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Post by Gileadan on Jul 30, 2024 6:12:23 GMT
Voting with your wallet is superior to review bombing - you can buy a game you actually enjoy with the money you saved, and every company understands the message in the bottom line.
However, getting as worked up about it as the author of that article is just as lame. Different cult, same screeching.
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Post by General Mahad on Jul 30, 2024 13:11:58 GMT
Voting with your wallet is superior to review bombing - you can buy a game you actually enjoy with the money you saved, and every company understands the message in the bottom line. However, getting as worked up about it as the author of that article is just as lame. Different cult, same screeching. I would argue voting with your wallet while also review bombing helps convince more people not to bother spending their well deserved money on junk. It is becoming a more effective method of telling devs and publishers that we won’t mindlessly consume the the nonsense they produce, especially when it’s made/influenced by subversive ideologues. So far, it has helped kill off a major fish like Suicide Squad and a whole bunch of smaller games like ZAU and Flintlock. Concord is next on the chopping block and its toxic developer will certainly aid in their downfall. It’s getting to a point where Take Two, the publisher of GTA, is getting worried about review bombing and how they might affect sales. Ubisoft had to release a statement to try to calm their Japanese market because they were fearing government intervention brought on by the backlash. Review bombing campaigns are starting to bear fruit and just dismissing them is a great error. Of course, it’s not always effective such as we see with the Hogwarts drama but then again the reasons for the boycott were far more silly and so the backlash against the boycott was strong. Likewise, I don’t think Assassin’s Creed will fail because it’s the fast-food of the video game world but I could be wrong.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jul 30, 2024 13:47:29 GMT
Review bombing is lame and pathetic. People who do it do need to touch grass. Equally people who positively review something in order to satisfy some weird agenda need to reassess their priorities in life. Indeed i fI don't like something then I just leave it well aloneI know ther are things I won't lik ebu tI als okno wthreae things tha tI will. An dwhilst I'm no tplannin gon picking up Star Wars outlaws a tlaunc hI thin ki twil lbe a game I'll like. I'm jus tthinking on eo fth e3 games Veilguard FC2 5an d Outlaws that ae rcomin in this secon dhalf o fthe yea rI wantt osav eon eo fthem as a christmas present and seeing as I feel pretty invested in FC25 and Veilguard to the point I want to pla ythem a tlaunch Outlaws is th eon etha twill have t owait.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jul 30, 2024 14:00:47 GMT
Voting with your wallet is superior to review bombing - you can buy a game you actually enjoy with the money you saved, and every company understands the message in the bottom line. However, getting as worked up about it as the author of that article is just as lame. Different cult, same screeching. I would argue voting with your wallet while also review bombing helps convince more people not to bother spending their well deserved money on junk. It is becoming a more effective method of telling devs and publishers that we won’t mindlessly consume the the nonsense they produce, especially when it’s made/influenced by subversive ideologues. So far, it has helped kill off a major fish like Suicide Squad and a whole bunch of smaller games like ZAU and Flintlock. Concord is next on the chopping block and its toxic developer will certainly aid in their downfall. It’s getting to a point where Take Two, the publisher of GTA, is getting worried about review bombing and how they might affect sales. Ubisoft had to release a statement to try to calm their Japanese market because they were fearing government intervention brought on by the backlash. Review bombing campaigns are starting to bear fruit and just dismissing them is a great error. Of course, it’s not always effective such as we see with the Hogwarts drama but then again the reasons for the boycott were far more silly and so the backlash against the boycott was strong. Likewise, I don’t think Assassin’s Creed will fail because it’s the fast-food of the video game world but I could be wrong.Yeah I don't see AC failoing because as yo usaid it's parto ftha tgroup o fyearl yconsumptions lik e COD an dFifa/FC and whils tI am guilt yof consumin gth efootball games bu tto be fair I am a football fan I don' t tend to buy the others much.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jul 30, 2024 14:44:10 GMT
Review bombing is childish. Yes I guess it can be effective. But it also distorts greatly. Just because there's an aspect of the game somebody is upset about doesn't mean the game is 1/10 trash. I don't think I've ever played a game that deserves that low a rating. Would have to be borderline unplayable. Even the biggest gaming disappointments of my life have been like a 6.
