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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jul 31, 2024 13:41:39 GMT
Let me ask you this: has the global video game industry ever experienced layoffs of 20,000 people, closure of 30 studios, and all this concentrated mainly in the West in the past 15 years? No idea. I wasn't following gaming news back then. The entire world is in a shit place right now. So I'm not exactly surprised that game studios get downsized too. Trying to squeeze as much labor out of fewer people as possible to save money. It's happening everywhere. But layoffs are in no way an indication that the entire industry will collapse. COVID made them heaps of money. One of the few winners of the pandemic. Record sales. So I'm not too bothered by restructuring. These things happen once in a while when business isn't in the best place. But that's not the same thing as omg the sky is falling, they're finished! No matter if this would be a good or a bad thing, I doubt it will happen either way. Ubisoft, EA etc. probably have billions in reserves. I once read Nintendo was so filthy rich after the Wii era they could be operating on a loss for ten years before the money was gone. Nintendo went through a few consoles that absolutely bombed and they're still here. Yea hthis is why I don' treall ypa yattention t oreviews o rwhats being said I jus tbuy the games I hin kI'l lenjo yand ignore evreythingsuirroundin git. Othrewise if I ha d listened t oevrey piece o fcriticis mgoing aroun dI' dbarl yb yany games and would likel yneed t ofind myself a new hobby .I know the games I thin kI'll lik eand hos eae rth egames I will support.
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Post by Hier0phant on Aug 1, 2024 0:10:27 GMT
I think Sony's console sales plateauing is a major contributor to their layoffs. www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2024/05/14/sony-says-ps5-sales-have-peaked-after-29-decline/The bulk of their profits should be in PSN subscriptions but with the PS5 reaching it's peak, which is below it's original sales projection, it looks like Sony's trying to reduce it's operating costs by firing non critical employees in an effort to alleviate shareholders concerns. Mind you Microsoft should be in a similar situation too. The console's business model (sell at a loss) doesn't seem sustainable.
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Post by General Mahad on Aug 1, 2024 1:05:29 GMT
I think Sony's console sales plateauing is a major contributor to their layoffs. www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2024/05/14/sony-says-ps5-sales-have-peaked-after-29-decline/The bulk of their profits should be in PSN subscriptions but with the PS5 reaching it's peak, which is below it's original sales projection, it looks like Sony's trying to reduce it's operating costs by firing non critical employees in an effort to alleviate shareholders concerns. Mind you Microsoft should be in a similar situation too. The console's business model (sell at a loss) doesn't seem sustainable. Correct.
Xbox Games Will Continue to Target ‘New Audiences’ as Console Sales Fall Further
Plus subscriptions are stalling as well.
Subscription Services Like Xbox Game Pass Appear To Have 'Stalled' In The US
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 1, 2024 5:01:41 GMT
For me to agree that there is a shrinking industry isn't if there are layoffs or studios closing, but total numbers and change year over year. Looking at the numbers EA provides to investors there are people doing the math indicating that EA still has more people working for them now after the 10% layoffs than what they did at this time in 2023. Same thing with studios closing, yes studios are closing, but there are also new studios forming they finally seem to be slowing down on the "from this other studio now making their own".
Those things that people don't like about video games right now such as "ugly women" might not appeal to some consumers, but the question is what the metrics are telling the companies, such as there might be more people who identify as LGTBQ or women purchasing video games now to offset and potentially go beyond the people that are upset. I would also say the same about people being upset at Hogwarts Legacy where there was the failure to try and cancel the game. The use of the IP probably had people buying the game just because it is attached to an IP they know and frankly most of the didn't know or don't care about internet opinion.
I have been online enough to see people claiming there is a crash coming for years and it hasn't materialized. Since now there is more than just Atari in the market I think it has become risk adverse enough by making games as bland and similar as possible that the risks aren't there to indicate people aren't buying games. I believe consoles have stagnated because people aren't moving to that platform, but things like mobile game and the portion of the market that makes up those sales shouldn't be discounted when talking about sales.
