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Post by grallon on Aug 5, 2020 12:34:43 GMT
And now, for the craziest theory of all: the Maker has already returned. ...
I always fancied that Maryden the minstrel was the Maker in disguise. Wherever you go there she is, and if you listen closely, whatever she sings offers insights into what is happening, or into specific characters. Plus, Cole is immediately drawn to her and he's a spirit.
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Post by telanadas on Aug 5, 2020 13:16:54 GMT
Now, we know that these things happen because it is a videogame. However, in universe, how does one explain such perfect timing without Divine intervention? So, the Maker has already returned but He isn't interested in sitting on a throne in Val Royeaux being worshipped, instead working behind the scenes to protect Thedas. This is one of the things I love about the writing in this series, because whether you're role-playing as a believer or non-believer, the story still touches on the concept of faith in a very profound and personal way. I know the writers have said they won't reveal the Maker at all (and I completely agree with the decision) but you could definitely take the viewpoint that everything that has happened so far is a result of divine intervention and it's perfectly valid.
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Post by Mithras on Aug 5, 2020 14:19:01 GMT
And now, for the craziest theory of all: the Maker has already returned. ...
I always fancied that Maryden the minstrel was the Maker in disguise. Wherever you go there she is, and if you listen closely, whatever she sings offers insights into what is happening, or into specific characters. Plus, Cole is immediately drawn to her and he's a spirit.
Oh, I like that theory. It makes me look at all the songs in a new way and we know that the Maker is fond of music.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 5, 2020 15:01:58 GMT
Wherever you go there she is, and if you listen closely, whatever she sings offers insights into what is happening, or into specific characters. She also sings about events from history that are totally contrary to any previous account we have been given. I'm thinking specifically of Mercy for the Elves where she says that "Arlathan fell so deep beneath the ocean floor". Huh? So both Tevinter and the Dalish got it wrong that it was sunk into the ground? May be it was at the time of the Veil and the earthbound bit of the real Arlathan sank beneath the waves. Except how we she know that? Did Cole tell her? Did Solas tell her in a dream? Very peculiar!
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Post by Mithras on Aug 5, 2020 15:41:07 GMT
Wherever you go there she is, and if you listen closely, whatever she sings offers insights into what is happening, or into specific characters. She also sings about events from history that are totally contrary to any previous account we have been given. I'm thinking specifically of Mercy for the Elves where she says that "Arlathan fell so deep beneath the ocean floor". Huh? So both Tevinter and the Dalish got it wrong that it was sunk into the ground? May be it was at the time of the Veil and the earthbound bit of the real Arlathan sank beneath the waves. Except how we she know that? Did Cole tell her? Did Solas tell her in a dream? Very peculiar! Hmm, it could be a figure of speech. Arlathan died and fell into Eternity. Or it could be referring to the Fade's "emerald waters"
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Post by Mithras on Aug 5, 2020 15:44:02 GMT
And now, for the craziest theory of all: the Maker has already returned. ...
I always fancied that Maryden the minstrel was the Maker in disguise. Wherever you go there she is, and if you listen closely, whatever she sings offers insights into what is happening, or into specific characters. Plus, Cole is immediately drawn to her and he's a spirit.
It really brings a new perspective to the songs.
“The Maker smiles sadly on his Grey Wardens, so the Chantry says, as no sacrifice is greater than theirs.”
"Oh Grey Warden; What have you done"
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Post by xerrai on Aug 5, 2020 21:13:18 GMT
Wherever you go there she is, and if you listen closely, whatever she sings offers insights into what is happening, or into specific characters. She also sings about events from history that are totally contrary to any previous account we have been given. I'm thinking specifically of Mercy for the Elves where she says that "Arlathan fell so deep beneath the ocean floor". Huh? So both Tevinter and the Dalish got it wrong that it was sunk into the ground? May be it was at the time of the Veil and the earthbound bit of the real Arlathan sank beneath the waves. Except how we she know that? Did Cole tell her? Did Solas tell her in a dream? Very peculiar! If there's anything to that then I would begin searching for Arlathan in either the Waking Sea or the Sundered Sea. The Sundered Sea just because its name is reminiscent of the 'sundering' of the world when the veil went up. And the Waking Sea because Cassandra said it was the place where the Maker's wrath was awakened (hence the name). Plus its location would more or less place Arlathan at the literal center of the ancient empire so it has that going for it too. I also put forth a motion to call this theoretically sunken-beneath-the-sea Arlathan "Ahlantiis". Which is the closest elven-sounding name I could come up with to make it sound like Atlantis.
