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Post by opuspace on Mar 15, 2019 16:15:30 GMT
I'm tempted to say I don't want to see characters that already got a bulk of screentime in more than one game like Leliana, Morrigan, Varric and Cullen, yet I'm also reluctant to cut potential plots off as well if they're there.
What I can say I don't want is to see some romances get references or cameos while others are left in the dust because of popularity.
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Post by copper on Mar 15, 2019 17:29:15 GMT
DA2: I don't want to see any of them again, though I love them all. No interest in Fenris? Especially for slave Fenris? No love for Solas? I agree returning characters must make sense to reappear in the first place. I thought Fenris' story felt complete in DA2. Slave Fenris could show up, but I'm not sure Bioware would invest the resources to animate him on frostbite unless he shows up in world states where he isn't a slave too ...I may have forgotten Solas existed while I was typing my post.
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Post by copper on Mar 15, 2019 17:42:05 GMT
As for "making sense" for them to be there, well, anything could be invented about it. Sure, and I liked seeing most of the examples you brought up. I'd still prefer the focus to be on new characters or old characters that benefit from having more added to their story.
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Post by Beerfish on Mar 15, 2019 22:52:11 GMT
The guy coming back = the guy i like least. Also hate the fact that I know for the next 4 years that he is coming back and having a major part.
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Post by Kaibe on Mar 15, 2019 22:52:59 GMT
I liked most of the characters, but I’d rather no one return. Except for the “Talkative man” in DA2.
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Post by Beerfish on Mar 15, 2019 22:53:19 GMT
I would love it if petrice came back. one of my fav characters in DA2. Too bad she was auto killed in most games.
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Post by tevintermageddon on Mar 15, 2019 23:43:47 GMT
I really, really, don't want to see Cullen again (even though we probably will).
I'd love to see other non-imperial templars and ex-templars, but I've had enough of Cullen and don't get why everybody loves him so much. He's like the least interesting templar to me, and I find templars interesting in general. But... not Cullen.
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Post by leadintea on Mar 16, 2019 4:23:30 GMT
I would love it if petrice came back. one of my fav characters in DA2. Too bad she was auto killed in most games. She's actually my most favorite DA character despite her small screen time. I especially loved her causticity and watching her run around Kirkwall scheming her little schemes. Seeing her going against the Qunari in DA4 would be one of my pipe dreams for the game.
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Post by Catilina on Mar 16, 2019 4:41:40 GMT
I would love it if petrice came back. one of my fav characters in DA2. Too bad she was auto killed in most games. Petrice and her kind are disgusting. The one who deserves every contempt. Uses the people's fear for fanatize them and uses them for her goal. She's the paranoia, the zealotry, the terror. To play with people's fear one of the evilest things ever.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 16, 2019 4:55:32 GMT
I would love it if petrice came back. one of my fav characters in DA2. Too bad she was auto killed in most games. Anders and his kind are disgusting. The one who deserves every contempt. Uses the people's fear for fanatize them and use them for his goal. He's the paranoia, the zealotry, the terror. To play with people's fear one of the evilest things ever. Agreed.
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Post by Catilina on Mar 16, 2019 5:00:31 GMT
You changed my text, and this is petty – And not even fits. Pathetic.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 16, 2019 5:01:58 GMT
You changed my text, and this is petty – And not even fits. Pathetic. I was just curious if you would notice. I do genuinely agree with what you said though.
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Post by Catilina on Mar 16, 2019 5:02:42 GMT
You changed my text, and this is petty – And not even fits. Pathetic. I was just curious if you would notice. I do genuinely agree with what you said though. Nice parry!
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 16, 2019 5:04:05 GMT
I was just curious if you would notice. I do genuinely agree with what you said though. Nice parry! I felt like Lexi in MEA. " PeeBee Catilina, don't tell me we actually agree on something."
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Post by river82 on Mar 16, 2019 5:13:32 GMT
I would love it if petrice came back. one of my fav characters in DA2. Too bad she was auto killed in most games. Being killed didn't stop Leliana coming back...
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Post by biggydx on Mar 16, 2019 6:30:58 GMT
Based on this thread, it's decided then.
EVERYONE DIES!!!
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Post by Beerfish on Mar 16, 2019 14:32:20 GMT
I would love it if petrice came back. one of my fav characters in DA2. Too bad she was auto killed in most games. Petrice and her kind are disgusting. The one who deserves every contempt. Uses the people's fear for fanatize them and uses them for her goal. She's the paranoia, the zealotry, the terror. To play with people's fear one of the evilest things ever. Pretty singular for you to say this because you just described Anders. Also pretty singular in that you are a great lover of the mages and their cause and you are fine with the Qunari who chain and sew up the lips of their mages.
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Post by Catilina on Mar 16, 2019 16:08:15 GMT
Petrice and her kind are disgusting. The one who deserves every contempt. Uses the people's fear for fanatize them and uses them for her goal. She's the paranoia, the zealotry, the terror. To play with people's fear one of the evilest things ever. Pretty singular for you to say this because you just described Anders. Also pretty singular in that you are a great lover of the mages and their cause and you are fine with the Qunari who chain and sew up the lips of their mages.
This nothing about Anders. Anders has nothing to do with Petrice. If you can't see the difference then you can't see anything. Oh, I don't have a problem with kicking some Qunari ass – or to make a Qunari rebellion to crush the regime of Qun. My problem with Petrice. She's a poison, a real human "abomination" – her kind is the shame of humanity. She spreads hatred to destroy people's soul. She played with people's fears, played with them. The Qunari is the worst system ever. Must be destroyed, no doubt. But Petrice didn't destroy the Qun, she destroyed the people's soul, who trusted her. That hatred what Petrice spread not only against the Qun, not only against the Qunari people, against everything humane. Compared Petrice the Arishok is a living saint. He at least knows some honour. Petrice has no excuse. She's absolutely lack of morality. By the way, no one hates the Qun better than Anders – but Anders never would side with monster Petrice or her watchdog Varnell. Not mentioned, Petrice sacrificed her loyal Varnell too...