The review bombing of Harry Potter was the most ridiculous bullshit I've ever seen. How is it the fault of the game what Rowling says? That woman is filthy rich and laughing her ass off. All the angry mob did was punish the devs that made a trans friendly game! So people are punishing the game for doing what they actually want just to spite an obscenely rich woman for being anti trans. Comedy gold!
People are being WAY too emotional about everything. It's borderline unhinged. So I agree that people who get so upset they review bomb should start doing something actually meaningful with their lives. These companies are not worth wasting that much energy on. If a game or even gaming itself means THAT much to you, that's pretty sad. Go outside and enjoy the sun and talk to normal people. Start a family, play with your kids. Get a dog. Anything is better than raging about bad games.
There are soooo many games out there, just play something else. Don't buy and move on. You're not saving humanity from evil corporations by review bombing. I wish it was that easy...
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Post by Sanunes on Jul 30, 2024 15:55:27 GMT
Review bombing is childish. Yes I guess it can be effective. But it also distorts greatly. Just because there's an aspect of the game somebody is upset about doesn't mean the game is 1/10 trash. I don't think I've ever played a game that deserves that low a rating. Would have to be borderline unplayable. Even the biggest gaming disappointments of my life have been like a 6. The review bombing of Harry Potter was the most ridiculous bullshit I've ever seen. How is it the fault of the game what Rowling says? That woman is filthy rich and laughing her ass off. All the angry mob did was punish the devs that made a trans friendly game! So people are punishing the game for doing what they actually want just to spite an obscenely rich woman for being anti trans. Comedy gold! People are being WAY too emotional about everything. It's borderline unhinged. So I agree that people who get so upset they review bomb should start doing something actually meaningful with their lives. These companies are not worth wasting that much energy on. If a game or even gaming itself means THAT much to you, that's pretty sad. Go outside and enjoy the sun and talk to normal people. Start a family, play with your kids. Get a dog. Anything is better than raging about bad games. There are soooo many games out there, just play something else. Don't buy and move on. You're not saving humanity from evil corporations by review bombing. I wish it was that easy... I do agree. One of the bigger problems I also have with Review Bombing is that it is just a social media protest and there are times when people leaving reviews are wrong about their stance. A recent example is the outrage against the ToS of The First Descendant. They saw something and didn't have the context to understand it while at the same time people were just leaving negative reviews because of what they were reading on social media. What I was reading in that ToS for I took the time to read what people had concern with seemed to be a universal worldwide ToS instead of being broken down by region. Someone saw "government ID" and freaked out without knowing any of the context behind it. In countries like China they are required to collect government ID to track how long people play a video game much like here you need ID for alcohol or cigarettes, but unless you are in one of those countries they don't collect that information. As far as Hogwarts Legacy and its protests to me demonstrates that there isn't really a unified voice because the people protesting Hogwarts Legacy and wanting it to fail are the same people that get upset when they hear about layoffs or studios closing and they wanted a studio to close.
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Post by General Mahad on Jul 30, 2024 16:42:53 GMT
People are being WAY too emotional about everything. It's borderline unhinged. Guess who started this unhinged insanity and guess who just wanted to be left alone? The shoe is on the other foot now and the pendulum of doom is fast approaching. I’m going to share with you a dark forbidden secret: you can do reviewbombing and still touch grass. It’s not an either/or conundrum. Some do it for ethical reasons, others do it for vengeance and then there are those who want to laugh at the train wreck. Watching billion dollar companies squirm and double down on their censorship and lies is entertaining…in a morbid sense. Review bombing is childish. Yes I guess it can be effective. But it also distorts greatly. Just because there's an aspect of the game somebody is upset about doesn't mean the game is 1/10 trash. I don't think I've ever played a game that deserves that low a rating. Would have to be borderline unplayable. Even the biggest gaming disappointments of my life have been like a 6. The review bombing of Harry Potter was the most ridiculous bullshit I've ever seen. How is it the fault of the game what Rowling says? That woman is filthy rich and laughing her ass off. All the angry mob did was punish the devs that made a trans friendly game! So people are punishing the game for doing what they actually want just to spite an obscenely rich woman for being anti trans. Comedy gold! People are being WAY too emotional about everything. It's borderline unhinged. So I agree that people who get so upset they review bomb should start doing something actually meaningful with their lives. These companies are not worth wasting that much energy on. If a game or even gaming itself means THAT much to you, that's pretty sad. Go outside and enjoy the sun and talk to normal people. Start a family, play with your kids. Get a dog. Anything is better than raging about bad games. There are soooo many games out there, just play something else. Don't buy and move on. You're not saving humanity from evil corporations by review bombing. I wish it was that easy... I do agree. One of the bigger problems I also have with Review Bombing is that it is just a social media protest and there are times