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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 15, 2019 23:39:15 GMT
It's not really "objective" though, it's pretty obvious men and female chars in ME1-3 were all-around more appealling than the ones in ME: Andromeda. Why? Why did the devs talent suddenly dry up? Anyone know? Did they put a new team who's never worked on games before for Andromeda? Do you guys want the Andromeda team to work on the upcoming ME game that was recently rumored? I know I don't... well, at least not the guys on the team responsible for the char-designs. They should only let men design the female chars and women design the male chars, that way we'll get appealling char-models for everyone cos of natural biological instincts at work  Well, in any case, i stopped playing Andromeda a few days ago mostly because I'm playing a straight male char and having only Cora as the only romance option was too depressing and it sucked out all the joy of playing. I understand now those people who post about wanting to have a bigger representation of romance chars in games, cos only having one shitty option that doesn't click for you, that you're diametrically opposed to, is really bad for the enjoyment. 
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Post by alanc9 on Feb 16, 2019 0:18:00 GMT
Only option? How do you figure that?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 0:51:08 GMT
It's not really "objective" though, it's pretty obvious men and female chars in ME1-3 were all-around more appealling than the ones in ME: Andromeda. Why? Why did the devs talent suddenly dry up? Anyone know? Did they put a new team who's never worked on games before for Andromeda? Do you guys want the Andromeda team to work on the upcoming ME game that was recently rumored? I know I don't... well, at least not the guys on the team responsible for the char-designs. They should only let men design the female chars and women design the male chars, that way we'll get appealling char-models for everyone cos of natural biological instincts at work Well, in any case, i stopped playing Andromeda a few days ago mostly because I'm playing a straight male char and having only Cora as the only romance option was too depressing and it sucked out all the joy of playing. I understand now those people who post about wanting to have a bigger representation of romance chars in games, cos only having one shitty option that doesn't click for you, that you're diametrically opposed to, is really bad for the enjoyment. I agree, your opinion to totally NOT objective. It's subjective. You might want to make use of a dictionary before you start flinging about terms when you don't have a great grasp of their meaning. The old adage that I quoted: "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder" is saying that the perception of beauty is a totally subjective thing. As for the rest of your posts, they are basically garbage speculation. You have no evidence of what the devs' motives were. No quotes from them... bupkis (which means nothing). You can't even prove that the image was never altered... you can only say that you didn't alter it yourself.
So, the "logic" of your argument fails on so many levels, it's not even funny. The team that worked on Andromeda was moved to EA Motive and the Montreal office of Bioware was closed, so it's highly unlikely that they will be working on the next ME game anyways... so, that part of post is entirely pointless as well.
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Post by aweigh0101 on Feb 16, 2019 1:00:49 GMT
Why do you think the image of the placeholder char-models is fake? You really had never seen it before? You can verify all of this yourself by googling. It was literally the first thing that popped up when I started googling why Cora was so ugly.
EDIT: Also beauty is not in the eye of the beholder because they've made tests where babies prefer pictures of asymmetrical faces over faces that aren't, so there you go, debunked. There IS a formula to "beauty".
Next!
EDIT 2: Also it's bupkis.
EDIT 3: Anyway I think we should all try to get along. We can just agree to disagree (except on beauty being subjective, though, because of the baby tests I mentioned).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 3:03:18 GMT
Why do you think the image of the placeholder char-models is fake? You really had never seen it before? You can verify all of this yourself by googling. It was literally the first thing that popped up when I started googling why Cora was so ugly. EDIT: Also beauty is not in the eye of the beholder because they've made tests where babies prefer pictures of asymmetrical faces over faces that aren't, so there you go, debunked. There IS a formula to "beauty". Next! EDIT 2: Also it's bupkis. EDIT 3: Anyway I think we should all try to get along. We can just agree to disagree (except on beauty being subjective, though, because of the baby tests I mentioned). It's not up to me to prove your argument. It's up to you. You still can't produce anything where the devs state their motivations for choosing one character model over another. You're speculating without foundation.
As for the alleged babies test. It's still not objective... babies have different preferences too. One will spit their pablum back at you and another will chow it right down without a problem. They have personalities. They're human. Also, it's proof of nothing since you're not actually citing the test report... just spreading another rumor off the top of your head. (ETA: Also, I'm quite confident the test babies were never shown images of Cora, so whether or not she would be pretty or ugly in their opinions is an unknown. IRL, most faces are somewhat assymetrical. Cora's facial features are fairly symmetrical. It's her hair that is not symmetrical, but neither is any hairstyle parted on one side of the head rather than in the middle. Furthermore, lots of women wear ponytails pulled off to the side or long hairdos swept over to one side, which is also asymmetrical).
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I didn't write that adage. It's been around for centuries.
ETA: Also, I answered why I'm suspicious of the "placeholder" art. Why is there no placeholder for Vetra? She's the first squadmate you acquire after Cora and Liam. The silhouette shown is obviously perfectly hers.
I have stated categorically that I don't find the characters in ME:A ugly. That's my opinion, period. I agree, it's not objective. It's subjective. The same as your opinion is. (Over the course of this exchange, I've also developed a few opinions about you... but, trust me, you don't want to hear those). Bye.
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Post by melbella on Feb 16, 2019 18:09:42 GMT
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Post by Quickpaw on Feb 16, 2019 18:23:12 GMT
Considering that the previous picture has a customization screen for armor fiddling; that is CLEARLY a Ryder preset they used to placehold for Cora's squad icon, not a previous version of Cora herself.
