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Post by ibnshisha on Aug 16, 2016 15:29:02 GMT
I know right? That would have been something cool to add at least to the SoR pre-order vendor (not that that would have helped me, but there's always GTN).
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Post by Kaidan Fan on Aug 17, 2016 3:57:30 GMT
If you play LS Warrior and play as a warrior who expects the "master" to turn on them eventually (because: SITH! It's what they do) and be smarty pants to him the entire story and turn all his enemies to your advantage it plays so much better imo. I loved LS Sith Warrior story. On par with Agent. But this is just my opinon. I did play a DS Warrior as well and it was okay to let myself be used and play as someone who was duty bound to their master only to find out I was being used & lied to. But LS just felt so much better! Sorry, light side Sith makes zero sense to me. It's just not a thing in the lore. The only one who tried it up to that point was destroyed and mocked without mercy. And it really would not make sense for either the highborn warrior being raised and indoctrinated in the ways of the Empire and the Sith, nor the former slave inquisitor who's known only hardship and pain (and discrimination if he's an alien) at their hands, to be all goody-goody. You're free to play how you choose of course, but anytime people talk about light side Sith I cringe a little.
And yeah you can snark at Baras constantly but there's no way to shirk his rule or actively plot against him. You're his puppet regardless of your alignment and you never build a powerbase beyond maybe saving that one guy on Nar Shadaa.
I have found a way to play the warrior that's borderline acceptable and that's to make him a noble demon of sorts. Since he's always be a minion, there's no way he'll be a proper Sith. But by playing him as super dedicated to the Empire and actively hating and wanting to destroy the schemers that think they can do it better, it gives him a higher purpose than just being a gofer. He knows he'll never be a Darth. But if he dedicates his life to the system of the Empire and destroys any who threaten it, it will triumph and he along with it. He's done serving schemers and will be actively rooting them out. I got the idea after Shadow of Revan with the whole Empire's Wrath thing. Vitiate's shenanigans were the last straw. Sorry, I was gone for a few days and just got back. Only one more response on this and I'll let it go to discuss other SWtOR things, promise! I never cringe at anyones way of roleplaying, that's not for me to dictate. But I don't believe there is anything that says a Sith must be a bloodthristy, murdering lunatic. My sith has definitely done things that aren't nice. She just doesn't always think murder is the answer. She doesn't go out of her way to be goody two shoes. She just does what feels right for her and the situation. Squashing people beneath her who have no way of winning isn't what she considers fun. And she most certainly did turn the people Barish sent her to kill to her cause and use them against him in the end. (It's been years, but I think it was just a couple sith guys who actually show up). And I promised I'm done. We'll just agree to disagree on this count
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Post by Kaidan Fan on Aug 17, 2016 4:02:56 GMT
Lol, saberchic. I'll get to work on my next predictions shortly You know where to find me! legbamel: Look us up! Me and saberchic play together on Shadowlands. Your characters looks are great Dekibra!
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Post by CrutchCricket on Aug 17, 2016 13:52:44 GMT
But I don't believe there is anything that says a Sith must be a bloodthristy, murdering lunatic. Since this isn't a spoiler I think we can dispense with the tags. See, this is a common misconception. You're right that not all Sith are bloodthirsty, murdering lunatics, but not in the way you mean it. The problem is that they're often portrayed as mindless "rawr kill evry1 ded" by writers either too lazy or too dumb to do their research. This is true in TOR as well, for both some choices the Sith PCs make and the NPCs we come across. This problem is compounded by the false dichotomy moral choice system which in games always results in choices coming down to "be a friend to all the children and fuzzy animals" or "feed them to a wood chipper, cackling" with very little middle ground. Even more so in a Star Wars game where that kind of thinking is kind of built in. But if you look past the games and lazy writing to the lore you'll find that Sith are much more subtle than that. It's not that they want to kill everyone, it's that they're building power to be free from any inhibition, including being able to kill anyone. They embrace their passions and reject absolutely all restrictions "Through victory, my chains are broken". They're also very social darwinist/ubermensch about it and ruling the galaxy comes from that and as a way to ensure no one ever tries to chain them again. It all comes down to the Sith Code- the proper Sith lives by it to the fullest. Peace is a lie, there is only passion - already you have to reject the light side to believe this since the light side is all about peace, harmony and the supression of passion in the pursuit of transcendance. Through pasion