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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Feb 12, 2019 15:59:21 GMT
Yepp here women in army can wear haircut as "normal" as Cora's. Also I thought most of the models and faces looked far worse in the trilogy, especially the NPC's.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Feb 12, 2019 16:01:31 GMT
The military occupation thing isn't really that true though because final release Cora still has that huge-ass swath of hair covering half her forehead/dipping to her eye-line. I've only ever seen a hairstyle like Cora has in the game on activist-type women IRL and Cora being military would never be part of that scene, so it really makes zero sense when you think about it. My impression was that the Andromeda Initative was non-military, so she could do what she wanted with her hair. Yeah the AI was just a civilian organisation.
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Post by alanc9 on Feb 12, 2019 17:50:10 GMT
There will always be an activist against whatever is the current status-quo, so by definition activists cannot win. Sure, there would be an activist faction demanding everyone go back to the patriarchy or some such, but Cora's haircut can't possibly signal membership in that faction. If you're gonna troll, you need to try harder.
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Post by aweigh0101 on Feb 12, 2019 20:13:23 GMT
i assure you that me thinking that released-version Cora being uglier than the pre-release version is NOT trolling. I asked here what you guys thought about the change because i've read many interesting theories elsewhere as to why this happened but I refuse to believe them because they paint BioWare devs in a bad light. I'd rather believe the devs making my games have our best interests at heart
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 12, 2019 20:34:50 GMT
i assure you that me thinking that released-version Cora being uglier than the pre-release version is NOT trolling. I asked here what you guys thought about the change because i've read many interesting theories elsewhere as to why this happened but I refuse to believe them because they paint BioWare devs in a bad light. I'd rather believe the devs making my games have our best interests at heart No, you never asked us our opinions about the change. You asked why she was made ugly. You've shown your hand, so too late to change your story now.
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Post by Sundance31us on Feb 12, 2019 21:07:32 GMT
If you're on PC I'm sure that there's a mod out there to change her appearance.
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Post by alanc9 on Feb 12, 2019 22:42:53 GMT
i assure you that me thinking that released-version Cora being uglier than the pre-release version is NOT trolling. I asked here what you guys thought about the change because i've read many interesting theories elsewhere as to why this happened but I refuse to believe them because they paint BioWare devs in a bad light. I'd rather believe the devs making my games have our best interests at heart *shrugs* Wasn't talking about your taste in companion looks; that's not interesting enough for me to talk about. But you were trying to extract meaning from Cora's looks in a way that was either trolling or stupid. I'm a charitable guy, and I figured interpreting it as trolling was nicer than interpreting it as stupid. Speaking of which, your second paragraph is a good exercise in concern trolling. Well played. I suppose this is the part where we ask about those "interesting theories," right?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 23:58:26 GMT
i assure you that me thinking that released-version Cora being uglier than the pre-release version is NOT trolling. I asked here what you guys thought about the change because i've read many interesting theories elsewhere as to why this happened but I refuse to believe them because they paint BioWare devs in a bad light. I'd rather believe the devs making my games have our best interests at heart I think it's you who are trying to put the devs into a bad light. IRL, I had a co-worker who wore her hair in a similar way. She was a 40-something housewife, with kids, a suburban home, and a regular 9 to 5 job.... oh, and that was about 30 years ago now. She was certainly no activist. People come in all shapes and sizes and hairstyles... just deal with it. IMO, Cora is rather pretty... and everyhting she says and does in the game indicates she's not an activist either.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2019 0:30:05 GMT
If you're on PC I'm sure that there's a mod out there to change her appearance. I'd bet that the OP's so-called pics are the product of such a mod... not something legitimately showing pre-release character models.
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Post by Sundance31us on Feb 13, 2019 0:36:35 GMT
If you're on PC I'm sure that there's a mod out there to change her appearance. I'd bet that the OP's so-called pics are the product of such a mod... not something legitimately showing pre-release character models. No, I checked when he first posted them...
