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Post by smilesja on Jul 15, 2020 16:59:01 GMT
To be honest, social media has a lot of insane people and shouldn’t be listened to.
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Post by OdanUrr on Jul 15, 2020 17:52:49 GMT
Really? Looks pretty spot-on.
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Post by Vortex13 on Jul 15, 2020 19:20:36 GMT
I'm with Sovereign on this one: " Organic life [especially human-life] is nothing but a genetic mutation. An accident"
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Post by skekSil on Jul 15, 2020 21:44:23 GMT
Really? Looks pretty spot-on. Huh? No. He exaggerates and misrepresents (and nitpicks) what these criterias mean. - "At least one of the lead characters is from an under-represented group(s)." Well, in ME case main character is customizable so it gets a pass right away. But if you want to go deeper, lead characters in a game would be the ones that hang out with player most of the time and/or are crucial for main plot, so, like, your away team on Normandy. Do any of them come from under-represented group? Jacob maybe? I mean they are essentially asking to put one token black guy in a game how hard can it be? And no Shep doesnt need to be Volus, these criteria are set up to deal with under-representation in real life not fictional universe. He is setting up a strawman that he can ridicule easily, no good critique there. - "For non-narrative games where the cast is an ensemble – the total roster of playable characters meets one, or more, of the below targets.' This is the part where he got lost. He doesnt understad what it means and so says bizzare things like "if your protagonist is male then antagonist must be female". Alow me to provide an example of a non-narrative game, where cast(of playable characters) is an ensamble: Can you spot any of the characters that fit any of those targets? - You dont have to have exactly 7% of under-represented group, its the smallest percentage to fit that criteria. no one is going to disqualify a game if it has 8% or 11% of disabled people. Saying that they now need 100 lead characters so they can have exactly 7% is nonsense, another silly strawman. - D/deaf and disabled here means D/deaf OR disabled, simple nitpicking P.S. D/deaf people refers to Self-Identification in the Deaf Community
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Post by Sanunes on Jul 15, 2020 23:18:29 GMT
Really? Looks pretty spot-on. Huh? No. He exaggerates and misrepresents (and nitpicks) what these criterias mean. - "At least one of the lead characters is from an under-represented group(s)." Well, in ME case main character is customizable so it gets a pass right away. But if you want to go deeper, lead characters in a game would be the ones that hang out with player most of the time and/or are crucial for main plot, so, like, your away team on Normandy. Do any of them come from under-represented group? Jacob maybe? I mean they are essentially asking to put one token black guy in a game how hard can it be? And no Shep doesnt need to be Volus, these criteria are set up to deal with under-representation in real life not fictional universe. He is setting up a strawman that he can ridicule easily, no good critique there. - "For non-narrative games where the cast is an ensemble – the total roster of playable characters meets one, or more, of the below targets.' This is the part where he got lost. He doesnt understad what it means and so says bizzare things like "if your protagonist is male then antagonist must be female". Alow me to provide an example of a non-narrative game, where cast(of playable characters) is an ensamble: Can you spot any of the characters that fit any of those targets? - You dont have to have exactly 7% of under-represented group, its the smallest percentage to fit that criteria. no one is going to disqualify a game if it has 8% or 11% of disabled people. Saying that they now need 100 lead characters so they can have exactly 7% is nonsense, another silly strawman. - D/deaf and disabled here means D/deaf OR disabled, simple nitpicking P.S. D/deaf people refers to Self-Identification in the Deaf Community I do agree with your points, but looking at what I saw of that video I do think that developers who want to be nominated for a BAFTA would look at those requirements in a similar way and I doubt it would be as cynical, but very checklist orientated. That would be my concern with these requirements.