I gain strength - Passion, literally the way to draw on the dark side, by feeding your emotions is what fuels their power Through strength I gain power- through a Sith's personal strength they gain the ability to get what they want. Through power I gain victory- Ability becomes reality Through victory, my chains are broken- Reality means they are now unfettered. Thus, the Sith have to be dark side, by definition. Does that mean being a mindless berserker? No. Was Palpatine a mindless berserker? Or Dooku? Darth Bane routinely spared people where "there was no purpose in their death" but he was still by all definitions a complete monster. Now there may be a bit of a discrepancy between terms. "Light side sith" as you mean it may mean "pick all or most of the blue options" where some may be justifiable under Sith ways of thinking. This would be different from "light side sith" from a lore perspective which is literally a light side Force user that still calls himself Sith. I'm very much against the latter as something that could legitimately exist in a system such as the Sith Empire. The former may be rolled into that simply because I'm allergic to the term That being said I'm also not a fan of the "changing the empire from the inside" vibe a fully "all blue option" playthrough tries to push. I just flat out think it's nonsense and lip service wank, at least how it's presented. My agent is much better at "changing the empire from within" because she actually wants to get rid of the Sith or at least get them to stop micromanaging according to their insanity and just let people do their jobs. And at the end of the day my problem with the warrior remains- whether you pick blue or red you can't fully live up to the Sith code with him, you have to settle for being a minion. And now I'll end my rambling and let someone else speak
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Post by ibnshisha on Aug 17, 2016 14:27:36 GMT
One of the few choices I felt they were close to getting 'Sithyness' as not bound to 'Evulz' right was early on Korriban, in the interviewing prisoners (specifically the assassin) segment: Wherein taking the 'light side' option by sparing the assassin, you are also strengthening the Empire and meet with Tremel's approval.
Unfortunately, they then screw the LS/DS pooch with the 'failed sith' prisoner, where sparing him is somehow the 'light option' when it subjects him to indefinite further torment and agony. Allowing him what he wants and agreeing to single combat, showing him respect as a former sith, is 'dark', even though it is his wish, accords him respect, and reaffirms his worth as a warrior and sith. For Sithyness, the choices are fine (at least I know Tremel chews you out if you spare him for wastefulness (not sure what he says if you duel him)), but I think they totally got the LS/DS flipped on this one
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Post by PhroX on Aug 17, 2016 17:31:35 GMT
One of the few choices I felt they were close to getting 'Sithyness' as not bound to 'Evulz' right was early on Korriban, in the interviewing prisoners (specifically the assassin) segment: Wherein taking the 'light side' option by sparing the assassin, you are also strengthening the Empire and meet with Tremel's approval.
Unfortunately, they then screw the LS/DS pooch with the 'failed sith' prisoner, where sparing him is somehow the 'light option' when it subjects him to indefinite further torment and agony. Allowing him what he wants and agreeing to single combat, showing him respect as a former sith, is 'dark', even though it is his wish, accords him respect, and reaffirms his worth as a warrior and sith. For Sithyness, the choices are fine (at least I know Tremel chews you out if you spare him for wastefulness (not sure what he says if you duel him)), but I think they totally got the LS/DS flipped on this one To be honest, I'd call both options DS. One might be more dark, but it doesn't make the other light. The problem is that the game mechanics are based around all decisions being between light and dark even when the story would be better suited from them not being so. It'd be much better in situations like this if there were only DS options, just that they gave differing amounts of DS points (this isn't just a ToR issue, Mass Effect had it at times too - Legion's loyalty mission being the most obvious). In the end though, I don't really care about light and dark points when playing, I pick based on what my character would do in that situation, not the colour.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2016 17:42:23 GMT
The Dark/Light thing is often completely batshit. The light option often being utterlly stupid or the dark option being lulz evil or counter productive.
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Post by masterwarderz on Aug 17, 2016 18:54:53 GMT
The Dark Side at its barest essence is a raw and primal thing.
It is the strength of the individual, the will of the individual, the worth of the individual given manifestation. All societies that revolve around it are based on merit, individual power, strength, worth. Is it evil? Well is nature evil? The Dark Side is imposition of the base Darwinism that once ruled all organic life. By the same measure, you do have literal degeneration from the Dark Side, its effects narcotic, its power blinding.