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Post by General Mahad on Aug 1, 2024 7:41:54 GMT
For me to agree that there is a shrinking industry isn't if there are layoffs or studios closing, but total numbers and change year over year. Looking at the numbers EA provides to investors there are people doing the math indicating that EA still has more people working for them now after the 10% layoffs than what they did at this time in 2023. Same thing with studios closing, yes studios are closing, but there are also new studios forming they finally seem to be slowing down on the "from this other studio now making their own". Those things that people don't like about video games right now such as "ugly women" might not appeal to some consumers, but the question is what the metrics are telling the companies, such as there might be more people who identify as LGTBQ or women purchasing video games now to offset and potentially go beyond the people that are upset. I would also say the same about people being upset at Hogwarts Legacy where there was the failure to try and cancel the game. The use of the IP probably had people buying the game just because it is attached to an IP they know and frankly most of the didn't know or don't care about internet opinion.I have been online enough to see people claiming there is a crash coming for years and it hasn't materialized. Since now there is more than just Atari in the market I think it has become risk adverse enough by making games as bland and similar as possible that the risks aren't there to indicate people aren't buying games. I believe consoles have stagnated because people aren't moving to that platform, but things like mobile game and the portion of the market that makes up those sales shouldn't be discounted when talking about sales. Looking at metrics is not a recipe for guaranteed success either. Disney tried this method with Star Wars by trying to push away their hardcore male fanbase in order to replace them with a female centric audience which has only ended in disaster for Disney.
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 1, 2024 12:21:19 GMT
For me to agree that there is a shrinking industry isn't if there are layoffs or studios closing, but total numbers and change year over year. Looking at the numbers EA provides to investors there are people doing the math indicating that EA still has more people working for them now after the 10% layoffs than what they did at this time in 2023. Same thing with studios closing, yes studios are closing, but there are also new studios forming they finally seem to be slowing down on the "from this other studio now making their own". Those things that people don't like about video games right now such as "ugly women" might not appeal to some consumers, but the question is what the metrics are telling the companies, such as there might be more people who identify as LGTBQ or women purchasing video games now to offset and potentially go beyond the people that are upset. I would also say the same about people being upset at Hogwarts Legacy where there was the failure to try and cancel the game. The use of the IP probably had people buying the game just because it is attached to an IP they know and frankly most of the didn't know or don't care about internet opinion.I have been online enough to see people claiming there is a crash coming for years and it hasn't materialized. Since now there is more than just Atari in the market I think it has become risk adverse enough by making games as bland and similar as possible that the risks aren't there to indicate people aren't buying games. I believe consoles have stagnated because people aren't moving to that platform, but things like mobile game and the portion of the market that makes up those sales shouldn't be discounted when talking about sales. Looking at metrics is not a recipe for guaranteed success either. Disney tried this method with Star Wars by trying to push away their hardcore male fanbase in order to replace them with a female centric audience which has only ended in disaster for Disney. I think what has hurt Disney more is making bad media, not going more female orientated. They aren't getting the free pass and if they were getting the free past in the past because they were just pandering to one audience while making bad content they deserve to fail now.
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Post by General Mahad on Aug 1, 2024 16:51:06 GMT
Released two days ago and started off with 5,000 and now can barely break over 1,600.
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 1, 2024 19:22:05 GMT
Released two days ago and started off with 5,000 and now can barely break over 1,600. It is why I get annoyed with "former developer from.." posts or news articles. I think it has become more about clickbait then expectations, but it still doesn't mean anything towards future projects or if they are going to find its market and if anything, it might set expectations at the point it is unrealistic too.
