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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 24, 2022 7:33:01 GMT
Of course i am talking about Charade Amell who always lives in all possible world states, has one fate as living Red Jenny and one unique face with a terrible haircut. Funnily enough she was someone I said I wouldn't mind seeing again before DAI came out. Then, whilst she wasn't actually in the game, she did feature in the War Table mission and, as you say, the fact that she is alive and involved with that organisation could allow her to be brought back without seeming totally out of place. You can also make an argument for Isabella. I'm still wondering if they are going to have a floating base of operations this time round. If that were the case, then I can see Isabella supplying the ship and crew. As you point out, she was only a minor character in DAO and DAMP hardly counts when it comes to over exposure because many people never played that, so I would have less objection to seeing Isabella again than I would Varric, but not as a companion, or only on a temporary basis, like Morrigan in DAI.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Aug 24, 2022 7:43:43 GMT
I'm still wondering if they are going to have a floating base of operations this time round. If that were the case, then I can see Isabella supplying the ship and crew. As you point out, she was only a minor character in DAO and DAMP hardly counts when it comes to over exposure because many people never played that, so I would have less objection to seeing Isabella again than I would Varric, but not as a companion, or only on a temporary basis, like Morrigan in DAI. If Isabela is our ship captain / admiral of our player home well i would say that she is more like Leliana or Cullen in DAI than Morrigan.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 24, 2022 7:48:13 GMT
The idea has some merit but Isabella is abot the last person I want to see ever again.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Aug 24, 2022 8:04:17 GMT
The idea has some merit but Isabella is abot the last person I want to see ever again. I don´t want Solas as the main big bad so i guess we don´t always get what we want. Edit: And some folks don´t like the idea of Sten, Fenris or pretty unbelievable Dorians return.
Also personal feeling towards a character are in my opinion totally irrelevant if this character can bring something interessing & compelling to the overall storyline. Like i said i pretty much despise Velanna but i still would see her back because her storyarc aka finding her sister isn´t done. And last but not least bringing a bland character (and also an overused one like Leliana or Varric) back is much worse.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 24, 2022 10:32:08 GMT
The idea has some merit but Isabella is abot the last person I want to see ever again. I don´t want Solas as the main big bad so i guess we don´t always get what we want. Edit: And some folks don´t like the idea of Sten, Fenris or pretty unbelievable Dorians return.
Also personal feeling towards a character are in my opinion totally irrelevant if this character can bring something interessing & compelling to the overall storyline. Like i said i pretty much despise Velanna but i still would see her back because her storyarc aka finding her sister isn´t done. And last but not least bringing a bland character (and also an overused one like Leliana or Varric) back is much worse. that was more or leas my point. I don't like Isabella so I would look upon her return with some trepidation. However the idea presented here does have some merit and would count as something interesting that might give her character enough to do so I'd like her.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 24, 2022 13:27:49 GMT
Of course i am talking about Charade Amell who always lives in all possible world states, has one fate as living Red Jenny and one unique face with a terrible haircut. Funnily enough she was someone I said I wouldn't mind seeing again before DAI came out. Then, whilst she wasn't actually in the game, she did feature in the War Table mission and, as you say, the fact that she is alive and involved with that organisation could allow her to be brought back without seeming totally out of place. You can also make an argument for Isabella. I'm still wondering if they are going to have a floating base of operations this time round. If that were the case, then I can see Isabella supplying the ship and crew. As you point out, she was only a minor character in DAO and DAMP hardly counts when it comes to over exposure because many people never played that, so I would have less objection to seeing Isabella again than I would Varric, but not as a companion, or only on a temporary basis, like Morrigan in DAI. Josephine could be the one who supplies the ship and crew instead of Isabela.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 24, 2022 13:31:49 GMT
The idea has some merit but Isabella is abot the last person I want to see ever again. There’s only one reason I want to see Isabela again.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 24, 2022 14:42:26 GMT
Funnily enough she was someone I said I wouldn't mind seeing again before DAI came out. Then, whilst she wasn't actually in the game, she did feature in the War Table mission and, as you say, the fact that she is alive and involved with that organisation could allow her to be brought back without seeming totally out of place. I'm still wondering if they are going to have a floating base of operations this time round. If that were the case, then I can see Isabella supplying the ship and crew. As you point out, she was only a minor character in DAO and DAMP hardly counts when it comes to over exposure because many people never played that, so I would have less objection to seeing Isabella again than I would Varric, but not as a companion, or only on a temporary basis, like Morrigan in DAI. Josephine could be the one who supplies the ship and crew instead of Isabela. Isabela would be Captain of the ship to lead the crew making sure the goods are delivered to the destination.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Aug 26, 2022 19:52:51 GMT
I won't mind if I never see Merrill again but considering how Elven DA4 will probably be I wouldn't be surprised if she does show up. Ugh she was annoying.