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Post by skekSil on Jul 16, 2020 0:13:53 GMT
I do agree with your points, but looking at what I saw of that video I do think that developers who want to be nominated for a BAFTA would look at those requirements in a similar way and I doubt it would be as cynical, but very checklist orientated. That would be my concern with these requirements. I dont think game awards hold so much prestige they warrant creating gaming analogues of 'oscar baits'. I mean this is the first time I hear about BAFTA gaming award. 'Oh no I didnt get BAFTA nomination. Well who cares when you have 9/10 on Metacritic.' I also dont think these criteria are as restrictive as they are said to be. I forgot to mention it in previous post but that youtuber ommited the fact that a game does not have to meet all criteria in a segment but only 2-3 of them. And each criteria has several ways to do it. Some criteria have very wide definintions and are very easy to fulfill (i.e. Location, Other Storylines).
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Post by ArcadiaGrey on Jul 16, 2020 8:46:33 GMT
I do agree with your points, but looking at what I saw of that video I do think that developers who want to be nominated for a BAFTA would look at those requirements in a similar way and I doubt it would be as cynical, but very checklist orientated. That would be my concern with these requirements. I dont think game awards hold so much prestige they warrant creating gaming analogues of 'oscar baits'. I mean this is the first time I hear about BAFTA gaming award. 'Oh no I didnt get BAFTA nomination. Well who cares when you have 9/10 on Metacritic.' I also dont think these criteria are as restrictive as they are said to be. I forgot to mention it in previous post but that youtuber ommited the fact that a game does not have to meet all criteria in a segment but only 2-3 of them. And each criteria has several ways to do it. Some criteria have very wide definintions and are very easy to fulfill (i.e. Location, Other Sorylines). In my experience, the gaming baftas mean even less than the game awards. Just industry back slaps and not much else.
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Post by Pounce de León on Jul 16, 2020 9:15:26 GMT
Studios are likely going to be better off just making a good game. It's not like the people that come up with this kind of insanity or wail for it on some social media cesspit are buying their product anyway. For those devs that decide to go with this, let's hope they'll find enough diversity hires to make my medieval strategy game where my squad of Teutonic Knights is made up of 50% women, some of them women of colour and/or LGBT, and some guys walking on crutches, as they bravely set out to overthrow the church and nobility to finally bring the highly diverse peasantry to power... Can't wait. The catholic church will feature gender equality in key leading positions too.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jul 16, 2020 11:49:09 GMT
I dont think game awards hold so much prestige they warrant creating gaming analogues of 'oscar baits'. I mean this is the first time I hear about BAFTA gaming award. 'Oh no I didnt get BAFTA nomination. Well who cares when you have 9/10 on Metacritic.' I also dont think these criteria are as restrictive as they are said to be. I forgot to mention it in previous post but that youtuber ommited the fact that a game does not have to meet all criteria in a segment but only 2-3 of them. And each criteria has several ways to do it. Some criteria have very wide definintions and are very easy to fulfill (i.e. Location, Other Sorylines). In my experience, the gaming baftas mean even less than the game awards. Just industry back slaps and not much else. Yeah they'er better off jus tfocusing on making games the ywantto make rather than pigeon holing themselves as we've already seen what happens when developers try to do that. Let the people wh obyu and play the games judge them for themselves and whether it's worth their time. Rather than jus trtying to chase criteria that may or may not earn them an award. I fa game like DAI or the Witcher 3 coes out and ends up being popula rthen great it deserves it. For m etbh that's the onl yarea fo rm ewhere games should be judged
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Post by ArcadiaGrey on Jul 16, 2020 11:55:05 GMT
In my experience, the gaming baftas mean even less than the game awards. Just industry back slaps and not much else. Yeah they'er better off jus tfocusing on making games the ywantto make rather than pigeon holing themselves as we've already seen what happens when developers try to do that. Let the people wh obyu and play the games judge them for themselves and whether it's worth their time. Rather than jus trtying to chase criteria that may or may not earn them an award. I fa game like DAI or the Witcher 3 coes out and ends up being popula rthen great it deserves it. For m etbh that's the onl yarea fo rm ewhere games should be judged And often the games that do win aren't even the fan favourites
