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Post by Iddy on Jun 5, 2020 17:27:02 GMT
In many ways, the idea that Merrill is an innocent puppy is a misconception that both fans and the other companions share.
She shows interest in sex in many party banters, which reminds us that she isn't a child. She can be sarcastic when she wants to be and knows how to defend herself from insults. And her goal with the mirror involves a concept of "The end justifies the means", which is unwise but a mature theme regardless.
If she seems clueless or a little slow, that's simply because she is out of her element as a Dalish elf living in the city. The DA2 companions and part of the fandom see a cute little flower because they're only looking at the surface.
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Post by Sifr on Jun 21, 2020 12:15:41 GMT
In many ways, the idea that Merrill is an innocent puppy is a misconception that both fans and the other companions share. She shows interest in sex in many party banters, which reminds us that she isn't a child. She can be sarcastic when she wants to be and knows how to defend herself from insults. And her goal with the mirror involves a concept of "The end justifies the means", which is unwise but a mature theme regardless. If she seems clueless or a little slow, that's simply because she is out of her element as a Dalish elf living in the city. The DA2 companions and part of the fandom see a cute little flower because they're only looking at the surface. At the risk of igniting another debate regarding the "Unreliable Narrator" aspect to DA2, Merrill's fluctuating characterisation throughout the game could lend credence to the notion that Varric may have skewed his portrayal of certain companions based on his perceptions and feelings towards them (especially in the case of Anders), as well as how he might have wanted to portray them to Cassandra.
After all, Varric would be trying to convince the Seeker interrogating him that his close friend, a maleficar who has freely consorted with demons and been obsessively tinkering with a magic mirror for several years, wasn't dangerous despite of all of the above reasons giving her ample reason to think so. Wouldn't he have had a better chance of convincing Cassandra that Merrill wasn't dangerous by playing up her sweetness, absent-mindedness and innocence?
By painting her as someone who wouldn't hurt a fly, Varric could downplay her more questionable activities as the result of Merrill being naive, reckless and largely unaware of the danger of what she was doing. When in reality, she knew what she was doing was dangerous and chose to do it anyway, which is why during her personal quests, she appears more mature, less meek and fully cognisent of the consequences of her actions.
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Post by Iddy on Jul 24, 2020 17:14:38 GMT
cribbian I've seen some... similar Merrill art recently. And on model.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 23, 2020 23:53:26 GMT
Out of curiosity, if Merrill was part of Dragon Age: Inquisition, what choices do you all think she would support throughout the game?
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Aug 24, 2020 13:26:12 GMT
Out of curiosity, if Merrill was part of Dragon Age: Inquisition, what choices do you all think she would support throughout the game? I think because she's a mage she would support having the mages as allies, however I feel she wouldn't object to seeking out the Templars, but have no approval loss or gain if allying with them
During in your heart shall burn she'd approve of the Inquisitor saving the lives of the civilians at Haven.
As for the Inquisitor themselves, approves if standing as an elf/mage or standing for order, disapproving for a selfish (my own power) Inquisitor
the Wardens...I'm not sure, I think she'd have the same approval rating as Varric (aka. depending on who's left in the Fade, especially if romanced by Hawke)
in Halamshiral...I think she'd support getting Celene + Briala together, or maybe the three way truce
Well of Sorrows...I think she'd approve of the Inquisitor drinking from the Well, mostly because imo. I think she'd feel irritated with Morrigan acting like she knows more about elven history then she does.
As for Trespasser...err...not sure how she'd feel about finding out Solas is Fen'Harel I do feel like she'd be both very interested and shaken by what the Inquisitor uncovers in the Crossroads Like everyone else (except Cole) she'd likely disapprove of a romanced Lavellan saying "I have to save him"
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Post by Buckeldemon on Sept 2, 2020 2:04:44 GMT
Out of curiosity, if Merrill was part of Dragon Age: Inquisition, what choices do you all think she would support throughout the game? LadyofNemesis covered quite a few things already, and I concur with most points made, except for the "declaration for order", this one should be more neutral (no change) in light of how the phrase is used by characters like Cassandra or Cullen. (Yep, I know we had that debate already. ) Well, Well of Sorrows... I know that Merrill is rather indifferent about race, but I'm not sure how she would react to a non-elven Inquisitor who is otherwise pretty dismissive of elven culture gobbling it all up. Possibly in connection with the temple rituals? What about the judgements? I suppose Merrill would not take kindly if someone's made Tranquil How would she react to the options for Denam/Alexius or Blackwall?