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Post by smilesja on Aug 28, 2022 6:12:32 GMT
Looks like a lot of hate for DA2 characters.
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Post by Heimdall on Aug 28, 2022 14:37:44 GMT
I honestly want to minimize the returning cast a bit. I’d prefer more focus on new characters or expanding minor characters.
Some characters I do accept and even want to see as big players: Dorian and Solas mostly.
I don’t have much of a need for even a cameo from the likes of Fenris or Isabella. Even Varric I could do without. Leliana I’ll be happy to finally see gone.
Not that I dislike these characters, I’m just more interested in new characters than contriving reasons for these characters to appear in Tevinter.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 28, 2022 16:39:35 GMT
Looks like a lot of hate for DA2 characters. Hate? For the abomination calling itself Anders and the stupid elf for a making a deal with a demon, yes. The rest of the characters are ok. My favorites are Aveline, Meredith, Isabela and the Talking man.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 28, 2022 17:36:11 GMT
If Isabela is our ship captain / admiral of our player home well i would say that she is more like Leliana or Cullen in DAI than Morrigan. I was thinking more along the lines of her joining us for one of our missions. I know Leliana did show up at Redcliffe Castle and Cullen had some cut scene action but Morrigan accompanied us for the whole of the ToM section, so was definitely a temporary companion for part of the game as well as hanging out at our base where we could dialogue as was the case with the other two.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 28, 2022 17:40:03 GMT
Josephine could be the one who supplies the ship and crew instead of Isabela. That is true and she could even be on board, although I think she usually directs operations from the shore. However, I was talking about being in charge of the base and possibly taking part in a mission as a temporary companion, which Josephine wouldn't. Of course, if we should end up travelling to Antiva then I shall be really disappointed if we don't meet up with Josephine at some point. She would seem the ideal person to be our contact in that country.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Aug 28, 2022 18:08:21 GMT
Looks like a lot of hate for DA2 characters. In this case "hate" isn´t a bad thing. If you hate or love a NPC is a personal feeling towards this character and for Bioware it doesn´t matter that much. At the end they did a good job in creating them. I think that some players see different if they dislike Anders, Fenris or Merrill they also view them as badly writen.
My point is the DA 2 party is fine besides maybe Tallis (a bit too Mary Sue and hey its just a DLC) and mainly Sebastian who is (before the Anders choice) too bland.
I honestly want to minimize the returning cast a bit. I’d prefer more focus on new characters or expanding minor characters. Some characters I do accept and even want to see as big players: Dorian and Solas mostly. I don’t have much of a need for even a cameo from the likes of Fenris or Isabella. Even Varric I could do without. Leliana I’ll be happy to finally see gone. Not that I dislike these characters, I’m just more interested in new characters than contriving reasons for these characters to appear in Tevinter. I disagree in parts aka to certain characters. Yes i like that Bioware prefer to promote secondary characters in to companions or major NPCs but i don´t think that is a bad thing to explore characters more who we haven´t see for a long time.
So no i don´t a new Arishok character if Sten in a new role could also be an option. Or a cool side quest with Shale´s retransformation why not? And speaking of Fenris sorry like Dorian is a Must to return because of his Tevinter background. It´s the same in making that a DA game Antiva without Josephine and Zevran.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 28, 2022 19:01:06 GMT
Josephine could be the one who supplies the ship and crew instead of Isabela. That is true and she could even be on board, although I think she usually directs operations from the shore. However, I was talking about being in charge of the base and possibly taking part in a mission as a temporary companion, which Josephine wouldn't. Of course, if we should end up travelling to Antiva then I shall be really disappointed if we don't meet up with Josephine at some point. She would seem the ideal person to be our contact in that country. Ah, I see. In that case unfortunately Isabela would make more sense, though I'd prefer someone new or maybe one of Josephine's family members. Yeah, if we go to Antiva I definitely see Josephine being for there what Dorian would be for Tevinter. Not only was she an ambassador for Antiva, but she is a merchant princess. But then it depends on what the new protagonist is doing and how they operate. I just hope they don't ruin her character if they bring her back (not to mention not wanting Antiva at all in this game but the next).
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Aug 28, 2022 20:05:54 GMT
Ah, I see. In that case unfortunately Isabela would make more sense, though I'd prefer someone new or maybe one of Josephine's family members. Bioware still can make something interessing with Josephine in DAD. Why not create a quest around this Trespasser Epilogue line: "Apart from Josephine's sister, Yvette, nearly eloping with a dashing pirate prince on one occasion, Lady Montilyet took the development in stride." ? First DAD needs more unique & fun sidequests and second it would connected the epilogues more with the actual game aka this won´t feel like a fire and forget line just for sake of writing something for the epilogue.