Combine that into the Sith mindset and the result is what the pedestrian will label 'lulz evil' when in truth it can be anything from simply acting in concert with how your religion demands you act, to being literally too fucked up on your own power to even act human anymore. The Dark Side is not a path for the moral, feeble or weak, it will consume them, crush them and grind them into nothingness.
Its strife, conflict, and struggle given tangible presence.
It will grant power, but you yourself must already have the capacity, the worth to master it, else even its adherents will be consumed by it.
Its a path of extreme risks for extreme rewards, of immense and total power but at the cost of body, mind and soul, and of course it has even more strings attached then I highlighted.
Ultimately though, I have noted in my exprience that the majority of people who complain about the Dark Side's presentation don't approach it with the proper lenses of focus.
The Dark Side is a path of strength, but it does not demand "evil" for the sake of evil, it demands strength, and commitment just as its lighter half does. Ultimately a individual Sith's behavior depend upon their era, culture, personality, and many other factors. They can be consumed by the Dark Side and utterly be a complete and utter sphere of destruction to everything around them, mindlessly killing, slaughtering and enslaving, but those are those in who in most cases are either too drunk on their own power to see how their minds have rotted away from overuse of the power, to how their own weakness is causing it to consume them.
I think Darth Vader summed it up aptly to the Jedi Knight Roan Shryne.
"Rage is my choice and strength and it is beyond anything you can comprehend." Note to actively employ the Dark Side you basically have to enrage yourself, its fueled by blood lust, anger, lust, fear, etc. Yet for some that can be simply a exercise is exerting their own personal trauma and using it for a battery, for others it will literally be the only thing they can focus on.
Like I said its ultimately a path of individual power, and its up to the individual to master it or be mastered by it.
That's the relation between a Sith and the Dark Side.
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Post by legbamel on Aug 17, 2016 19:37:28 GMT
I made almost exclusively eight-sided labeled choices at the beginning with my warrior as a way to needle and undermine Baras. Since I was forced to be his minion I found it satisfying to make him look weak whenever I could. In much of the rest if the game I went for pragmatism, which gave me a pretty grey ranking in the SWTOR system. Luckily he had Diplomacy so he ended up Dark V just in time to romance Theron.
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Post by Kaidan Fan on Aug 17, 2016 23:20:25 GMT
But I don't believe there is anything that says a Sith must be a bloodthristy, murdering lunatic. Since this isn't a spoiler I think we can dispense with the tags. See, this is a common misconception. You're right that not all Sith are bloodthirsty, murdering lunatics, but not in the way you mean it. The problem is that they're often portrayed as mindless "rawr kill evry1 ded" by writers either too lazy or too dumb to do their research. This is true in TOR as well, for both some choices the Sith PCs make and the NPCs we come across. This problem is compounded by the false dichotomy moral choice system which in games always results in choices coming down to "be a friend to all the children and fuzzy animals" or "feed them to a wood chipper, cackling" with very little middle ground. Even more so in a Star Wars game where that kind of thinking is kind of built in. But if you look past the games and lazy writing to the lore you'll find that Sith are much more subtle than that. It's not that they want to kill everyone, it's that they're building power to be free from any inhibition, including being able to kill anyone. They embrace their passions and reject absolutely all restrictions "Through victory, my chains are broken". They're also very social darwinist/ubermensch about it and ruling the galaxy comes from that and as a way to ensure no one ever tries to chain them again. It all comes down to the Sith Code- the proper Sith lives by it to the fullest. Peace is a lie, there is only passion - already you have to reject the light side to believe this since the light side is all about peace, harmony and the supression of passion in the pursuit of transcendance. Through pasion I gain strength - Passion, literally the way to draw on the dark side, by feeding your emotions is what fuels their power Through strength I gain power- through a Sith's personal strength they gain the ability to get what they want. Through power I gain victory- Ability becomes reality Through victory, my