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Feb 13, 2019 4:17:26 GMT
If you're on PC I'm sure that there's a mod out there to change her appearance. I'd bet that the OP's so-called pics are the product of such a mod... not something legitimately showing pre-release character models. Well there weer rumours that there were a few design changes before the game released I do remember hearing that however I don't remember anyone saying why but my guess is the asme probably the hair physics system being one of them and the hair potentially clipping a lot or something. Not that it would bother me that much due to playing with a lot of hairstyle mods in these sorts of games anyway and the ycan clip quite a lot depending on the style but it may bother others which was why they changed it. As for her general face I don't know.
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Post by Sharable Horizon on Feb 13, 2019 14:28:16 GMT
Hi Luzarius!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2019 18:46:54 GMT
I'd bet that the OP's so-called pics are the product of such a mod... not something legitimately showing pre-release character models. Well there weer rumours that there were a few design changes before the game released I do remember hearing that however I don't remember anyone saying why but my guess is the asme probably the hair physics system being one of them and the hair potentially clipping a lot or something. Not that it would bother me that much due to playing with a lot of hairstyle mods in these sorts of games anyway and the ycan clip quite a lot depending on the style but it may bother others which was why they changed it. As for her general face I don't know. I'd be surprised if there weren't changes made... that's a common enough occurrence. I just really doubt the image posted is legitimately of those changes and has not been enhanced or altered in any way. The image itself just doesn't look quite right to me. For one thing, unless they did a whole reorganization of the gameplay order, you never pick up PeeBee and Jaal before picking up Vetra.
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Post by alanc9 on Feb 13, 2019 18:58:28 GMT
I dunno. That pic has the bland forgettability I'd expect to find in placeholder art.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2019 20:08:59 GMT
I dunno. That pic has the bland forgettability I'd expect to find in placeholder art. Does it even matter? It doesn't change my opinion about Cora's appearance in the game. I find her reasonably pretty. She has a lovely smile. To me, her hair doesn't signify anything other than reminding me of my former co-worker. You all can imagine whatever meaning you want into it. Unless the devs state their specific reasons, it's all just fandom speculation... which tends to run rampant here, IMO.
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Post by Iddy on Feb 14, 2019 13:12:30 GMT
i assure you that me thinking that released-version Cora being uglier than the pre-release version is NOT trolling. I asked here what you guys thought about the change because i've read many interesting theories elsewhere as to why this happened but I refuse to believe them because they paint BioWare devs in a bad light. I'd rather believe the devs making my games have our best interests at heart No, you never asked us our opinions about the change. You asked why she was made ugly. You've shown your hand, so too late to change your story now. Don't be politically incorrect, people. Everyone is beautiful
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Post by aweigh0101 on Feb 15, 2019 6:24:06 GMT
I assure you that pic is legit, or at the very least it hasn't been tampered with by me. For god knows what reason the devs decided to to ugly-fy the characters, including the black guy and the asarian Peebee as well. Their faces were also made much uglier than the "placeholder art".
Why? Isn't the job of the devs to make good content?
EDIT: I read that the blackguy's placeholder model was based off Donald Glover so that may have to do with why the changed it for release-version, however still doesn't explain why a placeholder model is 10x better than the released black guy.
Also means it's possible the pre-release Cora model was based off an actress/celebrity/model as well, which would also explain the change... but again, WHY would the end-product be SO UGLY?
I've read from interview with Gaider and the char designer that they wanted the chars to look like "real people", but in the real world there are pretty people with good haircuts so...
I mean, would you rather play a game with normal-to-good-looking people or with chars designed specifically to disgust u? Why even use placeholder models of attractive people in the first place then?
Sigh, I guess we'll never know. I only hope Bio devs learned from this mistake and next ME game has proper looking women and men in it instead of chars designed to suit their personal interests or indictments on "beauty".