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Post by anarchy65 on Mar 16, 2019 16:36:33 GMT
The way the qun treats mages and dissidents is actually the only wrong thing with the qun. Oh, and the sexism. They can learn with that. And the things with swords. Ok, the core is okay still.
Can't say the same about the chantry, which is rotten to the core.
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Post by Beerfish on Mar 16, 2019 17:22:42 GMT
The way the qun treats mages and dissidents is actually the only wrong thing with the qun. Oh, and the sexism. They can learn with that. And the things with swords. Ok, the core is okay still. Can't say the same about the chantry, which is rotten to the core. Mages Sexism Conquerors and forcing the Qun on all they conquer, you submit or you die Have a select few decide what you are going to be in life
I can never fathom the romanticism of the Qunari around here.
Oh and their leaders (Arishoks) seem to be absolute tools most of the time.
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Post by colfoley on Mar 16, 2019 18:24:59 GMT
Chantry is a million times better then the Qun.
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Post by anarchy65 on Mar 16, 2019 18:46:11 GMT
The way the qun treats mages and dissidents is actually the only wrong thing with the qun. Oh, and the sexism. They can learn with that. And the things with swords. Ok, the core is okay still. Can't say the same about the chantry, which is rotten to the core. Mages Sexism Conquerors and forcing the Qun on all they conquer, you submit or you die Have a select few decide what you are going to be in life
I can never fathom the romanticism of the Qunari around here.
Oh and their leaders (Arishoks) seem to be absolute tools most of the time.
As if the chantry was much different on that: remember the dalish? Yeah. The "romanticism" on the qun is because there is no discrimination nor elitism in the qun. If somebody rapes and murders your sister, the qun will hunt the criminal, no matter who he is. Everywhere else, if he was a noble, or even a city guard, people will turn a blind eye (right, Aveline? "There were rumors, I was going to look into it", sure, Aveline, sure). There are no "lowtowns", no "alienages", no "castless" under the qun. That's also why so many elves join them. Sure, the qun can improve a lot of things on their aggressive behaviour, but their core ideas are quite good. Much better than the core ideas of the Chantry: Bow to the Maker, bitch! Oh, and bow to us, the Makers' chosen! That will never change, because without it, the chantry wouldn't exist. The qun, however, CAN exist treating mages and women better and being less aggressive. Or the core ideas of most countries in Thedas: We are the nobility, bitches, bow to us! That's how it is in the Free Marches, in Ferelden, and even much worse in Orlais. Should I even mention Tevinter? And the Arishok on DA2 was one of the best characters. Seriously, can you really blame him for what happened? He arrived in the city because his relic was stolen. He stayed in the city, never making a move against it, but only sheltering those that came to him (which were many in that crappy city). Then the chantry murders his scouts (which he used to try to stablish diplomacy), tries to genocide a whole district to frame them, murder their newcomer... could you just expect him to passsively watch and do nothing, since the nobility couldn't give two shits about them? He was quite right on his vision of the city, and scowling the nobility. Once he had his relic, he was totally ok with leaving.
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Post by river82 on Mar 16, 2019 20:39:12 GMT
Speaking of the Chantry, mages, and DA2, I'm glad Anders wasn't in DA:I much. Also hope he's not in DA:4. I don't have much to do with zealots, their irrationality irks me.
Anders may be a sympathetic character to some, but to many he's a repulsive person. DA:2's themes parallel closely to the real world and one of Bioware's main messages and themes is what drives a person to perform those acts, but I'm still not moved. One man's hero is another man's terrorist, and while you may be fighting for a noble cause, the minute you start burning cars and businesses in order to create anarchy to fight oppression, the patriarchy, and evil capitalism is the minute your zealotry comes to the fore and you lose public sympathy. Although many who embrace that violence be going "YEAH, that's right, take it to them, destroy that oppression", which further convinces me that Bioware's making games in and for an echo chamber.
There are a couple of important points to make. Anders was supposed to make people uncomfortable, the message was supposed to make people uncomfortable, one might call this an "uncomfortable game". There's a place for that sort of media, it's important. However most people play games after working 9-5 or in some cases 9-7, dealing with financial pressure, family pressure, shitty bosses, shitty work people, and these people just want to come home to escape life and relax. Most of these people would not appreciate this kind of game, especially without warning. "Imagine how it is for others who get no break from being made to feel uncomfortable" Bioware, you're a business that's being asked to sell 6 million copies in the first month, stop pulling shit pretentious street artists pull to try and enforce their POV on the unsuspecting public. Based on the first game and the marketing for the second the public would have expected a pretty clear cut battle between good and evil (and no, despite what some people think mages vs Chantry is not a clear cut battle between good and evil) with an "awesome button" that they can use to relax and kick some arse, with some romance sprinkled in. Man were they ever in for a surprise.
To sum up - Anders can die from a horrible plague, alone, in the woods, howling at the moon for all I care. I'm glad Bioware's moved on from their DA:2 experiment (going by Casey's "mission statement"), even if I have to stomach live service in order to do so. And we never got our "awesome button".
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Post by NotN7 on Mar 16, 2019 21:12:27 GMT
Hehe I would have to say my Mother-in-law She was a character, but joking aside Leliana its time she spent the rest of the wardens life with him unless she becomes the divine, which changes everything.
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