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Post by garrusfan1 on Mar 5, 2020 21:08:55 GMT
[br ] F76's combat, besides what the other guy said, it looks like it was anally gangbanged by a group of Super Mutants. 😆 That is incredibly disturbing.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Mar 5, 2020 21:10:04 GMT
[br ] F76's combat, besides what the other guy said, it looks like it was anally gangbanged by a group of Super Mutants. 😆 That is incredibly disturbing. Well... I do have a twisted sense of humour. 😉
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Post by Ascend on Mar 5, 2020 22:23:54 GMT
Not trying to discount what you're saying, but, I have to post this xD What powers are those. That looks pretty fun. Looks like Pull > Throw > Charge > Air melee
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Post by Phantom on Mar 5, 2020 23:47:30 GMT
That is incredibly disturbing. Well... I do have a twisted sense of humour. 😉 Am I surprised? there is a reason that I like you....and To garrusfan1, Cadian Guardsman is a massive Warhammer 40K fan. So Darker stuff is his thing.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Mar 5, 2020 23:51:37 GMT
Well... I do have a twisted sense of humour. 😉 Am I surprised? there is a reason that I like you....and To garrusfan1, Cadian Guardsman is a massive Warhammer 40K fan. So Darker stuff is his thing. Aww, thanks phantom, now if you'll pardon me, me and Sir Fluffy (my Thunderwolf) are off! So, let's ride!
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Post by Phantom on Mar 5, 2020 23:58:46 GMT
Am I surprised? there is a reason that I like you....and To garrusfan1, Cadian Guardsman is a massive Warhammer 40K fan. So Darker stuff is his thing. Aww, thanks phantom, now if you'll pardon me, me and Sir Fluffy (my Thunderwolf) are off! So, let's ride! there are always tomorrow for everyone here.
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Post by Polka Dot on Mar 6, 2020 0:10:46 GMT
Yet it was profitable. It was a success, even if it wasn't as much of one as they expected. So you are still wrong. By definition it was profitable... so saying it was not profitable is simply wrong. I literally gave you definitions and underlined the ones that supported my broader use of the term. Success is also a term with strict and broad definitions. If Andromeda had been a worthwhile success, then EA would have milked it for greater profits. Instead they decided it was not worth it and abandoned it. That to me, communicates that Andromeda was not a success. A successful game would have generated lots of paid DLC, increasing its profits. It was not a success, and it was not a profitable game to keep supporting. The term you're looking for is opportunity cost. To say that a product with revenue in excess of its costs was not profitable is a falsehood. And success is in the eye of the beholder. It's up to BioWare and EA to decide how they define it, and whether MEA met their definition.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 6, 2020 0:21:38 GMT
I mean Fallout 76 was pretty much the same as past 3-D Fallout games. Your mileage may vary I guess.
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Post by sassafrassa on Mar 6, 2020 0:55:25 GMT
The term you're looking for is opportunity cost. To say that a product with revenue in excess of its costs was not profitable is a falsehood. And success is in the eye of the beholder. It's up to BioWare and EA to decide how they define it, and whether MEA met their definition. If we continue to support Mass Effect: Andromeda our profits will suffer because the profit made by ME:A is insignificant to that offered by our other titles. Ergo: this loss of profits makes it not profitable to pursue.
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Post by sassafrassa on Mar 6, 2020 0:58:02 GMT
I literally gave you definitions and underlined the ones that supported my broader use of the term. Success is also a term with strict and broad definitions. If Andromeda had been a worthwhile success, then EA would have milked it for greater profits. Instead they decided it was not worth it and abandoned it. That to me, communicates that Andromeda was not a success. A successful game would have generated lots of paid DLC, increasing its profits. It was not a success, and it was not a profitable game to keep supporting. Yeah, no reason to respond to someone that can't admit they were wrong and keep clinging to a debunked statement. You have not proven anything and clearly do not understand how for-profit companies work. An avenue which produces less profit than another, when only one can be pursued, is an avenue that is not profitable because if that option is taken, total profits will be diminished. The goal is to maximize profit. You are delusional if you think EA abandoned a game they could still make lots of money with. That's not how they operate. They go where the money is and nowhere else.
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Post by Polka Dot on Mar 6, 2020 2:11:51 GMT
The term you're looking for is opportunity cost. To say that a product with revenue in excess of its costs was not profitable is a falsehood. And success is in the eye of the beholder. It's up to BioWare and EA to decide how they define it, and whether MEA met their definition. If we continue to support Mass Effect: Andromeda our profits will suffer because the profit made by ME:A is insignificant to that offered by our other titles. Ergo: this loss of profits makes it not profitable to pursue. Any activity that generates a profit is, by definition, profitable to pursue. You can't claim a "loss" of something you never had in the first place. There is, however, opportunity cost in everything one chooses to do. The time I'm spending typing this post is time I'm not spending doing something else instead. Whatever else BioWare would have done with the resources they invested in MEA might have generated massive profits, a total loss, or anything in-between. To say anything more specific is pure conjecture.