chains are broken- Reality means they are now unfettered. Thus, the Sith have to be dark side, by definition. Does that mean being a mindless berserker? No. Was Palpatine a mindless berserker? Or Dooku? Darth Bane routinely spared people where "there was no purpose in their death" but he was still by all definitions a complete monster. Now there may be a bit of a discrepancy between terms. "Light side sith" as you mean it may mean "pick all or most of the blue options" where some may be justifiable under Sith ways of thinking. This would be different from "light side sith" from a lore perspective which is literally a light side Force user that still calls himself Sith. I'm very much against the latter as something that could legitimately exist in a system such as the Sith Empire. The former may be rolled into that simply because I'm allergic to the term That being said I'm also not a fan of the "changing the empire from the inside" vibe a fully "all blue option" playthrough tries to push. I just flat out think it's nonsense and lip service wank, at least how it's presented. My agent is much better at "changing the empire from within" because she actually wants to get rid of the Sith or at least get them to stop micromanaging according to their insanity and just let people do their jobs. And at the end of the day my problem with the warrior remains- whether you pick blue or red you can't fully live up to the Sith code with him, you have to settle for being a minion. And now I'll end my rambling and let someone else speak I agree with most of that and the rest I will respectfully agree to disagree with you on and we can let it go at that. It is good to see everyones take on things though. Sometimes you learn a new thing or two. Thanks
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Post by Daemion on Aug 18, 2016 4:19:44 GMT
I wanted to post my characters here but halfway through I gave up because a. my Smuggler's shiny white pants show up as grey in the character select screen and she would never allow people to see her like that and b. my Inquisitor's hat/hood/mask/crown thingy doesn't fit on the screen and he's kinda demanding and self important. Can't show those pics to people, no way. Also, my Sage is still dressed like a pirate (Rishi was fun, okay?) which doesn't fit his Light V character at all. And yeah, I played through all of KotFE as a pirate ... healer. With an assassin droid. Light V though! Fun fact: I especially picked a very short and compact assault cannon for my Commando because BioWare often placed the camera behind the left shoulder of your character and no one noticed that this view is blocked by the barrel of the shouldered assault cannon. Great cutscenes, I wish I had seen them... Is it wrong that I think my female chars are hot enough to make out with them? I mean, I never would... but... my Sith Warrior... ahem. Of course, I picked female for all those classes where the female romance is totally cute. So I had to live vicariously through youtube. Thanks for making Star Wars completely straight, Lucas. -.- At least starting with Makeb I can flirt with same gender NPCs. Oh yeah. Some of my characters flirt with everyone. Funniest dialogue by far. Especially when they are shot down. I guess I shouldn't try to pick up a Lt. under attack by Killiks... My favourite characters for PvP are my Sage and when keeping 7 clueless suicide puppies alive is no longer fun, I switch to my PyroTech. I may have an unhealthy relationship with flames now... but omg, is it fun. With a healer backing me up I can keep the fire burning all night long. ^^ I play all my 8 chars in PvP though. Some less than others. I can't remember when I used my Operative the last time, these days he's stuck in the stronghold, running crewskill missions. Which is a fate that befalls all of them since I don't do all that much anymore. Btw... I don't like the official forums, they have no personality.
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Post by ibnshisha on Aug 18, 2016 11:19:16 GMT
Is it wrong that I think my female chars are hot enough to make out with them? I mean, I never would... but... my Sith Warrior... ahem. Of course, I picked female for all those classes where the female romance is totally cute. So I had to live vicariously through youtube. Thanks for making Star Wars completely straight, Lucas. -.- At least starting with Makeb I can flirt with same gender NPCs. That's one reason I mostly make female toons. The other being that I'm just better at making them - they all come out looking either hot or adorable. When I try making male toons they come out looking at best dorky, at worst deformed. My best male toons have been unintentional, like the ME2->ME3 'transfer' turning my mediocre Danny Trejo/Vote For Pedro Shepard into an amazing Shepard, P.I.