AND BEFORE U ANSWER REMEMBER WHAT I SAID: In the real world there ARE ALSO PRETTY PPL TOO, so being "real" does NOT equal being UGLY!!!!!
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Feb 15, 2019 8:02:30 GMT
Wait wait.. where is this from? Seems familiar..
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Post by Pounce de León on Feb 15, 2019 9:36:48 GMT
Wait wait.. where is this from? Seems familiar.. A modern take on Heidi?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 11:35:15 GMT
I assure you that pic is legit, or at the very least it hasn't been tampered with by me. For god knows what reason the devs decided to to ugly-fy the characters, including the black guy and the asarian Peebee as well. Their faces were also made much uglier than the "placeholder art". Why? Isn't the job of the devs to make good content? EDIT: I read that the blackguy's placeholder model was based off Donald Glover so that may have to do with why the changed it for release-version, however still doesn't explain why a placeholder model is 10x better than the released black guy. Also means it's possible the pre-release Cora model was based off an actress/celebrity/model as well, which would also explain the change... but again, WHY would the end-product be SO UGLY? I've read from interview with Gaider and the char designer that they wanted the chars to look like "real people", but in the real world there are pretty people with good haircuts so... I mean, would you rather play a game with normal-to-good-looking people or with chars designed specifically to disgust u? Why even use placeholder models of attractive people in the first place then? Sigh, I guess we'll never know. I only hope Bio devs learned from this mistake and next ME game has proper looking women and men in it instead of chars designed to suit their personal interests or indictments on "beauty". AND BEFORE U ANSWER REMEMBER WHAT I SAID: In the real world there ARE ALSO PRETTY PPL TOO, so being "real" does NOT equal being UGLY!!!!! Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I don't consider any of the characters you mention as they finally appeared in the game to be ugly, period.
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Post by Shinobu on Feb 15, 2019 12:35:51 GMT
Well, I give you credit for searching for alternatives to the "interesting theories" being peddled elsewhere.
"I mean, would you rather play a game with normal-to-good-looking people or with chars designed specifically to disgust u?"
I did play a game with normal to good looking people and the characters were not specifically designed to disgust anyone. That is not an interesting theory; that is ridiculous. If you didn't find them personally attractive, that's reasonable, but don't listen to conspiracy theories.
If Bioware were trying to make women unattractive to male players, they would have given them frumpy outfits instead of skintight catsuits and midriff-baring leather jackets.
Personally, I'm glad Cora and Peebee look the way they do and not like this art. I found default Scott's douchebag hairstytle offputting at first, but once I got to know the character I just find him lovable now.
My personal theory for the unfortunate default Sara appearance is that Bioware tried to save money by reusing Scott's mocapped facial animations on Sara and put her mesh on a scaled down version of his bone structure, leading to the fish-eye lens effect.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 15, 2019 15:50:13 GMT
Wait wait.. where is this from? Seems familiar.. Sound of the Sky
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Feb 15, 2019 15:50:59 GMT
Wait wait.. where is this from? Seems familiar.. It's from sora no woto.
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Post by aweigh0101 on Feb 15, 2019 22:41:50 GMT
It's not really "objective" though, it's pretty obvious men and female chars in ME1-3 were all-around more appealling than the ones in ME: Andromeda. Why? Why did the devs talent suddenly dry up? Anyone know? Did they put a new team who's never worked on games before for Andromeda? Do you guys want the Andromeda team to work on the upcoming ME game that was recently rumored? I know I don't... well, at least not the guys on the team responsible for the char-designs. They should only let men design the female chars and women design the male chars, that way we'll get appealling char-models for everyone cos of natural biological instincts at work Well, in any case, i stopped playing Andromeda a few days ago mostly because I'm playing a straight male char and having only Cora as the only romance option was too depressing and it sucked out all the joy of playing. I understand now those people who post about wanting to have a bigger representation of romance chars in games, cos only having one shitty option that doesn't click for you, that you're diametrically opposed to, is really bad for the enjoyment.
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