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Post by sassafrassa on Mar 6, 2020 2:48:58 GMT
Any activity that generates a profit is, by definition, profitable to pursue. That depends on the definition you are using and the context. I have explained this. I have even cited definitions of the term. If taking one course of action results in fewer profits than the other, it can be said to be non profitable. It can be said to be a loss of profit or profit potential. Better profits are had by abandoning Andromeda and putting the time and resources in something else that will be more successful (hopefully). Whatever else BioWare would have done with the resources they invested in MEA might have generated massive profits, a total loss, or anything in-between. To say anything more specific is pure conjecture. Yes, it is conjecture because nobody has a fucking time machine. So instead they look at the sales vs the production costs, critic and player reviews, and the press generated, and then decide if it is profitable to keep supporting the game. They (as in EA, who are in charge) decided it was not going to be profitable to keep supporting Mass Effect: Andromeda. Anyone saying otherwise is seriously delusional. As I recall, Andromeda wasn't even in the top 10 selling games in the year of its release. So there was not enough money to be made by spending more time and money on it to develop DLC that not enough people were going to buy. It wasn't profitable. We are talking about a for-profit company here. A corporation. Their goal is to maximize profits. Something that makes back a minuscule profit compared to its development costs is not accomplishing this. It's hurting profits by consuming resources for not enough return on investment. It's not a profitable course of action. Tiny profits aren't good enough.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 6, 2020 4:08:56 GMT
I mean Fallout 76 was pretty much the same as past 3-D Fallout games. Your mileage may vary I guess. And actually worse in some respects. Fallout 4 gets around its janky as hell combat mechanics with VATS, but VATS only works in a singleplayer environment. Bethesda essentially just retooled the mechanic to accommodate the realtime combat of multiplayer, and it’s absolute shit. It’s just hilarious though because the level of asset flipping in the game is horrendous, and hackers have been able to do stupendously awful things with the underpinnings, which are essentially just lifted elements out of a singleplayer title.
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Post by cloud9 on Mar 6, 2020 5:51:07 GMT
So, to translate that: it was not profitable to continue supporting Andromeda, so they stopped. It was viewed as not as much potential profit as a working Anthem. It didn't lose money according to all data, but it wasn't making as much as they originally thought nor did it look like it could match the potential of a game like Destiny. So it wasn't EA's priority at a time before they saw the light and accepted single player as viable again. Damn. And I thought Fallout 76 was bad..... Do you ever say anything good here or is it just constant Bioware bashing? Don't get mad at me. I didn't fuck that game up.
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Post by cloud9 on Mar 6, 2020 5:56:29 GMT
Damn. And I thought Fallout 76 was bad..... I don't think you actually watched Fallout 76 gameplay videos or are at all familiar with Bethesda's approach to combat if you think this is remotely similar in quality, or in any way worse. Obviously, I'm talking about the quality. 🙃🙃 Hell, ME3 has smoother combat on Unreal Engine than on Frostbite. BioWare fucked that one up royally. It's like they WANT Mass Effect to be hated and shat on.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 6, 2020 7:57:43 GMT
I don't think you actually watched Fallout 76 gameplay videos or are at all familiar with Bethesda's approach to combat if you think this is remotely similar in quality, or in any way worse. Obviously, I'm talking about the quality. 🙃🙃 Hell, ME3 has smoother combat on Unreal Engine than on Frostbite. BioWare fucked that one up royally. It's like they WANT Mass Effect to be hated and shat on. I hope you realize that the lower frame rate of that gif is an artifact of it actually being a gif. It’s smoother than this in the actual game. You won’t find many who honestly agree with you on the combat. Of all the things that might have fallen short, the combat was not one of them.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 6, 2020 8:11:14 GMT
I mean Fallout 76 was pretty much the same as past 3-D Fallout games. Your mileage may vary I guess. And actually worse in some respects. Fallout 4 gets around its janky as hell combat mechanics with VATS, but VATS only works in a singleplayer environment. Bethesda essentially just retooled the mechanic to accommodate the realtime combat of multiplayer, and it’s absolute shit. It’s just hilarious though because the level of asset flipping in the game is horrendous, and hackers have been able to do stupendously awful things with the underpinnings, which are essentially just lifted elements out of a singleplayer title. I mean each Fallout game in 3-D era has been the same except for VATS which I'll admit for Fallout 76 is pretty awkward.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Mar 6, 2020 8:15:16 GMT
I don't think you actually watched Fallout 76 gameplay videos or are at all familiar with Bethesda's approach to combat if you think this is remotely similar in quality, or in any way worse. Obviously, I'm talking about the quality. 🙃🙃 Hell, ME3 has smoother combat on Unreal Engine than on Frostbite. BioWare fucked that one up royally. It's like they WANT Mass Effect to be hated and shat on. Umm... what? ME3 has smoother combat.. what? Than MEA? WHAT? You will need to troll harder.
