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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 28, 2019 17:20:04 GMT
Because I think the first game is the weakest You are arguing that ME1 is worse than Andromeda. Andromeda has a 74 metacritic score. So you would rate ME1 lower than that. And you, Hanako Ikezawa, label ME2, the highest rated game in the series, so far, even lower than ME1. So if the two best received games in the series are beneath that 74%, I don't think you like ME that much. It seems like to you, they are rather average games, at best, bargain bin price at worst. So maybe don't play those games, if you only have bad things to say about them?
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Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 28, 2019 17:24:21 GMT
Say what you want, but that's the impression I am getting. Also, thanks for the personal insult. I was going nearly a whole day without one. I almost thought you guys didn't love me anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2019 17:30:15 GMT
Doesn't matter though... a remaster hasn't been done yet so, so far, it's sold nothing. The exercise still involves speculation regarding a future event. If, let's say, a remaster was done and Wilson said it met expectations, it still would say it sold more that ME:A since EA's expectations could be entirely different for the two types of releases. You've got nothing but your opinion... and I can disagree with it. I don't disagree with you here. It's true. Since it is not out, it's sold exactly 0 copies so far. Let me ask this, however. How relevant is Bioware today? I mean, beyond making youtube clickbait videos. I think that Andromeda's reception and, significantly more so, Anthem have damaged Bioware's image. By that grace alone, every Bioware game will suffer right now. And we are seeing this across many developers and publishers right now. Maybe the market that enjoyed a huge boom over the past decade is regressing, that is always a case. Or do ythink this is just some blowback from the consumer base for unfriendly publisher/developer business practices? And what do you think can/should Bioware do to survive this situation? More speculation based on your opinions... projecting further opinions on future reactions to games that have not even been announced yet, let alone released... building in assumptions that suggest that Bioware would only fail to make a good Andromeda game and not botch up a sequel/prequel or even side-quel to an OT game. Bioware's relevance today is that it appears to be a company on the verge to total collapse. I've said many times that it's future rests on DA4, not on ME5.
The possible reception of ME5 pursuant to Bioware's reputation, is going to change depending on how DA4 is received and how well it holds up to that reception. If it's a good game, then ME5, regardless of what galaxy it is in, has an improved chance of getting a "more objective" reception than it would like have if DA4 does not hold up as a good game. That's why I'm thinking we won't hear anything about ME5 until after DA4 is released... because if DA4 doesn't succeed by a large margin, they will probably decide to cut bait (perhaps selling out the IPs they hold or just deep-six'ing them). Merely announcing a Shepard-based MEOT game doesn't erase the current feelings of doubt and suspicions that any Bioware game, including DA4, is going to be met with at this time. You're ignoring the people here who are saying they don't want Shepard messed with because that's the level of suspicion they have about Bioware's current abilities to do "right" by him/her.
TL:DR version - Bioware's reputation is going to change, for better or worse, before the actual details of any ME5 project are even announced. Your speculation at this point is simply.. moot... a useless exercise in frustration. I think Bioware should focus on DA4... making it the best game they can.
ETA: PS: I still don't like your proposal and my preference is still to see them do a sequel to Andromeda. It's my honest preference. It's what I'm most likely to buy. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Post by LogicGunn on Aug 28, 2019 17:45:25 GMT
Because I think the first game is the weakest You are arguing that ME1 is worse than Andromeda. Andromeda has a 74 metacritic score. So you would rate ME1 lower than that. And you, Hanako Ikezawa , label ME2, the highest rated game in the series, so far, even lower than ME1. So if the two best received games in the series are beneath that 74%, I don't think you like ME that much. It seems like to you, they are rather average games, at best, bargain bin price at worst. So maybe don't play those games, if you only have bad things to say about them? Do you often use metacritic as the basis for your opinion on a game?
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Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 28, 2019 17:58:39 GMT
More speculation based on your opinions... projecting further opinions on future reactions to games that have not even been announced yet, let alone released... building in assumptions that suggest that Bioware would only fail to make a good Andromeda game and not botch up a sequel/prequel or even side-quel to an OT game. I'm seeing a trend across the board in the industry, that's all I'm saying, but the one we're currently interested in, is Bioware. I've said many times that it's future rests on DA4, not on ME5.