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Post by nova on Aug 5, 2020 22:11:03 GMT
Yeah, there's something about Maryden. According to Cole, red templars "hear a different song. The song behind the door that old whispers want opened." This is consistent with the codex entry Whispers Written in Red Lyrium. We are here We have waited We have slept We are sundered We are crippled We are polluted We endure We wait We have found the dreams again We will awaken
These whispers combined with Cole's comment also remind me of Maryden's song Nightingale's Eyes. Particularly these verses: We're blinded, So we're hiding Dying to be We're hiding From the fighting, Longing to see. We're waiting For someone to speak And set us all free
Nightingale's eyes Can free the ties On our hands. Craven master spies— Can they find The key that can unlock the past?Creepy, yeah? Is it the same "we"? Where is Maryden getting her inspiration from exactly?
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Post by colfoley on Aug 5, 2020 23:10:18 GMT
Yeah, there's something about Maryden. According to Cole, red templars "hear a different song. The song behind the door that old whispers want opened." This is consistent with the codex entry Whispers Written in Red Lyrium. We are here We have waited We have slept We are sundered We are crippled We are polluted We endure We wait We have found the dreams again We will awaken
These whispers combined with Cole's comment also remind me of Maryden's song Nightingale's Eyes. Particularly these verses: We're blinded, So we're hiding Dying to be We're hiding From the fighting, Longing to see. We're waiting For someone to speak And set us all free
Nightingale's eyes Can free the ties On our hands. Craven master spies— Can they find The key that can unlock the past?Creepy, yeah? Is it the same "we"? Where is Maryden getting her inspiration from exactly? Correct me if Iam wrong but I am pretty much certain that 'Nightangale's eyes' refers to Leliana and not Morrigan? Granted either way it is an interesting thought. On the one hand though it could just be relating to her activities as a spy master, trying to avoid the fighting, and dying to see...any secrets. But on the flip side it is interesting in relation to the fact the Leiliana is apparently so important to the plot/ world (I mean I know this is in part of a glitch but still the in universe implications of this are...interesting)that a Spirit chose to impersonate her. Which...could be reading too much into it...but if there is a connection between the song and the poem it does raise intriguing possibilities. Of course this whole 'spirits can become people thing' is really a fascinating and interesting concept at the end too. Since it seems at least some of the Ancient Elves were spirits first but since spirits are known to mimic and impersonate others it seems there was an Elven race before which these spirits mimicked. So...is that the origin of the Evanuris? The Ancient Elves? Even dreamers?
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Post by ellehaym on Aug 5, 2020 23:23:54 GMT
Maybe Meryden can be a Lyrium Ghost similar to Leliana if she was killed in the Temple of the Sacred Ashes?
Even if Leliana was never killed, she has been trying to decipher the meaning the ancient Dwarven language found in Tug (her Dwarf companion in her DLC) Axe which says "The Stone lies beneath Orlais." So maybe her actions will lead to freeing a Titan. Although in a way, that already happened since her forming the Inquisition leads to Valta contacting them and then her adventures lead her to being connected to a Titan.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Aug 6, 2020 0:26:30 GMT
I think Nightingale's Eyes = Lelianna's Spies.
As in she had "eyes" everywhere and this is their song.
Hence "we're hiding" "we're waiting" not I'm.