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jul 16, 2020 14:11:48 GMT
Yeah they'er better off jus tfocusing on making games the ywantto make rather than pigeon holing themselves as we've already seen what happens when developers try to do that. Let the people wh obyu and play the games judge them for themselves and whether it's worth their time. Rather than jus trtying to chase criteria that may or may not earn them an award. I fa game like DAI or the Witcher 3 coes out and ends up being popula rthen great it deserves it. For m etbh that's the onl yarea fo rm ewhere games should be judged And often the games that do win aren't even the fan favourites Indeed.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jul 16, 2020 17:48:13 GMT
Nov 10th? Dear lord, Valhalla and Cyperpunk are that week as well.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jul 20, 2020 13:31:47 GMT
I’ll definitely be consumed by Cyberpunk, but I won’t let it keep me away from Beyond Light. As for Valhalla, I don’t touch Ubisoft trash, so I guess that’s fine.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jul 20, 2020 13:44:41 GMT
And yet all the while, costs for packaging and distribution of physical media greatly diminishes with more and more people going digital, and now the consoles themselves pushing that initiative even further. I don’t believe I’ll be buying any publisher or developer’s phony-baloney sob stories about the rising costs of game development, not when they’re so dead set on retaining their premium pricing while also padding their revenue through recurrent consumer spending. As for AA games, that doesn’t seem like a situation that at all benefits players. That just sounds like some may be settling for something slightly cheaper, rather than overall value of next-gen titles being greater. I look forward to seeing how many titles end up getting the price hike, and how many decide to wait for its inevitable price drop. With Cyberpunk getting its free upgrade to PS5, and some others likely to do the same, I can see a lot of people just waiting them out and avoiding the full retail altogether. I think it would take the full generation to see all game prices increase by the $10 if it happens for it won't happen overnight, for they will start with the ones they know will sell big to get the most amount of people used to it and then slowly bring up the smaller selling titles. My guess is the price hike has the most to do with 4K and getting games to work at that resolution for that is meaning more artists are required to generate proper 4K resolutions for they need to spend more time per asset. That is where the problem is with prices is the loud chants of 4K is driving developer to that and if they stayed at the 1080 route I think they could hold off the price hike. When you have studios talking about 1,000 or more people working on a game that is just driving the development cost up and why you don't see nearly as many titles as in the past or nearly as many risks everything has started to feel the same because they need to sell millions of copies now. I cannot seem to find the AskAGameDev post, but if I recall correctly back in the SNES days it was 10-20 people that worked on a game, but every console generation seemed to at least double that number. Maybe if players didn't throw temper tantrums when they didn't get everything they wanted in a game it wouldn't be a problem, but when you have people still whining about the facial animations of Mass Effect: Andromeda or the attacks on The Order: 1889 when it was only about 10 hours long so there is a trend which pushes developers and publishers to spend more and more money to make a game. We will see what happens with the games and the systems inside of them, but I would much rather have a higher price point for a game then have MTX in the game or season passes pushed on me. Perhaps I just don’t have as much of an optimistic outlook on how developers set up their pricing models. I don’t really buy that the push for 4K is really going to warrant an actual increase in cost, so much as it will push for an increase in perceived value. I doubt any of these developers will actually incur a significantly greater cost pushing the same amount of people to push out higher-fidelity assets. But, more importantly, I don’t buy for a second that this price hike will have any bearing on their willingness to saturate any given title with microtransactions. If something like that insipid basketball casino game can get away with having both a higher premium and having a full-fledged dice rolling system for extra money, it will just encourage other developers that they can do the same. The only thing that keeps some devs on edge about this is the fact that people are becoming more aware of the lack of sense in both charging a premium price for a product, while locking a lot of its built-in assets behind an RNG-laden paywall. It’s not to handle cost of development, but to maximize the amount of returns on that single product.