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Post by Pounce de León on Aug 1, 2024 23:19:24 GMT
For me to agree that there is a shrinking industry isn't if there are layoffs or studios closing, but total numbers and change year over year. Looking at the numbers EA provides to investors there are people doing the math indicating that EA still has more people working for them now after the 10% layoffs than what they did at this time in 2023. Same thing with studios closing, yes studios are closing, but there are also new studios forming they finally seem to be slowing down on the "from this other studio now making their own". Those things that people don't like about video games right now such as "ugly women" might not appeal to some consumers, but the question is what the metrics are telling the companies, such as there might be more people who identify as LGTBQ or women purchasing video games now to offset and potentially go beyond the people that are upset. I would also say the same about people being upset at Hogwarts Legacy where there was the failure to try and cancel the game. The use of the IP probably had people buying the game just because it is attached to an IP they know and frankly most of the didn't know or don't care about internet opinion. I have been online enough to see people claiming there is a crash coming for years and it hasn't materialized. Since now there is more than just Atari in the market I think it has become risk adverse enough by making games as bland and similar as possible that the risks aren't there to indicate people aren't buying games. I believe consoles have stagnated because people aren't moving to that platform, but things like mobile game and the portion of the market that makes up those sales shouldn't be discounted when talking about sales. The market has grown over the past decade a lot. During Corona alone it's probably had it's peak. It's also changed - triple A has been subject to a substantial run of concentration. Microsoft's acquisition of Zenimax ran along with that peak. And it's been a constant attempt of gobbling up market share, trying to find the best formula for recurring revenue (all hail the live service) and getting IPs to spin off sequels. It's in many way similar to the movie industry where Marvel and the like have been the treasure cove for the past 20+ years. Alongside the arms race for better gfx we've seen production cost ballooning. All fine as long the market keeps growing and margins keep being good.
But we all know that our time is limited. There is only so much time a player can spend playing until they need to earn the cash to earn their living. And after Corona the demand has taken a dip. So when a market has been growing for quite a while the downsize at the end of such a phase naturally is bigger than anytime before. It's throughout the triple A and in many cases the other segments of entertainment as well - the market is "consolidating" as a whole.
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Aug 2, 2024 16:06:51 GMT
Wow. That's unexpected. Too bad.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Aug 2, 2024 16:17:02 GMT
Oh wow, that really was unexpected. Hope they find new good jobs.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Aug 2, 2024 16:23:58 GMT
Alex Van Aken: "There are still people on staff who don't know what's happening yet there's a tweet that someone higher up posted spilling the news. I'll have some stuff to say later today, but yes, everyone at Game Informer was laid off about an hour ago."
Ben Hanson: "m furious about the end of Game Informer. It was an incredible 33-year run and then GameStop pumps out this phony/empty farewell message. I'd bet money it was written by AI. Fuck you, GameStop and a huge fuck you to Ryan Cohen.
Jesus Christ this should be illegal. Well in some countries it is.
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Alex Van Aken: "There are still people on staff who don't know what's happening yet there's a tweet that someone higher up posted spilling the news. I'll have some stuff to say later today, but yes, everyone at Game Informer was laid off about an hour ago."
Ben Hanson: "m furious about the end of Game Informer. It was an incredible 33-year run and then GameStop pumps out this phony/empty farewell message. I'd bet money it was written by AI. Fuck you, GameStop and a huge fuck you to Ryan Cohen.
Jesus Christ this should be illegal. Well in some countries it is.
I've had this happen to me before. Go in to work one day to find chains on the doors. It sucks.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Aug 2, 2024 16:32:29 GMT
I've had this happen to me before. Go in to work one day to find chains on the doors. It sucks. As long serving employee you can´t fired that fast and easy in some (mostly european) countries.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 2, 2024 17:36:11 GMT
Alex Van Aken: "There are still people on staff who don't know what's happening yet there's a tweet that someone higher up posted spilling the news. I'll have some stuff to say later today, but yes, everyone at Game Informer was laid off about an hour ago." I can only imagine what it feels like to read that you've lost your job on social media. However, I seem to recall a similar situation in the U.K. a few years back where people was informed by text message not to come in the next day. I think there was some loophole why it wasn't illegal but everyone agreed it was a really despicable way to treat the workers. If the firm is struggling to stay afloat the people at the top know it well in advance.
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Post by biggydx on Aug 2, 2024 17:39:20 GMT
That sucks. I used to read there magazines on the regular growing up. I remember when they did that big cover story on GTA:San Andreas. It hyped me up so much for the game.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Aug 2, 2024 17:41:37 GMT
Glad that can't happen this way here. Job security ftw!
I wonder when they will realize that happy workers who feel secure they won't lose their jobs for any mistake are actually in most cases more productive and creative workers...
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