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Post by Dekibra on Aug 18, 2016 11:20:39 GMT
Is it wrong that I think my female chars are hot enough to make out with them? I mean, I never would... but... my Sith Warrior... ahem. Of course, I picked female for all those classes where the female romance is totally cute. So I had to live vicariously through youtube. Thanks for making Star Wars completely straight, Lucas. -.- At least starting with Makeb I can flirt with same gender NPCs. That's one reason I mostly make female toons. The other being that I'm just better at making them - they all come out looking either hot or adorable. When I try making male toons they come out looking at best dorky, at worst deformed. My best male toons have been unintentional, like the ME2->ME3 'transfer' turning my mediocre Danny Trejo/Vote For Pedro Shepard into an amazing Shepard, P.I. Pics or it didn't happen
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Post by CrutchCricket on Aug 18, 2016 13:39:14 GMT
Is it wrong that I think my female chars are hot enough to make out with them? It's not only right, it's mandatory. If you're making characters of the gender you're attracted to and they're not attractive, you're doing it wrong. My IA is sexy as fuck. Helps that she's got the best female PC voice in the game, maybe even the best female voice overall. Hard to choose between Jo Wyatt and Laura Bailey. As for flirts in general, best and funniest, the smuggler naturally takes the cake, especially once Risha starts getting involved. She really hates it if you flirt in front of her, particularly if it's someone she knows. As for doomed flirts, it doesn't get more hopeless than trying to chat up Jedi... twice.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2016 13:48:29 GMT
Im not gonna be able to play this game for weeks I swear haha Its just downloading patches... I finished a 11gb one just to get hit by an 18gb one... its just stupid haha... for whatever reason my Internet speed is locked at like 100kb/sec even though I know its faster I even did a speed test and it was MUCH faster... its gonna take FOREVER... I have it downloading every waking minute but its just getting nowhere... and the green bar which says overall progress is just stupidly low even though ive installed like 15gb already total Im hoping to be able to play by the end of the month... hoping
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Post by Babar Guy on Aug 18, 2016 13:48:37 GMT
I'd totally let my main Sorc fry me with her force lightning, if ya know what I mean. I wouldn't mind getting a kick to the groin from my Gunslinger either Or get Ravaged by my Marauder
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Post by CrutchCricket on Aug 18, 2016 14:08:49 GMT
Dat Sensuous dress. So glad I finally scrounged the coin for it last year. The prices are ridiculous now.
When it came out it was 300k. I thought that was too much (yeah, lol, I know). Last year it was 3 mil at least. Now it's like 30.
Ridiculous.
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Post by Babar Guy on Aug 18, 2016 14:29:13 GMT
I ended up paying something like I think 5-7 mil (can't remember exactly) for it just prior to KOTFE starting last year. About the same for the Revan Reborn greaves and then the black + black dye on top of that.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Aug 18, 2016 14:56:33 GMT
The prices for these are atrocious. It's EA being greedy as fuck, some players being greedy as fuck, and the rest of us are left in teh gutter. Stupid cash shop is the only thing getting regular updates and they're still not available to most players unless they pay out the ass.
I won't be missing this when I'm done for good.
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Post by Daemion on Aug 18, 2016 16:47:14 GMT
Im not gonna be able to play this game for weeks I swear haha Its just downloading patches... I finished a 11gb one just to get hit by an 18gb one... its just stupid haha... for whatever reason my Internet speed is locked at like 100kb/sec even though I know its faster I even did a speed test and it was MUCH faster... its gonna take FOREVER... I have it downloading every waking minute but its just getting nowhere... and the green bar which says overall progress is just stupidly low even though ive installed like 15gb already total Im hoping to be able to play by the end of the month... hoping That sounds like BitRaider is the problem. Check your installed programs and see if SW:TOR installed BitRaider on your system. If yes, then your client is getting updates as a stream instead of regular downloads. That can be fixed though. Problem is, that fix will result in having to re-download the entire game, although at maximum speed. BitRaider fix
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2016 17:00:06 GMT
Thank you Daemion
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Post by ibnshisha on Aug 18, 2016 18:30:34 GMT
That's one reason I mostly make female toons. The other being that I'm just better at making them - they all come out looking either hot or adorable. When I try making male toons they come out looking at best dorky, at worst deformed. My best male toons have been unintentional, like the ME2->ME3 'transfer' turning my mediocre Danny Trejo/Vote For Pedro Shepard into an amazing Shepard, P.I. Pics or it didn't happen Well, the me2 one took some digging, but, here you go: Before After
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Post by CitizenChris on Aug 18, 2016 19:00:51 GMT
Exposing and embarassing Darmas was fun to record.
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Post by PhroX on Aug 18, 2016 19:44:01 GMT
Exposing and embarassing Darmas was fun to record. I'd forgotten just how good scenes like that were....Ah dammit, I'm gonna have to play a smuggler again aren't I?
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Post by legbamel on Aug 18, 2016 22:56:36 GMT
Yes. Yes you are.
I swear, the male faces almost all suck and the body type changes do odd things to them. Switching from type 2 to type 3 gets you this huge jaw that distorts the whole thing. I think I've managed one really hot male character thus far and probably a dozen really attractive females. (I am really going to have to post some screenshots!)
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