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Post by Hrungr on Mar 14, 2019 16:49:50 GMT
I suppose it all depends on how much work has been done in the past two or so years. It’s hard to say at this point. Well they did underline in their teaser-related blog post on their webpage that they've been working on new title for a while. Also what suggests sometimes. Yeah, they've had a small team on this for 2-3 years, but there was also the "reboot" a little over a year ago, and we don't know how much of an impact that's had.
At the very least, we know that combat's been worked on for quite some time now. Very interested in seeing what they've come up with...
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Post by ArcadiaGrey on Mar 14, 2019 17:17:17 GMT
Well, liking something in spite of it's flaws, and acting like those flaws don't exist are two completely different things.
This game could be bricking peoples' hard drives and some of these people would still be saying that people are overreacting, or that the game isn't getting a fair shake. I like it despite its flaws (they absolutely exist, though all the flaws are fixable in my view). The actual evidence suggests the game is not bricking people's consoles. I wouldn't say people are overreacting because the faults are absolutely on BioWare, this is not the launch standard expected of a AAA game. Thankfully, the Day One patch (on Xbox) addressed the vast majority of performance issues, and patch 1.0.3 dealt with most other bugs, but the issues remaining are annoying, though no longer game breaking. The next patch (presumably 1.0.4) would likely bring the game to a standard acceptable for a normal day one release.Thankfully, it's a fun game, if not better that, though its underlying greatness has been obscured by more immediate concerns. Serious question here, no bullshit - Do you think that with some more patches, fixes, extra content etc, Anthem could be a great game? Are the foundations there, or will it perhaps be a good game, or a mediocre one? Obviously this stuff should've been sorted on release, but now I'm intrigued to see what they can do from this point forward, and where the future of the game lies.
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Post by Pounce de León on Mar 14, 2019 17:40:35 GMT
I like it despite its flaws (they absolutely exist, though all the flaws are fixable in my view). The actual evidence suggests the game is not bricking people's consoles. I wouldn't say people are overreacting because the faults are absolutely on BioWare, this is not the launch standard expected of a AAA game. Thankfully, the Day One patch (on Xbox) addressed the vast majority of performance issues, and patch 1.0.3 dealt with most other bugs, but the issues remaining are annoying, though no longer game breaking. The next patch (presumably 1.0.4) would likely bring the game to a standard acceptable for a normal day one release.Thankfully, it's a fun game, if not better that, though its underlying greatness has been obscured by more immediate concerns. Serious question here, no bullshit - Do you think that with some more patches, fixes, extra content etc, Anthem could be a great game? Are the foundations there, or will it perhaps be a good game, or a mediocre one? Obviously this stuff should've been sorted on release, but now I'm intrigued to see what they can do from this point forward, and where the future of the game lies. Is quite universally praised for good combat underlying, fun flight , even interesting lore at times. The loot idea is good cos on paper it allows customisable builds. Balance needs to be stepped up. More variation in mission objectives. Variation in stuff to do. Keep the world interesting with stuff happening. Step up more story content. More javelins. But first the bugs need gone yesterday. Then it'll keep players playing. I mean there's ppl playing FO76 - shouldn't be that hard to outclass that travesty of a game with what Anthem got.