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Post by nova on Aug 6, 2020 2:17:42 GMT
I agree that "Nightingale's Eyes" probably refers to Leliana's spies. (Or perhaps her ravens? A Dirthamen connection?) However, I'm suggesting that the song is being told from the perspective of whoever "we" is. We are blinded. We are hiding. We are waiting. We are dying to be, etc. This "we" is observing what "they" (Nightingale and her spies) are doing closely. And hoping that "they" will uncover the secret required to unlocking them: "Nightingale's eyes can free the ties on our hands - Craven master spies - can they find the key that can unlock the past?" Why would Leliana's spies be blinded, hands tied, "dying to be," waiting for someone to set them all free? Maybe Meryden can be a Lyrium Ghost similar to Leliana if she was killed in the Temple of the Sacred Ashes? Even if Leliana was never killed, she has been trying to decipher the meaning the ancient Dwarven language found in Tug (her Dwarf companion in her DLC) Axe which says "The Stone lies beneath Orlais." So maybe her actions will lead to freeing a Titan. Although in a way, that already happened since her forming the Inquisition leads to Valta contacting them and then her adventures lead her to being connected to a Titan. There's a thought! It could explain Maryden's unique insights and her knack for following the Inquisitor everywhere. I also wonder if that the odd Chanter in the Hissing Wastes might have been a lyrium ghost. (The one that seems to travel impossibly fast to catch up with the party everywhere they go before magically disappearing). Some of the companions suggest she might be just a spirit, but I'm not so sure. Before she vanishes, she tells the Inquisitor, "You have found we." Well, who's we?
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Post by telanadas on Aug 6, 2020 5:20:43 GMT
This "we" is observing what "they" (Nightingale and her spies) are doing closely. And hoping that "they" will uncover the secret required to unlocking them: "Nightingale's eyes can free the ties on our hands - Craven master spies - can they find the key that can unlock the past?" This is such an interesting perspective to think about, especially because she believes her and everyone else's actions must be guided by something divine. I really think Leliana could play an even bigger role in the future and I don't think she was brought back from the dead without good reason. I know she's been grooming people to be her successors and it already feels like her story is ending, but I feel like the writers could use her character and devout belief as a contrast to the whole "the world is falling apart and the god/s aren't real" theme going on in DA4. I recently replayed DAO again because I'd forgotten so much, and one thing that struck me was her the dream she had: I had a dream. In it, there was an impenetrable darkness. It was so dense, so real... And there was a noise, a terrible, ungodly noise. I stood on a peak and watched as the darkness consumed everything. And when the storm swallowed the last of the sun's light, I... I fell. And the darkness drew me in.The theme of darkness and light is constant throughout the series especially in regards to the blight and the black city: And I looked up and saw The seven gates of the Black City shatter, And darkness cloaked both realms.The shadows will part and the skies will open wide. When he rises, everyone will see.Pulling back the curtain. Let the light in. Let it burn.Flemeth to Merrill: No path is darker than when your eyes are shut.While you could argue Leliana's dream was her reaction to the blight or even her own dark past, it could also be read as a prophecy like Sandal's. The "terrible ungodly noise" in particular reminds me of the noise/whispers as Duncan shatters the eluvian...so it could be that Leliana's role will have something to do with the Black City after the veil is destroyed.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Aug 6, 2020 6:20:53 GMT
Jesus fuck please no more Leliana.
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Post by KaiserShep on Aug 6, 2020 6:45:43 GMT
Jesus fuck please no more Leliana. We’ll get a lyrium amulet that provides us with a special new ability, and it occasionally speaks to us in Leliana’s voice.
