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Post by themikefest on Jan 6, 2019 0:51:52 GMT
Then in ME3 the Geth that didn't support going to the Reapers were imprisoned under their orders, as we see when we meet Legion/NotLegion. Didn't the reapers make an offer to the geth to join the them vs being destroyed by the quarians? The geth willingly joined the reapers.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 6, 2019 0:57:56 GMT
Then in ME3 the Geth that didn't support going to the Reapers were imprisoned under their orders, as we see when we meet Legion/NotLegion. Didn't the reapers make an offer to the geth to join the them vs being destroyed by the quarians? The geth willingly joined the reapers. Not all the Geth accepted the offer. Most did, but not all. Those who didn't were shackled, as we see when we encounter Legion or the Geth VI on the Geth Dreadnought.
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Post by themikefest on Jan 6, 2019 1:07:18 GMT
Didn't the reapers make an offer to the geth to join the them vs being destroyed by the quarians? The geth willingly joined the reapers. Not all the Geth accepted the offer. Most did, but not all. Those who didn't were shackled, as we see when we encounter Legion or the Geth VI on the Geth Dreadnought. The only geth I noticed that was shackled was the one on the dreadnought. Is there anything in the game that mentions other geth were shackled?
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Post by sassafrassa on Jan 6, 2019 2:05:00 GMT
]The harvest is STILL a very long slow process (more than a century). The total destruction of the galaxy is still not immediate. Defeating Sovereign merely delayed their arrival. It did not weaken their forces in any way. Reason out what you want to do as you please. It's an RPG game. I've stated how I reason it out. Neither way is "wrong" because it's an RPG game. That is all. The Harvest is a slow process but it is also done in a galaxy in which none of the Mass Relays work for anybody but the Reapers. Every star cluster and solar system is cut off. Galactic society is over. That's what the Reapers do. They enter through the Citadel Mass Relay and capture the station. They then data-mine it for information and use it to turn off all the mass relays. Then they can take their time harvesting each isolated region without having to worry about a galactic response because a galactic community is impossible without the mass relays. That's what I mean when I say the stakes with Sovereign are as high as they are in the Reaper War itself in ME3. If you fail to stop Sovereign then the Reapers win the war here and now. The rest is just clean-up.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 6, 2019 21:16:47 GMT
Do were know this to be true? As far as we know, Sovereign offered them significantly better tech for their services. A segment of the geth took the deal while the rest remained beyond the Perseus Veil. That said, we know for a fact that the Reapers have taken control of other benevolent (or at least non-aggressive) synthetic races in the past. Perhaps they would have enslaved them had all geth rejected the offer. We'll never know. Saren certainly implies that they are "devoted" to Sovereign and "idolize" it like a god. I would consider this strong evidence that they are under Sovereign's direct control - much like a cult leader is in control of the members of the cult. Whether or not they entered the cult voluntarily or through enslavement is, IMO, irrelevant. Okay, so then why are only some geth under Sovereign's control? They have a shared neural network. Sure, they can make different choices, but if it's mind control it wouldn't be a choice. They'd all join in.
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Post by capn233 on Jan 7, 2019 0:07:39 GMT
I would imagine it has something to do with the idea that the geth are supposed to be relatively resistant to hacking since they are a collection of many processes, so eventually some will correct. Also in ME1, Sovereign's ability to directly control entities seems to be somewhat limited, especially at range. All in all, I think it fits with what Legion tells you in ME2. Namely that the geth admire the "technological perfection" of the Reapers to an extent, but were not united in deciding to cooperate with them.
I don't know the best way to characterize the worship like reverence that is seen in ME1, at least on Feros. Kind of odd that it was in there at all, and probably isn't really a result of Sovereign's control given Saren's dialogue about how he finds it insulting (or something like that, can't recall the exact quote off hand).
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Post by griffith82 on Jan 12, 2019 4:20:01 GMT
Defeating Sovereign is not the equivalent of defeating all the Reapers but not defeating Sovereign is the equivalent of not defeating all the Reapers. The harvest is STILL a very long slow process (more than a century). The total destruction of the galaxy is still not immediate. Defeating Sovereign merely delayed their arrival. It did not weaken their forces in any way. Reason out what you want to do as you please. It's an RPG game. I've stated how I reason it out. Neither way is "wrong" because it's an RPG game. That is all. Yup. None of us should try and okay it the way somvelse would.
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