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Post by michaeln7 on Jul 21, 2020 5:32:01 GMT
What if a game company from Dubai makes a game filled with gay middle eastern people, set in Dubai, made by middle eastern people, with barely any white people in game or on the team, and no straight romances. Does it still qualify as there's no diversity? Or is it just simply 'you need x amount of not white not straight people pls' Ok I'm playing devil's advocate but this thing is so silly, you'll end up with folks being hired purely based on the colour of their skin, or their diversity, just to make up the numbers. Then that will lead to folks thinking any person of colour or diversity in a game studio was a strategic hire and wouldn't get the job otherwise, which will the devalue the ones who are truly good at their jobs and got it on merit alone. TL:DR This is dumb and just demeans the very crusade they're trying to piggy back on. So, instead of treating people based on character and behavior, we should instead judge based on skin color or race? Remind me again who the racists are? This is why I cannot, in good conscience, advocate for wokeness. Give me integrity. Give me authenticity. Give me unity. Just not this crap. To be clear, I'm agreeing with ArcadiaGrey.
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Post by azarhal on Jul 21, 2020 16:18:44 GMT
Wouhou!!! edit: The subscription for 180 days looks cheaper in Canadian $ on Steam than on the official website...hmm. Nope, it's not cheaper.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 21, 2020 16:42:15 GMT
Wouhou!!! edit: The subscription for 180 days looks cheaper in Canadian $ on Steam than on the official website...hmm. Nope, it's not cheaper. Anyone have a low level account? I wanna do some flashpoints.
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Post by azarhal on Jul 21, 2020 17:56:55 GMT
GW2 next update (drop next week) still won't have voiceovers and again Anet went to the actors to make a little video. It's just so weird to see some of them, their face don't match their voices to me. And I just now realized that Glint had a voice actress barely two years ago. How did I miss that? Oh and Kasmeer is pronounced like Kash-mir and not Kaz-mir?. I'm pretty sure everyone in-game says Kaz-mir. Well just Kaz really.
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Post by Babar Guy on Jul 21, 2020 18:19:06 GMT
GW2 next update (drop next week) still won't have voiceovers and again Anet went to the actors to make a little video. It's just so weird to see some of them, their face don't match their voices to me. And I just now realized that Glint had a voice actress barely two years ago. How did I miss that? Oh and Kasmeer is pronounced like Kash-mir and not Kaz-mir?. I'm pretty sure everyone in-game says Kaz-mir. Well just Kaz really. Emmy-award winning actor Sam Riegel being Braham is just the biggest WTF for me, finding out he did the voice after first watching a ton of Critical Role (the entire 1st campaign since March and quarantine). He is such an insane ball of charisma and so FUNNY that it's hard to fathom he's Braham. Plus his normal voice is nothing like Braham's.
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Post by OdanUrr on Jul 21, 2020 18:24:56 GMT
Love the game but that $15 monthly subscription became a bit expensive, especially when I stopped playing.
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Post by azarhal on Jul 21, 2020 18:34:39 GMT
GW2 next update (drop next week) still won't have voiceovers and again Anet went to the actors to make a little video. It's just so weird to see some of them, their face don't match their voices to me. And I just now realized that Glint had a voice actress barely two years ago. How did I miss that? Oh and Kasmeer is pronounced like Kash-mir and not Kaz-mir?. I'm pretty sure everyone in-game says Kaz-mir. Well just Kaz really. Emmy-award winning actor Sam Riegel being Braham is just the biggest WTF for me, finding out he did the voice after first watching a ton of Critical Role (the entire 1st campaign since March and quarantine). He is such an insane ball of charisma and so FUNNY that it's hard to fathom he's Braham. Plus his normal voice is nothing like Braham's. Sam Riegel won an Emmy? I've known him as a voice actor forever and he's in so many games/anime. Also, he claims he can only do 3 voices: younger him, normal him and older him.
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