The possible reception of ME5 pursuant to Bioware's reputation, is going to change depending on how DA4 is received and how well it holds up to that reception. That is true and very insightful. If it's a good game, then ME5, regardless of what galaxy it is in, has an improved chance of getting a "more objective" reception than it would like have if DA4 does not hold up as a good game But if it doesn't get a good reception? You're saying that's the end, then? That's why I'm thinking we won't hear anything about ME5 until after DA4 is released... because if DA4 doesn't succeed by a large margin, they will probably decide to cut bait (perhaps selling out the IPs they hold or just deep-six'ing them). EA won't sell those IPs. They'll lock them in the vault alongside Ultima etc. TL:DR version - Bioware's reputation is going to change, for better or worse, before the actual details of any ME5 project are even announced. Your speculation at this point is simply.. moot... as useless exercise in frustration. Would teasing something, or discussing something beyond DA related would, perhaps bolster their chances? I mean, I don't see DA4 being that successful. And I read that the announcement trailer for DA4 in the VGAs was done without EA greenlighting it. I mean, I doubt they could get away with doing that twice, but something not as big, perhaps? Like a Eurogamer interview, or something like that.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 28, 2019 18:01:58 GMT
Do you often use metacritic as the basis for your opinion on a game? On the objective quality of a game? Sure. Whether I like a game that is objectively flawed? No. But people here are critiquing objectively good games as being not just bad, but egregiously, horrendously bad.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2019 18:08:45 GMT
More speculation based on your opinions... projecting further opinions on future reactions to games that have not even been announced yet, let alone released... building in assumptions that suggest that Bioware would only fail to make a good Andromeda game and not botch up a sequel/prequel or even side-quel to an OT game. I'm seeing a trend across the board in the industry, that's all I'm saying, but the one we're currently interested in, is Bioware. I've said many times that it's future rests on DA4, not on ME5.
The possible reception of ME5 pursuant to Bioware's reputation, is going to change depending on how DA4 is received and how well it holds up to that reception. That is true and very insightful. If it's a good game, then ME5, regardless of what galaxy it is in, has an improved chance of getting a "more objective" reception than it would like have if DA4 does not hold up as a good game But if it doesn't get a good reception? You're saying that's the end, then? That's why I'm thinking we won't hear anything about ME5 until after DA4 is released... because if DA4 doesn't succeed by a large margin, they will probably decide to cut bait (perhaps selling out the IPs they hold or just deep-six'ing them). EA won't sell those IPs. They'll lock them in the vault alongside Ultima etc. TL:DR version - Bioware's reputation is going to change, for better or worse, before the actual details of any ME5 project are even announced. Your speculation at this point is simply.. moot... as useless exercise in frustration. Would teasing something, or discussing something beyond DA related would, perhaps bolster their chances? I mean, I don't see DA4 being that successful. And I read that the announcement trailer for DA4 in the VGAs was done without EA greenlighting it. I mean, I doubt they could get away with doing that twice, but something not as big, perhaps? Like a Eurogamer interview, or something like that. I"m saying it's speculation and doesn't matter whether or not I think it's the end, etc. It doesn't matter either whether you think it's the end or not. What will happen will happen when it happens. My preference is still the same. It's based on what I honestly like and I can always still tell them that. As long as I'm being honest about what I like and if everyone else is, the demographcs give them at least honest information.
ETA: To answer the last part... No, at this point, I don't think teasing anything about ME beyond what they've already done - basically just saying they are still interested in making something ME related, would serve any positive purpose. It would serve to further divide the fandom and raise a lot of "I told you so." or "I was right and you were wrong" sort of discussions regardless of what galaxy they teased or what characters they teased, etc. I think there smartest move is to keep quiet until after DA4 is released.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Aug 28, 2019 18:10:44 GMT
Not according to reviews. Not according to sales projections, EA, budget, player/fanbase engagement. If it had, ME wouldn't have been put on ice. "But it was always the plan". No franchise gets put on ice for being successful and doing everything right. Not anymore. It gets milked for everything and the kitchen sink. Ea said it made sales so that's false. Also the reviews are imo wrong as it does what ME1 tried but way better. ME1 is the worst in the series.