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Post by Sonya on Sept 7, 2020 20:29:30 GMT
At the risk of igniting another debate regarding the "Unreliable Narrator" aspect to DA2, Merrill's fluctuating characterisation throughout the game could lend credence to the notion that Varric may have skewed his portrayal of certain companions based on his perceptions and feelings towards them (especially in the case of Anders), as well as how he might have wanted to portray them to Cassandra.
After all, Varric would be trying to convince the Seeker interrogating him that his close friend, a maleficar who has freely consorted with demons and been obsessively tinkering with a magic mirror for several years, wasn't dangerous despite of all of the above reasons giving her ample reason to think so. Wouldn't he have had a better chance of convincing Cassandra that Merrill wasn't dangerous by playing up her sweetness, absent-mindedness and innocence?
By painting her as someone who wouldn't hurt a fly, Varric could downplay her more questionable activities as the result of Merrill being naive, reckless and largely unaware of the danger of what she was doing. When in reality, she knew what she was doing was dangerous and chose to do it anyway, which is why during her personal quests, she appears more mature, less meek and fully cognisent of the consequences of her actions. Very good explanation for difference btw DAO Merrill and DA2 Merrill: "Varric told" (if remember Beth in the beginning...). Been thinking myself how can explain such changes with Merrill in DA2 and here it is: Varric. But presenting blood mage messing around with demons (spirits) as sweet, naive, innocent and absent-minded to the Seeker - not the best move from Varric. In Seeker's place I would have been very concerned that such blood mage is living in the city as naive and absent-minded mage is as well dangerous as mature and evil one e.g. And that mature Merrill is indeed showed only in act 3 and only some PBs in all three acts.
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Post by vertigomez on Sept 19, 2020 18:01:21 GMT
Hullo Merrillmancers,
Do you prefer romancing Merrill with a mage or non-mage Hawke, and between Carver and Bethany who do you think she has more interesting interactions with? Trying to settle on what kinda Hawke to friendmance her with.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 24, 2020 17:35:56 GMT
Hullo Merrillmancers, Do you prefer romancing Merrill with a mage or non-mage Hawke, and between Carver and Bethany who do you think she has more interesting interactions with? Trying to settle on what kinda Hawke to friendmance her with. I don't have a preference with Hawke's class, though I do like her interactions with Bethany more than Carver.
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Post by kalreegar on Sept 25, 2020 8:57:28 GMT
I hate Merrill, I can't stand her.
She is an intelligent and sensitive woman, but with the experience of the world of a kindergarten child. Instead of listening to the advice of those who know better (even Anders!), she is nothing but capricious dumbass and always acts thoughtlessly. She flaunts knowledge and maturity when she wants something, and her being a naive puppy with big sweet watery eyes when she want to fascinate someone, like a 13-year-old girl who thinks she's clever.
She risks having her whole clan killed for her selfish obsession.
Cutting her down on the Gallows' stairs is one of the most satisfying moments of the whole dragon age trilogy.
But she's hot, I'll give you that.
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Post by Catilina on Sept 25, 2020 13:02:01 GMT
I hate Merrill, I can't stand her. She is an intelligent and sensitive woman, but with the experience of the world of a kindergarten child. Instead of listening to the advice of those who know better (even Anders!), she is nothing but capricious dumbass and always acts thoughtlessly. She flaunts knowledge and maturity when she wants something, and her being a naive puppy with big sweet watery eyes when she want to fascinate someone, like a 13-year-old girl who thinks she's clever. She risks having her whole clan killed for her selfish obsession. Cutting her down on the Gallows' stairs is one of the most satisfying moments of the whole dragon age trilogy. But she's hot, I'll give you that. Marethari endangered her clan, when her duty was to protect it. Merrill is much wiser that Marethari, it proved. Anders should listen to her about the spirits – but Anders has his Andrastian Circle mage limitations – the Circle shaped him, that almost 20 years he spent inside, doesn't disappear without trace. When he warns Merrill, he speaks honestly, but Merrill knows what she does. Also: no hatred here. Merrill is more than a "hot girl" – to reduce her to her mere exterior is just very superficial. When Merrill turns against Hawke in end-game, she's BRILLIANT. I don't have this end, but I watched on YouTube. She's strong and right.
