are Guardians.
Fuck Guardians.
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Post by nitrous on Dec 29, 2018 6:48:50 GMT
The only time I go without piercing is when I take a non-projectile gun without innate piercing and am planning to slap some AP/Drill ammo on it. Otherwise the piercing mod is always there.
And as for mailslotting Guardians... From today's game:
A: Does it count as mailslot if you do it with a shotgun at point-blank range?
B: Yes, but, you know, it's a package delivery.
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Post by burningcherry on Dec 31, 2018 19:14:09 GMT
The further I go deobfuscating Kalence's backend code (it's in minimized Javascript), the more of its lackings I see. You ever noticed these icons? Because I didn't.  |
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Post by K_O_513 on Dec 31, 2018 23:35:45 GMT
I prefer to poke
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Post by burningcherry on Jan 2, 2019 0:39:39 GMT
it works   |
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Post by burningcherry on Jan 2, 2019 2:03:22 GMT
This also works The author apparently confused 'I' with '1' in a function that calculates weapon damage.  |
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