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Post by PhroX on Aug 5, 2016 12:25:54 GMT
ToR is one of those games I go back to every 6 months or so and play for a month. I basically only really play it as a single player game though - occasionally do a bit of group content with other people, but generally I'm just working through the stories. Haven't actually gotten onto KotFE yet, when I last stopped playing I was working my favourite couple of characters through the previous expansion.
As for my thoughts on the original character stories: Jedi Knight: It's a "classic" Star Wars story but without any sense of pacing or scale. You save the Republic by the end of the second planet and they go on to do the same again about every couple of hours. There's no build up or development, just "you're the chosen one, now go save us". Good selection of companions though. Jedi Consular: Love the first planet. Love the finale of the story. Everything in between, along with all the companions, is dull. Trooper: Standard military sci-fi tale. Nothing outstanding, but enjoyable enough. The droid companion (being dumb and forgetting its name) is fun. Smuggler: Brilliant first chapter (arguably the best in the game), quality drops a bit after that but it's still fun. The characters - both companions and others - are great across the board. Sith Warrior: Relatively by the book "rise to power" story, but reasonably well told. Plus of course there's Vette, who automatically makes it brilliant. Sith Inquisitor: Very good opening chapter, but loses its luster later when you're just running around playing Ghostbusters. Bounty Hunter: Probably my favourite overall story, though, as with a couple of others, it is a bit front loaded, with Chapter 1 outclassing the later two, mostly good companions (there's one I really dislike), but it never quite fits the overall story going on: you take time out from bounty hunting to single-handedly conquer planets for the Empire.... Agent: Yep, great (though not really Star Wars) story with reasonably good companions. And the female voice is perfect.
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Post by goishen on Aug 5, 2016 12:41:50 GMT
So as I mentioned above, I have my Imperial Agent - I haven't played any of the other class stories for more than the first hour at most. I picked IA, partly because it appealed to me, but partly because I was told it had the best plot, companions, and decisions. Only problem is that now I feel the other classes would be a bit of a let down... Does anybody think any other particular class is worth playing through for plot/companions/choices? (I'll mention I'd be playing a female character - I know I will miss/gain a few companion conversations based off that) Plot- yes Ending- definitely Companions- ehh. Agent has the greatest number of interesting companions. Not sure if they're the best overall though. But yeah, IA is a surprise of a gem because it's not really a Star Wars story- yet it develops a theme and perspective in Star Wars that was lacking. That's not to say it blows the other class stories out of the water. Like I said, it's not the quintessential Star Wars story; for that you'd have to do the Jedi Knight. Based on your preferences though expect companion content, especially romance to be mediocre at best. For a female, Vector may really be the best one out there. I wouldn't know since only my IA is female which quite fortunately does well with the male romance but offers nothing of interest for the two female romances (to me at any rate). Beyond that: Smuggler- should still be humorous in that rogue adventure-ish kind of way, even though I really can't see it as a female. Trooper- has one wallop of a choice, though again it'll be felt a lot more by males. Otherwise meh. Bonus for this one is if you want to do female, it's voiced by Jennifer Hale. Jedi Consular- admittedly starts off really boring but gets better later on. This may be the next one I'd recommend. I have no idea how the romance is, not many people seem to talk about the dude. Jedi Knight- again, the traditional Star Wars story. Suffers from filler in the first chapter but picks up after that. Sith Inquisitor- I really enjoyed this one. This is what you want to play if you really want to be a proper Sith. Sith Warrior- other people praise it, it's a solid meh to me, mostly because the overarching enemy is so ridiculous and useless. Vette is the main draw for me. Bounty Hunter- you're a bounty hunter, you hunt things. The end. So yeah, don't be afraid to try the other stories, they are pretty good even if they're not the same as the agent. I'd recommend SI or JC next and then go from there. I can definitely agree with the sith inquisitor. Of course, you mix good writing with that VA (I played a female), and you just get so deliciously evil it'll make your skin crawl and excite you (sexually) at the same time. The first time it happens it's odd. Every time after that, it's like a drug that you want more of.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Aug 5, 2016 13:46:57 GMT