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Post by kalreegar on Sept 25, 2020 14:19:23 GMT
I hate Merrill, I can't stand her. She is an intelligent and sensitive woman, but with the experience of the world of a kindergarten child. Instead of listening to the advice of those who know better (even Anders!), she is nothing but capricious dumbass and always acts thoughtlessly. She flaunts knowledge and maturity when she wants something, and her being a naive puppy with big sweet watery eyes when she want to fascinate someone, like a 13-year-old girl who thinks she's clever. She risks having her whole clan killed for her selfish obsession. Cutting her down on the Gallows' stairs is one of the most satisfying moments of the whole dragon age trilogy. But she's hot, I'll give you that. Marethari endanger her clan, when her duty was to protect it. Merrill is much wiser that Marethari, it proved. Anders should listen to her about the spirits – but Anders has his Andrastian Circle mage limitations – the Circle shaped him, that almost 20 years he spent inside, doesn't disappear without trace. When he warns Merrill, he speaks honestly, but Merrill knows what she does. Also: no hatred here. Merrill is more than a "hot girl" – to reduce her to her mere exterior is just very superficial. When Merrill turns against Hawke in end-game, she's BRILLIANT. I don't have this end, but I watched on YouTube. She's strong and right. I've said that she is intelligent and sensitive. Wise? Not even close. Is she brave? Yes, in particular in the path where sh turns against Hawke (on the other hand staying loyal to a full rival Hawke that is supportig the templars is terrible... that gameplay mechanic was awful). But she is also unscrupulous, selfish, and uses her naivety both as a weapon and as an excuse. Anders has his faults, he's stubborn as a mule as well, but at least he is fighting for something that can be understood, something generous and noble, something that he truly believs is going to improve the lives of thousands of mages. I executed Anders, but I have always respected him a lot. Merrill acts to satisfy her own curiosity and prove to herself that she can handle and master certain dangerous magical crap. Nothing to respect here. Marethari... well, I'd say she is another bright example of excellent self-management by free mages?
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Post by Catilina on Sept 25, 2020 15:06:10 GMT
Marethari endanger her clan, when her duty was to protect it. Merrill is much wiser that Marethari, it proved. Anders should listen to her about the spirits – but Anders has his Andrastian Circle mage limitations – the Circle shaped him, that almost 20 years he spent inside, doesn't disappear without trace. When he warns Merrill, he speaks honestly, but Merrill knows what she does. Also: no hatred here. Merrill is more than a "hot girl" – to reduce her to her mere exterior is just very superficial. When Merrill turns against Hawke in end-game, she's BRILLIANT. I don't have this end, but I watched on YouTube. She's strong and right. I've said that she is intelligent and sensitive. Wise? Not even close. Is she brave? Yes, in particular in the path where sh turns against Hawke (on the other hand staying loyal to a full rival Hawke that is supportig the templars is terrible... that gameplay mechanic was awful). But she is also unscrupulous, selfish, and uses her naivety both as a weapon and as an excuse. Anders has his faults, he's stubborn as a mule as well, but at least he is fighting for something that can be understood, something generous and noble, something that he truly believs is going to improve the lives of thousands of mages. I executed Anders, but I have always respected him a lot. Merrill acts to satisfy her own curiosity and prove to herself that she can handle and master certain dangerous magical crap. Nothing to respect here. Marethari... well, I'd say she is another bright example of excellent self-management by free mages? The friendship/rivalry system is a good conception with very flawed execution. I would love to see an imrpoved version in the future. But yes, in Anders' case for example no sense he will support Hawke at Templar side, or the saddest thing ever he can be that broken and to lose his faith (like Fenris's acceptance, if Hawke gives him to Danarius, and he just follows him – and Bethany's hug at the Templar side, when Hawke "mercifully' spares her.) And Merrill – who is able to smash her work! It was also terrible to me. Not as terrible like to see Anders at Templar side, or as Fenris follows his master and Bethany hugs her traitor sibling – but still terrible. Anyway. Merrill is wise as well. She didn't do anything secretly, like Marethari. And absolutely not selfish. Marethari should support her, instead of to cause panic. Merrill was cautious. She told Marethari (first) and Hawke (later) what she exactly does, and what is the danger in it. Magic is dangerous, and mages can be as well, nobody denies, but as the hunter said, if Hawke sends Feynriel to the Sabrae clan, and later, in Act2 visits him, and met with a bunch of prick Templars and elves who defend Feynriel: the elves can handle the situation. Yes, they kill the Abomination. What the Circle does? Nothing else... (Only in veryspecial circumstances – what proves, this is a possibility...) If you see a traffic disaster, you ban/destroy all vehicles and people who can handle?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 25, 2020 15:08:56 GMT
No bashing Merrill please. I don’t want drama or negativity in my threads.