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Post by midnight tea on Mar 14, 2019 17:49:36 GMT
I like it despite its flaws (they absolutely exist, though all the flaws are fixable in my view). The actual evidence suggests the game is not bricking people's consoles. I wouldn't say people are overreacting because the faults are absolutely on BioWare, this is not the launch standard expected of a AAA game. Thankfully, the Day One patch (on Xbox) addressed the vast majority of performance issues, and patch 1.0.3 dealt with most other bugs, but the issues remaining are annoying, though no longer game breaking. The next patch (presumably 1.0.4) would likely bring the game to a standard acceptable for a normal day one release.Thankfully, it's a fun game, if not better that, though its underlying greatness has been obscured by more immediate concerns. Serious question here, no bullshit - Do you think that with some more patches, fixes, extra content etc, Anthem could be a great game? Are the foundations there, or will it perhaps be a good game, or a mediocre one? Obviously this stuff should've been sorted on release, but now I'm intrigued to see what they can do from this point forward, and where the future of the game lies. Well, I can only speak for myself and not Sofa and IMO yes - the underlying game is very fun. It's not Destiny, It's not Division, it's not Diablo, but something that carves a route between these genre staples... AND we can fly? There really isn't anything else on the market like it. People are mostly complaining at bugs, lack of engame and loot issues, which are 100% fixable things, while even those complaining at Anthem usually admit that the core gameplay is solid, the world is beautiful and the lore is immersive. Story's not done, and if there's one thing I appreciate about Bioware is that their stories shine the more layers they pile on top as time goes by (I think most of complaints in this area stem from the fact that people aren't used to the new format, which goes against many things people expect from Bioware or big RPGs in general). I also think it's significant that they repeatedly insist that Anthem is not going anywhere, despite doomsayers. That betrays their belief in the product and dedication to it; it may have had a troubled start, but - at least for now - they seem determined to see this through and prove naysayers wrong. People may dislike EA and want to see the downfall of Bioware because of either corporate overlords or 'wokeness', but the truth of a matter is that a lot more people ar suckers for a good narrative where people turn things around or rise from the (supposed) ashes. It remains to be seen what happens - despite Bioware moving quite quickly with fixes I'm realistic about my expectations about when things may start turning around for Anthem, based on personal experience with other 'Phoenixes'. This can take longer than what people assume is the time Anthem is supposed to have.
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Post by Pounce de León on Mar 14, 2019 18:00:34 GMT
Serious question here, no bullshit - Do you think that with some more patches, fixes, extra content etc, Anthem could be a great game? Are the foundations there, or will it perhaps be a good game, or a mediocre one? Obviously this stuff should've been sorted on release, but now I'm intrigued to see what they can do from this point forward, and where the future of the game lies. Well, I can only speak for myself and not Sofa and IMO yes - the underlying game is very fun. It's not Destiny, It's not Division, it's not Diablo, but something that carves a route between these genre staples... AND we can fly? There really isn't anything else on the market like it. People are mostly complaining at bugs, lack of engame and loot issues, which are 100% fixable things, while even those complaining at Anthem usually admit that the core gameplay is solid, the world is beautiful and the lore is immersive. Story's not done, and if there's one thing I appreciate about Bioware is that their stories shine the more layers they pile on top as time goes by (I think most of complaints in this area stem from the fact that people aren't used to the new format, which goes against many things people expect from Bioware or big RPGs in general). I also think it's significant that they repeatedly insist that Anthem is not going anywhere, despite doomsayers. That betrays their belief in the product and dedication to it; it may have had a troubled start, but - at least for now - they seem determined to see this through and prove naysayers wrong. People may dislike EA and want to see the downfall of Bioware because of either corporate overlords or 'wokeness', but the truth of a matter is that a lot more people ar suckers for a good narrative where people turn things around or rise from the (supposed) ashes. It remains to be seen what happens - despite Bioware moving quite quickly with fixes I'm realistic about my expectations about when things may start turning around for Anthem, based on personal experience with other 'Phoenixes'. This can take longer than what people assume is the time Anthem is supposed to have. Given how the embedded Quarian DLC annoumcement in MEA got canned a healthy dose of scepticism is to be expected.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 14, 2019 18:04:43 GMT
Well, I can only speak for myself and not Sofa and IMO yes - the underlying game is very fun. It's not Destiny, It's not Division, it's not Diablo, but something that carves a route between these genre staples... AND we can fly? There really isn't anything else on the market like it. People are mostly complaining at bugs, lack of engame and loot issues, which are 100% fixable things, while even those complaining at Anthem usually admit that the core gameplay is solid, the world is beautiful and the lore is immersive. Story's not done, and if there's one thing I appreciate about Bioware is that their stories shine the more layers they pile on top as time goes by (I think most of complaints in this area stem from the fact that people aren't used to the new format, which goes against many things people expect from Bioware or big RPGs in general). I also think it's significant that they repeatedly insist that Anthem is not going anywhere, despite doomsayers. That betrays their belief in the product and dedication to it; it may have had a troubled start, but - at least for now - they seem determined to see this through and prove naysayers wrong. People may dislike EA and want to see the downfall of Bioware because of either corporate overlords or 'wokeness', but the truth of a matter is that a lot more people ar suckers for a good narrative where people turn things around or rise from the (supposed) ashes. It remains to be seen what happens - despite Bioware moving quite quickly with fixes I'm realistic about my expectations about when things may start turning around for Anthem, based on personal experience with other 'Phoenixes'. This can take longer than what people assume is the time Anthem is supposed to have. Given how the embedded Quarian DLC annoumcement in MEA got canned a healthy dose of scepticism is to be expected. Was that ever confirmed as a DLC announcement?