when people leaving reviews are wrong about their stance. A recent example is the outrage against the ToS of The First Descendant. They saw something and didn't have the context to understand it while at the same time people were just leaving negative reviews because of what they were reading on social media. What I was reading in that ToS for I took the time to read what people had concern with seemed to be a universal worldwide ToS instead of being broken down by region. Someone saw "government ID" and freaked out without knowing any of the context behind it. In countries like China they are required to collect government ID to track how long people play a video game much like here you need ID for alcohol or cigarettes, but unless you are in one of those countries they don't collect that information. As far as Hogwarts Legacy and its protests to me demonstrates that there isn't really a unified voice because the people protesting Hogwarts Legacy and wanting it to fail are the same people that get upset when they hear about layoffs or studios closing and they wanted a studio to close. I will agree that going off half-cocked is a major problem that even I’m guilty off.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jul 30, 2024 18:02:33 GMT
People are being WAY too emotional about everything. It's borderline unhinged. Guess who started this unhinged insanity and guess who just wanted to be left alone? The shoe is on the other foot now and the pendulum of doom is fast approaching. And what do you think will happen then? Greedy corporations will never stop being greedy. With so many crazy expensive games not generating the kind of money they want I don't see how that's going to benefit anybody. They'll probably play it even more safe and boring. Even if they ditch the bemoaned woke agenda, they won't suddenly realize they should be making passion projects like BG3. That's not going to happen. Even if they tried it's something you can't just replicate. You need talent and, frankly, talent is not an infinite resource. Like with everything, outstanding talent/products are maybe less than 10%, I would even go as far as say 1%. AAA in many cases has always been flashy looking fast food. Which doesn't mean the ones that get praised actually sell well, nobody knows. There is no such thing as a surefire success even if the devs put their heart and soul into it. Just look how many passionate indie studios go bankrupt. Quality does not equal success AND money to create more quality games. It's always a shot in the dark. The right game at the right time that caters to a specific need that exists right now. It's always a bit or even a lot of luck. AAA publishers probably know this too so they will continue and try to sell their stuff to the lowest common denominator. We've had soulless AAA games long before woke started to take off about the years ago. Look at your average sports game franchise or CoD. People like fast food. Most people sadly don't even care for quality. They care for cheap entertainment. They think being able to grind an online game for thousands of hours is good value for money. Call me cynical but I don't think review bombing will change AAA gaming in any significant beneficial way to gamers. But I'll be happy to be wrong!
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jul 30, 2024 20:14:22 GMT
Review bombing is lame and pathetic. People who do it do need to touch grass. Equally people who positively review something in order to satisfy some weird agenda need to reassess their priorities in life. I disagree. Review bombing is far more constructive than say... mindlessly scrolling on Tiktok for an hour each day. Plus you can make new friends; that's always nice.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jul 30, 2024 20:20:02 GMT
Voting with your wallet is superior to review bombing - you can buy a game you actually enjoy with the money you saved, and every company understands the message in the bottom line. However, getting as worked up about it as the author of that article is just as lame. Different cult, same screeching. I haven't read the article - is the author a reviewer of video games? If so, I can understand the anger/irritation. Review bombers muddy the waters, making the jobs of people who review games (or TV/Movies/whatever) much harder than it needs to be. Should there be screeching about it? Probably not, but the frustration is understandable, and has my sympathy. Unfortunately, due to Steams fair and reasonable return policy, you see review bombers buy a game, play it for an hour, drop their bomb and then refund it. So their intellectually dishonest activity has carried no financial cost to them at all. An example; Forspoken wasn't a great game, but it was not deserving of the hate. At release, the first few dozen negative reviews were all the same 'key' words. Wokespoken/Forwoken. Or other very very clever variants. Of those reviews, I saw one that hadn't refunded the product. I saw none that had played more than 3 hours. These are not honest reviews. These are pathetic people angry that a game had a brown girl as the main character. Believing otherwise is denying reality.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jul 30, 2024 20:24:47 GMT
The review bombing of Harry Potter was the most ridiculous bullshit I've ever seen. How is it the fault of the game what Rowling says? That woman is filthy rich and laughing her ass off. All the angry mob did was punish the devs that made a trans friendly game! Agreed - this game is also an example of...whatever the positive version of review bombing is called (review glowing? ) Anyway - same as with Forspoken, but in reverse. There were Steam reviews with less than an hour played and the hashtag 'I stand with JK Rowling'....like, grow up. I was interested in this, but then my two preferred Youtubers both called it some version of 'almost aggressively mediocre' and decided to pass. **** To be clear HL also got the standard review bombing, not claiming that it didn't - just that it was in a weird position of receiving large quantities of both directions of lameness.