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Post by telanadas on Aug 6, 2020 7:10:44 GMT
I agree that "Nightingale's Eyes" probably refers to Leliana's spies. (Or perhaps her ravens? A Dirthamen connection?) Further exploring the raven connection because I am intrigued. "When the world was new, Dirthamen gave one secret to each creature to keep." Dirthamen stored secrets within animals, but the creature he valued most was the bear because they were the only ones that didn't betray his secrets to anyone else. Considering Dirthamen eventually had two ravens bound to his service, it stands to reason he would also use them to store/gather secrets, possibly as his master spies. The ravens themselves are interesting to analyse because they happen to be wherever significant events take place. eg. there is a cutscene at the landsmeet to ravens on the roof, and there are also ravens hopping about the battlefield at Ostagar. A codex entry also states "watch for the crows for they have good sense for the blight". Then there are the ravens that hang around the wolf statues in the dales. Now if Leliana was dead in DAO, she turns into a flock of ravens in DAI and leaves behind this message: The lyrium sang thought into being. Now time is stale, and the melody is called elsewhere. Until I am needed. I am free.Assuming Nightingale's eyes are Leliana's ravens, the "we" are waiting for secrets to be spoken so they can be set free. We're waitingFor someone to speakAnd set us all free… free.This could actually tie back into the temple of Dirthamen quest because his followers were desperate enough to bind their high priest so he could not speak their secrets out loud: Our Highest One is bound. The secret that he keeps, he keeps with us The vigil that he keeps, he keeps with us His fear will not weaken us No-one shall come, dear mentor. In our eternity, only darkness reigns.
Assuming the Highest one learned a secret and feared keeping it hidden was a bad idea, it seems like the Highest one intended on using blood magic to unbind the followers at the temple so this secret could be spoken out loud. Solas says "the secrets at this temple have remained unspoken for too long..they wish to be known" at the temple, but unfortunately they are never revealed because the highest one's fear had turned to despair after the Inquisitor freed him from his prison. The secret itself must have been monumental though, considering how old it is and the lengths the followers went to to keep it hidden. Maybe the ravens are trying to uncover this secret for themselves now that they have no leader to guide them? With Leliana as the mediator. I realise this is quite a stretch but this is a thread for crazy theories...and I could get behind this one. Also, here's the kicker.In DAO, there was the Asunder quest which involved a very similar ritual to the one at the lost temple of Dirthamen. The limbs, mere meat. The torso, but a vessel. The head, all but unnecessary. The heart, separate, keeps life. The heart, safe from the blade, can be restored. The heart waits, in the Fade.
–Rough inscription, author unknown
Note the body parts in the Asunder quest relate to the body, while the body parts in Dirthamen's temple relate to the head. But the heart is still waiting in the fade. The scattered glyphs leading to Dirthamen's temple reveals this: The revealed symbols show two ravens. One grips a heart in its talons, the other a mirror.
And a note from the temple reveals this:“ Reveal the heart, unite it with the flame, together they will form the key to..liberation? Advancement? The translation is not clear. I also do not think this brazier is the flame it speaks of.” me rn:
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 6, 2020 8:22:27 GMT
“ Reveal the heart, unite it with the flame, together they will form the key to..liberation?It could be it speaks of liberation from the Blight as you imply with the image. It looks like a pulsating heart to me and both the Promisors and Drakon seem to think the world must pass through fire to be cleansed of evil. "Remember the fire. You must pass through it alone to be forged anew." The lack of any punctuation means the sentence could read as either: "You must pass through the fire on your own", or "Only by passing through the fire" will you be forged anew. There are many different types of fire as well but this is clearly divine fire. It is possible that is why Solas needs to free the Evanuris because only they have the fire needed to destroy the source of the Blight or alternatively are capable of commanding the creatures that do, the Great Dragons.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 6, 2020 9:14:14 GMT
Well reading through all this has officially given me a head ache. Worth it though. I agree that "Nightingale's Eyes" probably refers to Leliana's spies. (Or perhaps her ravens? A Dirthamen connection?) However, I'm suggesting that the song is being told from the perspective of whoever "we" is. We are blinded. We are hiding. We are waiting. We are dying to be, etc. This "we" is observing what "they" (Nightingale and her spies) are doing closely. And hoping that "they" will uncover the secret required to unlocking them: "Nightingale's eyes can free the ties on our hands - Craven master spies - can they find the key that can unlock the past?" Why would Leliana's spies be blinded, hands tied, "dying to be," waiting for someone to set them all free? Maybe Meryden can be a Lyrium Ghost similar to Leliana if she was killed in the Temple of the Sacred Ashes? Even if Leliana was never killed, she has been trying to decipher the meaning the ancient Dwarven language found in Tug (her Dwarf companion in her DLC) Axe which says "The Stone lies beneath Orlais." So maybe her actions will lead to freeing a Titan. Although in a way, that already happened since her forming the Inquisition leads to Valta contacting them and then her adventures lead her to being connected to a Titan. There's a thought! It could explain Maryden's unique insights and her knack for following the Inquisitor everywhere. I also wonder if that the odd Chanter in the Hissing Wastes might have been a lyrium ghost. (The one that seems to travel impossibly fast to catch up with the party everywhere they go before magically disappearing). Some of the companions suggest she might be just a spirit, but I'm not so sure. Before she vanishes, she tells the Inquisitor, "You have found we." Well, who's we? Now that is an interesting thought. It also brings to mind two other thoughts...for me: 1. This almost seems like BioWare would be hedging their bets. Given how changeable their production has so far been I think they have the foresight to realize that some of these voice actors not be able to return in the future and Leiliana herself is getting up there in age (or could be Divine even) so moving onto her legacy in terms of who she is mentoring could also carry on her plotline. (Just like I believe Morrigan/Solas represents with Flemeth/Mythal). 