ToR is one of those games I go back to every 6 months or so and play for a month. I basically only really play it as a single player game though - occasionally do a bit of group content with other people, but generally I'm just working through the stories. Haven't actually gotten onto KotFE yet, when I last stopped playing I was working my favourite couple of characters through the previous expansion. As for my thoughts on the original character stories: Jedi Knight: It's a "classic" Star Wars story but without any sense of pacing or scale. You save the Republic by the end of the second planet and they go on to do the same again about every couple of hours. There's no build up or development, just "you're the chosen one, now go save us". Good selection of companions though. Jedi Consular: Love the first planet. Love the finale of the story. Everything in between, along with all the companions, is dull. Trooper: Standard military sci-fi tale. Nothing outstanding, but enjoyable enough. The droid companion (being dumb and forgetting its name) is fun. Smuggler: Brilliant first chapter (arguably the best in the game), quality drops a bit after that but it's still fun. The characters - both companions and others - are great across the board. Sith Warrior: Relatively by the book "rise to power" story, but reasonably well told. Plus of course there's Vette, who automatically makes it brilliant. Sith Inquisitor: Very good opening chapter, but loses its luster later when you're just running around playing Ghostbusters. Bounty Hunter: Probably my favourite overall story, though, as with a couple of others, it is a bit front loaded, with Chapter 1 outclassing the later two, mostly good companions (there's one I really dislike), but it never quite fits the overall story going on: you take time out from bounty hunting to single-handedly conquer planets for the Empire.... Agent: Yep, great (though not really Star Wars) story with reasonably good companions. And the female voice is perfect.Underlined: Jo Wyatt baby! That woman could read me the history of sewage removal policies in Alabama and I'd still be entranced. She needs to voice more things that I can get into. Otherwise, the problem with the Knight (and to varying extents the others) is mostly that all the stories have to conform to the same progression of planets. So once you save the day by destroying the superweapon, it's time to... do that four more times until Chapter 1 can finally finish. They shouldn't have made Chapter 1 so long, it not only makes the quality of some stories suffer but it's a barrier to a lot of players from even finishing it when you add the MMO grind on top of it (thankfully reduced these days). I can definitely agree with the sith inquisitor. Of course, you mix good writing with that VA (I played a female), and you just get so deliciously evil it'll make your skin crawl and excite you (sexually) at the same time. The first time it happens it's odd. Every time after that, it's like a drug that you want more of. The male's the same way. The actor did a good job channeling that spiteful spitting your words out type of voice Palpatine does when he's being really evil but mixing it with a good deal of snark to produce a unique experience. So what you get is a deliciously crazy evil bastard that's a lot of fun to play. I've done all males for my characters except for the agent who as I've said above I'd marry that voice if I could and now my KOTFE character which is a sage and is decent enough I guess. So while I don't have much to compare my voice preferences are: Knight: Male. Definitely helps that he's played by David Hayer (aka Solid Snake). Consular: Some people don't like Nolan North but I think he does the wise Jedi voice pretty well. Of course it being exactly the same as my necromancer in GW2 is a little weird (when I go play GW2) Trooper: Some people can't get enough of Jennifer Hale. Some think she overemotes. I think she's really good, but I've never gone all in for one of her characters. To my delight the male trooper is Brian Bloom, who I know from the Darkness 2. Loved the voice, it's less New York gangstery here but works just as well for my trooper who flip flops between heroic patriot and sociopathic solider at the drop of a dime. Smuggler: I'm more used to the male rather than having an independent preference, but he does do an excellent job with the lighthearted scoundrel jokes as well as the darker lines which fits in perfectly to how I play him. Inquisitor: see above Agent: Funny thing is I initially rolled a male Chiss (wannabe Thrawn of course) and promptly deleted him when I was on Hutta and met my exact twin. Best thing that could've happened. Besides my love for the female voice, the male sounds too nasally to me now. Warrior: The male does a good job sounding highborn. That's about it. I absolutely hate the female voice when I hear it. It just really annoys me for some reason. BH: The dude sounds like he chews gravel and that's totally cool for a BH. You get a bit of a fail with him for content between Hutt Cartel and Shadow of Revan where he lisps really noticeably. He had some surgery during the periods those lines were recorded which affected how he sounded. After Revan he got better, thankfully.