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Post by kalreegar on Sept 25, 2020 16:00:13 GMT
If you see a traffic disaster, you ban/destroy all vehicles and people who can handle? magic disasters in thedas tendt to be more like a Černobyl disaster, the collapse of a dam, the explosion of a chemical factory, the derailment of a train or an air disaster, rahter than a car accident. so yes, for nuclear power plants, airliners, dams and chemical factories, I would say that it is appropriate to implement very strict controls, strict and uniform protocols, mechanisms to isolate and circumscribe possible disasters, instruct the operators, and constantly monitor those responsible. Of course, you should educate, control and sanction not only the mages, but the Templars as well. An inept fool like Meredith, who has led the kirkwall situation to exasperation (see act3, the concerned Divine, Leliana's mission, maybe an exalted march) should have been removed and punished for manifest incompetence, because she was evidently not capable of doing her job.
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Post by Catilina on Sept 25, 2020 16:23:36 GMT
If you see a traffic disaster, you ban/destroy all vehicles and people who can handle? magic disasters in thedas tendt to be more like a Černobyl disaster, the collapse of a dam, the explosion of a chemical factory, the derailment of a train or an air disaster, rahter than a car accident. so yes, for nuclear power plants, airliners, dams and chemical factories, I would say that it is appropriate to implement very strict controls, strict and uniform protocols, mechanisms to isolate and circumscribe possible disasters, instruct the operators, and constantly monitor those responsible. Of course, you should educate, control and sanction not only the mages, but the Templars as well. An inept fool like Meredith, who has led the kirkwall situation to exasperation (see act3, the concerned Divine, Leliana's mission, maybe an exalted march) should have been removed and punished for manifest incompetence, because she was evidently not capable of doing her job. Tevinter still exists, and you, yourself said: it works (I don't speak about the slavery – it exists without magic as well). So: the Southern Circle-system is absolutely unnecessary, unjust and cruel, and even dangerous: causes false sense of security and disaster – as we experienced in game, in book, many times in DA. But this is still the Merrill thread, and as she said: "Magic can't be made safe and it can't be destroyed. Fear makes men more dangerous than magic ever could".
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Post by kalreegar on Sept 25, 2020 16:36:12 GMT
the Southern Circle-system is absolutely unnecessary, unjust and cruel, and even dangerous: causes false sense of security and disaster – as we experienced in game, in book, many times in DA. But this is still the Merrill thread, and as she said: "Magic can't be made safe and it can't be destroyed. Fear makes men more dangerous than magic ever could".the Circle system in unnecessary but the only plausible (not possible, let's say plausible), existing, presently working alternative is tevinter. and if you are a non-mage, you really don't want tevinter. If you're a mage, why not. Merrill is obviously contradictory, fear is what makes you do magic with caution and paying attention to the dangers. I interpret her quote as a bombastic way of saying "I do what I want even if it's dangerous and who cares about the rest"
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Post by Catilina on Sept 25, 2020 16:54:18 GMT
the Southern Circle-system is absolutely unnecessary, unjust and cruel, and even dangerous: causes false sense of security and disaster – as we experienced in game, in book, many times in DA. But this is still the Merrill thread, and as she said: "Magic can't be made safe and it can't be destroyed. Fear makes men more dangerous than magic ever could".the Circle system in unnecessary but the only plausible (not possible, let's say plausible), existing, presently working alternative is tevinter. and if you are a non-mage, you really don't want tevinter. If you're a mage, why not. Merrill is obviously contradictory, fear is what makes you do magic with caution and paying attention to the dangers. I interpret her quote as a bombastic way of saying "I do what I want even if it's dangerous and who cares about the rest" Mage slaves are a thing in Tevinter as well. So: not. Tevinter is not some mage Eden. There are other society what work without those prisons. It was mentioned as well. So: unnecessary... Merrill absolutely not contradictory here: she says what Anders says during the game, nothing else. She says, that the danger EXISTS, but the fear more dangerous – and we saw, what the fear made: Meredith animated sculptures with her paranoia, and Loghain almost destroyed Ferelden. No one of them were mage. You can interpret it in this way, but this doesn't make your interpretation true.