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Post by cloud9 on Mar 6, 2020 15:48:25 GMT
Obviously, I'm talking about the quality. 🙃🙃 Hell, ME3 has smoother combat on Unreal Engine than on Frostbite. BioWare fucked that one up royally. It's like they WANT Mass Effect to be hated and shat on. Umm... what? ME3 has smoother combat.. what? Than MEA? WHAT? You will need to troll harder. There's a difference between being honest and trolling. And it's not like I fucked it up because Andromeda looked like shit. If they really cared about Mass Effect, then they would never fucked it up in the first place.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Mar 6, 2020 16:03:41 GMT
Umm... what? ME3 has smoother combat.. what? Than MEA? WHAT? You will need to troll harder. There's a difference between being honest and trolling. And it's not like I fucked it up because Andromeda looked like shit. If they really cared about Mass Effect, then they would never fucked it up in the first place. As I said you need to up your trolling game
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 6, 2020 16:03:42 GMT
Umm... what? ME3 has smoother combat.. what? Than MEA? WHAT? You will need to troll harder. There's a difference between being honest and trolling. And it's not like I fucked it up because Andromeda looked like shit. If they really cared about Mass Effect, then they would never fucked it up in the first place. But now it just seems like criticism for the sake of such. Being familiar with Mass Effect's evolution in combat systems for years, and familiarity with other shooters, there doesn't seem to be anything of substance here in how BioWare "fucked it up". Heck, with all of the complaints and long screeds and outcries of disappointment over the game, the part that seldom, if ever, makes the laundry list of grievances is the combat system itself. When it comes to the combat, BioWare didn't fuck it up at all. You want to believe it, but you're wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 19:49:10 GMT
Umm... what? ME3 has smoother combat.. what? Than MEA? WHAT? You will need to troll harder. There's a difference between being honest and trolling. And it's not like I fucked it up because Andromeda looked like shit. If they really cared about Mass Effect, then they would never fucked it up in the first place. Bioware does care about Mass Effect. You're just bitter because they don't make the games you want them to make.
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Post by cloud9 on Mar 7, 2020 23:24:43 GMT
There's a difference between being honest and trolling. And it's not like I fucked it up because Andromeda looked like shit. If they really cared about Mass Effect, then they would never fucked it up in the first place. As I said you need to up your trolling game And you need to stop being so sensitive.
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Post by cloud9 on Mar 7, 2020 23:30:06 GMT
There's a difference between being honest and trolling. And it's not like I fucked it up because Andromeda looked like shit. If they really cared about Mass Effect, then they would never fucked it up in the first place. But now it just seems like criticism for the sake of such. Being familiar with Mass Effect's evolution in combat systems for years, and familiarity with other shooters, there doesn't seem to be anything of substance here in how BioWare "fucked it up". Heck, with all of the complaints and long screeds and outcries of disappointment over the game, the part that seldom, if ever, makes the laundry list of grievances is the combat system itself. When it comes to the combat, BioWare didn't fuck it up at all. You want to believe it, but you're wrong. Compare to Mass Effect 3, it's pretty horrible. Sure, it has more freedom (Which I'm ok with), but it looks unpolished, animations are horrible, cannot control your companions, and the Tempest looks like the worst vehicle that is actually far worse than the Mako itself. And you're telling me that BioWare got Andromeda right because of the combat? Hell NAW! No! Just....no.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 8, 2020 2:48:27 GMT
But now it just seems like criticism for the sake of such. Being familiar with Mass Effect's evolution in combat systems for years, and familiarity with other shooters, there doesn't seem to be anything of substance here in how BioWare "fucked it up". Heck, with all of the complaints and long screeds and outcries of disappointment over the game, the part that seldom, if ever, makes the laundry list of grievances is the combat system itself. When it comes to the combat, BioWare didn't fuck it up at all. You want to believe it, but you're wrong. Compare to Mass Effect 3, it's pretty horrible. Sure, it has more freedom (Which I'm ok with), but it looks unpolished, animations are horrible, cannot control your companions, and the Tempest looks like the worst vehicle that is actually far worse than the Mako itself. And you're telling me that BioWare got Andromeda right because of the combat? Hell NAW! No! Just....no. Well not only they got combat right, but story, characters and exploration as well.
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