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Post by General Mahad on Jul 30, 2024 20:39:01 GMT
Guess who started this unhinged insanity and guess who just wanted to be left alone? The shoe is on the other foot now and the pendulum of doom is fast approaching. And what do you think will happen then? Greedy corporations will never stop being greedy. With so many crazy expensive games not generating the kind of money they want I don't see how that's going to benefit anybody. They'll probably play it even more safe and boring. Even if they ditch the bemoaned woke agenda, they won't suddenly realize they should be making passion projects like BG3. That's not going to happen. Even if they tried it's something you can't just replicate. You need talent and, frankly, talent is not an infinite resource. Like with everything, outstanding talent/products are maybe less than 10%, I would even go as far as say 1%. AAA in many cases has always been flashy looking fast food. Which doesn't mean the ones that get praised actually sell well, nobody knows. There is no such thing as a surefire success even if the devs put their heart and soul into it. Just look how many passionate indie studios go bankrupt. Quality does not equal success AND money to create more quality games. It's always a shot in the dark. The right game at the right time that caters to a specific need that exists right now. It's always a bit or even a lot of luck. AAA publishers probably know this too so they will continue and try to sell their stuff to the lowest common denominator. We've had soulless AAA games long before woke started to take off about the years ago. Look at your average sports game franchise or CoD. People like fast food. Most people sadly don't even care for quality. They care for cheap entertainment. They think being able to grind an online game for thousands of hours is good value for money. Call me cynical but I don't think review bombing will change AAA gaming in any significant beneficial way to gamers. But I'll be happy to be wrong! The AAA industry in the West is unsustainable and it will collapse without massive course correction. If review bombing won’t make them change then it will accelerate the collapse of the industry sooner rather than later through cultural backlash. Hopefully, the collapse will kill off the toxic elements and let the industry be reborn anew. If not, South Korea, China and even LatAm will step up and claim the video game throne.
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Post by skekSil on Jul 30, 2024 22:35:08 GMT
The AAA industry in the West is unsustainable and it will collapse without massive course correction. If review bombing won’t make them change then it will accelerate the collapse of the industry sooner rather than later through cultural backlash. Are you saying that video gaming industry will collapse because people will become fed up with POC and LGBT characters (and ugly women) and stop buying games completely? Can you elaborate? Like, will it be only American companies or world wide crash, AAA studios or indies too, why would people stop buying games at all? If not, South Korea, China and even LatAm will step up and claim the video game throne. Yeah, do you remember how when the 80's crash happened and Japan took over the market and we've been playing exclusively Japanese games ever since desu ka? Me neither. Also, who cares? - If its a good game it doesn't matter who made it.
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Post by General Mahad on Jul 30, 2024 23:10:09 GMT
The AAA industry in the West is unsustainable and it will collapse without massive course correction. If review bombing won’t make them change then it will accelerate the collapse of the industry sooner rather than later through cultural backlash. Are you saying that video gaming industry will collapse because people will become fed up with POC and LGBT characters (and ugly women) and stop buying games completely? Can you elaborate? Like, will it be only American companies or world wide crash, AAA studios or indies too, why would people stop buying games at all? No, I'm saying that it will be another stone or several on the road to collapse of the AAA industry in the West. 20,000 people were fired from the industry here in the West between 2023-2024, imagine how many more will get laid off if more games explode on the launch pad like Suicide Squad or Zau or Flintlock or Concord? POC and LGBT characters are a boon if done well like in for example Metal Gear or other Japanese properties because they feel like people and not delegated to some oppression check box. That being said, I would much rather have more attractive women AND men in my games.