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Post by Buckeldemon on Sept 25, 2020 18:05:05 GMT
Cutting her down on the Gallows' stairs is one of the most satisfying moments of the whole dragon age trilogy. Eh, found more satifaction on the death of Howe, Loghain, Meredith, Alrik and Karras (though the latter usually survives), LS Lucius, LS Lam(e)bert, Celene, Florianne, Elthina and last but not lest, Sister Mother Petrice. ...
All that harping about Merrill being "unreasonable" or "irresponsible" for not listening to people who constantly talk down to her is utter nonsense. Instead of getting aggressive for that, she likes to troll instead. She might be overly determined with regards to her project, but nobody in the group (except perhaps Hawke... only perhaps) cares to even understand her motivations. She's frickin' Dalish elf, i.e. a member of a culture which constantly vilified and threatened with either asssimilation or extermination. Plus, survivor's guilt. The only one who could understand that is Marethari, but she's doing a Holdo.
As Catilina said, Merrill is usually very upfront of what she's planning. The same cannot be said for Marethari. It pains Merrill that she had to leave her clan to continue her work, but she made that decision herself and owns that. Marethari is the one who cannot let go and therefore keeps her clan, still without Halla, camping right outside of a templar police state for years.
Of course, you should educate, control and sanction not only the mages, but the Templars as well. An inept fool like Meredith, who has led the kirkwall situation to exasperation (see act3, the concerned Divine, Leliana's mission, maybe an exalted march) should have been removed and punished for manifest incompetence, because she was evidently not capable of doing her job. Finally some sense. But, since when templars are recruited for competence? fear is what makes you do magic with caution and paying attention to the dangers. Fear is the best way to behave irrationally. Now what?
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 27, 2020 13:12:11 GMT
the Circle system in unnecessary but the only plausible (not possible, let's say plausible), existing, presently working alternative is tevinter. and if you are a non-mage, you really don't want tevinter. If you're a mage, why not. Mage slaves are a thing in Tevinter as well. So: not. Tevinter is not some mage Eden. There are other society what work without those prisons. It was mentioned as well. So: unnecessary... The fallacy here is that all mages want a Tevinter style state and if you let them have autonomy that is what will happen. Not all mages want to rule. According to the Mortalitasi in Tevinter Nights their group think the Magisters are crazy for wanting to be bothered with the mundane task of ruling when there are mundane people who can do that for them. The Mortalitasi have power in Nevarra but they have been around for some 700 years without ever actually taking control. They have succeeded in doing this despite the Chantry on their doorstep. I've never understood why this should be when mages elsewhere are routinely locked up but it does follow the original rule of the Chantry when Drakon set it up, that mages could be free to operate provided they didn't occupy positions of head of state. Many mages have only negligible power. In fact it may well be that this is true of the majority of them. The justification of the Chantry for locking these individuals up is the danger they pose to society because of the risk of possession. This is again false. Letting mages operate in their communities without fear of being hunted down is actually going to be less of a risk than herding them together in one place, where the magical energies are going to make the Veil thinner, and having families hide away their children rather than let them be properly taught how to prevent themselves being possessed. The reason mages routinely seem to fail and become possessed in the Circles is because they are often fearful, depressed and despairing of their situation, which encourages demons to hover around just waiting for the opportunity to pounce. There are plenty of non-mages throughout Thedas who abuse their power and aren't called to account for it. That is the problem. Both in Tevinter and Orlais the respective elites teach they rule by Divine Right and therefore are entitled to be in control. So it is not about whether someone is a mage or not but the justification they give for why they are in authority over others. It is no easier for a commoner to remove a corrupt Emperor/Empress or noble from power in Orlais than it is to remove a Magister in Tevinter. Have a fairer system of government, where the people in charge can be removed from power if they abuse it or do not properly do their duties and you will avoid the problem that commoners experience in both Orlais and Tevinter. Ferelden goes part way there with the Landsmeet and the fact that the nobles do not own the land, the Freeholders do, and to be a noble is to serve the Freeholders. If they feel you are not doing your duty by them, they can opt for someone else instead. They forgot this essential aspect in DAI as it wasn't up to the King or Teagan to tell us to get out of Crestwood but the Freeholders and since we were doing a far better job that the previous incumbent in keeping them safe, I'm pretty sure the Freeholders would have wanted us to stay. There are ways the system could be managed successfully with mages in the community but checks and balances that ensure they do not abuse their position. The writers of the game just haven't bothered with pursuing them.
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