2. It does bare in mind thinking about that she is essentially mentoring the leaders of the 'Shadow Inquisition.' Assuming the Inquisitor does not make an appearance in the next game and Leiliana also seems unlikely to return given the above her spies/eyes and the legacy she is handing to the world could be the mentorship of the Inquisition and carrying it on which means that they...Charter, Harding, the Inquisition itself could hold some great significance to the plot of DA 4. I mean this seems like a no duh statement but on the other hand we have to now consider what exactly that role could be. I mean A. maybe the Inquisition itself will somehow come to serve Solas's plan or B. maybe the Inquisition itself will be the ones to find the secrets to stop him. Also for some reason this whole exchange makes me wonder...Leiliana=Andrastae? This "we" is observing what "they" (Nightingale and her spies) are doing closely. And hoping that "they" will uncover the secret required to unlocking them: "Nightingale's eyes can free the ties on our hands - Craven master spies - can they find the key that can unlock the past?" This is such an interesting perspective to think about, especially because she believes her and everyone else's actions must be guided by something divine. I really think Leliana could play an even bigger role in the future and I don't think she was brought back from the dead without good reason. I know she's been grooming people to be her successors and it already feels like her story is ending, but I feel like the writers could use her character and devout belief as a contrast to the whole "the world is falling apart and the god/s aren't real" theme going on in DA4. I recently replayed DAO again because I'd forgotten so much, and one thing that struck me was her the dream she had: I had a dream. In it, there was an impenetrable darkness. It was so dense, so real... And there was a noise, a terrible, ungodly noise. I stood on a peak and watched as the darkness consumed everything. And when the storm swallowed the last of the sun's light, I... I fell. And the darkness drew me in.The theme of darkness and light is constant throughout the series especially in regards to the blight and the black city: And I looked up and saw The seven gates of the Black City shatter, And darkness cloaked both realms.The shadows will part and the skies will open wide. When he rises, everyone will see.Pulling back the curtain. Let the light in. Let it burn.Flemeth to Merrill: No path is darker than when your eyes are shut.While you could argue Leliana's dream was her reaction to the blight or even her own dark past, it could also be read as a prophecy like Sandal's. The "terrible ungodly noise" in particular reminds me of the noise/whispers as Duncan shatters the eluvian...so it could be that Leliana's role will have something to do with the Black City after the veil is destroyed. Well as I pointed out before singing and music and chants and a whole bunch of stuff seems to be going on manipulating events and key people. Like her dream. I do remember I think a conversation I had way back on the old BSN...or hell maybe it was a Lady Insanity fan theory ...that led me to think that Leiliana was not quite 'above board' and at least the Lyrium ghost/ spirit her in Inquisition had some nefarious purpose. Also worth considering too given the rather low opinion I have of a hardened Divine. The whole bit about darkness and the seven gates to the Black City...wait aren't their seven orbs on the mural...ugh hang on...THERE ARE. There are seven orbs on the mural that they showed to DA 4 and already the suggestion has been made that those orbs seem to be 'encassing' the Red Lyrium idol...entrapping. So anyways though this could be what Solas fears will happen when he tears down the Veil and opens the Black City that the blight will be free to truly ravish the land. Again he is telling the truth, but not fully. Its not going to be the act of physically tearing down the Veil which will destroy the world but releasing the blight in its entierty from the Black City. Which brings us to... “ Reveal the heart, unite it with the flame, together they will form the key to..liberation?It could be it speaks of liberation from the Blight as you imply with the image. It looks like a pulsating heart to me and both the Promisors and Drakon seem to think the world must pass through fire to be cleansed of evil. "Remember the fire. You must pass through it alone to be forged anew." The lack of any punctuation means the sentence could read as either: "You must pass through the fire on your own", or "Only by passing through the fire" will you be forged anew. There are many different types of fire as well but this is clearly divine fire. It is possible that is why Solas needs to free the Evanuris because only they have the fire needed to destroy the source of the Blight or alternatively are capable of commanding the creatures that do, the Great Dragons. Now wouldn't that be an interesting idea? Oh yeah now I remember what I was going to say to this. I think that if the Archdemons/ Old Gods are Great Dragons themselves it suddenly adds another reason why Flemeth would want to preserve the soul of...Razakael was it?