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Post by PhroX on Aug 5, 2016 14:40:08 GMT
Underlined: Jo Wyatt baby! That woman could read me the history of sewage removal policies in Alabama and I'd still be entranced. She needs to voice more things that I can get into. Otherwise, the problem with the Knight (and to varying extents the others) is mostly that all the stories have to conform to the same progression of planets. So once you save the day by destroying the superweapon, it's time to... do that four more times until Chapter 1 can finally finish. They shouldn't have made Chapter 1 so long, it not only makes the quality of some stories suffer but it's a barrier to a lot of players from even finishing it when you add the MMO grind on top of it (thankfully reduced these days). It's not just the structure that's the problem (although that doesn't help), it's that your character does far too much far too soon. Compare, say, the Smuggler. By the end of the second planet (Coruscant) you've managed to...get your ship back and pick up an interesting passenger. By that point in the story, the Knight has firstly nigh-single-handedly stopped a fallen Jedi (who's is shown to be capable of defeating Jedi masters) from destroying the Jedi on Tython and gone on to stop a Sith from isolating the galactic capital from the rest of the Republic (and thus likely winning the war) with a superweapon. And, unlike, say, Luke's first time saving the galaxy (which, for the record, didn't happen until a third of the way through the story), you do so by beating them in a straight up fight. To top it off, you're not some kind of highly experienced warrior, you're a newbie who didn't even get a lightsaber until the end of the first of those achievments. Even for a "classic heroic Star Wars tale", its not remotely plausible. After such a start, you have to be stopping superweapons left, right and centre because anything less would seem like an anticlimax. Tone down what the Knight does at the beginning, and Chapter 1 can have the same basic structure, but instead of having a superweapon on every world, you have clues that lead you to locating the one superweapon at the end of the chapter. As for the other voices well (do note, some of them I have probably only taken through the starter world while deciding which gender to play): Knight - Both are good but not outstanding. Slightly lean towards the male. Consular - Both really boring. Much like the story. Smuggler - Love the male voice, like the female. The former is best suited for a more "playful" character (him flirting with random women is brilliant), the latter probably a more ruthless self centred one. Trooper - Female is Hale using exactly the same voice as she does when playing FemShep. Except she sounds bored of it all and is just in it for the paycheck. So, even as a big fan of her, I'm going to give it to the male here even though he doesn't really stand out. Warrior - Female is good if you're doing a full dark side psychopath. If you want to go even somewhat grey, let alone outright light side, chose the guy. Though he does DS well too. Inquisitor - The guy is decent, but the female VA is excellent, both when zapping people with lightning, and playing a more manipulative, less overt character. Bounty Hunter - Another one with two good VAs, I lean a little towards the female, likely partly cos my female BH is my favourite character to play. Agent - I said it before, but female is perfect. As such, the only lines I've heard the male VA speak are on the character creation screen, where he sounds OK...
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Post by CrutchCricket on Aug 5, 2016 15:02:08 GMT
It's not just the structure that's the problem (although that doesn't help), it's that your character does far too much far too soon. Compare, say, the Smuggler. By the end of the second planet (Coruscant) you've managed to...get your ship back and pick up an interesting passenger. By that point in the story, the Knight has firstly nigh-single-handedly stopped a fallen Jedi (who's is shown to be capable of defeating Jedi masters) from destroying the Jedi on Tython and gone on to stop a Sith from isolating the galactic capital from the rest of the Republic (and thus likely winning the war) with a superweapon. And, unlike, say, Luke's first time saving the galaxy (which, for the record, didn't happen until a third of the way through the story), you do so by beating them in a straight up fight. To top it off, you're not some kind of highly experienced warrior, you're a newbie who didn't even get a lightsaber until the end of the first of those achievments. Even for a "classic heroic Star Wars tale", its not remotely plausible. After such a start, you have to be stopping superweapons left, right and centre because anything less would seem like an anticlimax. Tone down what the Knight does at the beginning, and Chapter 1 can have the same basic structure, but instead of having a superweapon on every world, you have clues that lead you to locating the one superweapon at the end of the chapter. The Knight is not quite a newbie, he does mention he's been combat trained, and it's on that basis that he's first sent out against the Flesh Raiders by himself (they wouldn't send a completely new Padawan out like that). Compare the consular who's stated to be a Force prodigy and yet his first mission is merely recovering some records. I'll take the rest to spoilers since some participating members haven't played the story yet. Regarding Bengel Moore, he may have employed treachery to knock out Orgus (remember Orgus would've tried to bring him back to the light, not kill him and Bengel specifically being his padawan, he may have had a blind spot that this former pupil exploited. Apart from being able to direct the Flesh Raiders Bengel hasn't really performed any confirmed great feats. It's not the best, I agree since it still makes Orgus out to be more of a sucker than his new student but it's not entirely outlandish.
As for Coruscant, Tarnis' specialty may have been deception, not combat. There's also the possibility that his rank of "lord" may be more nepotism than actually deserved. Angral freaks out over his death whereas other Sith (like the Temple guard on Korriban) disown their children and show contempt if they prove weak. Also, I think when you fight Praven he mentiones being Tarnis' teacher and acknowledges the Knight clearly surpassed his student in power. Finally, the Knight didn't defeat Tarnis alone, he had Kira's help as well.
I see your point and I don't entirely disagree. I'm just saying it's not quite as bad and they do justify what happens at least a little.