EA had NOTHING to do with ME1 it was made and released before EA bought BioWare, Microsoft was the original publisher for ME1 that is why it took almost 4 years for that game to come out on PS3.
ME1 is at best a below average game it's aged very poorly. Here is why: The graphics suck. The combat is horrible.
The Mako is awful.
The inventory system is a mess.
The characters are walking codex entries with almost no personalty the exceptions are Liara, Garrus, and Wrex, the rest are boring as hell.
The voice acting of Mark Meer is awful, now he does gets better in 2 and 3 but I was put so off that I never played as a male Shepard after 2 times.
Saren is the WORST villain in any Bioware game. In-game his motivations and backstory make no damn sense and he's really just a henchman.
The UNC planets are bland and generic. The game has more recyclable environments than DA2.
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Post by LogicGunn on Aug 28, 2019 18:11:20 GMT
Do you often use metacritic as the basis for your opinion on a game? On the objective quality of a game? Sure. Whether I like a game that is objectively flawed? No. But people here are critiquing objectively good games as being not just bad, but egregiously, horrendously bad. Those opinions are still 100% valid, even though they go against the grain. Just because something is considered good, doesn't mean everyone has to like it, you know?
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Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 28, 2019 18:14:57 GMT
I"m saying it's speculation and doesn't matter whether or not I think it's the end, etc. It doesn't matter either whether you think it's the end or not. What will happen will happen when it happens. My preference is still the same. It's based on what I honestly like and I can always still tell them that. As long as I'm being honest about what I like and if everyone else is, the demographcs give them at least honest information. But ... I mean, we're in a discussion forum with nothing but speculation right now, since, at least, nobody wants to discuss my info. So why not? It's what Mac would want. Speculate with Mac's blessing.
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Post by LogicGunn on Aug 28, 2019 18:18:01 GMT
Ea said it made sales so that's false. Also the reviews are imo wrong as it does what ME1 tried but way better. ME1 is the worst in the series.
EA had NOTHING to do with ME1 it was made and released before EA bought BioWare, Microsoft was the original publisher for ME1 that is why it took almost 4 years for that game to come out on PS3.
ME1 is at best a below average game it's aged very poorly. Here is why: The graphics suck. The combat is horrible.
The Mako is awful.
The inventory system is a mess.
The characters are walking codex entries with almost no personalty the exceptions are Liara, Garrus, and Wrex, the rest are boring as hell.
The voice acting of Mark Meer is awful, now he does gets better in 2 and 3 but I was put so off that I never played as a male Shepard after 2 times.
Saren is the WORST villain in any Bioware game. In-game his motivations and backstory make no damn sense and he's really just a henchman.
The UNC planets are bland and generic. The game has more recyclable environments than DA2. ME1 hasn't aged all that well compared to other games from the same time and absolutely compared to the other ME games, but I enjoyed it a lot when it came out. I have to admit I enjoyed MEA a lot more though. I think one of the things about being the first game in a series, is there are always better ways to do things and you don't find them until you do a sequel.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 28, 2019 18:19:34 GMT
Do you often use metacritic as the basis for your opinion on a game? On the objective quality of a game? Sure. Whether I like a game that is objectively flawed? No. But people here are critiquing objectively good games as being not just bad, but egregiously, horrendously bad. Where did anyone say they were egregiously, horrendously bad?
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Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 28, 2019 18:21:56 GMT
ME1 is at best a below average game it's aged very poorly. Here is why: linkI rest my case. Those opinions are still 100% valid, even though they go against the grain. Just because something is considered good, doesn't mean everyone has to like it, you know? But they are opinions and as opinions, they are subjective. I could have an opinion. Tommy Wisseau's The Room is the greatest movie of all time and Citizen Kane is a piece of shit. How's that for an opinion? It's colour, for starters, the actors behave less mechanically and dramatically compared to Citizen Kane, better technology, sets, sound, everything is better. The Room is a masterpiece.