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Post by correctamundo on Mar 14, 2019 18:06:54 GMT
Well, I can only speak for myself and not Sofa and IMO yes - the underlying game is very fun. It's not Destiny, It's not Division, it's not Diablo, but something that carves a route between these genre staples... AND we can fly? There really isn't anything else on the market like it. People are mostly complaining at bugs, lack of engame and loot issues, which are 100% fixable things, while even those complaining at Anthem usually admit that the core gameplay is solid, the world is beautiful and the lore is immersive. Story's not done, and if there's one thing I appreciate about Bioware is that their stories shine the more layers they pile on top as time goes by (I think most of complaints in this area stem from the fact that people aren't used to the new format, which goes against many things people expect from Bioware or big RPGs in general). I also think it's significant that they repeatedly insist that Anthem is not going anywhere, despite doomsayers. That betrays their belief in the product and dedication to it; it may have had a troubled start, but - at least for now - they seem determined to see this through and prove naysayers wrong. People may dislike EA and want to see the downfall of Bioware because of either corporate overlords or 'wokeness', but the truth of a matter is that a lot more people ar suckers for a good narrative where people turn things around or rise from the (supposed) ashes. It remains to be seen what happens - despite Bioware moving quite quickly with fixes I'm realistic about my expectations about when things may start turning around for Anthem, based on personal experience with other 'Phoenixes'. This can take longer than what people assume is the time Anthem is supposed to have. Given how the embedded Quarian DLC annoumcement in MEA got canned a healthy dose of scepticism is to be expected. They didn't show any roadmap for Andromeda at all.
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Post by midnight tea on Mar 14, 2019 18:08:33 GMT
Given how the embedded Quarian DLC annoumcement in MEA got canned a healthy dose of scepticism is to be expected. Was Andromeda a live service game with potentially years of additions planned and factored into the budget? No, it wasn't. Don't look at MEA when you're looking at Anthem - the more apt comparison is SWTOR.
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Post by samhain444 on Mar 14, 2019 18:09:30 GMT
Well, I can only speak for myself and not Sofa and IMO yes - the underlying game is very fun. It's not Destiny, It's not Division, it's not Diablo, but something that carves a route between these genre staples... AND we can fly? There really isn't anything else on the market like it. People are mostly complaining at bugs, lack of engame and loot issues, which are 100% fixable things, while even those complaining at Anthem usually admit that the core gameplay is solid, the world is beautiful and the lore is immersive. Story's not done, and if there's one thing I appreciate about Bioware is that their stories shine the more layers they pile on top as time goes by (I think most of complaints in this area stem from the fact that people aren't used to the new format, which goes against many things people expect from Bioware or big RPGs in general). I also think it's significant that they repeatedly insist that Anthem is not going anywhere, despite doomsayers. That betrays their belief in the product and dedication to it; it may have had a troubled start, but - at least for now - they seem determined to see this through and prove naysayers wrong. People may dislike EA and want to see the downfall of Bioware because of either corporate overlords or 'wokeness', but the truth of a matter is that a lot more people ar suckers for a good narrative where people turn things around or rise from the (supposed) ashes. It remains to be seen what happens - despite Bioware moving quite quickly with fixes I'm realistic about my expectations about when things may start turning around for Anthem, based on personal experience with other 'Phoenixes'. This can take longer than what people assume is the time Anthem is supposed to have. Given how the embedded Quarian DLC annoumcement in MEA got canned a healthy dose of scepticism is to be expected. Despite the end game message regarding trouble on the Quarian Ark, BioWare never explicitly said there would be more content for ME:A. Mike Gamble and Casey Hudson have both said on different occasions said that "Anthem" has a foundational structure for more content and updates that ME:A never had and that more story content was incoming, backed up by Twitter shots of actors in MOCAP. ME:A's SP DLC status was always vague while they have been pretty explicit with their plans for "Anthem" including a year long roadmap
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Post by bakgrind on Mar 14, 2019 18:12:08 GMT
Serious question here, no bullshit - Do you think that with some more patches, fixes, extra content etc, Anthem could be a great game? Are the foundations there, or will it perhaps be a good game, or a mediocre one? Obviously this stuff should've been sorted on release, but now I'm intrigued to see what they can do from this point forward, and where the future of the game lies. Is quite universally praised for good combat underlying, fun flight , even interesting lore at times. The loot idea is good cos on paper it allows customisable builds. Balance needs to be stepped up. More variation in mission objectives. Variation in stuff to do. Keep the world interesting with stuff happening. Step up more story content. More javelins. But first the bugs need gone yesterday. Then it'll keep players playing. I mean there's ppl playing FO76 - shouldn't be that hard to outclass that travesty of a game with what Anthem got. It took SWTOR 3 years to become the game it should of been at launch. Some of the classes were redesigned by making their mechanics better. More player features and QOL features were added along with the game content which made it a better rounded game. Anthem's classes are really fun to play ,but the content is rather sparse and game play is some what monotonous. Not to be to cliche about it, but the only direction Anthem can go is up. The only question is how long will it take and how big of a niche game will it be by the time it gets there?