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 6, 2020 11:06:16 GMT
it suddenly adds another reason why Flemeth would want to preserve the soul of...Razakael was it? It was Urthemiel. I'm still unclear how the Arch-demons are identified once they arise. According to the memory in the Fade, the worshiper of Dumat immediately recognised his god had arisen against him but I've still not a clue why that should be if they were imprisoned underground for hundreds of years. Images in the temple perhaps? Which would mean at some point the Old God Dumat had been on the surface or at least had given an image of himself to his priesthood in the Fade. Presumably subsequent ones were identified by the Grey Wardens, who after all are said to be in contact with them. Anyway, for some reason the Arch-demons that have already arisen were identified, so that leaves two remaining: Razikale, the dragon of mysteries, and Lusacan, the dragon of night. Razikale was patron of the kingdom of Tevinter, before it became part the Imperium, and specifically Minrathous. Somehow I think that may prove significant in the future but may also explain why until now the city has never fallen to foreign invaders, including repeated darkspawn attacks during various Blights and the original Qunari assault in the Steel Age. Since to me Night equates with Darkness, I have a feeling that Lusacan may have something to with the Blight, particularly considering that the cults that still worship him look forward to the time when "night covers all". May be Lusacan and not Dumat was behind the whole plot to release the Blight from the Black City. I must admit, if the gods only whisper to mortals in their dreams, how do you know the god talking with you is telling the truth about who they are? Mind you, the moment the Black City was breached, it would appear all the gods fell silent, so that does point to Dumat, the dragon of silence, being the responsible one. May be he and Lusacan were in it together.
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Post by Buckeldemon on Aug 6, 2020 12:18:37 GMT
Jesus fuck please no more Leliana. We’ll get a lyrium amulet that provides us with a special new ability, and it occasionally speaks to us in Leliana’s voice.
Yeah, I'd prefer DA4 not to end with awesome andrastian Ninja-Pirate-Zombie-Robot lyrium spirit thing saves the world, again.
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The ravens are like cats. They are not Leliana's servants or observers, it is the other way around.
Oh, and regarding the Maker discussion above... if "He" really likes music, "He" should SMITE all those chanters right away. What they do is not singing but babbling, and the constant repetition drives everyone crazy. Besides, if that convience creating entity does not fit the Chantry definition of the "Maker", it is not the "Maker" but something else entirely.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 6, 2020 12:35:02 GMT
Oh, and regarding the Maker discussion above... if "He" really likes music, "He" should SMITE all those chanters right away. What they do is not singing but babbling, and the constant repetition drives everyone crazy Unfortunately that is the Chantry's idea of "spreading his wisdom". Now if they were properly singing that might be different. Songs are catchy, you hum along with them and the words stay in your mind long afterwards. Andraste was a "song-weaver". I dare say if she had just constantly chanted at him, he'd have just told her to shut up. Now, I have a theory that he does approve of Leliana. She can really sing. I have to admit that every time I think of Cassandra reforming her order into the New Seekers, I kept help but think of this: To my mind the Daughters of Song had the right idea and then Drakon massacred them. So who was really serving the Maker?