Yeah let's just pretend that Japan didn't own the 90s video game and console market.
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Post by skekSil on Jul 31, 2024 0:25:58 GMT
No, I'm saying that it will be another stone or several on the road to collapse of the AAA industry in the West. 20,000 people were fired from the industry here in the West between 2023-2024, imagine how many more will get laid off if more games explode on the launch pad like Suicide Squad or Zau or Flintlock or Concord? I've heard several different reasons for recent layoffs but Suicide Squad flopping or backlash against SBI weren't one of them. Yeah let's just pretend that Japan didn't own the 90s video game and console market. Yep, Japan made good games and good consoles and so dominated the market for a while. Yet it didn't mean that American game industry got wiped out and never recovered.
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Post by Hier0phant on Jul 31, 2024 4:07:44 GMT
People review bomb over anything. You had shitters review bombing the Elden Ring DLC because they claimed it was too difficult.
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Post by Gileadan on Jul 31, 2024 7:05:37 GMT
Voting with your wallet is superior to review bombing - you can buy a game you actually enjoy with the money you saved, and every company understands the message in the bottom line. However, getting as worked up about it as the author of that article is just as lame. Different cult, same screeching. I haven't read the article - is the author a reviewer of video games? If so, I can understand the anger/irritation. Review bombers muddy the waters, making the jobs of people who review games (or TV/Movies/whatever) much harder than it needs to be. Should there be screeching about it? Probably not, but the frustration is understandable, and has my sympathy. Unfortunately, due to Steams fair and reasonable return policy, you see review bombers buy a game, play it for an hour, drop their bomb and then refund it. So their intellectually dishonest activity has carried no financial cost to them at all. An example; Forspoken wasn't a great game, but it was not deserving of the hate. At release, the first few dozen negative reviews were all the same 'key' words. Wokespoken/Forwoken. Or other very very clever variants. Of those reviews, I saw one that hadn't refunded the product. I saw none that had played more than 3 hours. These are not honest reviews. These are pathetic people angry that a game had a brown girl as the main character. Believing otherwise is denying reality. You didn't miss much by not reading the article. I can't tell if the author is a reviewer of anything, his description lists him as "feature editor". He laments the review bombing of "The Acolyte" and how the opinions of a few thousands tear down an entertainment product's rating even if it was a commercial success. As you concluded without reading his piece, he is frustrated with the actions of the relatively few making it harder to find a balanced review of a product. That said, I understand if someone refunds a game within Steam's 2 hour time limit and leaves a negative review if they didn't like it. I think it's a bit much to expect people to take the financial hit just so they can make a valid statement about why they consider their money on that particular game wasted. As far as Forspoken is concerned, I noped out of that one after the first few trailers. I didn't see a brown girl, I heard an annoying twit. Could have been Caucasian, could have been Asian, annoying is annoying. Now I don't doubt that there are people who never think further than "protagonist skin colour" when it comes to a game or a movie and frankly, I find that approach baffling. Looks are just that and have nothing to do with how likeable a character is. As always of course the skin colour brigade exists on both sides of the fence. 1/10 woke garbage, 10/10 bold and stunning masterpiece. Different cults, same gabble again. All in all I've found that only one review really matters - your own. Inform yourself and decide if a game or movie is for you. Yes, there's review bombing and reader's discretion is always advised. If you don't care about the aspect the review bombing is about then just ignore it. Sometimes all the smoke might be useful though and there actually is a fire somewhere like predatory cash shops or what not. Critics seem to have become oddly irrelevant anyway. For some reason over the last few weeks my suggested news articles contained entries that told me that I really need to watch "Supacell" on Netflix because it has a 100% critic ratings. With only a handful of critics it turned out, and it's currently a 7 on IMDB. So those critic ratings seem just as irrelevant as the review bomber crowd vs the silent majority just enjoying a product for what it is.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jul 31, 2024 7:57:16 GMT