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Post by Pounce de León on Mar 14, 2019 18:14:43 GMT
Given how the embedded Quarian DLC annoumcement in MEA got canned a healthy dose of scepticism is to be expected. Was Andromeda a live service game with potentially years of additions planned and factored into the budget? No, it wasn't. Don't look at MEA when you're looking at Anthem - the more apt comparison is SWTOR. Oh, I'm not comparing games. Only customer experience.
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Post by wright1978 on Mar 14, 2019 18:16:54 GMT
i hope this piece of trash game gets killed off as a failed experiment in the near future.
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Post by officerdonnz on Mar 14, 2019 18:17:15 GMT
Given how the embedded Quarian DLC annoumcement in MEA got canned a healthy dose of scepticism is to be expected. Was Andromeda a live service game with potentially years of additions planned and factored into the budget? No, it wasn't. Don't look at MEA when you're looking at Anthem - the more apt comparison is SWTOR. That's not very reassuring you know, given the problems that SWTOR has had of the years....
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Post by correctamundo on Mar 14, 2019 18:18:55 GMT
Given how the embedded Quarian DLC annoumcement in MEA got canned a healthy dose of scepticism is to be expected. Was that ever confirmed as a DLC announcement? No, never. Of course everyone assumes there would be a dlc because we've become accustomed to it. But if the press is to be believed the decision to transition Bioware Montreal to EA Motive had to have been made before launch. Then it had to be up to Edmonton. So Andromeda dlc and delaying Anthem or going full production for Anthem.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 14, 2019 18:21:42 GMT
Was that ever confirmed as a DLC announcement? No, never. Of course everyone assumes there would be a dlc because we've become accustomed to it. But if the press is to be believed the decision to transition Bioware Montreal to EA Motive had to have been made before launch. Then it had to be up to Edmonton. So Andromeda dlc and delaying Anthem or going full production for Anthem. I thought so. Yeah everyone assumed it was going to be DLC but it could be a tease for the book or the next game or both. Thinking about it there would be far too much for it to be a DLC unless it was a huge expansion.
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Post by correctamundo on Mar 14, 2019 18:21:44 GMT
i hope this piece of trash game gets killed off as a failed experiment in the near future. Just don't hold your breath.
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Post by Pounce de León on Mar 14, 2019 18:22:43 GMT
Was that ever confirmed as a DLC announcement? No, never. Of course everyone assumes there would be a dlc because we've become accustomed to it. But if the press is to be believed the decision to transition Bioware Montreal to EA Motive had to have been made before launch. Then it had to be up to Edmonton. So Andromeda dlc and delaying Anthem or going full production for Anthem. What does it matter? Leaving the tease in the game surely made a certain impression on players.