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Post by grallon on Aug 6, 2020 13:29:39 GMT
Yeah, there's something about Maryden. According to Cole, red templars "hear a different song. The song behind the door that old whispers want opened." This is consistent with the codex entry Whispers Written in Red Lyrium. We are here We have waited We have slept We are sundered We are crippled We are polluted We endure We wait We have found the dreams again We will awaken
It seems clear to me that the whispers in red lyrium found in the Fade refers to the Evanuris, imprisoned in pocket constructs behind sealed Eluvians (Cole's old whispers behind the door).
They are there They have waited
They have slept (uthenera) They are sundered (with a part of them stored in the great dragons beneath the Earth) They are crippled (becauseo of the sundering and the presence of the Veil) They are polluted (by the Blight) Yet they endure and wait They have found the dreams again (through the Breach?) They'll awaken
And woe unto the Dread Wolf when they are released.
That's why Solas was so upset by the Grey Wardens' plan of slaying the great dragons. At the end of Trespasser he claims he has a plan to deal with them... But only if he has time to set up his trap. Although personally I think his pride blinds him (again). He cannot hope to survive should he face them alone, even with the added power of Mythal, or Urthemiel, or whatever it is he absorbed when Flemmeth died.
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Post by dadithinkimgay on Aug 6, 2020 16:35:58 GMT
At the end of Trespasser he claims he has a plan to deal with them... But only if he has time to set up his trap. Quick note here, because I believe his quote can easily be misinterpreted. He says this to an Inquisitior that asks him what he would have done if his original plan succeeded and further making the point that the Evanuris would have been set free. He then says, “I had plans.” I take this to mean that whatever he originally intended to do with the Evanuris, he can no longer do due to the Orb being destroyed. He says at the end “It was not supposed to happen this way.” Whatever his ritual is now, he gave absolutely no inclination to reveal his current plans with the Evanuris to the Inquisitior. I find that to be ominous, especially considering that he’s using the Red Lyrium Idol - I almost wonder if he is using it to become powerful enough to destroy them, now that his orb is gone? About the Raven talk.... There is Fereldan artwork on the Mayor's house in crestwood that depicts a Sun in a circular barrier, with a wolf and a raven standing on the outside, opposing one another. We also see a an imprisoned Sun in a Trespasser mural, guarded by peacock feathers, floating in the Fade - or at least a dimension of it. It leads me to think that Dirthamen also has a presence in the Fade, like the Dread Wolf, and are both watching the prison. I can't find the artwork anywhere, I may have to boot up my game to show you guys what I mean. I found it very, very peculiar.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 6, 2020 17:56:29 GMT
I find that to be ominous, especially considering that he’s using the Red Lyrium Idol - I almost wonder if he is using it to become powerful enough to destroy them, now that his orb is gone? If they go with that then he is clearly losing his mind by his own assessment: "Blood magic is no worse than any other. Properly used. But the blight... The blight corrupts everything it touches. Those who believe themselves capable of using it safely are mad." Now of course he could be referring to its capacity to corrupt the user rather than the likelihood of the ritual going horribly wrong but I find it hard to believe the idol is necessary for his plan as something that he is going to use. However, if the tale of the Mortalitassi is to be believed, he didn't need it to carry out his plan but because other people using the idol was interfering with it. Still it is curious he calls it "my idol". Bearing in mind how he feels about blight magic and red lyrium is infected with the blight, so any magic conducted using red lyrium is effectively blight magic, is it possible that the idol was originally just lyrium and then became corrupted later? I'd also mention that it sounded as though he had already started his ritual before he spoke with the Inquisitor. Bearing in mind that he said that elven magical rituals could take years to complete, it is not out of the question that was the case. If the idol did upset the ritual, may be he had to begin again.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 6, 2020 18:10:18 GMT
I take it you mean this one: I'm not sure but isn't the sun/peacock image symbolic of the Golden City now Black?
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