So yeah i don´t mind seen Josephine and her family again and this is the rare case we all can agree on that Josephine is a must for Antiva game. But maybe not Bioware? I mean there was Bella in DAI if she runs the Redcliffe tavern?
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Aug 29, 2022 14:03:34 GMT
There are very few DA characters that I actively dislike, and I don't think any of those ones are likely to appear in DAD. However, after appearing three games in a row I think it's time for Leliana, Cullen and Alistair to honourably retire from the field. I can't imagine why they'd be in northern Thedas anyway.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Aug 29, 2022 15:07:08 GMT
However, after appearing three games in a row I think it's time for Leliana, Cullen and Alistair to honourably retire from the field. I can't imagine why they'd be in northern Thedas anyway. I personal would also add Teagan and may i even say it Flemeth to this list. And Loghain and his daughter Anora aren´t three games in a row but with Awakening its also three appearances and for Queen Anora there is also no reason she would visit Tevinter in a time where they at war with Qunari of all places.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 29, 2022 19:52:05 GMT
Ah, I see. In that case unfortunately Isabela would make more sense, though I'd prefer someone new or maybe one of Josephine's family members. A member of Josephine's family could be someone we come across even in Tevinter. As you say, they are a merchant family and someone had to sail the ship that took those two Crows home in Tevinter Nights. The main problem I would have with any ship that originated in Antiva is how they were allowed round the northern sea passage when it would make sense for the Antaam to blockade it. However, that could be part of the plot. The ship was able to get into the Nocen Sea but had been stuck there ever since, unable to get home, because of the war. If they were connected with Josephine, they could bring us up to date with how she is getting on (or was getting on last time they were in Antiva), without it risking spoiling her character (since the details could have been picked up from the Keep). As you say, they should really keep Josephine for a subsequent game, perhaps in charge of an expedition to navigate the Amaranthine Ocean, so we would start off in Antiva and then take it from there.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Aug 29, 2022 23:48:17 GMT
Looks like a lot of hate for DA2 characters. Well not wanting to see a da2 character in DAD doesn't necessarily mean also hating that character. I love Aveline, but I don't see her abandoning her responsibilities as captain of the guard to faff around Tevinter playing spy vs spy/investigating or whatever. Now if a situation involving armies came up (like a blight) then I imagine she would be leading the kirkwall complement of the Free Marches forces, and that would be awesome.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 29, 2022 23:58:48 GMT
Looks like a lot of hate for DA2 characters. Well not wanting to see a da2 character in DAD doesn't necessarily mean also hating that character. I love Aveline, but I don't see her abandoning her responsibilities as captain of the guard to faff around Tevinter playing spy vs spy/investigating or whatever. Now if a situation involving armies came up (like a blight) then I imagine she would be leading the kirkwall complement of the Free Marches forces, and that would be awesome. That does bring up the point though that they can, theoretically, use whatever justification they can to bring back any prevous character. Obviously the more quantum they are the more risky it is to bring them back... But since Varric is going to be in DAD in some form then maybe he visits the Imperium on a State visit and she tags along as body guard since he is now the Viscount?
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Post by mattjamho on Aug 30, 2022 10:53:25 GMT
Well not wanting to see a da2 character in DAD doesn't necessarily mean also hating that character. I love Aveline, but I don't see her abandoning her responsibilities as captain of the guard to faff around Tevinter playing spy vs spy/investigating or whatever. Now if a situation involving armies came up (like a blight) then I imagine she would be leading the kirkwall complement of the Free Marches forces, and that would be awesome. That does bring up the point though that they can, theoretically, use whatever justification they can to bring back any prevous character. Obviously the more quantum they are the more risky it is to bring them back... But since Varric is going to be in DAD in some form then maybe he visits the Imperium on a State visit and she tags along as body guard since he is now the Viscount? Varric and Aveline's buddy comedy touring around Tevinter? Sign me up!!
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Post by Spectr61 on Aug 30, 2022 17:10:26 GMT
No love and/or hate for Hawke?
It's almost like he never even existed....
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Post by Cyberstrike on Aug 30, 2022 17:21:19 GMT
Morrigan. I didn't care about her in DAO (I found her way too unlikable) and while she's more likable in DAI it was like "Really? Her again!" for me.
Sten. Again I never cared for him in DAO and I found him boring and dull.
I would love to see Leliana, Isabela, Merril, Hawke, Tallis, Iron Bull, Dorian, Organ, and Sigurd return.
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