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Post by samhain444 on Mar 14, 2019 18:26:15 GMT
I like it despite its flaws (they absolutely exist, though all the flaws are fixable in my view). The actual evidence suggests the game is not bricking people's consoles. I wouldn't say people are overreacting because the faults are absolutely on BioWare, this is not the launch standard expected of a AAA game. Thankfully, the Day One patch (on Xbox) addressed the vast majority of performance issues, and patch 1.0.3 dealt with most other bugs, but the issues remaining are annoying, though no longer game breaking. The next patch (presumably 1.0.4) would likely bring the game to a standard acceptable for a normal day one release.Thankfully, it's a fun game, if not better that, though its underlying greatness has been obscured by more immediate concerns. Serious question here, no bullshit - Do you think that with some more patches, fixes, extra content etc, Anthem could be a great game? Are the foundations there, or will it perhaps be a good game, or a mediocre one? Obviously this stuff should've been sorted on release, but now I'm intrigued to see what they can do from this point forward, and where the future of the game lies. Foundation is absolutely there and the future of the game, in terms of if it stays troubled or develops into something fantastic, is in the hands of the devs. It's always online with dedicated servers meaning they can mold and manipulate it in tune with the player base.
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Post by midnight tea on Mar 14, 2019 18:28:43 GMT
Was Andromeda a live service game with potentially years of additions planned and factored into the budget? No, it wasn't. Don't look at MEA when you're looking at Anthem - the more apt comparison is SWTOR. That's not very reassuring you know, given the problems that SWTOR has had of the years.... I'd like to have problems that result with over 1 billion of revenue
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Post by midnight tea on Mar 14, 2019 18:29:29 GMT
Was Andromeda a live service game with potentially years of additions planned and factored into the budget? No, it wasn't. Don't look at MEA when you're looking at Anthem - the more apt comparison is SWTOR. Oh, I'm not comparing games. Only customer experience. Same difference.
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Post by Pounce de León on Mar 14, 2019 18:31:39 GMT
Oh, I'm not comparing games. Only customer experience. Same difference. Nah, I just put them in one basket cos their mine.
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Post by cypherj on Mar 14, 2019 18:39:51 GMT
Given how the embedded Quarian DLC annoumcement in MEA got canned a healthy dose of scepticism is to be expected. Despite the end game message regarding trouble on the Quarian Ark, BioWare never explicitly said there would be more content for ME:A. Mike Gamble and Casey Hudson have both said on different occasions said that "Anthem" has a foundational structure for more content and updates that ME:A never had and that more story content was incoming, backed up by Twitter shots of actors in MOCAP. ME:A's SP DLC status was always vague while they have been pretty explicit with their plans for "Anthem" including a year long roadmap
Two completely different things. You're comparing a live services game to a SP RPG. One is always going to have a longer more defined roadmap than the other. If it's a GAAS, the plan is always to spread the content out to keep you playing and paying longer.
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Post by officerdonnz on Mar 14, 2019 18:49:50 GMT
That's not very reassuring you know, given the problems that SWTOR has had of the years.... I'd like to have problems that result with over 1 billion of revenue True enough I guess. This is only my own view/feeling but it seems to me that Bioware can't or haven't learned from past mistakes be it with SWTOR, ME:A, DA:I or whatever else and are making the same or similar mistakes with Anthem. That's the current perception of a lot of people be they Anthem players or not. Bioware have an up hill battle and the longer they seem to take to fix things the more damage they are unknowingly doing. I would not want to be in any of the Anthem devs shoes right now. Time will tell how much of a success or failure Anthem is, more telling will be how long the servers stay live.
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Post by wright1978 on Mar 14, 2019 18:55:55 GMT
I'd like to have problems that result with over 1 billion of revenue True enough I guess. This is only my own view/feeling but it seems to me that Bioware can't or haven't learned from past mistakes be it with SWTOR, ME:A, DA:I or whatever else and are making the same or similar mistakes with Anthem. That's the current perception of a lot of people be they Anthem players or not. Bioware have an up hill battle and the longer they seem to take to fix things the more damage they are unknowingly doing. I would not want to be in any of the Anthem devs shoes right now. Time will tell how much of a success or failure Anthem is, more telling will be how long the servers stay live. I’m intrigued to see post division 2 situation.
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Post by correctamundo on Mar 14, 2019 19:05:35 GMT
No, never. Of course everyone assumes there would be a dlc because we've become accustomed to it. But if the press is to be believed the decision to transition Bioware Montreal to EA Motive had to have been made before launch. Then it had to be up to Edmonton. So Andromeda dlc and delaying Anthem or going full production for Anthem. What does it matter? Leaving the tease in the game surely made a certain impression on players. No the tease doesn't really matter much to me. DLC or no DLC in the end I got a great game anyway.
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