The AAA industry in the West is unsustainable and it will collapse without massive course correction. If review bombing won’t make them change then it will accelerate the collapse of the industry sooner rather than later through cultural backlash. Are you saying that video gaming industry will collapse because people will become fed up with POC and LGBT characters (and ugly women) and stop buying games completely? Can you elaborate? Like, will it be only American companies or world wide crash, AAA studios or indies too, why would people stop buying games at all? If not, South Korea, China and even LatAm will step up and claim the video game throne. Yeah, do you remember how when the 80's crash happened and Japan took over the market and we've been playing exclusively Japanese games ever since desu ka? Me neither. Also, who cares? - If its a good game it doesn't matter who made it. Yeah I think I've been waiting for that game industry collapse for 15 years now... People have been fear mongering about it for a looong time, yet somehow I'm playing more awesome games than ever before. Granted, most of them not AAA but still. Gaming is doing fine. The amount of great AAA games has not gone down, the amount of shit ones has just gone up. So nothing has changed for me. I'm still playing awesome games. While I do agree that AAA development is currently so expensive and looks like it's unsustainable, they also now have a MUCH larger player base than 15 years ago. Asians do not just buy Asian games. It's a huge global market.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jul 31, 2024 10:07:08 GMT
That said, I understand if someone refunds a game within Steam's 2 hour time limit and leaves a negative review if they didn't like it. I think it's a bit much to expect people to take the financial hit just so they can make a valid statement about why they consider their money on that particular game wasted. I don't have any issue at all with people that bought, played, disliked and refunded a game in good faith leaving a negative review. That is the system working exactly as intended. I'd never bother with it myself, but the people who do that aren't doing anything wrong at all. That is 100% the opposite of what review bombers are doing, though. They never had any intention of giving the game a fair chance to impress them. They've decided to hate on it - and try everything they can to skew conversation about it - well before actually playing it (if they even bother to do that much). There is an ocean between a good faith negative review and review bombing. As far as Forspoken is concerned, I noped out of that one after the first few trailers. I didn't see a brown girl, I heard an annoying twit. Could have been Caucasian, could have been Asian, annoying is annoying. Now I don't doubt that there are people who never think further than "protagonist skin colour" when it comes to a game or a movie and frankly, I find that approach baffling. Looks are just that and have nothing to do with how likeable a character is. As always of course the skin colour brigade exists on both sides of the fence. 1/10 woke garbage, 10/10 bold and stunning masterpiece. Different cults, same gabble again. The marketing team who chose the dialogue for the trailers is most at fault here. The "CRINGE" dialogue everyone decried was limited to the first ten to twenty minutes of Frey's time in Athia. After that - and for a good part of the time before that - she was a badass. That's how the review bombers smart enough to not try and include 'woke' somewhere in their 'review' made themselves known. It was endless CRINGE...from people who had 0.3 hours of game time. That sort of thing. Which is unfortunate, because there were genuine issues for critiquing the game. It was very poorly optimised and didn't look anywhere near as good as it should have for the performance demands. The combat - while impressive to look at - was way too one dimensional for a significant portion of the game. It took too long to unlock the really interesting spells. The open world was too lifeless (there was story reason for that, but that doesn't change how empty it was). Which is the crux of the issue I take with review bombers. They make it impossible (or at least, far too hard) for real concerns to be seen and taken seriously. And people who don't share their bigotry end up circling the wagons for something that isn't necessarily worthy of their protection. And then we all lose. All because a bunch of knuckle dragging incels don't like a brown girl as the main character. Or a gay storyline. Or whatever small act of inclusion it was that set their little brains on fire.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jul 31, 2024 10:08:59 GMT
"Supacell" on Netflix because it has a 100% critic ratings Supacall was fine. Not amazing, but watchable. The first and last episodes were by far the best. The middle was a bit uneven. And some of the accents... Your wife might be able to translate, though.