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Post by LogicGunn on Aug 28, 2019 18:28:01 GMT
ME1 is at best a below average game it's aged very poorly. Here is why: linkI rest my case. Those opinions are still 100% valid, even though they go against the grain. Just because something is considered good, doesn't mean everyone has to like it, you know? But they are opinions and as opinions, they are subjective. I could have an opinion. Tommy Wisseau's The Room is the greatest movie of all time and Citizen Kane is a piece of shit. How's that for an opinion? It's colour, for starters, the actors behave less mechanically and dramatically compared to Citizen Kane, better technology, sets, sound, everything is better. The Room is a masterpiece. I'm not entirely sure what you're arguing against here. That because their opinions are subjective they don't count? Metacritic is a collation of subjective opinions. It's not objective fact by any stretch of the imagination. If their opinions had aligned with your own, I very much doubt you'd be trying to demean them.
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Post by smilesja on Aug 28, 2019 18:50:21 GMT
linkI rest my case. But they are opinions and as opinions, they are subjective. I could have an opinion. Tommy Wisseau's The Room is the greatest movie of all time and Citizen Kane is a piece of shit. How's that for an opinion? It's colour, for starters, the actors behave less mechanically and dramatically compared to Citizen Kane, better technology, sets, sound, everything is better. The Room is a masterpiece. I'm not entirely sure what you're arguing against here. That because their opinions are subjective they don't count? Metacritic is a collation of subjective opinions. It's not objective fact by any stretch of the imagination. If their opinions had aligned with your own, I very much doubt you'd be trying to demean them. For the record, I felt ME1 was the weakest Mass Effect game as well.
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Post by LogicGunn on Aug 28, 2019 18:54:36 GMT
I'm not entirely sure what you're arguing against here. That because their opinions are subjective they don't count? Metacritic is a collation of subjective opinions. It's not objective fact by any stretch of the imagination. If their opinions had aligned with your own, I very much doubt you'd be trying to demean them. For the record, I felt ME1 was the weakest Mass Effect game as well. I love all the ME games, but ME1 is definitely the one I think is weakest. I go ME3 > ME2 & MEA > ME1.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 28, 2019 18:55:44 GMT
ME2>ME3>ME1>MEA
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Post by LogicGunn on Aug 28, 2019 19:01:19 GMT
What makes ME2 your favourite?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 28, 2019 19:06:56 GMT
MEA > ME3 > ME1 > ME2
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Post by themikefest on Aug 28, 2019 19:22:16 GMT
What makes ME2 your favourite? Harbinger, Martin Sheen voicing TIM, Yvonne Strahovski voicing Miranda, the Honorable Mr. Rupert Gardner, the Greatest cook in the universe, space hamster, SR2, working with Cerberus, and one of the best scenes in the trilogy, Harbinger and Shepard conversation in Arrival
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2019 19:27:45 GMT
I"m saying it's speculation and doesn't matter whether or not I think it's the end, etc. It doesn't matter either whether you think it's the end or not. What will happen will happen when it happens. My preference is still the same. It's based on what I honestly like and I can always still tell them that. As long as I'm being honest about what I like and if everyone else is, the demographcs give them at least honest information. But ... I mean, we're in a discussion forum with nothing but speculation right now, since, at least, nobody wants to discuss my info. So why not? It's what Mac would want. Speculate with Mac's blessing. Your "info" is speculative as well.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Aug 28, 2019 19:37:38 GMT
I still like 1 the best (as my signature says), but its mostly as it introduced the great world. Lets see if MEA comes now on top of it as I play it after ME1 (didnt continue to 2 or 3 at all this time)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2019 19:46:30 GMT
What makes ME2 your favourite? Harbinger, Martin Sheen voicing TIM, Yvonne Strahovski voicing Miranda, the Honorable Mr. Rupert Gardner, the Greatest cook in the universe, space hamster, SR2, working with Cerberus, and one of the best scenes in the trilogy, Harbinger and Shepard conversation in Arrival Of course, you're entitled to your opinion, but I do feel differently. Here's why:]
Harbinger - Outside of Arrival, Harbinger's dialogue is all trash talk during combat... so that doesn't particular impress me as villains go. Martin Sheen voicing TIM - No complaints there. He does a good job. What I would expect for the price he probably commanded.