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Post by aweigh0101 on Feb 16, 2019 22:38:54 GMT
Why's the Ryder preset better than Cora then? Still haven't seen anyone explain why the devs did such a bad job here. Perhaps it is best the "mods" closed this thread or whatever, there is nothing more to be discussed here. I think the char-designs in Andromeda are very, very, very bad, and insulting to fans of the series, and you guys think they're good. Got it. It's nothing to lose sleep over. I recommend we all move on and enjoy life instead of wasting time arguing about this or getting angry, or trying to "win"; those kind of emotional exercises only lead to bad things. One shouldn't try to "win" over other people, it's aggressive and oppressive to others. |
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Post by alanc9 on Feb 17, 2019 3:31:26 GMT
Well, I'm not qualified to explain that since I don't think it was a bad job in the first place. You'll have to find someone who agrees with you to take that on.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Feb 17, 2019 17:47:36 GMT
Well there weer rumours that there were a few design changes before the game released I do remember hearing that however I don't remember anyone saying why but my guess is the asme probably the hair physics system being one of them and the hair potentially clipping a lot or something. Not that it would bother me that much due to playing with a lot of hairstyle mods in these sorts of games anyway and the ycan clip quite a lot depending on the style but it may bother others which was why they changed it. As for her general face I don't know. .. that's a common enough occurrence. I just really doubt the image posted is legitimately of those changes and has not been enhanced or altered in any way. The image itself just doesn't look quite right to me. For one thing, unless they did a whole reorganization of the gameplay order, you never pick up PeeBee and Jaal before picking up Vetra. So would I but what I meant was because Liam and Cora were the last 2 companions to be revealed to us during the marketing for MEA before it came out and I suspect that is because they were undergoing further changes than some of the other characters. I don't have any problems with how the characters look either but there it is.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 20:13:55 GMT
I'd be surprised if there weren't changes made... that's a common enough occurrence. I just really doubt the image posted is legitimately of those changes and has not been enhanced or altered in any way. The image itself just doesn't look quite right to me. For one thing, unless they did a whole reorganization of the gameplay order, you never pick up PeeBee and Jaal before picking up Vetra. So would I but what I meant was because Liam and Cora were the last 2 companions to be revealed to us during the marketing for MEA before it came out and I suspect that is because they were undergoing further changes than some of the other characters. I don't have any problems with how the characters look either but there it is. It still doesn't address why there would be absolutely no image shown for Vetra, just the silhouette. In the game, that screen would never show a Vetra silhouette with filled in pictures of PeeBee and Jaal because Vetra is taken on as a squadmate before either of those two.
As I said, it would be no surprise to me if they changed the appearances of any of them. That happens for a variety of reasons. I'm not about to start guessing as to what Bioware's reasons might have been to make such changes... let alone accuse them of making changes that they don't at least feel are "in the best interests" of the game and its players... which is what the OP is accusing them of doing. The OP's argument, therefore, has no foundation; particularly when one considers that Cora's beauty is subjective. The OP was literally shouting that she's SO UGLY... but, she's not. At worst, she's average looking. Her facial features are proportionate and reasonably symmetrical. She has, IMO, an absolutely lovely smile. Yes, her hairstyle is assymetrical, but assymetrical hairstyles have been around for ages and lots of pretty people wear them. The OP is entitled to dislike her appearance... but accusing the devs of deliberately doing something "not in the best interest" of the game is, quite frankly, going too far. \
As I also said earlier in the thread, it doesn't matter whether or not I remain skeptical about the image being legit. Cora is as she is in the game... and I'm OK with that. Since the OP isn't, he/she does possibly have the option to use a mod that changes her appearance for himself/herself. I certainly won't care what his/her motivations are for doing so.
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Post by alanc9 on Feb 18, 2019 15:20:20 GMT
I'm not a big fan of Cora's looks myself, honestly. But I'll take release Cora over the prerelease placeholder, any time. I can't even remember what the placeholder looked like unless I go back to page 1 of this thread.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Feb 19, 2019 2:40:11 GMT
Personally I like Cora's in-game look over the "placeholder" image you showed, but again, that's subjective and a matter of opinion. I think it's difficult to prove that there devs objectively did "worse" in the in-game model, as I find to technical aspects of the character design to be more life-like than the placeholder image.
As for your "baby tests"... Do you think babies choose things because they find them more attractive? That's an odd takeaway of that experiment.
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Feb 19, 2019 16:06:09 GMT
I've only ever seen a hairstyle like Cora has in the game on activist-type women IRL and Cora being military would never be part of that scene, so it really makes zero sense when you think about it. To pull this off successfully, you can't shoehorn in the activist politics stuff yourself. Have a bit of dignity! Keep it together long enough to get through the first page, at least. If you'd done it right, someone else would have made the political connection for you, and then you'd be set for at least a page or two before you had to put any actual effort in. Note bien: I am not encouraging you to engage in trolling, I'm only saying that if you're going to do so, you should at least put the minimum of effort into doing it right.
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Post by ComedicSociopathy on Feb 20, 2019 3:32:48 GMT
I seriously have to believe that the OP is just being a troll because if their serious than I have nothing but pity for their emotional-stunted and shallow as fuck excuse for a soul.
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Post by ArcadiaGrey on Feb 20, 2019 11:18:33 GMT
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