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Post by General Mahad on Jul 31, 2024 12:50:54 GMT
Are you saying that video gaming industry will collapse because people will become fed up with POC and LGBT characters (and ugly women) and stop buying games completely? Can you elaborate? Like, will it be only American companies or world wide crash, AAA studios or indies too, why would people stop buying games at all? Yeah, do you remember how when the 80's crash happened and Japan took over the market and we've been playing exclusively Japanese games ever since desu ka? Me neither. Also, who cares? - If its a good game it doesn't matter who made it. Yeah I think I've been waiting for that game industry collapse for 15 years now... People have been fear mongering about it for a looong time, yet somehow I'm playing more awesome games than ever before. Granted, most of them not AAA but still. Gaming is doing fine. The amount of great AAA games has not gone down, the amount of shit ones has just gone up. So nothing has changed for me. I'm still playing awesome games. While I do agree that AAA development is currently so expensive and looks like it's unsustainable, they also now have a MUCH larger player base than 15 years ago. Asians do not just buy Asian games. It's a huge global market. Let me ask you this: has the global video game industry ever experienced layoffs of 20,000 people, closure of 30 studios, and all this concentrated mainly in the West in the past 15 years? That said, I understand if someone refunds a game within Steam's 2 hour time limit and leaves a negative review if they didn't like it. I think it's a bit much to expect people to take the financial hit just so they can make a valid statement about why they consider their money on that particular game wasted. I don't have any issue at all with people that bought, played, disliked and refunded a game in good faith leaving a negative review. That is the system working exactly as intended. I'd never bother with it myself, but the people who do that aren't doing anything wrong at all. That is 100% the opposite of what review bombers are doing, though. They never had any intention of giving the game a fair chance to impress them. They've decided to hate on it - and try everything they can to skew conversation about it - well before actually playing it (if they even bother to do that much). There is an ocean between a good faith negative review and review bombing. As far as Forspoken is concerned, I noped out of that one after the first few trailers. I didn't see a brown girl, I heard an annoying twit. Could have been Caucasian, could have been Asian, annoying is annoying. Now I don't doubt that there are people who never think further than "protagonist skin colour" when it comes to a game or a movie and frankly, I find that approach baffling. Looks are just that and have nothing to do with how likeable a character is. As always of course the skin colour brigade exists on both sides of the fence. 1/10 woke garbage, 10/10 bold and stunning masterpiece. Different cults, same gabble again. The marketing team who chose the dialogue for the trailers is most at fault here. The "CRINGE" dialogue everyone decried was limited to the first ten to twenty minutes of Frey's time in Athia. After that - and for a good part of the time before that - she was a badass. That's how the review bombers smart enough to not try and include 'woke' somewhere in their 'review' made themselves known. It was endless CRINGE...from people who had 0.3 hours of game time. That sort of thing. Which is unfortunate, because there were genuine issues for critiquing the game. It was very poorly optimised and didn't look anywhere near as good as it should have for the performance demands. The combat - while impressive to look at - was way too one dimensional for a significant portion of the game. It took too long to unlock the really interesting spells. The open world was too lifeless (there was story reason for that, but that doesn't change how empty it was). Which is the crux of the issue I take with review bombers. They make it impossible (or at least, far too hard) for real concerns to be seen and taken seriously. And people who don't share their bigotry end up circling the wagons for something that isn't necessarily worthy of their protection. And then we all lose. All because a bunch of knuckle dragging incels don't like a brown girl as the main character. Or a gay storyline. Or whatever small act of inclusion it was that set their little brains on fire. My friend, no one likes abrasive/annoying main characters and first impressions are everything. Frey was doomed by the first trailer. Not even so called progressive streamers nor milquetoast content creators could stand listening to her.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jul 31, 2024 13:15:50 GMT
Let me ask you this: has the global video game industry ever experienced layoffs of 20,000 people, closure of 30 studios, and all this concentrated mainly in the West in the past 15 years? No idea. I wasn't following gaming news back then. The entire world is in a shit place right now. So I'm not exactly surprised that game studios get downsized too. Trying to squeeze as much labor out of fewer people as possible to save money. It's happening everywhere. But layoffs are in no way an indication that the entire industry will collapse. COVID made them heaps of money. One of the few winners of the pandemic. Record sales. So I'm not too bothered by restructuring. These things happen once in a while when business isn't in the best place. But that's not the same thing as omg the sky is falling, they're finished! No matter if this would be a good or a bad thing, I doubt it will happen either way. Ubisoft, EA etc. probably have billions in reserves. I once read Nintendo was so filthy rich after the Wii era they could be operating on a loss for ten years before the money was gone. Nintendo went through a few consoles that absolutely bombed and they're still here.
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