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Post by Babar Guy on Aug 9, 2016 21:57:33 GMT
The final part of KotFE is out! Overall I'd give it a thumbs up. Contains actual spoilers and not just an image spoilered for size: The duel with Arcann is pretty fun. Hopefully future story boss fights are of similar quality. The ending was a bit needlessly vague with Valkorion suddenly just reappearing only to say "you're ready" AFTER you've already defeated Arcann with no elaboration and it was quite convenient how SCORPIO and Vaylin just decide to partner up for shits and giggles. Also, if I never see another Skytrooper ever again it'll still be too soon. Though I guess they'll inevitably be the nameless, faceless meatshields and henchmen for SCORPIO/Vaylin as well. I just want Valkorion to stop fucking around and take his place as the main villain that he should be, SCORPIO and Vaylin are at best comparable to the slightly more prominent and named henchman of the main villain that the hero fights two thirds into the movie before the final showdown with the Big Bad. Did you guys shoot Senya and Arcann or did you let them fly away and got the wonderful treat of Koth throwing a hissy fit like a little child? He has been trying my patience almost every chapter, and I probably would've made choices specifically just to piss him off and get him to leave if it wasn't for my main being a 99% LS poster boy Jedi.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Aug 9, 2016 23:13:04 GMT
Good to hear the last part is out. Think I'll keep it to play the last few chapters for the festive season since I doubt the next expansion will appear this year.
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Post by Babar Guy on Aug 9, 2016 23:15:10 GMT
Good to hear the last part is out. Think I'll keep it to play the last few chapters for the festive season since I doubt the next expansion will appear this year. It's starting this fall.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Aug 10, 2016 3:35:42 GMT
I'll get around to it. I haven't even touched anything KOTFE since the first nine chapters. Getting the original class stories recorded is more important right now. Well that and qualifying for that DvL companion, just in case it is good...
..which does require finishing KOTFE. Whoops.
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Post by Kaidan Fan on Aug 11, 2016 4:57:14 GMT
I liked the newest/last chapter well enough. I recorded my "main" which is a LS Consular and my most awful person in the galaxy DS Inquisitor. spoilered for reply to @babar Guy stuff (curse your name babar, I can't tag you in posts here either!) LOL My main did not shoot them down. I've guessed all along that Senya would leave to try and redeem Arcann. I feel like he will come around and based on whether we shot them down or not, they may come back to help in the fight against SCORPIO and Vaylin and possibly Valkorion? As for Koth, he is lucky Nayelii is a goody two shoes!
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Aug 11, 2016 8:11:59 GMT
I think I'm missing out something about this recorded thingy? What is it?
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Post by ibnshisha on Aug 11, 2016 15:22:30 GMT
Was off and on since it first went F2P, but came back this past Dec and subbed this time. I basically SP it, it's like my KOTOR3 with occasional chat window antics. Played mostly males before, but mostly females since December. I'll post some pics when I get a chance.
I have to say, the way M!BH deadpans some of the lines ROFLs me. Especially sometimes when you pick neutral agree options, he drops a 'I see what you're sayin' that just totally feels like 'Just smile and nod...'
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Post by Kaidan Fan on Aug 11, 2016 17:28:17 GMT
I think I'm missing out something about this recorded thingy? What is it? In my case I just meant that I used shadowplay to record my play through of the chapter on my Consular to upload to my teeny tiny youtube channel
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2016 13:53:07 GMT
I just started trying to install this game... Ummm any tips would be nice??? Its updating I think right now not 100% sure though... either updating or installing it says Downloading at the bottom of the launcher thing and has a green bar...
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Post by CrutchCricket on Aug 12, 2016 14:19:46 GMT
I just started trying to install this game... Ummm any tips would be nice??? Its updating I think right now not 100% sure though... either updating or installing it says Downloading at the bottom of the launcher thing and has a green bar... lol yeah if you're installing from scratch that's a 25GB or so download. It'll be a while. If you're installing it purely via download, you're getting what's called a streaming launcher. Some people have problems with those. If you don't, awesome. But if you do, check this out for how to switch to non-streaming: answers.ea.com/t5/STAR-WARS-The-Old-Republic/Guide-How-to-Switch-to-Non-Streaming-Launcher/td-p/4867417
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2016 14:24:03 GMT
Oh this is a much smaller download so I guess its an update...
Whats a streaming launcher???
And can I pause the download so I can start it but then pause it and come back to it another time??? Theres no way im leaving my pc on for a long time...