Yvonne Strahovski voicing Miranda - Nothing really special I thought. Her performance declined for her death scene in ME3 though... almost as badly voiced as Sirtis' voicing of Benezia. Miranda's death scene overall was better animated and written than Benezia's. Still, best line delivery of Strahovski's occurs in ME3, IMO, with the Deal/No Deal conversation. Gardner was good, but really a minor role to be elevating the entire game on two possible conversations.
Space Hamster - Actually has a bigger role in ME3 and the Citadel DLC. Did he do anything special in ME2?
SR2 - Also appears in ME3. Introduciton scene was well done in ME2.
Cerberus - Also appears in ME3 and, while you can't work with them, you can always express your alignment with the Control idea to Hackett and others you talk with. Harbinger?Shepard conversation - generally the same trash as Sovereign's lecture in ME1. TIM's soliquey in ME3 is better that both of them, IMO.
Other things I like about ME3 over ME2: 1) Less of Jacob (or even none if I choose) 2) James - I think he was well voiced and a fun character. Loved sparring with him and doing chin ups. 3) Meer's voicing of Shepard vastly improved since ME1. Hele's voicing of FemShep also improved over "sexpot" ME2 version. 4) Improved combo usage during combat and improved NPC AI during combat. 5) Setpieces were far more detailed overall over ME1 and easily on par with ME2. Drawback - no free exploration, but that was also not largely available in ME2. Plus in ME2 goes to the Overloard DLC, which did allow for some exploration in the Hammerhead (which was a whole bunch more fun than the Mako to maneauver). I do tend to buzz around a bit running over space cows while doing the Overlord DLC. 6) Showdown with Mordin over the genophage - works well regardless of choice made and whether it is approached using the paragon or the renegade options 7) Whole mood of ME3 regarding the deaths of a romanced Ashley and Miranda including crew reactions (something completely missed in ME1).
There's more, but I'll cut it here.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 28, 2019 22:48:18 GMT
Because I think the first game is the weakest You are arguing that ME1 is worse than Andromeda. Andromeda has a 74 metacritic score. So you would rate ME1 lower than that. And you, Hanako Ikezawa, label ME2, the highest rated game in the series, so far, even lower than ME1. So if the two best received games in the series are beneath that 74%, I don't think you like ME that much. It seems like to you, they are rather average games, at best, bargain bin price at worst. So maybe don't play those games, if you only have bad things to say about them? Yes I think Andromeda did what ME1 tried but better and for the record I'd rate it a solid 90 or 4 out of 5. ME1 I'd rate at 70 or 2.5 out of 5. Also I said ME 2 and 3 were tied for first place. So you are putting words in my mouth. It's my favorite series.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 28, 2019 22:51:44 GMT
EA had NOTHING to do with ME1 it was made and released before EA bought BioWare, Microsoft was the original publisher for ME1 that is why it took almost 4 years for that game to come out on PS3.
ME1 is at best a below average game it's aged very poorly. Here is why: The graphics suck. The combat is horrible.
The Mako is awful.
The inventory system is a mess.
The characters are walking codex entries with almost no personalty the exceptions are Liara, Garrus, and Wrex, the rest are boring as hell.
The voice acting of Mark Meer is awful, now he does gets better in 2 and 3 but I was put so off that I never played as a male Shepard after 2 times.
Saren is the WORST villain in any Bioware game. In-game his motivations and backstory make no damn sense and he's really just a henchman.
The UNC planets are bland and generic. The game has more recyclable environments than DA2. ME1 hasn't aged all that well compared to other games from the same time and absolutely compared to the other ME games, but I enjoyed it a lot when it came out. I have to admit I enjoyed MEA a lot more though. I think one of the things about being the first game in a series, is there are always better ways to do things and you don't find them until you do a sequel. As did I. Now I rush through it to get to the better games. But as I said the story saves it imo.
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