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Post by CrutchCricket on Aug 12, 2016 14:37:33 GMT
Oh this is a much smaller download so I guess its an update... Whats a streaming launcher??? And can I pause the download so I can start it but then pause it and come back to it another time??? Theres no way im leaving my pc on for a long time... It'll do several small downloads that add up to around 25GB. I honestly have no idea. I just know that bitraider thing causes some people problems. I installed from a disk way back in the day so I never dealt with it personally. Yes, you can even close the launcher and it should pick up where it left off when you resume it.
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Post by Urizen on Aug 12, 2016 15:07:42 GMT
I´m currently reinstalling as well. But I prob will delete my chars that I played so far. Not really into hopping into a story I haven´t progressed in for ages.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Aug 12, 2016 15:17:00 GMT
I´m currently reinstalling as well. But I prob will delete my chars that I played so far. Not really into hopping into a story I haven´t progressed in for ages. Don't delete, remake. Unless you're out of character slots. There may be old items, especially armor and weapons that may not be as easy to get again.
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Post by PhroX on Aug 12, 2016 15:18:48 GMT
My earlier posts in this thread made me want to play TOR again, so I resubbed yesterday. I see there's this DvL event going on - looking over the requirements, I'm never going to get the last one, but I think the rest of the stages are doable assuming I don't get bored of the game very quickly, so I'll put my original plan of getting into KotFE straight away and try to do another character from each side. Likely a JK for the Pubs - as I said before, I'm not particularly keen on the story, but I do like Kira and my previous Knight was a woman, so doing a guy lets me see her romance. Dunno about Imps. Maybe an Inquisitor. My previous one has done nothing after completing the class story, and I'm not madly keen on her appearance, so effectively starting her over and taking her through all the content could be good. Zapping people with lighting is fun after all....
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Post by Urizen on Aug 12, 2016 15:24:14 GMT
I´m currently reinstalling as well. But I prob will delete my chars that I played so far. Not really into hopping into a story I haven´t progressed in for ages. Don't delete, remake. Unless you're out of character slots. There may be old items, especially armor and weapons that may not be as easy to get again. True. And now come to think of it, I think I had some armor that came as a bonus for me subbing. Also, question here. How many slots does a preferred player have? I seem to remember to have had 3 chars on the RP server.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Aug 12, 2016 15:30:52 GMT
My earlier posts in this thread made me want to play TOR again, so I resubbed yesterday. I see there's this DvL event going on - looking over the requirements, I'm never going to get the last one, but I think the rest of the stages are doable assuming I don't get bored of the game very quickly, so I'll put my original plan of getting into KotFE straight away and try to do another character from each side. Likely a JK for the Pubs - as I said before, I'm not particularly keen on the story, but I do like Kira and my previous Knight was a woman, so doing a guy lets me see her romance. Dunno about Imps. Maybe an Inquisitor. My previous one has done nothing after completing the class story, and I'm not madly keen on her appearance, so effectively starting her over and taking her through all the content could be good. Zapping people with lighting is fun after all.... Yep. Knight and Inquisitor are both solid choices. I'd suggest Agent as well if you haven't done it yet. If you're on Shadowlands and you need help, let me know. True. And now come to think of it, I think I had some armor that came as a bonus for me subbing. Also, question here. How many slots does a preferred player have? I seem to remember to have had 3 chars on the RP server. Difficult to say, with unlocks and them expanding allowable slots a bunch of times. It may be 16 or 18 active if you've bought up to that.
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Post by Urizen on Aug 12, 2016 15:38:13 GMT
Ok, thanks CC. I think I will find out soon enuff.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2016 15:40:13 GMT
This is an online game right??? So you can bump into other people???
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Post by PhroX on Aug 12, 2016 15:53:33 GMT
My earlier posts in this thread made me want to play TOR again, so I resubbed yesterday. I see there's this DvL event going on - looking over the requirements, I'm never going to get the last one, but I think the rest of the stages are doable assuming I don't get bored of the game very quickly, so I'll put my original plan of getting into KotFE straight away and try to do another character from each side. Likely a JK for the Pubs - as I said before, I'm not particularly keen on the story, but I do like Kira and my previous Knight was a woman, so doing a guy lets me see her romance. Dunno about Imps. Maybe an Inquisitor. My previous one has done nothing after completing the class story, and I'm not madly keen on her appearance, so effectively starting her over and taking her through all the content could be good. Zapping people with lighting is fun after all.... Yep. Knight and Inquisitor are both solid choices. I'd suggest Agent as well if you haven't done it yet. If you're on Shadowlands and you need help, let me know. I've done all the stories before, though only once each. Been quite a while since I did the two I'm going for though, and I can always do some decisions differently so replaying should be interesting enough. I'm on....actually, I haven't the slightest clue what server I'm on. One of the European English ones.
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